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And, as I watch documentaries and videos in which Arab and Muslim women argue in favor of womens’ subordinate status, I can’t help but note how very angry and aggressive these women in head and shoulder scarves are—how filled with hate they are for those women who seek women’s elevation within the mosque. But also, their affect, even their rage, seems dead, flat, as if they are following a script that has been brutally drummed into them all their lives. (There is an important PBS feature due out in June which documents Asra Nomani’s struggle to elevate Muslim women. It is titled The Mosque in Morgantown and will air on June 15th, 2009.)

Now, back to the Ottawa trial. This tragic murder seems to fit my profile of a classical honor killing which I outlined in my study, published in the Middle East Quarterly, MEQ. A relatively young Muslim girl, who is perceived as too westernized, too “happy,” too independent, too ambitious, is, therefore, perceived as dishonoring her family who, to cleanse their shame, kill her. The father, a brother, a male cousin, with help from the family’s women, carry out this cruel deed. In the West, fathers, brothers, and male cousins, do not usually kill their daughters or sisters. Sometimes, in the West, adult male intimates who batter their adult wives may end up killing them but fathers rarely do so; even battering husband rarely do so.

In the spring of 2008, in Henrietta, New York, another Afghan brother, Waheed Allah Mohammed, goaded by his mother, stabbed his sister Fauzia many times. Her crime? She was too “western” in her clothing choice, and she planned to leave the family home in upstate New York to attend college in New York City. Waheed described her as a “bad Muslim girl.” Luckily, Fauzia lived. Her brother will stand trial and, in my opinion, her mother should be indicted as well as a co-conspirator.

One honor murder, one attempted honor murder: Both perpetrated by Afghan Muslims. Yet, my Afghan friends assure me that honor killings are foreign to Afghanistan. Perhaps they are right. Perhaps it is a matter of definition. Many Muslims, including Afghans, as well as everyone else, (especially if they themselves are modern, sophisticated, educated, “westernized”), do not often acknowledge that the traditional indignities visited upon Afghan and Muslim women in which women are sacrificed, bit by bit, all throughout their lives, are tantamount to a long drawn out human sacrifice.

Thus, neither the burq’a nor the chador, polygamy nor arranged marriage, the habit of savagely demeaning and physically battering a wife—none are necessarily considered as related to femicide, which an honor killing surely is.

Perhaps the Arab/Al-Qaeda influence in Afghanistan and living in an era of global jihad have endangered Afghan and Muslim women even further. But how are we to understand honor killings in Canada and in the United States, in Ottawa, Henrietta, and Buffalo, where, in 2009, long time Pakistani immigrant, Muzammil Hassan, beheaded his wife Aasiya?

Will someone argue that the stress of immigration made these men murder? Even when the new country is far safer and filled with many more opportunities than the old country ever was? Or, will someone argue that alleged racism in the New World “provokes” bestial, barbaric behavior among Muslim (and sometimes, far more rarely, Sikh) families? Even when the New World frees people from the caste, class, and tribal rivalries that would mean constant warfare in the Old Country? Or is the sudden shock of immigration enough to plunge people back into barbarism? But, according to the National Post, Hasibullah came here when he was quite young. Perhaps Canadian laws which allowed an abusive father to nevertheless retain custody of children are to blame. Hasibullah was both abused by and yet modelled himself after an abusive paternal role model. Psychology 101.

Where can these young Muslim women turn in the New World that will keep them safe from their own families? Can we educate domestic jihadists here?

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44 Comments, 44 Threads, 9 Trackbacks

  1. 1. Satya D

    Unless we address the root cause of this, it is first Muslims and then non-Muslims (in the Western World). What is happening to them will extend to us. There is a great need to reform Islam and no one is talking about it except few.

    Regards,
    Satya

  2. Sadiqi may think that his sister brought dishonor upon the family, but by committing murder, it is Sadiqi himself who has dishonored his family, his community, his heritage, and his religion. What he did was not merely evil; it was also idiotic. Blind faith is a force that makes good people bad and smart people stupid.

  3. 3. MiamaMan

    1. Satya D:

    1) Thanks, Namaste. I assume you’re from Bharat (India), Bharat Ma (Mother India), for your beautiful name, Satya, in Sanskrit means “truth”.

