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		<title>By: 9/11 was a false flag attack</title>
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		<dc:creator>9/11 was a false flag attack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You obviously haven&#039;t yet learned who was behind it if you think &quot;nineteen Muslims with boxcutters&quot; somehow got the world&#039;s most expensive air force to sit on its hands. Try actually looking into 9/11&#039;s details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously haven&#8217;t yet learned who was behind it if you think &#8220;nineteen Muslims with boxcutters&#8221; somehow got the world&#8217;s most expensive air force to sit on its hands. Try actually looking into 9/11&#8242;s details.</p>
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		<title>By: Harley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 03:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I somewhat agree with muslim women when they talk about girls weaing skimpy clothes etc however I do not agree they have it right when it comes to the burka. When people see someone weain a burka they see a thing. Some burka&#039;s even look like the evil dementors in Harry Potter. There is a reason for this. How can you say that women get respect when people do not even see them as a person? Do you feel sorry for dementors when harry hits them with a spell. When you watch Blades of glory do you laugh when the mascot in a dumb costume gets put in fire? For these reasons wearing something that removes human qualities is not good. The scarf is not that bad but i am not conviced it is necessary and benificial. I heared muslim women saying that it prevents women flirting with men to get what she wants and therefore encourages her use her intelligence. Well that sounds good but if you think about how is the man always got what the women wants? If Islam is for equality as it claimed to be then does that not stand to reason that the women has just as much of a chance of having what the man wants? Therefore what is stopping the man fliting with a women to get what he wants? Why is it assumed that women will use her intelligence to get what she wants if you eliminate flirting, could she not bribe, con, use any contacts, threaten? For flirting to be effective the women would have to be good at it because if she isn&#039;t the man gets angrey becuase he feels he is being manipulated and people do not like that, which is why flirting is usally not a usfull and popular tactic. Also the man would have to find the women attractive for the flirting to be effective. Men are unbeleivabley complex there is no formula for getting a man to be attracted to you some men like tall, curvey, skinny, small, clever, funny women it just so complex. It is not as simple as men like something with tits. Dont flatter yourself that if you walked into a room without the scarf every man will start slabbering over you because that is so up your own bum and also untrue not to mention sexist. Women are great and better than puttng men down men to get repect. It is only fair to be pro women and pro men and trully be equal. Men will not support women getting rights if they feel they will be treated unfairly in the future. Men are can be brilliant. The scarf implies that men are sexual preditors which is unfair, judgemental and not true. Additionally experts claim that wearing these things encourage men to treat women badly and excuse them from rape. This is obviously not beneficial to women getting equal rights. Men will not respect women if women are wearing something that promotes negative feelings towards them. 

That point about the scarfs being eye catching. Ok then, wasn&#039;t it the whole pro women approch behind it is women are so great that they do not need to use their beauty to be taken seriously they will be seen for them not their look etc. So why have I seen scarfs that go with outfits? Designer scarfs? Sparkly in your face scarfs? women wearing scarfs with a face caked with make up? Does that not make the scarf some mixed up fashion item? Therefore this defeats the purpose. When women wearing the scarf say the scarf makes me....... So a bit of material makes you powerful? gives you confidence? self respect? That is not healthy you are puting to much dependence on a bit of material wake up because that is not healthy. It is like the magic football boots story. The boy gets given football boots and told they are magical to make him play better. The boy plays better with the boots on. He loses them or they get destroyed or something and he has to play without them. He soon relises that he had this football talent all along and it didnt come from the boots at all. You get it muslim women may respect themselves or have confidence and feel powerful but they need to give themselves the credit for this inner desire to more than they can be and not material. 

