Three of Mowe’s initial five examples involve men killing and beheading male strangers. Only two involve men killing women and female children whom they either lived with or whom they barely knew. In 2001, Harrell Johnson killed and beheaded his four year old stepdaughter. Upon closer inspection it turns out that this heartless killer, Harrell Johnson, was high on alcohol and the hallucinogenic drug PCP when he killed, then beheaded, his four year old stepdaughter, Erica Michelle Marie Green. He decapitated her with hedge clippers, and then, with her own mothers’ after-the-fact help, scattered her remains, not because his “honor” had been involved but because he wished to evade being caught. His tactic worked for four years. He was not found until 2005.
Mowe’s second murder which involved a femicide and beheading, took place in 2009, at Virginia Tech University. Haiyang Zhu, a Chinese graduate student first befriended, then beheaded another Chinese graduate student, Xin Yang, when she refused to sleep with him. They did not know each other well.
Although in both these cases, men killed and beheaded women in North America, they are not honor killings. In these two cases, beheading is not related to any known cultural or religious practice. In one of these two murders, there was a craven, criminal desire to avoid being apprehended.
The other three murders on Mowe’s lists are by men of men who were either outright strangers or who were certainly not domestic intimates. Mowe’s third killing was a horrific “thrill killing” in Canton, Ohio, by 18 year old Jean Pierre Orlewicz. The victim, a 26 year old man, who may have been classified as a sex offender, apparently owed Orlewicz a sum of money. Mowe’s fourth killing involved William Perry, a North Canton, Ohio, man who killed his neighbor after an unsuccessful robbery, and who then “tried to hide the crime by mutilating the victim’s body.” (Is this a copycat beheading? I ask because it took place in the same geographical area as the third killing.) Mowe’s fifth murder took place in 2008, on a Greyhound bus in Canada. The killer, a recent Chinese immigrant, Vince Weiguang Li, who had been released from a psychiatric unit where he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, suddenly stabbed, then beheaded a male stranger, Tim McClean.
By definition, these other heinous, bizarre murders are not honor killings. I do not think they can all be classified in one way. Drugs, alcohol, and mental illness seem to have played a role in some, but not all of these murders. Although there was media coverage of these crimes, the world does not “know” about these murders. They are not on our emotional radar. And why? Because they do not reverberate in sync with the jihadic era in which we collectively find ourselves. Such beheadings are atrocious crimes, perhaps evidence of great personal pathology. They are not part of a visible political-religious onslaught as the one which is currently pandemic both in the Islamic world and in the West, as Islamic customs penetrate our world.
Mowe himself is from Malaysia. I mention this because, like other racially marginalized groups in the West, Mowe may be overly sensitive to white, western racism. Aasiya’s beheading in Buffalo provides him with an opportunity to air his own–and the grievances of other non-white races. While understandable, Mowe is viewing an Islamic beheading in New York State through the prism of white western racism which for him, trumps sexism and blinds him to it.
Mowe is using/abusing Aasiya’s beheading in order to divert attention away from its Islamic component. In so doing, he fails to differentiate an honor killing, which is perpetrated by one’s own family; from an Islamic al-Qaeda beheading on behalf of jihad; from Islamic state sponsored beheadings, such as those that take place in Saudi Arabia; and from the beheadings of “disobedient” or infidel young girls and women that are taking place in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq.
Above all, although he directs readers to a rather grisly website which features photos of beheadings, the photos are not captioned. It is unclear when and where such photos were taken. Most of the beheading “art” photos seem dated, old-fashioned; some are of paintings such as that of the Biblical Judith holding the head of Holofernes. Does Mowe (or this site) mean to suggest that beheading is a Jewish custom as well? It is not. But the Jews who lived in ancient Israel or Judea/the Holy Land, encountered many barbaric practices which still exist among Muslims today. Such practices include beheading, stoning, mutilation, the public display of a severed head and a mutilated body, the desecration of a corpse and its display, etc.
Why would Mowe have such an interest in beheading as “art?” Why would he wish to minimize the fact that beheadings are a signature and Qu’ranically based method of Islamic murder? Might the fact that he is a Jesuit priest who specializes in Islam and who currently teaches at Georgetown University play any role here at all?
