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		<title>By: arild</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/09/03/chesler-wolf-glazov-round-three/#comment-16385</link>
		<dc:creator>arild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janis:
&quot;Quick reply — arild, you’re dreaming if you think men retain virility into their 70s. Sorry, but it just isn’t the case no matter how much men want to believe it. &quot;

A much-needed correction, Janis. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janis:<br />
&#8220;Quick reply — arild, you’re dreaming if you think men retain virility into their 70s. Sorry, but it just isn’t the case no matter how much men want to believe it. &#8221;</p>
<p>A much-needed correction, Janis. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Smith</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/09/03/chesler-wolf-glazov-round-three/#comment-16376</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Islam is a social disease that manifests itself in a society.  The affected society becomes incapable of functioning properly, or moving forward, and wallows in self-created violence.

Leftist multiculturalists allow political dogma to override the facts.

Leftist feminists who allow multiculturalist dogma to override real misogyny in the Muslim only shed a light on the corruptness of their ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islam is a social disease that manifests itself in a society.  The affected society becomes incapable of functioning properly, or moving forward, and wallows in self-created violence.</p>
<p>Leftist multiculturalists allow political dogma to override the facts.</p>
<p>Leftist feminists who allow multiculturalist dogma to override real misogyny in the Muslim only shed a light on the corruptness of their ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick reply -- arild, you&#039;re dreaming if you think men retain virility into their 70s.  Sorry, but it just isn&#039;t the case no matter how much men want to believe it.  Virility drops like a rock with age.  It&#039;s the best kept secret in the Western world.  But if you think that by saying it over and over you can make it true, more power to you.  Let me know how that works out for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick reply &#8212; arild, you&#8217;re dreaming if you think men retain virility into their 70s.  Sorry, but it just isn&#8217;t the case no matter how much men want to believe it.  Virility drops like a rock with age.  It&#8217;s the best kept secret in the Western world.  But if you think that by saying it over and over you can make it true, more power to you.  Let me know how that works out for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Trent</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/09/03/chesler-wolf-glazov-round-three/#comment-16353</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Those of us defending women’s rights are defending much much more&quot; . . .  beautifully put, Lorna.  To defend an imaginary &quot;zone of hotness&quot; draped women purportedly experience with their husbands, using it to justify mass state-oppression of women, is to reduce women to mindless sexual beings with alarming efficiency.  Wolf is the product of a women&#039;s studies mentality that find liberation only in sexual expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those of us defending women’s rights are defending much much more&#8221; . . .  beautifully put, Lorna.  To defend an imaginary &#8220;zone of hotness&#8221; draped women purportedly experience with their husbands, using it to justify mass state-oppression of women, is to reduce women to mindless sexual beings with alarming efficiency.  Wolf is the product of a women&#8217;s studies mentality that find liberation only in sexual expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Eldy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eldy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 13:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything has a beginning and the chaderi is no exception. Muslim men who uses religion to enforce this on Muslim women is because they are unable to coop with independent beautiful intelligent females. I never trust people who say that they are conveying upon us the will of GOD because it always matches theirs own will and desires.

The birth of the chaderi probably goes like this. 

&quot;She had beauty and intelligence...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything has a beginning and the chaderi is no exception. Muslim men who uses religion to enforce this on Muslim women is because they are unable to coop with independent beautiful intelligent females. I never trust people who say that they are conveying upon us the will of GOD because it always matches theirs own will and desires.</p>
<p>The birth of the chaderi probably goes like this. </p>
<p>&#8220;She had beauty and intelligence&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/09/03/chesler-wolf-glazov-round-three/#comment-16339</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has always amazed me is that more people in the free West are not outraged at the basest of degradations under Islam, for both women AND men, namely that none of them can freely choose their faith. That so many are forced into Islam, with all the ramifications that entails for this life and the next, it is perhaps the only possible thing the West should fight for in the so-called Islamic world. Half the people getting all worked up over the veil regardless of which side they are on, may not have the slightest care about the real issue of freedom of conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has always amazed me is that more people in the free West are not outraged at the basest of degradations under Islam, for both women AND men, namely that none of them can freely choose their faith. That so many are forced into Islam, with all the ramifications that entails for this life and the next, it is perhaps the only possible thing the West should fight for in the so-called Islamic world. Half the people getting all worked up over the veil regardless of which side they are on, may not have the slightest care about the real issue of freedom of conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: tmaaf14</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmaaf14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just discovered your writings for the first time when I read your excellent, excellent article about the plight of veiled Arab women in response to that fool Naomi Wolf&#039;s liberal claptrap.  Thank you for being a voice of reason in the politically correct world we are stuck in.  It just boggles my mind that liberals are so pro-Islam, the religion embraced by people who are not interested in any desire to &quot;COEXIST&quot; (like the popular liberal bumper sticker which displays a bunch of religious symbols) but who want us dead &amp; gone.  Yet they deride and ridicule any open display of Christianity, the faith upon which our Nation was founded.  And don&#039;t get me started on the conundrum of Jews who support Democrats who back the Palestinians instead of the Israelis.  BTW, I am Christian &amp; I am very pro-Israel.  

