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		<title>By: sofiane</title>
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		<dc:creator>sofiane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonjour et merci beaucoup pour ce que vous faites.

Sofiane</description>
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<p>Sofiane</p>
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		<title>By: Help Free Asma&#8217;a al-Ghoul &#171; Free Us Now Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Help Free Asma&#8217;a al-Ghoul &#171; Free Us Now Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kinana</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/07/20/lets-rescue-the-heroes-free-asmaa-al-ghoul/#comment-14741</link>
		<dc:creator>Kinana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘Doesn’t singling out one country or one religion suggest that all Muslims are batterers or tend to batter women more than Christian-American men do?’

No it does not.  It means only what it says.  A person, book, or film should be able to say something about Islam and some Muslims that is true without being responsible for saying something about Christianity or America or Christian men in America.  The viewer/reader can then decide on the truth of the presentation in its own right without the clutter of taking on everything else.

If a religion like Islam is singled out for special attention then people can see for themselves if Islam does actually teach and encourage abuse of women.  People can read the texts themselves.  

Another confusion in your statement I think is that there is a distinction to be made between what a particular belief system teaches and encourages and what the adherents of that belief system actually do.  Those are two separate discussions.  Most people can see that.  Saying something about what Islam teaches about how women should be treated by men and society says nothing about how Muslims actually treat their women.  

The film you refer to illustrates Islam’s teaching as regards adulterous women.

Mohammed, the founder of Islam, according to the holy scriptures of Islam ordered two stonings.  Ref Muslim (17:4206) and Bukhari (6:60:79); and Bukhari (009.093.633)

I would be glad to know where in the New Testament Christian scriptures or in the example of Jesus or in the teachings of the main Christian churches how it is that Christian-American men are encouraged to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Doesn’t singling out one country or one religion suggest that all Muslims are batterers or tend to batter women more than Christian-American men do?’</p>
<p>No it does not.  It means only what it says.  A person, book, or film should be able to say something about Islam and some Muslims that is true without being responsible for saying something about Christianity or America or Christian men in America.  The viewer/reader can then decide on the truth of the presentation in its own right without the clutter of taking on everything else.</p>
<p>If a religion like Islam is singled out for special attention then people can see for themselves if Islam does actually teach and encourage abuse of women.  People can read the texts themselves.  </p>
<p>Another confusion in your statement I think is that there is a distinction to be made between what a particular belief system teaches and encourages and what the adherents of that belief system actually do.  Those are two separate discussions.  Most people can see that.  Saying something about what Islam teaches about how women should be treated by men and society says nothing about how Muslims actually treat their women.  </p>
<p>The film you refer to illustrates Islam’s teaching as regards adulterous women.</p>
<p>Mohammed, the founder of Islam, according to the holy scriptures of Islam ordered two stonings.  Ref Muslim (17:4206) and Bukhari (6:60:79); and Bukhari (009.093.633)</p>
<p>I would be glad to know where in the New Testament Christian scriptures or in the example of Jesus or in the teachings of the main Christian churches how it is that Christian-American men are encouraged to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: joeblough</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I may be hated for writing this but I  have hmmm ... mixed feelings about this stuff.

I enthusiastically endorse the notion of extending asylum to true freedom fighters, whatever their battlefield, weapon or personal identity.

Their fight makes the world just a wee bit better for me. I&#039;ll kick in my bit of tax money, or more than that, if it helps save their necks. They&#039;re my natural allies.

So far as throwing our doors, and wallets, open to the throngs of the oppressed of the mohammedan block, uh ... what&#039;s that supposed to do for me?

Nothing I can think of.

Don&#039;t get me wrong. If they want to fight oppression at home -- uh ... and thereby become my allies and people in whom I have an interest -- well, let&#039;s send them some covert aid and support. Let them distinguish themselves, show their stuff, set up a better life for their kids.

