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		<title>By: Crawfish Boil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crawfish Boil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most definitely parents should be held accountable when another spouse murders or hurts a child. If the parent knows about it, and doesn&#039;t defend their child, their FLESH AND BLOOD, absolutely they are responsible for that child abuse. I think the a lesser extent than the parent that does the actual offense, but punishable none the less. I think this woman should be held accountable for luring her daughters back home when they ran away from a dangerous situation. She is just as bad as he is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most definitely parents should be held accountable when another spouse murders or hurts a child. If the parent knows about it, and doesn&#8217;t defend their child, their FLESH AND BLOOD, absolutely they are responsible for that child abuse. I think the a lesser extent than the parent that does the actual offense, but punishable none the less. I think this woman should be held accountable for luring her daughters back home when they ran away from a dangerous situation. She is just as bad as he is!</p>
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		<title>By: logos1j1</title>
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		<dc:creator>logos1j1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>38
Yes, that&#039;s right: Christ left many things to be done and taught by His apostles (John 14:12).  Not all of what He did and taught was written down (John 20:30-31) only those things that were necessary.  He Himself wrote nothing down so all of this was left to the apostles.

Paul didn&#039;t curse women.

But now we have come rather far afield from the central point of the article above and my response to it which was that there is only one moral code for all, whether men or women, and to believe otherwise is to believe a lie and to be morally bankrupt - for then you are left always trying to discover or decide what is right for whom - and that feminism is based, in part, on this lie and therefore is a lie.

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As far as mothers killing their children, look in to the sociological and psychological research not the criminal statistics which are skewed quite badly as I said.  I&#039;m glad to hear that you don&#039;t allow for the kind of disingenuity currently practiced in our courts.  Homosexuality in prisons is indeed due to depravity and feminization not the lack of women.  Monks, priests, nuns separate themselves from the opposite sex and practice celibacy, and many others practice celibacy, without descending into perversion.  This is not how one becomes homosexual.  (I&#039;m not saying I know how this happens, only that I know one way it does not happen, and this is not a contradiction.)  I don&#039;t think any clinical research will support your position.  

I did not say that the men in question were &quot;more like women.&quot;  I said they were feminized.  If you feminize a man you do not get a man who is more like a woman, you get a deformed perversity.  The inverse, it follows, is also true.  Another foundational lie of feminism is that an androgynous &quot;personality&quot; can be achieved because our &quot;genders&quot; are only superimposed by &quot;patriarchal&quot; socialization.  Thus the idea that you can and should feminize boys and masculinize girls to achieve a gender-neutral society.  So sterilize the womb, mock motherhood, demonize men who are actually (shock and appall!) masculine, destroy the nuclear family by any and every means, make marriage out to be slavery, etc. etc.  This  idiocy is destroying our society and will destroy itself - falsehood cannot sustain itself.  God doesn&#039;t suffer fools.  All of this is demonstrably false and in fact it takes a delusional personality to believe any of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>38<br />
Yes, that&#8217;s right: Christ left many things to be done and taught by His apostles (John 14:12).  Not all of what He did and taught was written down (John 20:30-31) only those things that were necessary.  He Himself wrote nothing down so all of this was left to the apostles.</p>
<p>Paul didn&#8217;t curse women.</p>
<p>But now we have come rather far afield from the central point of the article above and my response to it which was that there is only one moral code for all, whether men or women, and to believe otherwise is to believe a lie and to be morally bankrupt &#8211; for then you are left always trying to discover or decide what is right for whom &#8211; and that feminism is based, in part, on this lie and therefore is a lie.</p>
<p>39<br />
As far as mothers killing their children, look in to the sociological and psychological research not the criminal statistics which are skewed quite badly as I said.  I&#8217;m glad to hear that you don&#8217;t allow for the kind of disingenuity currently practiced in our courts.  Homosexuality in prisons is indeed due to depravity and feminization not the lack of women.  Monks, priests, nuns separate themselves from the opposite sex and practice celibacy, and many others practice celibacy, without descending into perversion.  This is not how one becomes homosexual.  (I&#8217;m not saying I know how this happens, only that I know one way it does not happen, and this is not a contradiction.)  I don&#8217;t think any clinical research will support your position.  </p>
<p>I did not say that the men in question were &#8220;more like women.&#8221;  I said they were feminized.  If you feminize a man you do not get a man who is more like a woman, you get a deformed perversity.  The inverse, it follows, is also true.  Another foundational lie of feminism is that an androgynous &#8220;personality&#8221; can be achieved because our &#8220;genders&#8221; are only superimposed by &#8220;patriarchal&#8221; socialization.  Thus the idea that you can and should feminize boys and masculinize girls to achieve a gender-neutral society.  So sterilize the womb, mock motherhood, demonize men who are actually (shock and appall!) masculine, destroy the nuclear family by any and every means, make marriage out to be slavery, etc. etc.  This  idiocy is destroying our society and will destroy itself &#8211; falsehood cannot sustain itself.  God doesn&#8217;t suffer fools.  All of this is demonstrably false and in fact it takes a delusional personality to believe any of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logos, I do not believe that women kill their own children more often than men. And when I spoke of crimes, I was not talking about what any government considers a crime.  I do not think it is better to be a man or a woman, but to be an honest and ethical person.  I am appalled when I see women teachers getting away with a slap on the wrist when a man in the same situation would be charged with rape.  As far as men in prison having lower testosterone levels than men out of prison, if you say so.  However, they turn to homosexuality because there are no women around, not because they are more like women.  ::shudder::</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logos, I do not believe that women kill their own children more often than men. And when I spoke of crimes, I was not talking about what any government considers a crime.  I do not think it is better to be a man or a woman, but to be an honest and ethical person.  I am appalled when I see women teachers getting away with a slap on the wrist when a man in the same situation would be charged with rape.  As far as men in prison having lower testosterone levels than men out of prison, if you say so.  However, they turn to homosexuality because there are no women around, not because they are more like women.  ::shudder::</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when Jesus perfected the word, he was not quite clear enough and Paul had to elaborate.  Yes of course, men perfecting the Word of God.