There&#039;s a line from an old Sinead Conner (there&#039;s a blast from the past) which always comes to mind when I hear the latest liberal nonsense:  &quot;They&#039;ve got a sorry case of the Emperor&#039;s New Clothes.&quot;  How can otherwise intelligent people be so blind in so many areas?  How does one justify admiration for truly evil tyrants like Castro &amp; Chavez?  How can an impressive, intelligent black woman like Condi Rice have held a high position in the White House for so many years yet not receive a fraction of the adulation and fawning that have greeted Michelle Obama for doing not much more than wearing expensive sneakers and baring toned arms?   How can someone be so pro-abortion yet want to fight for the &quot;rights&quot; of a convicted murderer/rapist on death row?   How does one clamor for &quot;free healthcare for all,&quot; when not only is not free, but the huge jump in taxes to support socialized medicine is going to further burden the already struggling middle class &amp; small businesses?   How do does one look at Nancy Pelosi and think, What a perfect person to put in a power position, yet Sarah Palin is someone to be reviled &amp; mocked??  OK, OK, I&#039;m getting a bit carried away.  Let me just finish by telling you how much I admire your intelligence &amp; fortitude - keep up the good fight!   Thanks for letting me speak my mind - a freedom which Obama &amp; his czars haven&#039;t eradicated - yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just discovered your writings for the first time when I read your excellent, excellent article about the plight of veiled Arab women in response to that fool Naomi Wolf&#8217;s liberal claptrap.  Thank you for being a voice of reason in the politically correct world we are stuck in.  It just boggles my mind that liberals are so pro-Islam, the religion embraced by people who are not interested in any desire to &#8220;COEXIST&#8221; (like the popular liberal bumper sticker which displays a bunch of religious symbols) but who want us dead &amp; gone.  Yet they deride and ridicule any open display of Christianity, the faith upon which our Nation was founded.  And don&#8217;t get me started on the conundrum of Jews who support Democrats who back the Palestinians instead of the Israelis.  BTW, I am Christian &amp; I am very pro-Israel.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a line from an old Sinead Conner (there&#8217;s a blast from the past) which always comes to mind when I hear the latest liberal nonsense:  &#8220;They&#8217;ve got a sorry case of the Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes.&#8221;  How can otherwise intelligent people be so blind in so many areas?  How does one justify admiration for truly evil tyrants like Castro &amp; Chavez?  How can an impressive, intelligent black woman like Condi Rice have held a high position in the White House for so many years yet not receive a fraction of the adulation and fawning that have greeted Michelle Obama for doing not much more than wearing expensive sneakers and baring toned arms?   How can someone be so pro-abortion yet want to fight for the &#8220;rights&#8221; of a convicted murderer/rapist on death row?   How does one clamor for &#8220;free healthcare for all,&#8221; when not only is not free, but the huge jump in taxes to support socialized medicine is going to further burden the already struggling middle class &amp; small businesses?   How do does one look at Nancy Pelosi and think, What a perfect person to put in a power position, yet Sarah Palin is someone to be reviled &amp; mocked??  OK, OK, I&#8217;m getting a bit carried away.  Let me just finish by telling you how much I admire your intelligence &amp; fortitude &#8211; keep up the good fight!   Thanks for letting me speak my mind &#8211; a freedom which Obama &amp; his czars haven&#8217;t eradicated &#8211; yet.</p>
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		<title>By: arild</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/09/03/chesler-wolf-glazov-round-three/#comment-16305</link>
		<dc:creator>arild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anybody with half a brain, ability to reason and deduce Islamic movement to the fundamental basics of “Al Dar-Islam” knows the end goal of Islam leads to oppression of women.&quot;