But if they just want to show up at the door without anything to prove that they are not bringing their cultural baggage with them? Eh ... not so fast ... and definitely not on lifelong welfare.

It&#039;s probably a good idea to admit a trickle, both as psyops and as fidelity to principle, but a trickle.

Our own people will feel proud of having saved some people they can care about and identify with. They will justifiably feel proud of having acted on their committment to freedom and the value of the human individual.

More importantly it will maintain a private dream among who knows how many in the mohammedan slave states of being in a free country. This can only have beneficial results for us, no matter what the course events take.

Unfortunately for all concerned the free world no longer has the moral pride nor martial resolve to do what is necessary to free even a single country in the mohammedan block, however small. That, of course, would be to truly take over and occupy the nation in question, and brutally enforce the eradication of their oppressive ideologies and practices, at every societal level, however traditional and popular they may be.

True old fashioned imperial conquest.

Basically, that won&#039;t happen.  

So the ladies suffocating in their burkas are going to have to step up to the challenge on their own.

Let&#039;s hope they have the stuff. Personally, I rather doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I may be hated for writing this but I  have hmmm &#8230; mixed feelings about this stuff.</p>
<p>I enthusiastically endorse the notion of extending asylum to true freedom fighters, whatever their battlefield, weapon or personal identity.</p>
<p>Their fight makes the world just a wee bit better for me. I&#8217;ll kick in my bit of tax money, or more than that, if it helps save their necks. They&#8217;re my natural allies.</p>
<p>So far as throwing our doors, and wallets, open to the throngs of the oppressed of the mohammedan block, uh &#8230; what&#8217;s that supposed to do for me?</p>
<p>Nothing I can think of.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. If they want to fight oppression at home &#8212; uh &#8230; and thereby become my allies and people in whom I have an interest &#8212; well, let&#8217;s send them some covert aid and support. Let them distinguish themselves, show their stuff, set up a better life for their kids.</p>
<p>But if they just want to show up at the door without anything to prove that they are not bringing their cultural baggage with them? Eh &#8230; not so fast &#8230; and definitely not on lifelong welfare.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably a good idea to admit a trickle, both as psyops and as fidelity to principle, but a trickle.</p>
<p>Our own people will feel proud of having saved some people they can care about and identify with. They will justifiably feel proud of having acted on their committment to freedom and the value of the human individual.</p>
<p>More importantly it will maintain a private dream among who knows how many in the mohammedan slave states of being in a free country. This can only have beneficial results for us, no matter what the course events take.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for all concerned the free world no longer has the moral pride nor martial resolve to do what is necessary to free even a single country in the mohammedan block, however small. That, of course, would be to truly take over and occupy the nation in question, and brutally enforce the eradication of their oppressive ideologies and practices, at every societal level, however traditional and popular they may be.</p>
<p>True old fashioned imperial conquest.</p>
<p>Basically, that won&#8217;t happen.  </p>
<p>So the ladies suffocating in their burkas are going to have to step up to the challenge on their own.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope they have the stuff. Personally, I rather doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurora E. Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurora E. Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew going in that &quot;The Stoning of Soraya M.&quot; would be a difficult movie, but one that requires WITNESS, so I went to it in support of and solidarity with Soraya and all the women of the world who are abused in any way by conscious or unconscious male domination...even if they either are not aware of female abuse or do not suffer it at all.  IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO USE STONES TO KILL A WOMAN EITHER PHYSICALLY OR EMOTIONALLY IN ANY COUNTRY..  This movie should be viewed by human beings as an awakening of what damage lies and gossip can cause and of the inequality of women in most cultures and how grossly it affects all humans.  I should add that I know that male domestic violence is a GLOBAL phenomenon that invludes the US;  AND that I understand and acknowledge  that one not necessarily need be a woman to suffer grievous ill and violation from lies and gossip.  Doesn’t singling out one country or one religion suggest that all Muslims are batterers or tend to batter women more than Christian-American men do?  