    2) Reform, as you stated, is key. To uplift those swayed under “avidya” or ignorance. In Sanskrit the prefix “a” negates. So Vidya is knowledge, and “A”vidya is ignorance. Also Jnana is knowledge, and “A”jnana the opposite.

    3) The great Swami Shriyukteshwar in his book the “Holy Science” (Kayvalia Darshana) wrote that Avidya (Ignorance) is: THE PERCEPTION OF THE NONEXISTENT, AND THE NONPERCEPTION OF THE EXISTENT.

    4) A sadness grows in me while looking at the picture of Khatera Sadiqi (also Feroz, but Khatera specifically).

    5) Those who harm women, know they harm the womb of the Divine. Woman is the Mother, the Divine Mother.

    6) There are 4 powers of the Divine Mother or Mahashakti: Imperial Maheshwari, Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, and Mahasaraswati. For those mother-killers, know that you will have to face the terrible asura-face of Mahakali. There is no escape for you.

  4. 4. Rachel Lipsky

    I am glad to read the comment by “MiamiMan”. As a Yoga teacher I published an article about a Yogist view on the Israel / Arab conflict where I used the concept of Satya to describe those who fit the reality into their perception instead of the other way around. In that context I love the definition of Avidya as the PERCEPTION OF THE NONEXISTENT, AND THE NONPERCEPTION OF THE EXISTENT.
    Thanks,
    R.L

  5. 5. Richard Cook

    George

    No it will not be looked on that way. Within his clan he will be looked on as an upholder of the clan’s honor. He does not care how non-clan members see him. His allegiance is to his clan. Where is NOW? The main problem in the Western world concering this is cowardice.

  6. 6. AlanABQ

    What these Muslim girls need to do is what any girl in an abusive relationship needs to do: Get the hell out of that life any way they can, find a real man, and start a family that nurtures freedom & love. Set an example for all Muslims girls throughout the West to follow. They can be the role models they so desperately needed themselves to others in similar situations.

  7. The best way to reform Islam is through tough sentencing for misogynistic creeps. Life in prison. For murder, the death penalty. Women-haters don’t respond to therapy.

  8. 8. Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.

    This piece raises more starkly the issue of delusional thinking refracted by cultural practices. Which comes first the chicken or the egg? I wonder if the enmeshed family dominated by paranoia and boundary violations causing abuse dovetails with the ideologies of the honor killing. Basically we probably would all agree that it is the ultimate predatory behavior to kill your own yet the cultural/religious frame reenforces the predatory behavior. Then the cultural/religious frame gets transposed or transported to the West. The attacking is pure envy which Phyllis, you have described so well. The shame is the trigger point for the attacking too, I would suppose.

    I can’t help think about Markoff, the Craig’s List Killer medical school student. It is so hard for us to grasp the nature of denial and the terrors aroused by a killer. While the cases are very different, the inability to get the public to understand what is at stake further indicates the terrors that everyone is carrying around within themselves but few can really tackle. You did a great tackle in this piece.

  9. In other words: Sadiqi will argue that the alleged “dishonor” his sister brought upon her family by choosing her own husband was a “provocation.”

    The “provocation” in this case makes as much sense as the “provocation” that caused Abdul Salam, who was “posing as an unthreatening Afghan citizen,” to throw a bucket of fuel on Paula Loyd, an anthropologist, and then set her on fire last November.

    Until the West understands the mindset and reacts accordingly, we will continue to lose the broader war against lunatics like Sadiqi and Salam. Fortunately, In Salam’s case, Don Ayala, a former Army Ranger, took immediate action and obtained justice for Loyd, receiving probation for his actions. Can we honestly say Khatera will receive the same justice from a Canadian court?

  10. 10. Terry Gain

    This suggests that he wanted to assassinate her way of thinking; it also suggests that this was a political execution.

    Yes, it surely was but few understand that Islam is a political system which uses religion to immunize itself from examination and attack. Islam will triumph unless westerners study its history and core beliefs and stop deluding themselves that this is a benign religion with a few fanatical hijackers.

  11. 11. LynnS

    Reform Islam? How? Can Allah be reformed, can Mohammad? Women are like a domestic animal, or a field to be used by men. Women are half the value. Women are ungrateful, and disobedient and the main occupiers of Hell.

    A man who does not punish a women for disobedience is not following the words of Allah through Mohammad.