Which shows that Naomi Wolf doesn&#039;t possess even half a brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anybody with half a brain, ability to reason and deduce Islamic movement to the fundamental basics of “Al Dar-Islam” knows the end goal of Islam leads to oppression of women.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which shows that Naomi Wolf doesn&#8217;t possess even half a brain.</p>
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		<title>By: bonbon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, arild, stuff it. Anybody with half a brain, ability to reason and deduce Islamic movement to the fundamental basics of &quot;Al Dar-Islam&quot; knows the end goal of Islam leads to oppression of women.  The veiled women&#039;s very presence in those western countries is what makes them &quot;non-oppressed&quot;.  Therefore, the existence of their veil is not only a political statement but one that says &quot;I&#039;m an ingrate and gullible, too.&quot;  

Think I am wrong? Take a look at all the nations who have reach complete maturity or near-complete maturity of &quot;Al Dar-Islam&quot;.  You people are arguing a mute point, fluffing hot air in under the auspices of humanity&#039;s sake or religion dogma, for that matter.  I do hope that women in islam could reach some sort of life without oppression as there will always be gullible people but truly, &quot;It&#039;s the religion, stupid.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, arild, stuff it. Anybody with half a brain, ability to reason and deduce Islamic movement to the fundamental basics of &#8220;Al Dar-Islam&#8221; knows the end goal of Islam leads to oppression of women.  The veiled women&#8217;s very presence in those western countries is what makes them &#8220;non-oppressed&#8221;.  Therefore, the existence of their veil is not only a political statement but one that says &#8220;I&#8217;m an ingrate and gullible, too.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Think I am wrong? Take a look at all the nations who have reach complete maturity or near-complete maturity of &#8220;Al Dar-Islam&#8221;.  You people are arguing a mute point, fluffing hot air in under the auspices of humanity&#8217;s sake or religion dogma, for that matter.  I do hope that women in islam could reach some sort of life without oppression as there will always be gullible people but truly, &#8220;It&#8217;s the religion, stupid.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: arild</title>
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		<dc:creator>arild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salon.com, 5/9, comes out squarely, on..Naomi Wolf&#039;s side:
http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/05/veil_debate/index.html

One of the clever misconstructions Tracy Clark-Fory does in this piece, is to give &quot;equal summary&quot; of both positions Naomi Wolf supposedly had.

But, the lines quoted,
&quot;I do not mean to dismiss the many women leaders in the Muslim world who regard veiling as a means of controlling women. Choice is everything. But Westerners should recognise that when a woman in France or Britain chooses a veil, it is not necessarily a sign of her repression.&quot;

are only 2 or 3 out of 60+lines on Naomi&#039;s part.

By doing this clever manipulation, Tracy can say that Naomi has made a &quot;colossal caveat&quot; against forced veiling.

She has not done so, and Tracy is being dishonest in portraying Naomi in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salon.com, 5/9, comes out squarely, on..Naomi Wolf&#8217;s side:<br />
<a href="http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/05/veil_debate/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/05/veil_debate/index.html</a></p>
<p>One of the clever misconstructions Tracy Clark-Fory does in this piece, is to give &#8220;equal summary&#8221; of both positions Naomi Wolf supposedly had.</p>
<p>But, the lines quoted,<br />
&#8220;I do not mean to dismiss the many women leaders in the Muslim world who regard veiling as a means of controlling women. Choice is everything. But Westerners should recognise that when a woman in France or Britain chooses a veil, it is not necessarily a sign of her repression.&#8221;</p>
<p>are only 2 or 3 out of 60+lines on Naomi&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>By doing this clever manipulation, Tracy can say that Naomi has made a &#8220;colossal caveat&#8221; against forced veiling.</p>
<p>She has not done so, and Tracy is being dishonest in portraying Naomi in this way.</p>
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