At one time maestro, women prostitute&#039;s covered their heads and living in a desert climate caused men and women to cover their heads and faces.

Didn&#039;t you hear Jesus say that beloved G_d knows what&#039;s in our hearts and is not impressed with outward signs of piety?  No, your didn&#039;t.

The last sentences of your comments surely do show what is plain to know.  Feminism is not hatred toward men, nor is it&#039;s foundation based on a lie, but has only served to show your hatred and lies.

Men and children?  So many times in the Bible the prophets have spoken that G_d will turn man&#039;s eyes to their children, and you speak as if your love for your children comes naturally from your human flesh and blood, when it is really the blessing of G_d that even made you consider them.

I will give praise to G_d because he surely turned Paul&#039;s curse into a blessing for woman.  Sometimes when forced to be silent and listen, when one finally speaks, one speaks with authority after absorbing all the wisdom of G_d and also all the nonsense spewed by the human haters of the feminine.

You speak as if you have authority yourself as a male to resist evil therefore you have the authority to speak of what is G_d&#039;s decision in the hierarchy of the blessed.  Keep reading.

If you want to counter Ms. Chesler&#039;s stories with stories of your own emphasizing woman&#039;s inhumanity to men and woman and children, please feel free, yet do not insinuate hers are any less true or deserving of note.