    This is the obstacle that the West faces in dealing with these acts of violence against women. To us it is a crime to their god it is a way of life (death). Women must be controlled for Islam to prosper.

  12. 12. Meryl

    The actions this brother took in killing his sister are both recommended and honored in Islam.

    If we as a society can’t recognize the reality that is in front of our noses, we are exactly like the abused members of an abusive family: hunkering down, pretending its not happening, finding ways to cope, “don’t tell anyone”….

    If we keep surrendering the language, “honor” killings will just be one more thing that it’s impossible to address because we no longer can use or understand common language. (Is an honor killing kind of like a loving abortion? Must be.)

  13. 13. Linda Rivera

    It all goes back to the beginning of Islam. Mohammad, founder of Islam, beheaded 700 Jewish men. Murdered because the Jews OBEYED G-D’s Laws and refused to follow the new religion of Islam. We HONOR G-D by OBEYING G-D’s Laws, as:

    YOU SHALL NOT MURDER

    Everyone is born with a G-D given conscience – we know that it is wrong to hurt another human being.

    Pure, Holy and Absolutely Good, the Giver of all life, is merciful in word and deed. Murder and abuse of other human beings is the absolute rejection of G-D and G-D’s requirement for ALL humanity – KINDNESS:

    And what does the L-RD require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your G-D.
    Micah 6:8

    On the Day of Judgment, G-D, the Just Judge, will show no mercy to those who have shown no mercy.

    Let men call on G-D earnestly that each may turn from his wicked way and from the violence which in his hands.
    Jonah 3:8

  14. Another example of a case that shows the dangers of privileging motives, either by the prosecution or the defense. This man does not deserve to have his own motives elevated in court, either as a defense or as a tool for enhancing his sentence: doing either only reinforces the power of such beliefs. Better than he be treated like a common murderer, which he is.

    Outside the courtroom is another story, for tracking and prevention of such crimes requires comprehension of what is at stake — nobody untangles these threads better than Dr. Chesler. But equality in the eyes of the law for all victims of all crimes, regardless of motive, does more to defuse the power of prejudices than all the in-court social engineering we have today, which is also too easily manipulated and politicized.

  15. 15. ddc

    The first thing the “civilized” world must and can easily do is to:

    1. Inflict the harshest of punishment upon these men who kill. A murder is a murder. “provocation” due to an ideology has no logical right to exist in western societies. Clear self-defense, of a physical kind ought be the ONLY provocation which a defense atty should be allowed to use in a client behalf. Not the death penalty since they seem to enjoy the idea of the 72 raisins a little too much, but life in prison without the possibilty of parole. Let they wait for their raisins.

    To say that a defense such as religious provocation is a just reason for cold blooded murder does NOT further the safety and hoped-for modernity for those who are hypnotised by such an insidious mind-fk as Islam. The granting of it serves only to perpetuate its hatred and cruelty towards women and quite frankly dumbs down the rest of humanity into lessor beings, by allowing…”duh, well gee if it is ok for Alibaba to shot his wife in the head well why isn’t it ok for me?”

    2. Get rid of the god-awful political correctness that divides and harms all of us. For there to be given even the slightest consideration to the nonsense that is Sharia Law within the UK justice system proves that the powers that be in the UK have lost their minds, intellectual dignity AND balls to Islam and to what unholy purpose? To SAVE their balls against Jihadism. They are cowards, all and utterly disgust-worthy.

    The sooner Immigrants from Islamic strongholds are led to accept that their murderous cult of personality don’t fly in modern secular societies, the better off the rest of us will be. This is really the ONLY way to bring them into the 21st century.If they cannot or will not obey they laws and sensibilities of their new country they they are free to go elsewhere. It is not rocket science that if we bring one person up – the rest of us are safe and vice versa.

    And yes, I see nothing wrong with it NOT being acceptable to murder the women in your culture for any other reason than that she has brought a gun to your knife fight. And having said that – “you are either with us or against us.”

  16. 16. NahnCee

    I wish someone would do some follow-up interviews with the murderers and their accomplice family members.

    Do they *understand* going into it that they will not be allowed to get away with this in the West, and that at least the murderer will be immediately scooped up and imprisoned for life?

