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	<title>Comments on: A Frenzy of Honor Killings: Neda, Soraya, Bursa—and Me.</title>
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		<title>By: Abu Rashid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Rashid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

In your article you stated: &quot;The cultural and/or religious imperative might prove too strong even for those who are living in the West&quot;
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In fact there is absolutely no religious imperative for these brutal crimes. They are usually committed by very unreligious people and whilst intoxicated by alcohol (which is strictly forbidden in Islam). These crimes, whether carried out by Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Catholics (Latin America has a large number of honour killings, a fact that&#039;s rarely publicised in the Christian West) or anyone else, are usually carried out by poorer, uneducated sectors of society who are steeped in tribalism (something again that Islam denounces, in fact Muhammad said &quot;Tribalism is like a coal from the hellfire&quot;).

You said: &quot;Some people think that all Muslim fundamentalists or the families of Muslims who commit an honor killing should be deported from the West.&quot;
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Contrary to what it might be easier to believe, it is highly unlikely a &#039;fundamentalist&#039; would carry out an honour killing. They are usually carried out by people who are more steeped in cultural/traditional/tribal beliefs, rather than in puritanical Islamic beliefs. The fact is that Islamic law strictly forbids any such vigilante behaviour of summarily executing people based on suspicions, rumours or even first hand accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>In your article you stated: &#8220;The cultural and/or religious imperative might prove too strong even for those who are living in the West&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8211;<br />
In fact there is absolutely no religious imperative for these brutal crimes. They are usually committed by very unreligious people and whilst intoxicated by alcohol (which is strictly forbidden in Islam). These crimes, whether carried out by Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Catholics (Latin America has a large number of honour killings, a fact that&#8217;s rarely publicised in the Christian West) or anyone else, are usually carried out by poorer, uneducated sectors of society who are steeped in tribalism (something again that Islam denounces, in fact Muhammad said &#8220;Tribalism is like a coal from the hellfire&#8221;).</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;Some people think that all Muslim fundamentalists or the families of Muslims who commit an honor killing should be deported from the West.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Contrary to what it might be easier to believe, it is highly unlikely a &#8216;fundamentalist&#8217; would carry out an honour killing. They are usually carried out by people who are more steeped in cultural/traditional/tribal beliefs, rather than in puritanical Islamic beliefs. The fact is that Islamic law strictly forbids any such vigilante behaviour of summarily executing people based on suspicions, rumours or even first hand accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: watchingandwaiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>watchingandwaiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our  muslim dogma is for power grabbing at all levels and blood on our hands is considered a good sign. be it our brother&#039;s or mother&#039;s or sister&#039;s or father&#039;s. it&#039;s all about honor   which translates into money. the less the relatives the more the money the murderer has.so the fighting and the bloodshed will never stop. to be muslim today is to recognise one&#039;s self as A cursed human being… pure scum …very sad…very bad. I would be better dead as a muslim than as a living muslim because we muslims do not contribute anything to this planet except strife and hate which the rest of the planet somehow resents. all us muslims should realise this too and do the needfull for this planet and commit mass suicide and meet and greet each other in heaven and admire each other’s virgins there.

&quot;There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.&quot; - Ayatollah Khomeini

first things first .... the koran is not a holy book....it is the most evil and racist and sexist book ever written. it is a slur to the written word. it is an insult to human intelligence. have no doubt. read it to disbelieve it . all muslims should be trying to get out of islam&#039;s clutches . all muslims should be trying to get out of islam&#039;s clutches not only for their sake and their children&#039;s sake but for the sake of their forefathers and foremothers who were converted to this evil and vile cult by the sword and fright. Forget Christianity if it’s such a big issue …muslims need to move out en masse to something like buddhism.
muslims should start realising that their forefathers were forced into this blood thirsty cult by blood and sword.they became muslims out of fear not because they loved islam. the new generation should set their forefathers&#039; mistakes right by getting out of islam en masse (in big groups) and returning to their old peacefull religions of their great great grand parents before the muslims came and turned their lives and morals upside down. whatever is preached in that cult is the exact opposite of what good people and citizens should be. start the change now. only the muslims can help themselves smash this evil cult that has got them and their women and children by the throats.