My male friend who accompanied me to the film and I were notwere not yet ready to speak about it ready to speak about it on Sunday.  He reports that he is still traumatized by it, while I (sarcastically meant) obviously have not been at all affected.  I&#039;ve done some research on this movie and on US domestic violence, which follow.  It is not intended to be required reading, but is presented so that if you wish, you may KNOW.  These are ugly truths that must be faced, acknowledged, and addressed so that both men and women may be free.
 
Are US laws REALLY equally free of gender bias?

http://vitalvoicesonline.org/blog/2009/07/10/vital-voices-director-of-human-rights-cindy-dyer-on-the-importance-of-the-stoning-of-soraya-m/comment-page-1/#comment-8349

www.moviefone.com/movie/the-stoning-of-soraya-m/ 35752/video/the-stoning-of-soraya-m-trailer-no-1/20378430001

Comparison of prison and or death sentences for male and female domestic abuse in US
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&amp;gfns=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;rlz=1T4DKUS_enUS305US306&amp;q=comparison+of+prison+and+or+death+sentences+for+male+and+female+domestic+abuse 

Women on Death Row 
By Rebecca Doran
ME:  WHY??????????????????????????????????????????
http://www.geocities.com/mnsocialist/women-dp.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew going in that &#8220;The Stoning of Soraya M.&#8221; would be a difficult movie, but one that requires WITNESS, so I went to it in support of and solidarity with Soraya and all the women of the world who are abused in any way by conscious or unconscious male domination&#8230;even if they either are not aware of female abuse or do not suffer it at all.  IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO USE STONES TO KILL A WOMAN EITHER PHYSICALLY OR EMOTIONALLY IN ANY COUNTRY..  This movie should be viewed by human beings as an awakening of what damage lies and gossip can cause and of the inequality of women in most cultures and how grossly it affects all humans.  I should add that I know that male domestic violence is a GLOBAL phenomenon that invludes the US;  AND that I understand and acknowledge  that one not necessarily need be a woman to suffer grievous ill and violation from lies and gossip.  Doesn’t singling out one country or one religion suggest that all Muslims are batterers or tend to batter women more than Christian-American men do?  </p>
<p>My male friend who accompanied me to the film and I were notwere not yet ready to speak about it ready to speak about it on Sunday.  He reports that he is still traumatized by it, while I (sarcastically meant) obviously have not been at all affected.  I&#8217;ve done some research on this movie and on US domestic violence, which follow.  It is not intended to be required reading, but is presented so that if you wish, you may KNOW.  These are ugly truths that must be faced, acknowledged, and addressed so that both men and women may be free.</p>
<p>Are US laws REALLY equally free of gender bias?</p>
<p><a href="http://vitalvoicesonline.org/blog/2009/07/10/vital-voices-director-of-human-rights-cindy-dyer-on-the-importance-of-the-stoning-of-soraya-m/comment-page-1/#comment-8349" rel="nofollow">http://vitalvoicesonline.org/blog/2009/07/10/vital-voices-director-of-human-rights-cindy-dyer-on-the-importance-of-the-stoning-of-soraya-m/comment-page-1/#comment-8349</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.moviefone.com/movie/the-stoning-of-soraya-m/" rel="nofollow">http://www.moviefone.com/movie/the-stoning-of-soraya-m/</a> 35752/video/the-stoning-of-soraya-m-trailer-no-1/20378430001</p>
<p>Comparison of prison and or death sentences for male and female domestic abuse in US<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;gfns=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rlz=1T4DKUS_enUS305US306&#038;q=comparison+of+prison+and+or+death+sentences+for+male+and+female+domestic+abuse" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;gfns=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rlz=1T4DKUS_enUS305US306&#038;q=comparison+of+prison+and+or+death+sentences+for+male+and+female+domestic+abuse</a> </p>
<p>Women on Death Row<br />
By Rebecca Doran<br />
ME:  WHY??????????????????????????????????????????<br />
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/mnsocialist/women-dp.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/mnsocialist/women-dp.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carrol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Lauren, I am increasingly afraid to speak my opinion.  My son warns me to be careful what I say, email or say on the phone.  Has our great and free country come to this?  Keep up the wonderful work Ms. Chesler!  You are a brave woman.  I pray for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Lauren, I am increasingly afraid to speak my opinion.  My son warns me to be careful what I say, email or say on the phone.  Has our great and free country come to this?  Keep up the wonderful work Ms. Chesler!  You are a brave woman.  I pray for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kinana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kinana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am sympathetic to her plight, would it not also be right to ask what she will do while she is in the USA?  Would she promote a type of Islam that is better for women?  A ‘moderate’ Islam?  Will she explicitly reject Quran 4:34 in which Allah says that men are superior to women and that husbands have the right to beat their wives/wife/women?