    In these families that are so concerned with their “honor” is there no dishonor involved in having a son or father or uncle imprisoned with the words “convicted murderer” forever emblazoned on the family escutcheon?

    Do they care, at all, about the reaction of their Western neighbors and legal system, or are they so focused on what their uneducated local imam and the aunties back home think that they just overlook the consequences?

    Finally, I wonder in how many of these cases, the murderous father or son (or even uncle) has been having incestuous sex with the unwilling girl relative for years, and part of the rage involved is very simply that of a scorned lover.

  17. 17. ddc

    #17
    Interesting point for discussion as (at least) 90% of murders between the opposite sex is either about money, jealosy OR sex. That being the case I how much this “honor” nonsense is expressly (reverse blame and a lovely way out, albeit cowardly)designed for the murderer to “save face,” because as you know women are the devilish destroyers of mans purity…as that garbage goes…

  18. 18. Joseph T Major

    You have to understand, there will be a general disbelief of the “honor killing” aspect. No, they will say, this was merely an act of anger, common to all people of all cultures, and it has nothing to do with the beautiful, tolerant, understanding, peaceful Islam. Learned commentators and the general press will instill this attitude into all reporting and ignore any comment blaming this murder on the killer’s beliefs as Islamophobic. No decent person is Islamophobic; only right-wing troglodyites have that unspeakable attitude.

  19. 19. Don

    Just as few Muslims actually denounce terrorism, few denounce honor killings, usually blaming the woman for not toeing the line and disrespecting her culture. Let’s stop being politically correct and just call a spade a spade, what we all know: Islam is a brutal, hateful, deadly, cult of bigotry, misogny, and terror (jihad). It’s us vs them in their book, and they (infidels) must submit or die. We can only be thankful that most “Muslims” actually do not practice their religion.

  20. 20. Dobro Utero

    He should be tried for murder.Islam is not part of our Constitution and therefore he should be tried for first degree double murder.

  21. 21. Wallace

    “Yet, my Afghan friends assure me that honor killings are foreign to Afghanistan.”

    There is another explanation. Those honor killings are rare because those women already accept their second class citizen status. When practically all women in backward villages accept the prohibitions (wearing “revealing” dresses, talking to men, etc.) and accept that they must be chaperoned, that they must not be highly educated and have “men’s jobs”, there is no need to “honor” murder them. Thus, “honor” murders aren’t widespread in Pakistan and Afghanistan. But they happen because some women won’t accept the status quo. They may be more evident in the West since those women see the society outside their culture where women can achieve their dreams and they want the same thing. And because Westerners make a big deal of these crimes.

  22. 22. Oyster

    “Perhaps Canadian laws which allowed an abusive father to nevertheless retain custody of children are to blame.”

    I can’t speak for this particular incident, but I’ve read of many other instances in Canada where they’re far too willing to take into consideration the cultural proclivities of the persons involved in determining outcomes. That certain parts of Canada would even consider, as they have in the past, allowing Sharia Law to play a role in civil disputes sets off alarm bells. Just putting it to a vote is inconceivable.

    And Nahn Cee asks:
    “In these families that are so concerned with their “honor” is there no dishonor involved in having a son or father or uncle imprisoned with the words “convicted murderer” forever emblazoned on the family escutcheon?”

    No. In their minds, it’s justified and their imprisonment is viewed as being wrongly convicted. It’s not “his” fault. It’s “her” fault for not accepting her place.

  23. 23. Grace

    The main point in this case is that Sadiqi committed two counts of first degree murder of which he is charged and for that he hopefully will be sentenced to life in prison. The argument of provocation (in this case the defense of sharia) has no place in any Canadian courtroom.

  24. 24. David W. Lincoln

    All are equal, but some are more equal than others. It is time for the pussy-footing to stop, and make sure that the Sons of Allah experience
    what they have dished out.

  25. 25. MiamaMan

    @ 4. Rachel Lipsky:

    1) Namaste Rachel!

    2) May the Mother give you quiet in the mind, purity, calm, and peace.

    3) Please allow me a comment on the quote you liked from Swamiji’s famous book, quoting you: “I love the definition of Avidya as the PERCEPTION OF THE NONEXISTENT, AND THE NONPERCEPTION OF THE EXISTENT.