Back to my first point women who wear skimpy clothes is not benificial but lets face neither is the scarf or burka. My point basically being anorexic is not healthy but the solution is not to eat to success and be obese. Therefore I wish some of these muslim women will open their eyes and see that the only options to get respect is not cover head or face or wear bikini there is a middle ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I somewhat agree with muslim women when they talk about girls weaing skimpy clothes etc however I do not agree they have it right when it comes to the burka. When people see someone weain a burka they see a thing. Some burka&#8217;s even look like the evil dementors in Harry Potter. There is a reason for this. How can you say that women get respect when people do not even see them as a person? Do you feel sorry for dementors when harry hits them with a spell. When you watch Blades of glory do you laugh when the mascot in a dumb costume gets put in fire? For these reasons wearing something that removes human qualities is not good. The scarf is not that bad but i am not conviced it is necessary and benificial. I heared muslim women saying that it prevents women flirting with men to get what she wants and therefore encourages her use her intelligence. Well that sounds good but if you think about how is the man always got what the women wants? If Islam is for equality as it claimed to be then does that not stand to reason that the women has just as much of a chance of having what the man wants? Therefore what is stopping the man fliting with a women to get what he wants? Why is it assumed that women will use her intelligence to get what she wants if you eliminate flirting, could she not bribe, con, use any contacts, threaten? For flirting to be effective the women would have to be good at it because if she isn&#8217;t the man gets angrey becuase he feels he is being manipulated and people do not like that, which is why flirting is usally not a usfull and popular tactic. Also the man would have to find the women attractive for the flirting to be effective. Men are unbeleivabley complex there is no formula for getting a man to be attracted to you some men like tall, curvey, skinny, small, clever, funny women it just so complex. It is not as simple as men like something with tits. Dont flatter yourself that if you walked into a room without the scarf every man will start slabbering over you because that is so up your own bum and also untrue not to mention sexist. Women are great and better than puttng men down men to get repect. It is only fair to be pro women and pro men and trully be equal. Men will not support women getting rights if they feel they will be treated unfairly in the future. Men are can be brilliant. The scarf implies that men are sexual preditors which is unfair, judgemental and not true. Additionally experts claim that wearing these things encourage men to treat women badly and excuse them from rape. This is obviously not beneficial to women getting equal rights. Men will not respect women if women are wearing something that promotes negative feelings towards them. </p>
<p>That point about the scarfs being eye catching. Ok then, wasn&#8217;t it the whole pro women approch behind it is women are so great that they do not need to use their beauty to be taken seriously they will be seen for them not their look etc. So why have I seen scarfs that go with outfits? Designer scarfs? Sparkly in your face scarfs? women wearing scarfs with a face caked with make up? Does that not make the scarf some mixed up fashion item? Therefore this defeats the purpose. When women wearing the scarf say the scarf makes me&#8230;&#8230;. So a bit of material makes you powerful? gives you confidence? self respect? That is not healthy you are puting to much dependence on a bit of material wake up because that is not healthy. It is like the magic football boots story. The boy gets given football boots and told they are magical to make him play better. The boy plays better with the boots on. He loses them or they get destroyed or something and he has to play without them. He soon relises that he had this football talent all along and it didnt come from the boots at all. You get it muslim women may respect themselves or have confidence and feel powerful but they need to give themselves the credit for this inner desire to more than they can be and not material. </p>
<p>Back to my first point women who wear skimpy clothes is not benificial but lets face neither is the scarf or burka. My point basically being anorexic is not healthy but the solution is not to eat to success and be obese. Therefore I wish some of these muslim women will open their eyes and see that the only options to get respect is not cover head or face or wear bikini there is a middle ground.</p>
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		<title>By: CC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am a Muslim woman who covers her head, as I have since age 14( I am now 36). I even for a time chose to cover my face (not a burqa just niqab). I have yet to ever hear or meet a woman beaten or abused for not wearing the hijab. In fact in our religious society, woman are treated with the utmost repect my men especially. Do you know in Syria for example when a woman tries to pay her bills, all the men allow her to move in front of the line, do you know when a woman steps on a bus all men stand up and allow her to sit down. Everywhere you go, the man shows respect and care for the woman, addressing her by Madam and offering her a place to sit down or any way to be comfortable. Muslim men I know treat women like royalty. The problems we hear about come for cultural issues, not religious. Unfortunaltey in some households people adhear to PRE Islamic ways which was extremely oppressive. They mix what little knowledge they have of Islam with their cultural ways, and this causes woman to be abused, having said that, this is alot less common than what I previously mentioned about woman choosing to wear hijaab and being treated wonderfully. Everyone I know views hijaab as something liberating, we feel happy that people view us for what&#039;s in our minds and not what our bodies look like. I do not see how a woman bareing herself in a sexual way is liberating at all? Why is it that a woman who wears a headscarf and can have an intellectual discussion with a man at work without having cleavage hanging out, is seemingly oppressed, when in fact I see it quite the opposite? Many Muslim woman feel sorry for women in the west, we feel they must present themselves proactively all the time, walking around on runways with little clothing and posing in magazines like Victoria&#039;s Secret so men can gawk,seems inhumane simply viewing women as sexual toys. Women have intellectual ideas just like men do, the easiest way to do that is place a barrier, no man shall be allowed to view me in any other way. It&#039;s my right, my body and I will be viewed for who I am and NOT what I look like. Hijab is liberating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am a Muslim woman who covers her head, as I have since age 14( I am now 36). I even for a time chose to cover my face (not a burqa just niqab). I have yet to ever hear or meet a woman beaten or abused for not wearing the hijab. In fact in our religious society, woman are treated with the utmost repect my men especially. Do you know in Syria for example when a woman tries to pay her bills, all the men allow her to move in front of the line, do you know when a woman steps on a bus all men stand up and allow her to sit down. Everywhere you go, the man shows respect and care for the woman, addressing her by Madam and offering her a place to sit down or any way to be comfortable. Muslim men I know treat women like royalty. The problems we hear about come for cultural issues, not religious. Unfortunaltey in some households people adhear to PRE Islamic ways which was extremely oppressive. They mix what little knowledge they have of Islam with their cultural ways, and this causes woman to be abused, having said that, this is alot less common than what I previously mentioned about woman choosing to wear hijaab and being treated wonderfully. Everyone I know views hijaab as something liberating, we feel happy that people view us for what&#8217;s in our minds and not what our bodies look like. I do not see how a woman bareing herself in a sexual way is liberating at all? Why is it that a woman who wears a headscarf and can have an intellectual discussion with a man at work without having cleavage hanging out, is seemingly oppressed, when in fact I see it quite the opposite? Many Muslim woman feel sorry for women in the west, we feel they must present themselves proactively all the time, walking around on runways with little clothing and posing in magazines like Victoria&#8217;s Secret so men can gawk,seems inhumane simply viewing women as sexual toys. Women have intellectual ideas just like men do, the easiest way to do that is place a barrier, no man shall be allowed to view me in any other way. It&#8217;s my right, my body and I will be viewed for who I am and NOT what I look like. Hijab is liberating!</p>
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		<title>By: OpinionEditorial &#8212; Blog &#8212; “I Hope the West Does Not Give In”: An Interview with Seyran Ates</title>
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		<dc:creator>OpinionEditorial &#8212; Blog &#8212; “I Hope the West Does Not Give In”: An Interview with Seyran Ates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] met Seyran for the first time in person in Rome at the G8 conference; I wrote about it for PJM here. We bonded. But, we really met when Seyran came to stay with me in New York [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] met Seyran for the first time in person in Rome at the G8 conference; I wrote about it for PJM here. We bonded. But, we really met when Seyran came to stay with me in New York [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phyllis-
Have you seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkxlzTZc48&amp;feature=channel_page</description>
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Have you seen: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkxlzTZc48&#038;feature=channel_page" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkxlzTZc48&#038;feature=channel_page</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Weekly Wilders Round-Up &#171; Defend Geert Wilders</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/09/14/hijab-the-headscarf-maybe-yes-burqa-no/#comment-16641</link>
		<dc:creator>The Weekly Wilders Round-Up &#171; Defend Geert Wilders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hesperado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hesperado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comments #6 by Persian and #8 by Cat are excellent and sum up virtually everything I wanted to say about this repellant piece by Phylis Chesler.  

