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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David W. Lincoln:

Dear Lincol:

[You have reduced your humanity by being a man without a chest. For not everything about life is definable.]

Excuse me...

[As for the misfortunes India has suffered, call it compensation for what it has tolerated
and perpetrated.]

Please enlighten us about perpetration. 

[After all, what was dished out by Indians before the Mughals and Muslims dished out those things you demonized?]

Very interesting, you verily a scholar, scholarship grammar school...arssship. Demonize you, demonize me. 

Liconly...your friend, aufruf an das deutsche volk....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David W. Lincoln:</p>
<p>Dear Lincol:</p>
<p>[You have reduced your humanity by being a man without a chest. For not everything about life is definable.]</p>
<p>Excuse me&#8230;</p>
<p>[As for the misfortunes India has suffered, call it compensation for what it has tolerated<br />
and perpetrated.]</p>
<p>Please enlighten us about perpetration. </p>
<p>[After all, what was dished out by Indians before the Mughals and Muslims dished out those things you demonized?]</p>
<p>Very interesting, you verily a scholar, scholarship grammar school&#8230;arssship. Demonize you, demonize me. </p>
<p>Liconly&#8230;your friend, aufruf an das deutsche volk&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/09/22/nonie-darwish-under-fire-today/#comment-16774</link>
		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miami Man, do you really need to have everything laid out for you, so that others do the work and you receive the benefit?  Click this url:http://www.georgejonas.ca/recent_writing.cfm?id=772
so that you can read for yourself what happens when property rights for the Dar al Harb are not protected at all.  So, given that property rights are evidence that the earthly king has limitations to his power, and this had to come from something, or somewhere, you are fighting a losing battle in
saying there is no connection between monotheism and property rights.  

You have reduced your humanity by being a man without a chest.  For not everything about life is definable.

As for the misfortunes India has suffered, call it compensation for what it has tolerated
and perpetrated.  

After all, what was dished out by Indians before the Mughals and Muslims dished out those things you demonized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miami Man, do you really need to have everything laid out for you, so that others do the work and you receive the benefit?  Click this url:<a href="http://www.georgejonas.ca/recent_writing.cfm?id=772" rel="nofollow">http://www.georgejonas.ca/recent_writing.cfm?id=772</a><br />
so that you can read for yourself what happens when property rights for the Dar al Harb are not protected at all.  So, given that property rights are evidence that the earthly king has limitations to his power, and this had to come from something, or somewhere, you are fighting a losing battle in<br />
saying there is no connection between monotheism and property rights.  </p>
<p>You have reduced your humanity by being a man without a chest.  For not everything about life is definable.</p>
<p>As for the misfortunes India has suffered, call it compensation for what it has tolerated<br />
and perpetrated.  </p>
<p>After all, what was dished out by Indians before the Mughals and Muslims dished out those things you demonized?</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/09/22/nonie-darwish-under-fire-today/#comment-16737</link>
		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>28. David W. Lincoln:

&quot;Miami Man, you are employing selective vision. Take a closer look in Hebrew at the Ten Commandments, and you will find that what is translated into “You shall have no other Gods before me” is better translated into “You shall have no other authorities before me”.

Still nothing to do with polytheism and monotheism. You push the arguyment without any base. 

[As for what India has put up with regarding Muslims, what about the caste system that saw
British traders eventually deal with Parsi’s, rather than continue with the Hindi’s because those of one caste could only deal with others
of the same caste, and this extended to the handling of dishes. A Brahmin would not pass a plate to someone of another caste. So, what
you had to say about what India cuts very little ice.]