I am only raising these questions because at this moment in history, most infidels who are involved in “interfaith” work, (Mowe is a Jesuit expert in Islam), tend to function as dhimmis, third class citizens, in relation to their Muslim benefactors who fund conferences and research. Georgetown alone was recently the recipient of a twenty million dollar Saudi grant for a Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. According to Georgetown University:
“In December 2005, the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding (CMCU) received a $20 million dollar gift from HRH Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, an internationally renowned businessman and global investor, to support and expand the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. The Center was renamed the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding (ACMCU). This endowed fund is the second largest single gift in Georgetown University history.”
I have no idea if Mowe is in any way related to this Center; whether he has participated in any of their conferences or talked to or worked with any of the Center’s members.
Mowe does say that China and Chinese people might be heavily involved in beheadings. Mowe’s heart is in Asia. Therefore, I find it shocking that he has utterly failed to mention the most recent and prominent beheadings in Indonesia which were of three young Christian schoolgirls whom Islamists killed, decapitated, and placed their heads in plastic bags and left them near their church.
Finally, Mowe suggests that even domestic violence is not really a widespread problem among Muslims because a) other religions are also patriarchal; b) other Catholics have expressed misogynist thoughts to him; c) “the lives of millions of Muslim couples are not marked by domestic violence and do not end in murder.”
Dear Brother Mowe: Have you ever walked in the shoes of any Muslim woman? Do you have any idea what price, in terms of obedience and submission they may have had to pay in order to remain alive? Do you know anything about the domestic violence that goes unreported and unprosecuted in general and, one must assume, among Muslim couples too?
I wonder if the extraordinary rush to proclaim the beheading of Aasiya Z. Hassan as having nothing to do with an honor killing or with Islam might be due to one other factor. Dr. Nancy H. Kobrin suggests that:
“The Muslim who engages in an honor killing clearly reveals that he has not integrated into the West. We know that there are immigrant Muslim communities in Europe who have not integrated, they exist as ‘parallel’ communities. We also know that, according to the study released by The Centre for the Study of Social Cohesion in the UK, that there is an overlay with where you find terrorist behavior.”
In other words: Wherever there are parallel Islamic communities you will probably find terrorists breeding plots against the West–look for them wherever women are being harshly treated, rendered subordinate, in a fundamentalist kind of way.
Parallel communities, parallel mentalities. The Muslim communities in Europe no longer pretend to be part of Europe. It is overwhelmingly clear that they are “parallel” communities. The much smaller Muslim population in America also exists in parallel communities in certain sections of certain cities in the America. But their many spokespeople pretend that Dallas, Dearborn, Jersey City, St. Paul-Minneapolis and areas in California are really, truly, Americanized populations.
Many Muslim and ex-Muslim individuals are truly assimilated westerners; many have fled Islamist ways and have taken shelter with and assumed sophisticated, transnational, urban identities. And yet: When an apparently Islamic barbarity, like the beheading of a wife, takes place in America, there is an immediate fear that America, like Europe, might also be harboring “parallel communities.”
Hence there is a rush to deny that this might be so.
I understand. Americans do not want to behave in “racist” ways, nor do they want to “profile” anyone, especially a Muslim, especially because so many Muslims have been funding terrorism against America, Israel, and Europe. We are better than that. We believe that a person must be considered innocent until proven guilty; that each person must be judged on a case-by-case basis and never judged in terms of their cultural, political, or religious beliefs. To our credit, we believe in the right to a fair trial.
This approach is indeed commendable, but perhaps dangerous, in times of war, and when terrorists are plotting to destroy us.
NEWSFLASH: Daniel Pipes has called my attention to a piece by Asra Nomani which covers the history of domestic violence in the Hassan marriage. You may read it HERE and at The Daily Beast HERE
This history details various incidents of domestic violence both towards Aasiya and towards all four children and includes the approximate dates when Assiya obtained Orders of Protection. This information is, of course, very relevant. As I’ve written many times before, the Hassan femicide is probably a “hybrid” femicide. It has some features of Pakistani-style domestic violence towards a wife, (including her need to ask her husband for permission to do the simplest things in western terms), but coupled with an Islamic/Pakistani method of murder: Beheading.
Nomani, a religious Muslim feminist, whose work I generally admire, has joined the very long line of people who are insisting, as per above, that domestic violence has nothing to do with Islam; that the Hassan femicide is not an honor killing; that honor killings also have nothing to do with Islam; nor do beheadings.She is not even suggesting that an honor killing or a beheading is a very extreme form of domestic violence.
