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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently there are two &quot;tanstaafl&quot;s.  I am the one that posts quite often at &quot;jihad watch&quot;.  The &quot;tanstaafl&quot; posting above is not me.  I am not responsible for anything he/she posts.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently there are two &#8220;tanstaafl&#8221;s.  I am the one that posts quite often at &#8220;jihad watch&#8221;.  The &#8220;tanstaafl&#8221; posting above is not me.  I am not responsible for anything he/she posts.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As further explanation, if I am allowed: HINDUS ARE TREATED HARSHLY IN INDIA. 

Even though they are the majority.

Sociologists, government, academia, better understand this, as the US is going in the same direction. 

As Eric Hoffer clearly wrote, vociferous minorities could not care less about the rights of the majority, as they despise them, and will only be content upon their conversion. 

So Muslims in India (about 200 millions of them, the second country in Muslim population after Indonesia), claim minority status (sounds familiar?), many states in India subsidize Mosques with public funds, some pay for Muslims to go to Mecca.

Christianity, not to be left behind, also claim minority status in India, and used the Tsunami to build hundreds of churches, and trickery, deceit, and money, to convert.

Wow, pay attention to this, the old Yoga Vivekananda organization tried a couple of years ago to obtain minority status in Kolkata, claiming did not belong to Hinduism, to obtain government help, but was tuned down by the India Supreme Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As further explanation, if I am allowed: HINDUS ARE TREATED HARSHLY IN INDIA. </p>
<p>Even though they are the majority.</p>
<p>Sociologists, government, academia, better understand this, as the US is going in the same direction. </p>
<p>As Eric Hoffer clearly wrote, vociferous minorities could not care less about the rights of the majority, as they despise them, and will only be content upon their conversion. </p>
<p>So Muslims in India (about 200 millions of them, the second country in Muslim population after Indonesia), claim minority status (sounds familiar?), many states in India subsidize Mosques with public funds, some pay for Muslims to go to Mecca.</p>
<p>Christianity, not to be left behind, also claim minority status in India, and used the Tsunami to build hundreds of churches, and trickery, deceit, and money, to convert.</p>
<p>Wow, pay attention to this, the old Yoga Vivekananda organization tried a couple of years ago to obtain minority status in Kolkata, claiming did not belong to Hinduism, to obtain government help, but was tuned down by the India Supreme Court.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello David:

1) [Miami Man, why then are Christians treated the way they are in India?]

Are you implying Christians are treated harshly in India? But it is the opposite. The most powerful politician in India today, unfortunately, is an Italian Catholic lady named Sonia Gandhi. Alas, India has welcomed for centuries, if not thousands of years, those persecuted by religion beliefs. As such, the only remnant of the Zoroastrian religion still flourishes in India, Jews all the way back to the diaspora were welcomed. However, deceitful tactics employed by Christian fundamentalist in India (mostly American and British), buying conversions, using tricks as miracles, etc, not only is disrespectful, but a violent act upon the poor people they target, often from the tribal areas. Would you welcome someone coming into your neighborhood trying to convert you to another religion, using tricks, money, and deceit? Surely, you wouldn&#039;t. 

So here, you are misinformed. 

2) On the statement by Einstein that &quot;God does not play dice&quot;, is 100% related to the controversy with Bohr that I mentioned. Einstein would not go beyond Cartesian physics in this tiny regard, but tried to introduce a deterministic constant as the information, by being instantaneous, would go even faster than the speed of light, but Bohr postulated, and John Bell finally proved in a theorem later, that the interaction is AKIN TO THOUGHT. We Yogis have called this for thousands of years consciousness. The distance here, for your information, is totally unimportant. Distance is irrelevant in the realm of thought and consciousness. An example, the late Swami Krishnananda from the Divine Life Society in Rishikesh, once told that in the Godhead, everything is happening at the same time, so even now Achilles is fighting Hector, Arjuna is being advised by Krishna on the plain of Kurukshetra, and the siege of Troy rages on. 

3) It would be a mistake to call Buddhists atheist. The silence of the Buddha can be interpreted otherwise. Buddha was a Hindu, don&#039;t forget. His Nirvana is almost the same as the Hindu Moksha, while Buddhism postulates the return into an impersonal Nirvana, Moksha postulates the same, but into the personal Brahman. Shangri-la was a fictional invention, Elysium, a precursor of the heaven concepts in Christianity and Islam. 