Apparently, according to your view, the caste system, which I agree is an abomination, justifies the tremendous crimes committed by the Mughals and Muslims in occupied India. Wow, great thinking and feeling. The Indian had it coming, right? Some type of Karma?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>28. David W. Lincoln:</p>
<p>&#8220;Miami Man, you are employing selective vision. Take a closer look in Hebrew at the Ten Commandments, and you will find that what is translated into “You shall have no other Gods before me” is better translated into “You shall have no other authorities before me”.</p>
<p>Still nothing to do with polytheism and monotheism. You push the arguyment without any base. </p>
<p>[As for what India has put up with regarding Muslims, what about the caste system that saw<br />
British traders eventually deal with Parsi’s, rather than continue with the Hindi’s because those of one caste could only deal with others<br />
of the same caste, and this extended to the handling of dishes. A Brahmin would not pass a plate to someone of another caste. So, what<br />
you had to say about what India cuts very little ice.]</p>
<p>Apparently, according to your view, the caste system, which I agree is an abomination, justifies the tremendous crimes committed by the Mughals and Muslims in occupied India. Wow, great thinking and feeling. The Indian had it coming, right? Some type of Karma?</p>
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		<title>By: logos1j1</title>
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		<dc:creator>logos1j1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18 MiamaMan
Hinduism is neither polytheistic nor monotheistic: it is pantheistic.  There is a qualitative difference between saying, &quot;God is One,&quot; and saying, &quot;There is one God.&quot;  In Christianity, Judaism and Islam we say the latter.  We are not God, or gods, or little sparks of God - we are His creation, He is the Creator.  Hinduism says the first, as you quoted.  It means God is everything and everything is God, all differences are but illusions - the snake and the rope illustration - i.e. pantheism.  But in practice it is indeed polytheistic and idolatrous.  How can you say it isn&#039;t polytheistic?  There are so many gods in the Hindu pantheon the religion itself acknowledges they are uncountable!  How can you say it isn&#039;t idolatrous?  There are so many idols on Hindu temples it disturbs the mind to look at them!

Indeed the Muslims have oppressed the Hindus much more than other groups, but only because they were able to.  Christians have indeed forgotten their Byzantine past and their Chaldean, Maronite and Coptic brethren who still live in persecution and fear to this day.  The Muslims do this not because there are a few wackos in their midst scaring them into doing it but because the Koran tells them to.  The problem with Islam is not the interpretation  of sharia or &quot;fundamentalism&quot;: the problem with Islam is the Koran.

I don&#039;t understand this tendency to deny the obvious tenets of one&#039;s belief system.  The Koran teaches that everyone must convert or die.  Hinduism is pantheistic and idolatrous.  If you don&#039;t believe that abandon the religion.  If you retain the religion admit what it is.  Why say it is something other than what it is?  Do you think the rest of us are idiots and can&#039;t read?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18 MiamaMan<br />
Hinduism is neither polytheistic nor monotheistic: it is pantheistic.  There is a qualitative difference between saying, &#8220;God is One,&#8221; and saying, &#8220;There is one God.&#8221;  In Christianity, Judaism and Islam we say the latter.  We are not God, or gods, or little sparks of God &#8211; we are His creation, He is the Creator.  Hinduism says the first, as you quoted.  It means God is everything and everything is God, all differences are but illusions &#8211; the snake and the rope illustration &#8211; i.e. pantheism.  But in practice it is indeed polytheistic and idolatrous.  How can you say it isn&#8217;t polytheistic?  There are so many gods in the Hindu pantheon the religion itself acknowledges they are uncountable!  How can you say it isn&#8217;t idolatrous?  There are so many idols on Hindu temples it disturbs the mind to look at them!</p>
<p>Indeed the Muslims have oppressed the Hindus much more than other groups, but only because they were able to.  Christians have indeed forgotten their Byzantine past and their Chaldean, Maronite and Coptic brethren who still live in persecution and fear to this day.  The Muslims do this not because there are a few wackos in their midst scaring them into doing it but because the Koran tells them to.  The problem with Islam is not the interpretation  of sharia or &#8220;fundamentalism&#8221;: the problem with Islam is the Koran.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand this tendency to deny the obvious tenets of one&#8217;s belief system.  The Koran teaches that everyone must convert or die.  Hinduism is pantheistic and idolatrous.  If you don&#8217;t believe that abandon the religion.  If you retain the religion admit what it is.  Why say it is something other than what it is?  Do you think the rest of us are idiots and can&#8217;t read?</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18. Absolutely the heathen gods exist, but there is one thing that needs to be noted: they are demons!  The whole lot of the heathen gods are evil.  Every false god worshiped by pagans from around the world is either a demon or a human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18. Absolutely the heathen gods exist, but there is one thing that needs to be noted: they are demons!  The whole lot of the heathen gods are evil.  Every false god worshiped by pagans from around the world is either a demon or a human.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evil Pundit as usual you bring no lucidity to an issue.  And I think perhaps that is your intention.  I think it is you that should stick to female sex zombies.  They are probably your best chance at finding someone as mindless as you.  Your heaven , their hell.

Your trying to hard to be evil, just be yourself, evil enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evil Pundit as usual you bring no lucidity to an issue.  And I think perhaps that is your intention.  I think it is you that should stick to female sex zombies.  They are probably your best chance at finding someone as mindless as you.  Your heaven , their hell.</p>
<p>Your trying to hard to be evil, just be yourself, evil enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would this differ from an organization such as &quot;Recovering Catholics United?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would this differ from an organization such as &#8220;Recovering Catholics United?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#32 The existence of slavery and other non-democratic arrangements in Christian lands (including the US) throughout the centuries destroys your point.