    4) This is what is called in Yoga the Vedantic Realization, which has at its core the Vedantic concept of the Mayavada, meaning the world, Maya, is an illusion, and that Reality, Brahman, the Atman, only is. It comes with the realization of the Quiet, Featureless Brahman, and the personal Atman as not different from Brahman.

    5) An anecdote: The greatest Indian Yogi of the 20th century, Sri Aurobindo, before taking up Yoga, was distrustful of the Mayavada because he thought it required to retire from the world and become a renunciant or Sannyasi (he was then an active politician). To his great surprise, after meeting his first and only Guru in 1907, Maharashtrian Yogi Vishnu Bhaskar Lele, who simply instructed him to meditate and stop thoughts coming from outside and watch the mind, in 3 days he got the whole enchilada, totally shed the ego, was a witness to the unreality of the material world that passed by him like shadows. Luckily, he understood that this is not the ONLY REALIZATION in Yoga, even though for many is enough, tops, and they leave family and friends, but Sri Aurobindo plodded ahead and mapped the consciousness of Yoga in a way it had never been done before, not even in Vedic India.

    6) I highly recommend recently-published, controversial-in-India, Sri Aurobindo biography by American Peter Heehs, “The Lives of Sri Aurobindo”: http://www.amazon.com/Lives-Sri-Aurobindo-Peter-Heehs/dp/0231140983/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241964402&sr=8-1

    7) At that said: Hari OM!

  26. 26. RobertG

    Honor killing are part of some cultures as is female mutilation, the burka and not using toilet paper. So in the name of multiculturalism we should all do the same so we can be different just like everybody else.

    I will miss pork chops and barbecue though.

  27. 27. NahnCee

    RobertG – you must be Canadian. The proper response by an American would be, “You can have my pork chop when you pry it out of my cold dead hand.”

  28. 28. rr

    I am of the opinion that all who kill for family “honour” dis-honours their families and the primitive tribes that they come from. Anyone who defends this under the laws of Canada (and elsewhere in the free world) should be stripped of their ability to practice law if lawyers, and, if family members, tried as accessories to murder or deported back to where they came from immediately.

    I predict that next on the Muslim agenda is honour-rape or some other such Muslim BS. I say ship them all back to their homelands if they insist on harming others while in the free world. They are not to be tolerated while living in the west.

    It is obvious to me and millions of others that they do not wish to obey our laws but continue to blaspheme humanity with their hatred and barbaric ways.

    Islam, my ass! Its a control system bent on taking over the world with the imams, sheiks, mullahs and ayatollahs all at the top of the ugliness they call religion.

  29. 29. RobertG

    No NahnCee: I is a Yank, crude and rude and not a bad shot ;-) and I ain’t given up this pork chop! But I do like Canadian bacon if that helps!

  30. 30. Judy, NYC

    these “immigrants” are mad as hatters. they love killing and they’ve been doing it nonstop for a very long time, with very little reason, usually none. i am weary of even the talk about them, and if they want to cut off each other’s heads or shoot each other in the head this is the place to do it. we have a justice system just made for the likes of serial killers and islamics (now, crack dealers who also kill each other and terrorize whole neighborhoods). just keep it coming and let’s see how long we last.

  31. 31. Norman Simms

    Phyllis

    Didn’t the British in 19th-century India, when wishing to make a warning example of the Muslim rebels, do one or both things: either shoot them with cannons so as to destroy the body and/or rub their bodies before execution with pig fat?

    No, I don’t suggest this, but I think we cannot prevent these so-called honour crimes in our midst–in the heart of civilization–by merely carrying out our current laws strictly, though this must be done. But we have to find ways of making it so uncomfortable and spiritually unbearable for the criminals, that they will have to hesitate.

    I do think too that a lot of education has to be done with military, police and judicial officers to make them fully aware of the kinds of crimes they are dealing with, the nature of the persons committing these crimes, and the religious and tribal forces that motivate these criminal acts.