It seems that the stakes are perceived to be very high, namely, that the Hassan case has the power, symbolically, to influence America’s views about Islam; that view, whether Islam is more like the Judeo-Christian legacy or not; whether Muslims practice peace because they are following the Qu’ran–or whether the opposite is true. What view Americans will come to hold might influence many public policies, including, eventually, that of immigration.
Why are Liberal/Secular/Marxist Americans in denial about beheadings?
It has been shown that liberalism is a mental disorder of failed development. Liberals are, in essence, still children in the way they interpret and deal with the inevitable challenges of life.
Children look to their parents to look after them, protect them and bail them out when they get into trouble. Liberals look to the government as a massive surrogate parent.
A classically childish way of dealing with life is denial and magical thinking.
The more intensely Liberals attempt to explain away beheading and the Muslim threat the more we can be sure they are terrified of it. Rather than face it direclty, honestly and courageously, as most fully grown adults do, they escape into elaborate intellectual confabulations to relieve their overwhelming fear. They also attempt to relieve their anxiety by shifting the blame to others, “Conservatives have angered the Muslims, if we are nice they will be nice back”. Is this any different than a 5 year old’s first attempt to understand the bully in the sandbox?
People, and thus nations, don’t change until the pain from their wrong actions becomes so great that they are forced to. That is why all adult Americans should today be prepared for increasing chaos, conflict and disintegration, possibly civil war.
School shootings, collapsing economies, crime, squalor, chaos…are all the natural consquences from specific behaviors and attitudes Americans are choosing in our daily lives. Until those change, we will continue to get the same results.
Let’s see . . . .
We have undercover footage from the main mosques in the UK stating with perfect clarity and candor, ” If she doesn’t wear hijab, we hit her.” (See Dispatches: Undercover mosque)
I’ve read account after account in the past year alone in which honor killings in islamic countries are exclused, even lauded by the larger community.
This particular story comes to mind:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/girl-17-killed-in-iraq-for-loving-a-british-soldier-816301.html
Money quote:
” . . . Rand Abdel-Qader was stamped upon, suffocated and stabbed by her father, then given an unceremonious burial to emphasise her disgrace. Police released her father without charge two hours after his arrest.
“Not much can be done when we have an honour killing case,” said Sergeant Ali Jabbar of Basra police. “You are in a Muslim society and women should live under religious laws. . . ”
for G*d sakes, we have whole COUNTRIES in which gender aparteid and horrendous dress codes are imposed by 1). morality police in public at the point of a gun; and by 2). fathers, brothers and husbands in private in accordance with Q 4:34, and every last bit of this intimidation and terror has one purpose – to maintain women in a state of constant submission to islam and islamic law.
While it is conceivable that this beheading was not a classic honor killing – I’m not sure we have enough information to know for sure – to declare that honor crimes are indistinguishable from run of the mill domestic violence almost beggars belief (and I suspect that many of these apologists secretly understand this, but are somehow unable to integrate the information into their world view).
Tom
Your analysis is pure brain dead right wing ranting and sloganeering at its worst, save it for the next time you call up fellow psycho Michael Savage to rant on his show. To call it anti-intellectual would be charitable, stay on topic! Onr of the first ones to denounce this crime was the head of NY State NOW, hardly a contard like you.
So what should we do Phyllis
Earlier this week, NPR (National Palestinian Radio) used the beheadings to introduce a program on domestic violence. Of course, they never got back to the beheadings, nor did they once mention that violence against women is virtually a tenant of Islam. And never did they mention that the press gives muslims a “pass” on this sort of behavior in a way that other hairbrained sects can only dream of. Remember the way that radical Mormon sect that was portrayed all over the media last year? Every time the story was mentioned, it was in the context of abuse of women (14-year old brides of polygimists) and children (allegations of physical and sexual abuse), not to mention crass coments about the women’s dress and hair. Would any mass media outlet dare to present stories of muslim abuses in the same “hammer-it-home” manner? Not on your jihad! Cowards, every last one of them!
Omar & Horace…the two ass-clowns who stand up for the whacko Islamists.
Go cry into your curry breath. You STINK.
Phyllis, thank you for your insightful posts and for adding me to your emails. You are a CHAMPION for the cause of women and children suffering under the ugly rule of Islam.
My heart aches when I read your posts…so much horror.
People have skewered Betty Mahmoody for telling the truth about this evil, dispicable mindset.
Let’s put all questions to rest…
ISLAM = DEATH
Not ‘Peace’..Not ‘kindness’…and the victims of Islam know better but are helpless to fend for themselves and this is the heart wrenching part of it all.