Be careful, often what one hates the most becomes one&#039;s obsession and downfall.  Don&#039;t immerse yourself too much in perversion or you could find yourself drowning in it and taking on it&#039;s character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when Jesus perfected the word, he was not quite clear enough and Paul had to elaborate.  Yes of course, men perfecting the Word of God.</p>
<p>At one time maestro, women prostitute&#8217;s covered their heads and living in a desert climate caused men and women to cover their heads and faces.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you hear Jesus say that beloved G_d knows what&#8217;s in our hearts and is not impressed with outward signs of piety?  No, your didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The last sentences of your comments surely do show what is plain to know.  Feminism is not hatred toward men, nor is it&#8217;s foundation based on a lie, but has only served to show your hatred and lies.</p>
<p>Men and children?  So many times in the Bible the prophets have spoken that G_d will turn man&#8217;s eyes to their children, and you speak as if your love for your children comes naturally from your human flesh and blood, when it is really the blessing of G_d that even made you consider them.</p>
<p>I will give praise to G_d because he surely turned Paul&#8217;s curse into a blessing for woman.  Sometimes when forced to be silent and listen, when one finally speaks, one speaks with authority after absorbing all the wisdom of G_d and also all the nonsense spewed by the human haters of the feminine.</p>
<p>You speak as if you have authority yourself as a male to resist evil therefore you have the authority to speak of what is G_d&#8217;s decision in the hierarchy of the blessed.  Keep reading.</p>
<p>If you want to counter Ms. Chesler&#8217;s stories with stories of your own emphasizing woman&#8217;s inhumanity to men and woman and children, please feel free, yet do not insinuate hers are any less true or deserving of note.</p>
<p>Be careful, often what one hates the most becomes one&#8217;s obsession and downfall.  Don&#8217;t immerse yourself too much in perversion or you could find yourself drowning in it and taking on it&#8217;s character.</p>
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		<title>By: logos1j1</title>
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		<dc:creator>logos1j1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>32
The scriptures noted to not speak of women&#039;s inferiority in spirituality or morality, only in authority here on earth: i.e. wives are subject to their husbands (as opposed to women being subject to men) and the church is to be led and instructed by men.  Many have mistaken a tendency to abuse power (due to fallen human nature) with an unjust authority structure.  Feminism is based, in part, on this misconstruction.  1 Corinthians 11:5-10 speaks of the angels in connection with the injunction because as perfect beings they  acknowledge without question and obey the authority structure of the universe; they should be respected as our protectors in spiritual warfare and their example should be followed.  In that day and age the head covering was an appropriate sign of submission.  There are other authority structures outlined as well, notably children to parents, citizens to the civil authorities and everyone to Christ.

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Suffragism accomplished equality for women in voting, holding political office and divorce.  It then ended (at least in Western societies) because it had accomplished its goal.  Feminism rose to prominence and continued precisely because it was not about this.  The core prejudice of feminism apparently escaped your conscious thought by sublimation only; you obviously believe firmly the feminist tenet described above (multiple times by parties on both sides) that women are morally superior to men.  But you said nothing about crimes in 22; your unconscious change in subject shows that you are not really thinking about these things, you are emoting.  In 22 you spoke of &quot;evil deeds&quot; which is the correct category for our discussion.  Crimes are deeds which (whether evil or not) are sanctioned by civil authorities.  Many evil deeds - such as abortion - do not fall into this category.  Many that do are not prosecuted, or not vigorously even when they are.  Our legal codes treads lightly on women for a variety of reasons, and this was perhaps even more prevalent in our patriarchal past than now.  For example: mothers are far more likely to kill their children than men.  Leaving aside prenatal murder for the moment, they are also far less likely to be prosecuted; even when they are the sentences are far, far less than similar sentences for men.  Women who falsely accuse rape are virtually never prosecuted. (About 30% of men convicted due to &quot;eye witness&quot; testimony (often of the purported victim) are proven innocent now by DNA evidence- cf The Innocence Project and the now infamous Duke rape case.)  Women who murder their husbands are often able to pass themselves off as victims - again, the lie that they should be judged by  a different standard.  In fact, in our society women who commit evil deeds are very often able to justify or mitigate them in a variety of disingenuous ways, and this is enabled both by feminism and classic patriarchal protectionism, thus crime statistics are inherently skewed; and anyway, as I said, it is the wrong category when discussing true morality.