    Norman

  32. 32. ahmad

    I sympatise with your view about muslim people, true some muslims such Mr Sadiqi is truely an embarrasement to the community

    i am a muslim man, and i am totally shocked that the defence is using ”provocation” in order to justify the killing two young innocent human by cruel, barbaric and delibrate coward act….. i really hope that this type of ”provocation”defence would not fly within the Canadian Legal system…..i am hoping that Mr. Sidiqi is convicted of first degree murder, because he did evil act with full concious, he figuered hey what the hell they will go to ”paradise” when i kill them so let me send him… Mr Sadiq is a lunitic and cold blooded killer who is using the Canadian Justice system to find sheild or execuse for his cruel act…. if he wants to use Sharia law, he should also be executed because he killed a young couple that were ”engaged”, and according to sharia law, men and women are permitted to be with each other when they are engaged…

    i am truely discusted with his act and lack of remorse… i hope he gets a full sentence..

  33. 33. MiamaMan

    31. Judy, NYC:

    Judy, nice quote: “mad as a hatter”, as an certified Industrial Hygienist, I know this phrase to come from 19th century England where hatters used mercury to cure felt for their hats. Hg poisoning’s (especially Hg vapors) major health hazard is simply “madness” or erethysm (psychological disturbances), together with peripheral neuropathy and other fine loony tune consequences that may land the affected in the “funny farm”.

    May be we should irrigate the Loco Islamic Jihadists with a fine aerosol of Mercury Vapor. I am sure this would not qualify as “torture” under Obama, and the CIA folks can finally do their jobs. The only drawback will be that the Jihadists don’t have health insurance, and may have to be included in Medicare or Medicaid. Not a big deal.

    Or may be simply as the English army used to do in India when fighting them a couple of century back, the honor-killers before execution are to be rubbed with pigs’ fat. That would surely end the trend. I propose former VP Cheney for this project.

  34. 34. asdf

    Islam is a death cult

  35. 35. Pedro Gomez

    The only way to fix Islam is by completely discounting it as an ass backwards “cult of death” and calling it what it is,… a “cult of death” created by a fool named Muhamad.

    A good Radical Islamic Fundamentalist Fool, is a DEAD ONE!

    Politicaly incorrect but true!

  36. 36. Hinda

    When the countries start to appease those who have no respect for the laws and culture then you might as well raise the white flag. Shame Canada doesn’t have the death penalty — that would be the only true solution.

  37. 37. joeblough

    What is meant by:

    Can we educate domestic jihadists here?

    I have nothing but respect and admiration for the site author, but I can only hope that this is intended in jest.

    There is no such thing as a form of education that is sufficient to undo the depth of moral corruption that makes it possible to murder one’s own daughter or sister over an imagined slight.

    It is at worst naive arrogance and at best plain silliness to seriously imagine otherwise.

    The terrible thing is that it is now reasonable to ask:

    Where can these young Muslim women turn in the New World that will keep them safe from their own families?

    Normally the New world is the place where these young women would turn for safety.

    A New World that aggressively applied its own laws and aggressively promoted decency and aggressively defended its values.

    But now? Where indeed can those young women turn for safety?

  38. 38. ldd

    In France they’ve failed to uphold domestically abused muslim woman rights for the last three decades and how’s that working for them? Muslim students refusing to learn basic and sound concepts taught in schools because it offends their ‘culture’… and on and on the car-B-Q’s goes. They want jobs, but refuse to learn the skills needed, never mind adapting. So they don’t have to LEARN a different way of thinking or living, contrary to the uneducated clerics and imams ranting.

    Oh and here in Can. being ‘provoked’ is a defense for murder.
    What a joke, eh?

    Unfortunately I see my country embracing the rot of the social ‘progressiveness’ of Europe … Hey lets follow a failed social system, because it’s adored by the LSM and the equally uneducated hollyweird crowd, just about as retarded as a situation can get.
    Now the terrorizing Tamil Tigers are protesting and blocking our city streets (Ottawa & Toronto), major arteries, highways, chanting death to whomever…waving their flags of hate, stopping working folks from commuting to work. Our police forces are now trained in appeasement, not public order.

    Hope we wake up soon.

  39. 39. Mr.X

    To most of the comments left above mine. I am the victims family and its been more then 2 years since the horific tragedy of killing two innocnet engaged couple,but yet i am in a state of shock. Just want to clarify the fact that, the accused killer who has committed this haneous crime is only muslim by name, he might not even know his existence and the creator who has created him. I am sure he doesnt know how to pray either, so is such person is called muslim? Islam has never encouraged and never will to committ murder. Its a religion of peace, the so called muslims who are part of terrorist groups,gangs and are killers are only muslim by name not nature. A true muslim by nature cannot be emotionally provoked to committe such in humane crime. So before generalizing the whole religion of Islam and all muslims, lets be logical and more factual before about Islam. We all pray that the accused killer should get life imprisonment, although he deserves a death penalty but unfortunately it was abolished in late 60′s.