Don&#039;t try to be a political philosopher -- stick to female sex zombies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#32 The existence of slavery and other non-democratic arrangements in Christian lands (including the US) throughout the centuries destroys your point.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to be a political philosopher &#8212; stick to female sex zombies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26 tanstaafl

I&#039;m not so sure our roots came from Europe because I think the founders might have tried to take the form of rule by the people, while limiting it&#039;s excesses such as tyrannical rule by the majority.  They also inserted a clause of &quot;self-evedence&quot; that all men are created equal, with the caveat &quot;by the creator&quot;.  Maybe this was a way to take what value a person has away from what value another person gives them.  By valuing all humans equality through a Creator, they eliminated a mortal man as ultimate king and ultimate judge, and also eliminated the danger of a system of caste.

I think that what I might mean is that God comes in handy when he is democratic, that is, believes all men are created equal and have a say in their own destiny.

By not associating with any certain God but calling the entity a Creator (nameless) in a generic way, all citizens would be able to practice freedom of faith without adhering to a government sanctioned religious institution.

It seems the Greeks and Romans decided to come together as a group and grant each other equal power eliminating others such as the landless, slaves, women etc.  Not really a democracy in my opinion but a plutocracy.  I don&#039;t think their gods were democratic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 tanstaafl</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure our roots came from Europe because I think the founders might have tried to take the form of rule by the people, while limiting it&#8217;s excesses such as tyrannical rule by the majority.  They also inserted a clause of &#8220;self-evedence&#8221; that all men are created equal, with the caveat &#8220;by the creator&#8221;.  Maybe this was a way to take what value a person has away from what value another person gives them.  By valuing all humans equality through a Creator, they eliminated a mortal man as ultimate king and ultimate judge, and also eliminated the danger of a system of caste.</p>
<p>I think that what I might mean is that God comes in handy when he is democratic, that is, believes all men are created equal and have a say in their own destiny.</p>
<p>By not associating with any certain God but calling the entity a Creator (nameless) in a generic way, all citizens would be able to practice freedom of faith without adhering to a government sanctioned religious institution.</p>
<p>It seems the Greeks and Romans decided to come together as a group and grant each other equal power eliminating others such as the landless, slaves, women etc.  Not really a democracy in my opinion but a plutocracy.  I don&#8217;t think their gods were democratic.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In &quot;Hitler&#039;s dream come true&quot; by George Jonas, various interesting details are found.  One is, Jews are not allowed to own property in Arab lands.  This is an example of the property rights of the Dar al Harb not respected, or protected, at all.  Which flies in the face of Muslims claiming to be monotheist.  For the structure of monotheism is that there is one source for everything, one ultimate arbiter, one authority.  There are examples in the Old and New Testament of prophets thundering against the rulers allowing, or perpetrating, double standards where the powerful profit from the misery of those not powerful.

Plus, there is the premise that the victory of Hanukkah is a victory for belief, because the tyrant may rule the realm, but not the heart.

This speaks to the knowable part of the supernatural being upheld by the unknowable part.

Therefore, because the West has done more with its time since the fall of Constantinople, than the Sons of Allah, protecting and/or respecting the property rights of more people, and doing so more often, goes a long way in explaining this.  Plus it also speaks to the correlation between the protections ordinary people have, and how they are rooted in eternity.  Which is something that the Rta would concur with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In &#8220;Hitler&#8217;s dream come true&#8221; by George Jonas, various interesting details are found.  One is, Jews are not allowed to own property in Arab lands.  This is an example of the property rights of the Dar al Harb not respected, or protected, at all.  Which flies in the face of Muslims claiming to be monotheist.  For the structure of monotheism is that there is one source for everything, one ultimate arbiter, one authority.  There are examples in the Old and New Testament of prophets thundering against the rulers allowing, or perpetrating, double standards where the powerful profit from the misery of those not powerful.</p>
<p>Plus, there is the premise that the victory of Hanukkah is a victory for belief, because the tyrant may rule the realm, but not the heart.</p>
<p>This speaks to the knowable part of the supernatural being upheld by the unknowable part.</p>
<p>Therefore, because the West has done more with its time since the fall of Constantinople, than the Sons of Allah, protecting and/or respecting the property rights of more people, and doing so more often, goes a long way in explaining this.  Plus it also speaks to the correlation between the protections ordinary people have, and how they are rooted in eternity.  Which is something that the Rta would concur with.</p>
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