Your voice rings loud and clear.
Blessings to you, kind lady.
There’s something extra disgusting about beheadings. Especially the way these islamists do it with hand knives. I don’t understand how a human being could show so much savagery to a fellow human being. No matter how much you hate them. As much as I hate terrorists I don’t really have the desire to slowly slice their head off with a knife. That’s just barbaric. And to see them teaching and encouraging young kids to do this kind of thing like we’ve seen with children beheading people in Afghanistan is just sickening. And all because of islamic religious scipture… These people are truely scum. I have no moral restraints for our military killing these animals. Frankly they deserve to die. And it just further demonstrates the violent barbarity of islam. Imagine if Jesus was running around beheading people and what kind of example that would set for modern day Christians.
In the article you mention ‘depending which interpretation of the Qur’an you follow.., I wonder which interpretation were YOU following when you said …’a beheading may also prevent the beheaded Muslim from entering paradise’?
Could you please be professional enough to qoute from the interpretation of that Quran you are referring to!?
3. You used about 30% of your post to name-call. Sure glad you can rise above “anti-intellectual” expression.
And then you say “so what should be done Phyllis”….
Considering your perspective, why should anything have to be done? Good grief, it’s all been taken care of…the police were notified and NOW has denounced the crime. So just start toting up statistics.
Of course, a lot of trouble could have been saved by checking with Daniel Pearl, the Jewish journalist, and believing the cause and effect in that situation.
Oh, that’s right. He lost his head to Islamists and is no longer available to comment.
Horace, your post’s language is deliberately inciteful. It appears the only way your ilk knows how to be. Some day you will learn you don’t get respect until you give.
Horace: Methinks Tom hit a sore spot. Typical lefty juvenile tantrum rather than consider that Tom might be right.
Horace, you made no specific or rational rebuttals to any of Tom’s arguments (comment no. 1) but instead resorted to name-calling, which is typical behavior of liberals and children. You proved Tom’s thesis.
Delia:
Huh?
Blackwater said ” I don’t understand how a human being could show so much savagery to a fellow human being.”
Of course you don’t. No sane human can understand such barbarity. They are possessed. Committing evil at the biding of the most evil one. Seriously, remember the story in the Bible where Jesus casts out all those demons (“legion”, I believe it named itself)? Well, those demons went someplace after the pigs went over the cliff.
uhoh, i think this comment might just have the crazies labeling me a “right wing whackjob”. that’s ok. i know i’m in good company.
12. Omar:
Delia:
Huh?
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Omar,
Maybe English isn’t your first language? Your post [especially the ending paragraph] lost me.
My sincere apologies for the misunderstanding on my part.
Delia, you’ve completely misinterpreted Omar’s comment. I don’t know how one can read this —
“…to declare that honor crimes are indistinguishable from run of the mill domestic violence almost beggars belief (and I suspect that many of these apologists secretly understand this, but are somehow unable to integrate the information into their world view).”
– and conclude that he’s in any way defending honor killings. On the contrary, he’s saying that it’s mindboggling that anyone could state that honor killings are indistinguishable from run of the mill domestic violence as Westerners would generally define it. You indeed owe Omar an apology.
What is this attempt to protray decapitation as a uniquely Arab or Muslim form of homicide? It was the capital punishment of choice in the West unti very recently. The guillotine (an “improved” form of decapitation) was used in France until 1977 (just 31 years ago). One of the oldest accounts of a beheading is in the Bible which tells us that after Goliath fell to the ground as a result of David’s slingshot hit to the head, Goliath was beheaded. King Herod had John the Baptist beheaded to please his stepdaughter Salome.
It’s clear that the liberals are just scared to death of the muslims.
Delia:
No problem (I DO struggle at times), but you gave me quite a start! For sure, that is the first time I’ve been accused of being an apologist for islam:)
@14
Kirly – are you suggesting those that behead their family members are “possessed”, and therefore NOT responsbile for their atrocity?
. . . And now we have THIS lovely news, courtesy of the PRESIDENT OF CHECHNYA:
“GROZNY, Russia: The bullnecked president of Chechnya emerged from afternoon prayers at the mosque and with chilling composure explained why seven young women who had been shot in the head deserved to die.
Ramzan Kadyrov said the women, whose bodies were found dumped by the roadside, had “loose morals” and were rightfully shot by male relatives in honor killings.