4) Finally, Sanatana Dharma is not polytheist. The many gods can be understood as &quot;lieutenants&quot; of Brahman, Vindu points. Adoring God in an image of a stone in the form of a Linga, for example, does not diminishes God, as Brahman is never spent, as explained in the famous hymn of the Rg Veda, the Purusha Sukta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello David:</p>
<p>1) [Miami Man, why then are Christians treated the way they are in India?]</p>
<p>Are you implying Christians are treated harshly in India? But it is the opposite. The most powerful politician in India today, unfortunately, is an Italian Catholic lady named Sonia Gandhi. Alas, India has welcomed for centuries, if not thousands of years, those persecuted by religion beliefs. As such, the only remnant of the Zoroastrian religion still flourishes in India, Jews all the way back to the diaspora were welcomed. However, deceitful tactics employed by Christian fundamentalist in India (mostly American and British), buying conversions, using tricks as miracles, etc, not only is disrespectful, but a violent act upon the poor people they target, often from the tribal areas. Would you welcome someone coming into your neighborhood trying to convert you to another religion, using tricks, money, and deceit? Surely, you wouldn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>So here, you are misinformed. </p>
<p>2) On the statement by Einstein that &#8220;God does not play dice&#8221;, is 100% related to the controversy with Bohr that I mentioned. Einstein would not go beyond Cartesian physics in this tiny regard, but tried to introduce a deterministic constant as the information, by being instantaneous, would go even faster than the speed of light, but Bohr postulated, and John Bell finally proved in a theorem later, that the interaction is AKIN TO THOUGHT. We Yogis have called this for thousands of years consciousness. The distance here, for your information, is totally unimportant. Distance is irrelevant in the realm of thought and consciousness. An example, the late Swami Krishnananda from the Divine Life Society in Rishikesh, once told that in the Godhead, everything is happening at the same time, so even now Achilles is fighting Hector, Arjuna is being advised by Krishna on the plain of Kurukshetra, and the siege of Troy rages on. </p>
<p>3) It would be a mistake to call Buddhists atheist. The silence of the Buddha can be interpreted otherwise. Buddha was a Hindu, don&#8217;t forget. His Nirvana is almost the same as the Hindu Moksha, while Buddhism postulates the return into an impersonal Nirvana, Moksha postulates the same, but into the personal Brahman. Shangri-la was a fictional invention, Elysium, a precursor of the heaven concepts in Christianity and Islam. </p>
<p>4) Finally, Sanatana Dharma is not polytheist. The many gods can be understood as &#8220;lieutenants&#8221; of Brahman, Vindu points. Adoring God in an image of a stone in the form of a Linga, for example, does not diminishes God, as Brahman is never spent, as explained in the famous hymn of the Rg Veda, the Purusha Sukta.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing, Miami Man, would you expound on the similarities between Shangri La and Elysium, and how both differ from Nirvana.

For by your answers, I can see the polytheism
of Hinduism isn&#039;t that far removed from the atheism of buddhism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing, Miami Man, would you expound on the similarities between Shangri La and Elysium, and how both differ from Nirvana.</p>
<p>For by your answers, I can see the polytheism<br />
of Hinduism isn&#8217;t that far removed from the atheism of buddhism.</p>
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		<title>By: progressoverpeace</title>
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		<dc:creator>progressoverpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;76. MiamaMan:

That 2 electrons, separated by whatever large distance you imagined, could know “instantaneously” the spin up or down of the other, prompted Einstein to say that “God does not play dice”,&lt;/i&gt;

Er ... quantum entanglement is not what motivated Einstein to claim that &quot;G-d does not play dice with the universe&quot; but the idea that particle paths are only described by probability distributions in quantum theory, with measurements subject to Heisenberg uncertainty.  The entanglement question just irked Einstein, further - but that part was not a question of probability invading the fundamental laws of physics of the universe.  Quite the opposite, the entanglement situation is deterministic - though at a distance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>76. MiamaMan:</p>
<p>That 2 electrons, separated by whatever large distance you imagined, could know “instantaneously” the spin up or down of the other, prompted Einstein to say that “God does not play dice”,</i></p>
<p>Er &#8230; quantum entanglement is not what motivated Einstein to claim that &#8220;G-d does not play dice with the universe&#8221; but the idea that particle paths are only described by probability distributions in quantum theory, with measurements subject to Heisenberg uncertainty.  The entanglement question just irked Einstein, further &#8211; but that part was not a question of probability invading the fundamental laws of physics of the universe.  Quite the opposite, the entanglement situation is deterministic &#8211; though at a distance.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is something else to keep in mind: there is safety in numbers.  Those who stand out are viewed as a nail, and a hammer is needed to deal
with that.  Take a look at this by Mark Steyn from earlier this year: http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/21/monday-the-president-ate-a-burger/print/

Miami Man, why then are Christians treated the way they are in India?  It is one thing to come up with a wonderful document, like the constitution of the Soviet Union, but there is more to it.  For the hospitality extended to Yogi&#039;s in countries based upon the Judeo-Christian ethic is different than what Christians receive in the sub-continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something else to keep in mind: there is safety in numbers.  Those who stand out are viewed as a nail, and a hammer is needed to deal<br />
with that.  Take a look at this by Mark Steyn from earlier this year: <a href="http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/21/monday-the-president-ate-a-burger/print/" rel="nofollow">http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/21/monday-the-president-ate-a-burger/print/</a></p>
<p>Miami Man, why then are Christians treated the way they are in India?  It is one thing to come up with a wonderful document, like the constitution of the Soviet Union, but there is more to it.  For the hospitality extended to Yogi&#8217;s in countries based upon the Judeo-Christian ethic is different than what Christians receive in the sub-continent.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>75. David W. Lincoln:

David, why do I have to look at all these odd books your are recommending? 