  40. 40. Don

    Mr. X, you are part of the problem. Face reality. Deal with the truth. Just because you don’t like the truth doesn’t mean it’s not true. Islam is the cancer of the planet, the bane to all women, a threat to all nonMuslims, and the world will be a much better place when the West finally wakes up and has taken all it can take from Islam and systematically destroys it and kills all those who insist on following this barbaric cult.

  41. 41. Danielle

    I am very embarrassed by most of the hateful comments towards the religion Islam. I myself am not a Muslim, but I cannot find the strength to say such horrific things about anothers beliefs.

    I have studied religion for 7 years now, I must say, if you people have actually read about the religions Islam, then you will know it’s a peaceful religion just as any other.

    I’ve been following these wars for 15 years, I have traveled to Islamic countries as well, watched their news along with the Canadian, American, and European. Each has different stories and news.

    If Islam is a hateful religion, then so much be Christianity? The American, European soldiers raping children, taking advantage of their power is OK? Before you say such hateful things of a religion, please know what you’re talking about.

  42. 42. CAP

    “Hasibullah was both abused by and yet modelled himself after an abusive paternal role model. Psychology 101.” obama is in the same mold. Hopefully we won;t allow ourselves to be “victimized” by barbaric behavior.

  43. 43. gsw

    @Norman Simms:
    Your suggestion of pork fat would be a waste of good pig.

    Actually, Allah doesn’t allow eunuchs into Paradise, so maybe the threat of castration just before their (natural?) death would make a better deterrent for so-called honour killers.

    Oh, and yes I am a vegetarian.

  44. 44. Afghan Girl

    I would just like to clarify a few things.
    Honour killings are cultural, not religious.
    Islam forbids honour killings. It is not an “Islamic act”, nowhere in the Qura’an does it say that. Murder, by any name, is one of the biggest sins in Islam.

    “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepar…ed for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)

    The only reason why people say it’s an Islamic Act, is because they want to make themselves believe it is. It’s stupid Mullah’s who read and each the Qura’an, not even knowing what they are saying (translation) and not even pronouncing it properlly.

    It was Hassib’s father that taught him Honour killings are okay according to Islam, and that he needs to bring back the lost honour. And it was Hassib’s mistake for not researching this himself, and if he had thought before he acted, no doubt would he find that any murder (especially of a Muslim) is 100% haram (a sin).

    Allah (swa) has a special punishment for those people.

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    Since I’m already here defending Islam,
    I would just like to say Islam does not allow beating of a wife, sister, mother etc.
    If a husband is upset with his wife, there is a procedure he needs to follow.

    (a) admonition and advice, by explaining the unlawfulness of rebellion, its harmful effect on married life, and by listening to her viewpoint on the matter;
    (b) if admonition is ineffectual, he keeps from her by not sleeping in bed with her, by which both learn the degree to which they need each other;
    (c) if keeping from her is ineffectual, it is permissible for him to hit her if he believes that hitting her will bring her back to the right path, though if he does not think so, it is not permissible. His hitting her may not be in a way that injures her, meaning he may not (bruise her), break bones, wound her, or cause blood to flow.
    (d) if the disagreement does not end after all this, each partner chooses an arbitrator to solve the dispute by settlement, or divorce.

    Think of how lightly you would have to hit a women, so that you do not bruise her, or put marks on her skin.
    This means you can tap her, and not even repeatidly.

    I hope this brights a little more light to true Islam.
    Islam means peace.
    This is like the excuse that people use the term Jihad to kill, when really Jihad is a religious struggle with yourself.

    I completely understand why people have the wrong notion of Islam. But it is not fair to be judged on uneducated people. These are the actions of people who were taught wrong, by people who don’t know what they are talking about. Yes, I am Afghan, and yes sometimes the way some Afghan’s think upset me, if they only educated themselves with the right resources, our country and religion would have so much more respect.

    RIP Khatera Jaan and Feroz Jaan. You are missed, and it’s a great tragedy that the world is now without you.
    Hassib, you may be in prison now, but you still have to face Allah.

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