“If a woman runs around and if a man runs around with her, both of them are killed,” Kadyrov told journalists in the capital of this Russian republic . . .”
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/02/28/europe/EU-Russia-Ruling-Chechnya.php
_________________
(Of course, as is the common state of affairs in such matters, it appears that only the WOMEN were murdered and dumped by the side of the road!)
“As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them.” Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great
The messenger of the Islamic Deity condones the physical abuse of women for disobedience. First speak to them, then banish them, and then scourge them. If they finally obey do no seek another way against them.
The beheaded women had a history of being beaten by the man and was seeking divorce. She stepped over the last line and he sought another way against her. If he had beheaded her, slit her throat, suffocated her, it was the first command of the messenger of Allah to “scourge” that starts the cycle of violence ending in death.
So in the end Islam plays a part in the beheading of this woman, there is no doubt, and willful blindness will not negate that. It is from the command of the Islamic God that this cycle of violence begins and in her death ended.
Lets face it, domestic violence is wrong at all times. But to imply this was anything other than an honor killing, ignores the reality at hand.
Honor killing is domestic violence in its most extreme manifestation. But honor killing is honor killing. The man felt he lost his honor when his westernized wife decided to divorce him. She already had a restraining order against him, so she knew he might try something religiously idiotic. The possibility or threat of honor killings are used against all women in Islam, not just wives. Honor killings are done under the false notion of restoration of a man’s or the families honor. What hokum!
Whether you call be-heading an honor killing or domestic violence in its most extreme form, it is despicable.
To try to pass off this crime as merely domestic violence without calling it an honor killing is an attempt at cultural relativism & it stinks to high heaven.
The west cannot hide from the very real fact that many practitioners of Islam participate in honor killings & justify those actions as culturally acceptable since they are religiously oriented. More hokum.
Murder is murder, under any pretext!
But we must recognize this killing as an honor killing & keep track of these actions to demonstrate how distant our cultures are & to explain to members of the Islamic faith that if they wish to come to the west, they must abandon this practice & in fact must condemn it if they ever expect to acclimate or assimilate into the society they have immigrated to. Otherwise, Islamic immigrants may as well go back home, because in the west, we will not accept honor killings as an acceptable cultural or religious practice that excuses the murder of a human being, just to restore the false notion of family or male honor!
The sooner western feminists stop trying to equate typical domestic violence w/ radical Islamic practices of be-heading, the sooner they will gain some credibility. However, western feminists have probably already destroyed their opportunity to establish themselves as credible, long ago.
ked5, absolutely not. possession happens willingly. you let the evil in; you allow it to do it’s work.
Omar,
(((BIG HUG))) & BIGGER *KISS on your cheek*
Sorry again, hon. I think the trolls here have infected my brain. Time for Delia to take a breather.
Have a wonderful weekend,
Delia =0)
@26
glad to hear it. I also consider these barbarians completely in control of their actions. Therefore, they’re “sane” (technically) because they did have a choice.
Good article! And we need to put a ‘body count’ on MSM that go out of their way to justify, downplay beheadings like this.
Even stranger, last I heard the killer in Buffalo was charged with 2nd Degree Murder… Take a HIKE!!! This was 1st Degree Murder, if anything, it was premeditated, planned in advance!
We need a very specific clause in signed immigration papers here that if you’re not going to assimilate in American life, it’s immediate deportation, following prison sentence if justified and found guilty in trial.
Honor Killings are NOT a part of American Life!!! Or culture.
-Pat
Dishonor killings have certain distinct qualities. One of them is that the killer often reports his deed and turns himself in to the authorities. That is what Mr. Hassan did after beheading his wife.
Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
“Reclaiming Honor in Jordan”
http://www.redroom.com/author/ellen-r-sheeley
Honor killings have been (or still are) a cultural characteristic observed in several places, including southern Europe and Hindu regions of India. The Islamic prohibition of “fitna” extends to honor killings. “Fitna” covers actions that destabilize society, that involve lawlessness or that violate due process of law.
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:
“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.
First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments. Therefore, a Muslim should not sanction such killing because doing so will be leading to the rule of the law of the jungle. A civilized society cannot be run by such laws.”
The United Nation’s Special Rapporteur on such matters reported that legislative provisions allowing for partial or complete defense in the context of honor killings could be found in the penal codes of Argentina, Ecuador, Egypt, Guatemala, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Peru, Syria, Venezuela and the Palestinian National Authority. You will note that FOUR of the countries whose penal code allows a murderer to be set free under a defense of honor killing are Roman Catholic countries.