A (perhaps) interesting note:  men in prisons have been shown to have lower testosterone levels than the general population.  Perhaps this is evidence that feminization is the problem rather than that testosterone is the elixir of evil.  This is further evidenced by their rampant homosexual behavior which is not at all a result of sexual frustration but only of deep moral depravity - and feminizatization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>32<br />
The scriptures noted to not speak of women&#8217;s inferiority in spirituality or morality, only in authority here on earth: i.e. wives are subject to their husbands (as opposed to women being subject to men) and the church is to be led and instructed by men.  Many have mistaken a tendency to abuse power (due to fallen human nature) with an unjust authority structure.  Feminism is based, in part, on this misconstruction.  1 Corinthians 11:5-10 speaks of the angels in connection with the injunction because as perfect beings they  acknowledge without question and obey the authority structure of the universe; they should be respected as our protectors in spiritual warfare and their example should be followed.  In that day and age the head covering was an appropriate sign of submission.  There are other authority structures outlined as well, notably children to parents, citizens to the civil authorities and everyone to Christ.</p>
<p>35<br />
Suffragism accomplished equality for women in voting, holding political office and divorce.  It then ended (at least in Western societies) because it had accomplished its goal.  Feminism rose to prominence and continued precisely because it was not about this.  The core prejudice of feminism apparently escaped your conscious thought by sublimation only; you obviously believe firmly the feminist tenet described above (multiple times by parties on both sides) that women are morally superior to men.  But you said nothing about crimes in 22; your unconscious change in subject shows that you are not really thinking about these things, you are emoting.  In 22 you spoke of &#8220;evil deeds&#8221; which is the correct category for our discussion.  Crimes are deeds which (whether evil or not) are sanctioned by civil authorities.  Many evil deeds &#8211; such as abortion &#8211; do not fall into this category.  Many that do are not prosecuted, or not vigorously even when they are.  Our legal codes treads lightly on women for a variety of reasons, and this was perhaps even more prevalent in our patriarchal past than now.  For example: mothers are far more likely to kill their children than men.  Leaving aside prenatal murder for the moment, they are also far less likely to be prosecuted; even when they are the sentences are far, far less than similar sentences for men.  Women who falsely accuse rape are virtually never prosecuted. (About 30% of men convicted due to &#8220;eye witness&#8221; testimony (often of the purported victim) are proven innocent now by DNA evidence- cf The Innocence Project and the now infamous Duke rape case.)  Women who murder their husbands are often able to pass themselves off as victims &#8211; again, the lie that they should be judged by  a different standard.  In fact, in our society women who commit evil deeds are very often able to justify or mitigate them in a variety of disingenuous ways, and this is enabled both by feminism and classic patriarchal protectionism, thus crime statistics are inherently skewed; and anyway, as I said, it is the wrong category when discussing true morality.</p>
<p>A (perhaps) interesting note:  men in prisons have been shown to have lower testosterone levels than the general population.  Perhaps this is evidence that feminization is the problem rather than that testosterone is the elixir of evil.  This is further evidenced by their rampant homosexual behavior which is not at all a result of sexual frustration but only of deep moral depravity &#8211; and feminizatization.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>33. Persia:

I bow at your feet!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33. Persia:</p>
<p>I bow at your feet!</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30 Perhaps I do  not know about feminism because I have never thought it to be about women being morally superior to men.  I always thought it to be about women having the same opportunities in life as men.  I was simply stating a fact when I said that men do commit more crimes against other people than women do.  I don&#039;t know why?  Testosterone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30 Perhaps I do  not know about feminism because I have never thought it to be about women being morally superior to men.  I always thought it to be about women having the same opportunities in life as men.  I was simply stating a fact when I said that men do commit more crimes against other people than women do.  I don&#8217;t know why?  Testosterone?</p>
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		<title>By: The New Agenda &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dallas Honor Killings: Yes, A Women’s Issue</title>
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		<dc:creator>The New Agenda &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dallas Honor Killings: Yes, A Women’s Issue</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Thanks to Phyllis Chesler for her article Mother of Dead Dallas Girls Calls Their Murder An “Honor Killing” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Persia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Persia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MiamaMan, your Assumptions on Feminism, right while you are mentioning Sri Aurobindo and The Mother, too, show how much inconsistent you are, and how much maschilist you are. Of course every human Being (and not just) has passive (so called &quot;feminine&quot;) and active (so called &quot;masculine&quot;) Sides, which are both to be developed (but which are still almost undeveloped - maybe because they are still misunderstood -), but this means not that human Societies are based on unjust Principles, like the One which considers Men superior as Women! If you really and verily understood Aurobindo&#039;s and Mother&#039;s Words, and their (essential) Message, you wouldn&#039;t state what you actually did about Feminists (allegedly mental diseased, or sexually self-oriented, and else). Feminism has its own Reason to be, in Opposition to a Society merely based on Maschilism (Feminism doesn&#039;t exist just to exist: it exsists in Order to well-balancing Society, and to promote the Concept and the essential Message forwarded by People like Sri A. and The M.). Possible that One who appearently claim to be a Promoter of Sri Aurobindo and The Mother&#039;s Message, is actually so ignorant about it and its Meaning?! I am shocked: even Spirituality is getting hijacked by Ignorance. God save us! [In these Cases, believing in the Existance of an almighty God - which could solve OUR HUMAN Problems, which we should solve by oursleves - somehow temporarly helps ....)