Now, you finally wrote something important: [The indefinable is real.]

This is at the core of the famous controversy between Einstein and Bohr in the 1920&#039;s. Einstein could not leave, finally, Descartes behind. That 2 electrons, separated by whatever large distance you imagined, could know &quot;instantaneously&quot; the spin up or down of the other, prompted Einstein to say that &quot;God does not play dice&quot;, but the reality, Bohr argued, showed otherwise, the reality is that the electrons are interconnected, and this &quot;undefinable&quot; fact, is Reality.

Now, we Yogis have known this all along, we were trained in this Satchidananda connection. Finally, Bishop Berkeley was right, Paul Brunton was right. 

Yes, OK, what you accomplished, or I accomplished, is not up to anyone, as everything is interconnected. This is Reality, Rta is a manifestation of it. 

Impoverishing is also relative, from your Western mine-frame. Rta never abandoned India. Actually, the Mother never abandoned India, the last refuge of feminism, while in the West we raped the Earth. Of course, after Francis Bacon told us to, Newton corroborated it, and Descartes explained it, finally Darwin applied it to living things. Yang, Yang, Yang, very dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>75. David W. Lincoln:</p>
<p>David, why do I have to look at all these odd books your are recommending? </p>
<p>Now, you finally wrote something important: [The indefinable is real.]</p>
<p>This is at the core of the famous controversy between Einstein and Bohr in the 1920&#8242;s. Einstein could not leave, finally, Descartes behind. That 2 electrons, separated by whatever large distance you imagined, could know &#8220;instantaneously&#8221; the spin up or down of the other, prompted Einstein to say that &#8220;God does not play dice&#8221;, but the reality, Bohr argued, showed otherwise, the reality is that the electrons are interconnected, and this &#8220;undefinable&#8221; fact, is Reality.</p>
<p>Now, we Yogis have known this all along, we were trained in this Satchidananda connection. Finally, Bishop Berkeley was right, Paul Brunton was right. </p>
<p>Yes, OK, what you accomplished, or I accomplished, is not up to anyone, as everything is interconnected. This is Reality, Rta is a manifestation of it. </p>
<p>Impoverishing is also relative, from your Western mine-frame. Rta never abandoned India. Actually, the Mother never abandoned India, the last refuge of feminism, while in the West we raped the Earth. Of course, after Francis Bacon told us to, Newton corroborated it, and Descartes explained it, finally Darwin applied it to living things. Yang, Yang, Yang, very dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miami Man:

You&#039;re still giving too much credence to Antonio Gramsci.  I suggest that you also take a look at, &quot;Jews, God &amp; History&quot; by Max Dimont.  The indefinable is real.  Plus, what I accomplish isn&#039;t just up to me, but also what the Rta pointed to.  Which speaks to the impoverishing of the culture of India when the Rta was jettisoned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miami Man:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re still giving too much credence to Antonio Gramsci.  I suggest that you also take a look at, &#8220;Jews, God &amp; History&#8221; by Max Dimont.  The indefinable is real.  Plus, what I accomplish isn&#8217;t just up to me, but also what the Rta pointed to.  Which speaks to the impoverishing of the culture of India when the Rta was jettisoned.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>73. David W. Lincoln:

Thanks David. I rarely read those tomes. 

Since you insist on gibberish, allow me a quote from the Mundaka Upanishad. Part I, 3,4,5. 

&quot;What is that by knowing which all is known? He replied: The illumined sages say Knowledge is twofold, higher and lower. The study of the Vedas, linguistics, rituals, astronomy, and all the arts can be called lower knowledge. The higher is that which leads to Self-realization&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>73. David W. Lincoln:</p>
<p>Thanks David. I rarely read those tomes. </p>
<p>Since you insist on gibberish, allow me a quote from the Mundaka Upanishad. Part I, 3,4,5. </p>
<p>&#8220;What is that by knowing which all is known? He replied: The illumined sages say Knowledge is twofold, higher and lower. The study of the Vedas, linguistics, rituals, astronomy, and all the arts can be called lower knowledge. The higher is that which leads to Self-realization&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miami Man, take a look at &quot;Bias&quot; and &quot;Arrogance&quot; by Bernard Goldberg, and &quot;The Abolition of Man&quot; by C.S. Lewis.  In those books we find profound blind spots by those who base their assessments on what is going on, by what is going on.  In other words, an abandonment of a fixed point that does not change, because they know full well that it is
by that fixed point that they will be assessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miami Man, take a look at &#8220;Bias&#8221; and &#8220;Arrogance&#8221; by Bernard Goldberg, and &#8220;The Abolition of Man&#8221; by C.S. Lewis.  In those books we find profound blind spots by those who base their assessments on what is going on, by what is going on.  In other words, an abandonment of a fixed point that does not change, because they know full well that it is<br />
by that fixed point that they will be assessed.</p>
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