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The Mowe you know the less you like it.
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This is a very deceptive post indeed, Ben E.
First, and most obviously: several islamic countries in which honor killings are known to be widely practiced but never prosecuted are notably absent from your list. These countries condone/tolerate honor killing pursuant to Shariah law (which is widely known and understood by the populace), while avoiding the censure involved in publically enacting such strictures into black letter law. Thus, for all intents and purposes, your list should also include Saudi Arabia, Iraq (I earlier quoted an article in which the Basra police chief, in SPECIFIC deference to islam and islamic law, declined to prosecute a father who murdered his daughter), Pakistan, Yemen, Chechnya (per my earlier quote in which the PRESIDENT OF THE FRICKIN’ COUNTRY just publically endorsed the honor murders of SEVEN WOMEN), Yemen, and probably at least another fifteen to twenty states that are either governed by or heavily influenced by shariah law.
Second, a woman caught violating islamic norms in an islamic country, especially in any kind of public way, stands a VERY REAL chance of being seriously injured or killed. For women, theses are classic “fear” societies in which the whole life and identity of their family, community, country is bound up in controlling the clothing, movement, associations, sexuality of women. In short, they are gender apartied societies in which women must constantly gauge and control their interactions so as not to run afoul of islamic law. . . .On the other hand, judging by their particular acceptance and interest in beauty pageants and revealing swim wear, Argentina and Venezuela are NOT “fear societies” which organize themselves around terrorizing and controlling all aspects of a woman’s life.
These are two major differences which occur to me off the top of my head, but I’m sure I could come up with many, many more.
Nobody listen to BenE; he is engaging in taqqiya.
#28 ked5 – ah, i see your point. but, would you not say that once the evil is allowed in, sanity departs?
The Truth!
Islam is a violent religion that must be totally eradicated off the face of the earth. I suggest that we start with a small Nuke on Iran perhaps the size of one that we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII. Perhaps that will help these terrible people abandon this world evil. I see no positive in this religion for the world as it teaches hatered, fear and nontolorance for anything or anybody else. It is pure evil! It’s obvious that it flourishes and prays on uneducated, uncivilized, poor places where people have no hope. They are hungry, cold and oppressed. We must end this evil! Start burning mosques and move all muslin dogs to Iran. Put them on boats and send them out of your country.
#37:
Plant?
Horace, other than the fact that Tom’s opening comment was 100% accurate, what is your problem with it?
Of course honour killings, beheadings and domestic violence are the same. They have happened all the time in the west, for ages.
Doesn’t anyone remember all those other beheadings?/sarc off
Its surely not for lack of information on Islam and the engines of evil intention that drives it that it appears so many prefer not to see. Nor deal with as it infiltrates and insinuates itself unto the bowels of our land. Instigation of chaos, assault and usurpation of its target – democracies. The alter of Islam’s deign is defined in its hatred of the givers of life itself – women.
Pls see incredible site on Islam
Prophet of Doom – Islamic Quotes – Women
http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Women.Islam
Prophet of Doom – Islamic Quotes – Terrorism
Also – http://www.islamreview.com to enable argument based on facts that informs Islam and jihad – “Holy” war against our world.
Susan: This is not a domestic violence issue! It is an Islamic/Muslin right and the devil Allah says to do it. Has nothing to do with the nut cases in the west who slap around or even murder their wife because they are nuts. It has everything to do with an evil violent religion that consider women something you own and you can do what ever you want with. They treat women like dogs!
Tom’ opening comment is near sited, short on facts and senseless. In any society no matter what there are always domestic and social cast offs. There are always school shooting – wife beatings – murders and yes Tom as you so stated it failed economies. All of these acts certainly were not invented by and are certainly not championed by any western democratic civilizations or their cross-town liberals. Although by world standards America is nowhere near a “Failed Economy”. It is obvious you have never been or seen anywhere else in the world. I suggest that you run over to Iran or perhaps N. Korea or maybe even take a summer trip to Venezuela. I think Africa is somewhere you should go. As far as beheadings of women and this story these are things that are sanctioned, encouraged and united by not only the devil muslin religion but are insisted upon. If women don’t cover their faces, they are beat and can be killed. You Tom need to understand how truly evil this devil religion is and how we as Americans and the only hope for the world to rid this evil must first have a full understanding on what evil it really is. There is no way you can compare a viloent religious act against women like this to anything that happens in western civilization. It just aint the same!