4:34: ‘Men stand superior to women in that God hath preferred some of them over others, and in that they expend of their wealth: and the virtuous women, devoted, careful (in their husbands&#039;) absence, as God has cared for them. But those whose perverseness ye fear, admonish them and remove them into bed-chambers and beat them; but if they submit to you, then do not seek a way against them; verily, God is high and great.’

Or will she become one of the growing number of Muslims (under the banner of the free West) who argue that Islam is whatever you want it to be and therefore not of any concern, per se?

The irony is that she is in her situation because of Islam and its more devoted and traditionally orthodox adherents.  What will she teach while she is here?  Will she say that Islam is not a problem, only a few Muslim men are the problem?  Or will she reject Islam’s hateful and supremacist teachings and leave Islam and encourage other Muslims to do the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am sympathetic to her plight, would it not also be right to ask what she will do while she is in the USA?  Would she promote a type of Islam that is better for women?  A ‘moderate’ Islam?  Will she explicitly reject Quran 4:34 in which Allah says that men are superior to women and that husbands have the right to beat their wives/wife/women?</p>
<p>4:34: ‘Men stand superior to women in that God hath preferred some of them over others, and in that they expend of their wealth: and the virtuous women, devoted, careful (in their husbands&#8217;) absence, as God has cared for them. But those whose perverseness ye fear, admonish them and remove them into bed-chambers and beat them; but if they submit to you, then do not seek a way against them; verily, God is high and great.’</p>
<p>Or will she become one of the growing number of Muslims (under the banner of the free West) who argue that Islam is whatever you want it to be and therefore not of any concern, per se?</p>
<p>The irony is that she is in her situation because of Islam and its more devoted and traditionally orthodox adherents.  What will she teach while she is here?  Will she say that Islam is not a problem, only a few Muslim men are the problem?  Or will she reject Islam’s hateful and supremacist teachings and leave Islam and encourage other Muslims to do the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Obama would never do as you write. He doesn&#039;t have half the intelligence of you. He knows only one thing:hate for America. He knows full well that by letting in battered women he is letting in an influx of millions of Muslims to our country which is his true goal. Common American-hater Muslims. Not the ones you speak and write about here today that deserve to be sheltered by our great nation. Phyllis Obama is evil. I fear the day that they trace my postings to me and knock at my door. But I fear for the loss of liberty more. And so I am posting again today and saying it straight forward. He is evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Obama would never do as you write. He doesn&#8217;t have half the intelligence of you. He knows only one thing:hate for America. He knows full well that by letting in battered women he is letting in an influx of millions of Muslims to our country which is his true goal. Common American-hater Muslims. Not the ones you speak and write about here today that deserve to be sheltered by our great nation. Phyllis Obama is evil. I fear the day that they trace my postings to me and knock at my door. But I fear for the loss of liberty more. And so I am posting again today and saying it straight forward. He is evil.</p>
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		<title>By: George Jochnowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Jochnowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can write to the President at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/</description>
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<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/</a></p>
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