Shame on Ms. Chesler: She has drawn a veil over her once luminous intelligence, and has allowed herself to become benighted by her encounter with a few charming Muslimas.  What Chesler seems to forget is that every one of those Muslimas by whom she was so ridiculously smitten revere Mohammed, the Godfather of Islamic misogyny.  That by itself disqualifies any Muslim woman from the honor of being a feminist.  At best, such a woman would be a grotesquely confused victim in need of psychiatric help and intensive debriefing for several months from the cult that has so deformed her -- and not fit to be in the movement until she has kicked the addiction of Islam by which she is beholden to the preposterous, outrageous paradox of revering Mohammed while at the same time fighting for feminism.  It would be like a person continuing to revere Hitler, while now supporting the cause of Israel.  The insanity of it alone should disqualify such a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments #6 by Persian and #8 by Cat are excellent and sum up virtually everything I wanted to say about this repellant piece by Phylis Chesler.  </p>
<p>Shame on Ms. Chesler: She has drawn a veil over her once luminous intelligence, and has allowed herself to become benighted by her encounter with a few charming Muslimas.  What Chesler seems to forget is that every one of those Muslimas by whom she was so ridiculously smitten revere Mohammed, the Godfather of Islamic misogyny.  That by itself disqualifies any Muslim woman from the honor of being a feminist.  At best, such a woman would be a grotesquely confused victim in need of psychiatric help and intensive debriefing for several months from the cult that has so deformed her &#8212; and not fit to be in the movement until she has kicked the addiction of Islam by which she is beholden to the preposterous, outrageous paradox of revering Mohammed while at the same time fighting for feminism.  It would be like a person continuing to revere Hitler, while now supporting the cause of Israel.  The insanity of it alone should disqualify such a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Poor Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poor Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telling people what to wear and not to wear?. I can have an opinion about what they wear, but I cannot see banning it. Where would it end?.... Ridiculous people, in any culture, look ridiculous. But that is as bad as their sin can ever be....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling people what to wear and not to wear?. I can have an opinion about what they wear, but I cannot see banning it. Where would it end?&#8230;. Ridiculous people, in any culture, look ridiculous. But that is as bad as their sin can ever be&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#95. Hans Mast

Accepted,

and Jerusalem is indeed a noble sacred place (Al Quds), in the Land of Israel.

For the record, I call it Jerusalem and believe that the Jews have a historical and spiritual right to that city.&quot;

Yes, though it seems that many in the world think they have no place at all, even in the place of their Hashem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#95. Hans Mast</p>
<p>Accepted,</p>
<p>and Jerusalem is indeed a noble sacred place (Al Quds), in the Land of Israel.</p>
<p>For the record, I call it Jerusalem and believe that the Jews have a historical and spiritual right to that city.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, though it seems that many in the world think they have no place at all, even in the place of their Hashem.</p>
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		<title>By: Eowyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eowyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Headscarves, burqas etc. are all about denying female sexuality so the poor men don&#039;t succumb to temptation.

Pretty p**s-poor rationale, if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headscarves, burqas etc. are all about denying female sexuality so the poor men don&#8217;t succumb to temptation.</p>
<p>Pretty p**s-poor rationale, if you ask me.</p>
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