Rodger Harris
In my comment I put “/sarc off”.
Do you know what that means? It doesn’t look like you do.
Suggest you do a bit more ‘blog postings to get with the program.
Only an idiot would say it was domestic violence.
My comment was sarcastic.
Wow. In 1999, Senator Orrin Hatch expressed worries that including gender bias in federal hate crime laws would open the door to too many federal prosecutions — a problem solved at the state level states through the quiet, unwritten policy of applying “gender bias” laws only to cases involving transvestites, transgendered people and cross-dressers — and not biologically born females.
Joining Hatch in his concern about the “problem” of too much violence against women that could be counted as bias crime — thus “diluting” the impact of these laws (presumably, the ideological impact) were Bill Clinton, Eric Holder, and Abe Foxman. All four men strongly supported hate crime laws but didn’t want the laws applied to violence directed at women as women — because there was too much of it.
Where does that leave us with the Buffalo case? Gender bias hate crime is on the books in New York, though it is not being used in cases of offenders who serially chose female targets, use sexist slurs while attacking women, or even defile female victims’ bodies — literally branding their gender-bias intent on their victims. I suggest Eric Holder be called upon to explain his position on women and bias crime law enforcement. I suggest that Abe Foxman weigh in — this is a good moment for him to clarify why it is that the ADL has such a troubling history on gender bias and women. Ditto Bill Clinton. Ditto Orrin Hatch. Ditto the New York Times, which says not one word on the subject while reporting extensively on cases where other types of slurs were directed at other types of victims.
And also the N.O.W., which has been very deceptive on this issue — supporting the “inclusion” of the gender bias category to their membership and publicly while being fully aware that it is not and will not, by unwritten policy, be used for biologically-born female victims of “bias crime.” N.O.W. members need to wake up.
Thank you, thank you for keeping this subject alive. I am deeply troubled that Georgetown, and a spokesperson for my faith, would work so hard to minimize what is being done to females. We should all be ashamed.
Being a female and obviously not real bright or educated you should understand about blogs. Your “sarc off” should come at the beginning of your post. Not at the end where it only sets the tone for the last sentenance. So I suggest you get your head out of what every female body part you have it in and listen!
Another instance of the bloody islamo divorce ritual.
I wonder if he’ll like his new life partner and “cell brotha” Bubba better than he did his ex.
Maybe in the joint the’ll dub him “The Headless Whoresman”
*dark humor/off*
Quite an interesting argument but there are some factual flaws in it that undermine your reasoning:
“In many cases of domestic violence/femicides, drugs and alcohol are often involved. Such murderers often kill themselves at the scene of the crime. ”
No, they don’t.
I quite liked this: “The serial killer in the West who beheads prostitutes is no longer visible in our consciousness.”
Maybe because he doesn’t film it and put it on YourHeadInATube for all to see?
The intellectual chaos surrounding all this stuff is disheartening, and very much a sign of our troubled times.
There are important but simple questions to be answered here, and the methods of getting correct answers have been well known for centuries and getting more refined and sophisticated with every passing decade.
What the rest of the world wants, indeed needs to know, is whether importing mohammedan immigrants is a source of danger, particularly in this case, to women. And is this particular murder an indicator that that might be the case?
Unfortunately for the inquirer, one cannot call up say, the saudi police for statistics on criminal violence against women, because the saudi police regularly commit criminal violence against women and don’t consider it as crime, so the numbers aren’t recorded.
One finds the same to be true in many parts of the mohammedan block.
I think there may be a clue in there someplace ;->
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More to the point, we have to recognize that there is an act of will involved in understanding.
I’ll say that another way. One can want to understand and try to understand. And one can refuse to understand.
There has to be some willingness to accept facts and logic.
We have a say in the contents and focus of our own minds. It is one of the wonderful and terrible things about being human.
Much of what passes for debate and thought on subjects like this is actually nothing of the sort. It is a charade. Sometimes for instrumental purposes (to influence someone’s choices) sometimes for emotional purposes — but a charade nonetheless.
All too often, someone uses the forms of debate, study or even scholarship to spew out reams of pure crap that the rest of us end up wasting hours listening to, or reading and refuting.
Score: The Liars +1 Hour / The truthful -1 hour. Liars win!
Sometimes it is useful to sharpen one’s intellectual claws, so to speak, on refuting crap. It can be good practice, even fun.