The west should be helping muslims with a free service or a nominal charged service which could trace each of their ancestral roots or religion practiced before they had to bow to allah or die horribly. Then the choice would be theirs to continue in this evil cult or opt out to what was their lifestyle or religion before the madness came. The service could be called BEFORE THE MADNESS .  the educated west has to help these barbaric people see the light of peace and laughter so their children and women may appreciate the sunlight which is our planet’s birthright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our  muslim dogma is for power grabbing at all levels and blood on our hands is considered a good sign. be it our brother&#8217;s or mother&#8217;s or sister&#8217;s or father&#8217;s. it&#8217;s all about honor   which translates into money. the less the relatives the more the money the murderer has.so the fighting and the bloodshed will never stop. to be muslim today is to recognise one&#8217;s self as A cursed human being… pure scum …very sad…very bad. I would be better dead as a muslim than as a living muslim because we muslims do not contribute anything to this planet except strife and hate which the rest of the planet somehow resents. all us muslims should realise this too and do the needfull for this planet and commit mass suicide and meet and greet each other in heaven and admire each other’s virgins there.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.&#8221; &#8211; Ayatollah Khomeini</p>
<p>first things first &#8230;. the koran is not a holy book&#8230;.it is the most evil and racist and sexist book ever written. it is a slur to the written word. it is an insult to human intelligence. have no doubt. read it to disbelieve it . all muslims should be trying to get out of islam&#8217;s clutches . all muslims should be trying to get out of islam&#8217;s clutches not only for their sake and their children&#8217;s sake but for the sake of their forefathers and foremothers who were converted to this evil and vile cult by the sword and fright. Forget Christianity if it’s such a big issue …muslims need to move out en masse to something like buddhism.<br />
muslims should start realising that their forefathers were forced into this blood thirsty cult by blood and sword.they became muslims out of fear not because they loved islam. the new generation should set their forefathers&#8217; mistakes right by getting out of islam en masse (in big groups) and returning to their old peacefull religions of their great great grand parents before the muslims came and turned their lives and morals upside down. whatever is preached in that cult is the exact opposite of what good people and citizens should be. start the change now. only the muslims can help themselves smash this evil cult that has got them and their women and children by the throats.</p>
<p>The west should be helping muslims with a free service or a nominal charged service which could trace each of their ancestral roots or religion practiced before they had to bow to allah or die horribly. Then the choice would be theirs to continue in this evil cult or opt out to what was their lifestyle or religion before the madness came. The service could be called BEFORE THE MADNESS .  the educated west has to help these barbaric people see the light of peace and laughter so their children and women may appreciate the sunlight which is our planet’s birthright.</p>
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		<title>By: Steynian 369 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steynian 369 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A FRENZY of Honor Killings &#8230;. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: toker53</title>
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		<dc:creator>toker53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then Peace cannot exist at all. This belief is inconsistent with peace since within the Islamic State there appears to be constant unrest, either among the people, with other Muslims,Suunni v shia or with the infidels such as myself. See you at the atomic barbecue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then Peace cannot exist at all. This belief is inconsistent with peace since within the Islamic State there appears to be constant unrest, either among the people, with other Muslims,Suunni v shia or with the infidels such as myself. See you at the atomic barbecue.</p>
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		<title>By: Troll # 237</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troll # 237</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See? Mercans do it too!

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-smoking-drenched-bn063009,0,6351412.story

You wingnuts are just a buncha redneck trailer-trash islamophobes. We progressives would never treat anyone like a second-class citizen just for smoking. This was as bad as waterboarding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See? Mercans do it too!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-smoking-drenched-bn063009,0,6351412.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-smoking-drenched-bn063009,0,6351412.story</a></p>
<p>You wingnuts are just a buncha redneck trailer-trash islamophobes. We progressives would never treat anyone like a second-class citizen just for smoking. This was as bad as waterboarding!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we please play Cowboys and Moslems now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we please play Cowboys and Moslems now?</p>
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		<title>By: Wancow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wancow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>39. Strawman, the problem is that islam cannot exist in a democratic society without fighting to undermine and destroy it.  To be subject to anything other than &quot;God&#039;s Law&quot; is is to live in a state of war.

When a muslim says &quot;Al Salaam Alaykum&quot;, which means &quot;Peace Be Upon You,&quot; he is wishing for you to be subject to islam, either by voluntary or involuntary submission.  Peace, so far as Islam is concerned, cannot exist outside of of an Islamic State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>39. Strawman, the problem is that islam cannot exist in a democratic society without fighting to undermine and destroy it.  To be subject to anything other than &#8220;God&#8217;s Law&#8221; is is to live in a state of war.</p>
<p>When a muslim says &#8220;Al Salaam Alaykum&#8221;, which means &#8220;Peace Be Upon You,&#8221; he is wishing for you to be subject to islam, either by voluntary or involuntary submission.  Peace, so far as Islam is concerned, cannot exist outside of of an Islamic State.</p>
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		<title>By: KRB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A young women or girl  doesn&#039;t have to know her attacker. Some of these attacks take place when one family merely doesn&#039;t accept the marriage proposal of another family. This rejection is seen as justification to seek vengeance and a means of restoring damaged honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A young women or girl  doesn&#8217;t have to know her attacker. Some of these attacks take place when one family merely doesn&#8217;t accept the marriage proposal of another family. This rejection is seen as justification to seek vengeance and a means of restoring damaged honor.</p>
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		<title>By: agn</title>
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		<dc:creator>agn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The quickest way to stop the practice of wearing burqas is to make the men in that group wear them too.&quot;

That has already been done, in the case of the niqab.

The fanatical Berber sect the Almoravids, who terrorized Morocco and Andalusia in the late 11th, early 12th centuries, prescribed the facial covering of males.

Still, they were a nasty lot, so I don&#039;t think your (or, rather, Pat Condell&#039;s) advice will help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The quickest way to stop the practice of wearing burqas is to make the men in that group wear them too.&#8221;</p>
<p>That has already been done, in the case of the niqab.</p>
<p>The fanatical Berber sect the Almoravids, who terrorized Morocco and Andalusia in the late 11th, early 12th centuries, prescribed the facial covering of males.</p>
<p>Still, they were a nasty lot, so I don&#8217;t think your (or, rather, Pat Condell&#8217;s) advice will help.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>58. SukieTawdry:

&quot;Let’s see if Lynn Rosenthal, Obama’s new advisor on Violence Against Women, will address this. Any bets?&quot;

lol. Sukie, leave it to you to make me laugh through my tears. 

Bets? 0bama hates everyone but the man in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>58. SukieTawdry:</p>
<p>&#8220;Let’s see if Lynn Rosenthal, Obama’s new advisor on Violence Against Women, will address this. Any bets?&#8221;</p>
<p>lol. Sukie, leave it to you to make me laugh through my tears. </p>
<p>Bets? 0bama hates everyone but the man in the mirror.</p>
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