Evil Pundit: you are that typical Subject, which is usually socialist, which detected &quot;a Couple&quot; of Words, which he/she will use to offend Others (so the Use of these Words is meant). I might imagine which other Words are ready in your Mouth (while discussing), or in your Fingers (while using the Keyboard), to be - meaninglessly - &quot;spit&quot; on Others&#039; Face, like if they were Weapons. Among them there certainly could be: Islamophobic, Racist, Nazi, Fascist, .... In this Case you fullfilled yourself by shooting me with a &quot;Feminist&quot;. Puah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MiamaMan, your Assumptions on Feminism, right while you are mentioning Sri Aurobindo and The Mother, too, show how much inconsistent you are, and how much maschilist you are. Of course every human Being (and not just) has passive (so called &#8220;feminine&#8221;) and active (so called &#8220;masculine&#8221;) Sides, which are both to be developed (but which are still almost undeveloped &#8211; maybe because they are still misunderstood -), but this means not that human Societies are based on unjust Principles, like the One which considers Men superior as Women! If you really and verily understood Aurobindo&#8217;s and Mother&#8217;s Words, and their (essential) Message, you wouldn&#8217;t state what you actually did about Feminists (allegedly mental diseased, or sexually self-oriented, and else). Feminism has its own Reason to be, in Opposition to a Society merely based on Maschilism (Feminism doesn&#8217;t exist just to exist: it exsists in Order to well-balancing Society, and to promote the Concept and the essential Message forwarded by People like Sri A. and The M.). Possible that One who appearently claim to be a Promoter of Sri Aurobindo and The Mother&#8217;s Message, is actually so ignorant about it and its Meaning?! I am shocked: even Spirituality is getting hijacked by Ignorance. God save us! [In these Cases, believing in the Existance of an almighty God &#8211; which could solve OUR HUMAN Problems, which we should solve by oursleves &#8211; somehow temporarly helps &#8230;.)</p>
<p>Evil Pundit: you are that typical Subject, which is usually socialist, which detected &#8220;a Couple&#8221; of Words, which he/she will use to offend Others (so the Use of these Words is meant). I might imagine which other Words are ready in your Mouth (while discussing), or in your Fingers (while using the Keyboard), to be &#8211; meaninglessly &#8211; &#8220;spit&#8221; on Others&#8217; Face, like if they were Weapons. Among them there certainly could be: Islamophobic, Racist, Nazi, Fascist, &#8230;. In this Case you fullfilled yourself by shooting me with a &#8220;Feminist&#8221;. Puah.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30

He (Paul) seemed to imply that men were closer to God so therefore closer to good.  He taught that women were further from God.  After beginning his ministry in full sisterhood with fellow Christian women, he seems to advance to a state of suppressing them and calling for their subjugation.  You will have to read for yourself and decide for yourself.


1 Corinthians 11:5-10 pertains to why the women should cover their head.

1 Corinthians 11:7-9  Says the man is the glory of God, the woman the glory of man.

1 Corinthians 14:33-34  Let your women keep silence in the churches...but they are commanded to be under obedience...

1 Timothy 2:11-14  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to unsurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.  For Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

It was a generalization you made and a mistake in my opinion.  It seems to me Ms. Chesler is asking opinions and thoughts not condoning the behavior of the women who &quot;go along&quot; with the men who kill or abuse the young women and children.  It seems to me that you should re-read the article and perhaps the book because I absolutely do not get any indication that she condones or excuses the behavior of the mothers in these cases, or expects a different moral code because they are female.</description>
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<p>He (Paul) seemed to imply that men were closer to God so therefore closer to good.  He taught that women were further from God.  After beginning his ministry in full sisterhood with fellow Christian women, he seems to advance to a state of suppressing them and calling for their subjugation.  You will have to read for yourself and decide for yourself.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 11:5-10 pertains to why the women should cover their head.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 11:7-9  Says the man is the glory of God, the woman the glory of man.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 14:33-34  Let your women keep silence in the churches&#8230;but they are commanded to be under obedience&#8230;</p>
<p>1 Timothy 2:11-14  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to unsurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.  For Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.</p>
<p>It was a generalization you made and a mistake in my opinion.  It seems to me Ms. Chesler is asking opinions and thoughts not condoning the behavior of the women who &#8220;go along&#8221; with the men who kill or abuse the young women and children.  It seems to me that you should re-read the article and perhaps the book because I absolutely do not get any indication that she condones or excuses the behavior of the mothers in these cases, or expects a different moral code because they are female.</p>
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