But we have to remember that the objects to whom the reporting of truth must be directed are the innocent and the rational, not the enemy. It is, after all, the enemy’s job to sow confusion and waste time.
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To judge by what P. Chesler wrote above, this Mowe character is probably a pretty good example of what I am talking about.
I’m not passionately interested in whether he is a conscious collaborator or a useful idiot. Either way, he is wasting time by wrapping his mere refusal to understand the facts before his eyes in an elaborate dressing of thoughtful-sounding exposition.
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BTW, just for the record, I think that we will find that the mohammedan cultures will present us with a whole category of culturally conventionalized violence of various sorts.
I believe that the present murder falls into one of the subcategories that will emerge from further research, similar to and related to, but in some ways distinct from the slaughter of recalcitrant daughters (or sisters or cousins) commonly referred to as “honor” killings.
I am also convinced that all these murders and the violence leading up to them are firmly grounded not merely in the koran, but more particularly in the tales of mohammed’s life in the sura, the hadiths, and the tradition of jurisprudence based on all three of those.
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Finally the I think the fact that violence toward and murder of women is more common, conventional and frequent among mohammedans is so glaringly obvious that the burden of proof is now on the other side.
Let those that insist otherwise prove their assertion. And let us merely grade them on the quality of their proofs.
It shouldn’t be hard work. Normally their attempts at proof are laughably feeble.
Well said, Joeblough! And it’s BECAUSE the arguments in defense of islam are so “laughably feeble” that muslims and their apologists are working so frantically right now to enact legislation against “defamation of religion” and to criminalize the act of “causing offense to islam and islamic sensibilities.”
#49 is right on target.
Perhaps when the accused is tried in court, he may describe his motive for beheading his estranged wife. If he committed this crime in accordance with his interpretation of his creed, perhaps he will state this. If indeed this is the case, perhaps he will believe that a court will recognise the restricted options available to him in the circumstances of his marital difficulties, which put sever pressure upon everyone. If he is convinced that his actions were righteous, in accordance with his faith, it is probable that he will be unapollogetic and so people who are on record as having denied that this is an islamic honour killing will doubtless have the decency to admit that they were wrong. Perhaps muslims will be able to pursuade the judge that because his crime was necessary in accordance to his religious convictions, he should receive a leniency from the court which would not be extended to Christians, Jews, Budhists, Sikhs, Wiccans, etc. Did not President Obama state that rights, previously defined as universal in the US constitution were to be redefined as relative to which minority one was a member of?
“honor” killing = hate crimes
susan parsons: – I did not see your Sarc Off Sorry! I apologize to you for my earlier comments about you. I misunderstood your post. Perhaps that is the issue here we just don’t take time to attempt to fully understand each other. I do however fail to see anything about Islam or the Muslin community that helps mankind. It seems to flourish in countries that are poor, uneducated and where their people have no hope. We take a lot for granted here is the USA but I cannot think of anyplace that I would rather live. You can really worship or believe in whom or whatever you want – just “Don’t Tread On Me”. Islam seems to me to want to take away any basic human rights as I see them. This is just another case where Islam seems to champion and encourage a behavior that is totally unacceptable. Women have to cover their faces, can’t be educated, can’t travel, and can’t drive a car, must walk behind men. Yikes I certainly hope that we can stop it. I somehow think that we do fully understand the intent of this evil.
Folks;
Honor killing of women is a regional problem, not an Islamic one. The country with the highest percentage of honor killings is Pakistan. They are virtually unknown in Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country.
And yes, Christan Arabs occasionally do them too.
Aristotle’s Toes:
I beg your pardon, honor killing happen in many Muslim countries besides Pakistan. In Iraq, for example. They are happening now in Bosnia, in Europe, not to mention the 7 women just executed by the animals in control of Chechnya.
Bill Clinton had no business bombing Serbia. The Muslims did not even thanked him. By doing so, he erased the battle of Poitiers (Tours) in 732, and the lifting of the siege of Vienna in 1529. Already Saudi money is changing Bosnia, women that cover themselves from head to toe are given 500 Euros (more than one month salary there), several Imans are already preaching hate and anti-semitism, things at what they are experts.
How can Beheadings be related to Islam? Didn’t president Shrub tell us all that Islam was a religion of peace?
MS.CHESLER;Beheadings are related to Islam? Yes,in the same way that late-term abortions are related to western secularism;all societies kill;what’s your point?
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