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Jews: To The Muslim Gas Chamber.

January 30, 2009 - 4:55 pm - by Phyllis Chesler
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Dr. Kobrin calls this “psychological splitting. They want to have it both ways.” What she means is that the Palestinian propagandists and Muslim jihadists want to both identify with the Nazis as triumphant, death-cult destroyers–and also with the (past) and preferred sacred status accorded to dead Jewish victims. The Palestinians and other Islamists offer up their own babies, women, elderly, and civilian populations as human shields, human sacrifices, in order to obtain this grisly goal. They also engage in faked staged photos to approximate such Jewish-style deaths as well.

Elsewhere, in a Frontpage Symposium about the resurfacing of Nazi cartoons, Dr. Kobrin reminds us that “paranoids” are obsessed with “purity” and therefore with “cleansing.” This is accomplished by having a “scapegoat” upon whom one projects all the “dirty” components of oneself or of one’s group-self.

The use of Nazi images are meant to terrify and intimidate all who view them–especially those who have, in the past, been jailed, tortured, exiled, and wounded by those who display just such symbols. These images are forms of visual hate speech. They are meant to re-traumatize real victims and their second- and third-generation descendants and to intimidate bystanders.

But those Muslims/Islamists who display Nazi imagery also feel that they are the wounded ones. They seek public redress for their real and imagined wounds. What wounds could that be? For starters: Painful, shameful, anal penetration by trusted relatives in childhood; beatings in childhood; painful, public male circumcision between the ages of 5-12; cruel parents, cruel teachers, cruel religious leaders, equally cruel peers–and a culture which takes cruelty as a given; poor nutrition, illiteracy, and/or no productive future–mainly due to Muslim and Palestinian leaders who demand reverence and obedience even as they hoard the wealth meant to alleviate their people’s suffering; street theatre/political protest/mob merging as the only approved form of social life or group “orgasmic” activity.

According to Lloyd DeMause, there is a “paranoid” underside to anti-Semitism. It is caused by “child abuse, paedophilia and incest.” He writes:

“For instance, I would like to refer to a careful survey in the journal,” Child Abuse & Neglect “that showed that when questioned 652 Palestinian undergraduates concluded that 19% were sexually assaulted by a family member, 36% by a relative and 46% by a stranger. Since this adds up to more than 100%, obviously many were abused by more than one person, but the overall conclusion I detailed in my Journal of Psychohistory article entitled “If I Blow Myself Up and Become a Martyr, I’ll Finally Be Loved” (Spring 2006) was that most Palestinians are sexually abused, that men routinely have young boys they rape and that this is not mainly because of poverty because the college students reporting such horrible memories have upper-class families.”

This explains the Arab street. The Westerners who support them–ah, that is a more painful and a more curious matter. Are Westerners trying to both hide and atone for their racism by cleverly masquerading as staunch anti-colonialists and by “slumming,” dressing as impoverished Arabs, marching right alongside the presumably “wretched of the earth,” all fitted out in high jihadic gear? Or, is this a symbol of a Western wish to (psychologically) die, to be done with the demands of freedom, to be cleansed of all our filth–our greed and lust, our many choices?

There is something else. The jihadic use of European Nazi images is essentially a total “fakeout.” The jihadists are projecting all the sins of Islam towards Jews onto Christian Europe. In their use of Holocaust era imagery, the jihadists are trying to pretend that there is no long and genocidal history of Muslims towards Jews, Christians, and other infidels; they presume to deny that there is a 1400 year history of Islamic Jew hatred and genocide towards infidels–one that is still very much alive today; one that is supported by Muslim religious sources.

Despite individual exceptions and moments of respite, historically, Jews were routinely and relentlessly subjected to pogroms in the Muslim world and were ultimately driven out of the Muslim Middle East. The Jewish refugee story is the larger and more hidden story of 1948-1956. The Christian Crusades took place because crusading, imperialist, and genocidal Arab Muslims were slaughtering Christians throughout the Middle East and central Asia in what was once known as Byzantium; Zoroastrians in Persia too. Christians are still persecuted by Muslims today; many have been forced to flee Muslim lands. Read the important works of Bat Ye’or and of Dr. Andrew Bostom on this subject. Matthias Kunzel focuses more closely on the Nazi-era relationship between Arabs and Nazis in his book, Jihad and Jew-Hatred: Islamism, Nazism and the Roots of 9/11.

The use of Nazi images in pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli demonstrations cannot be countered with sweet reason, fact, or truth. The hoarse demonstrators who scream hate speech slogans, who seem hypnotically in thrall to hate, are not capable of rational conversations in which any truth other than their own prevails. If one presents a jihadi True Believer with objective facts which challenge their version of reality, they will either physically and verbally threaten to attack you, actually attack you, or they will walk away.

Bullies, including terrorists, must be defeated militarily. They will comprehend absolutely no other language.

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47 Comments, 47 Threads, 6 Trackbacks

  1. Let us remember that in 2002, Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, was quoted in the Lebanon Daily Star as encouraging the Jews to move to Israel. “If they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.” Nasrallah, obviously, did not only want to kill Israelis but Jews everywhere.

  2. 2. Norman Simms

    To continue what George says, not only in the old world but the new, and after all the Jews had moved from North and South America, and Africa and Asia, then the murderous Islamic fanatics would chase the reaminder to the moon and kill us there too.

    You cannot rwason with fanatics. You cannot sit down and work things out with crazy thugs and murderers. As with all terrorist groups, the resolution comes through the application of massive force.

    When the police are called to a domestic “incident” with a weapon involved, they do not go in with equal force: they go with all the power they can muster.

    Norman
    Norman

  3. 3. Dave

    Back in World War II, the predecessors of
    Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, ad nauseum were bosom buddies with the Nazis—–although not with the generality of the Afrika Corps or Luftwaffe.

    And Nazis were also known to portray themselves as innocent victims and paint their victims as aggressors.

    In this regard, nothing has changed. The common thread seems to be an obsession with what can only be described as the occult.

  4. 4. Alex

    Excellent analysis, and good to see the truth out in front for a change. However, while I agree that there is no reasoning with Muslims, I would also like to add that there is no reasoning with their fellow-travelers in Europe and the US as well. Why Muslims have chosen to declare and wage slow-motion genocide is no longer of any concern to me. That they have made that decsion is all I need to know.

    As to what Israel and her fellow Jews should do, well, take a leaf out of the allied book in WWII and prepare to be just as bloodthirsty, just as ruthless, just as relentless and just as determined – or be prepared to lose.

  5. 5. David Thomson

    “A common Western attitude toward Hamas in 2009: The Palestinians have suffered a lot and have legitimate grievances.”

    There is a huge difference between the pre-World War II Nazi era and today’s “common Western attitude toward Hamas in 2009.”: Jews were rarely on the side of Adolph Hitler! Some of the most fervent supporters of the radical Palestinians are Jewish. Why are these objectively traitorous individuals still allowed to participate in Jewish society? When will they start to be ostracized? Many American Jews have no hesitation to crap on their friends like Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, and the somewhat admittedly peculiar Jerry Fallwell. Isn’t there something wrong with this picture?

  6. 6. Ken Besig

    I came to the conclusion years ago that Mohammed was seriously psychotic misongynist and pedophile who managed to escape from a mental institution and produced an insane and psychotic tome he called the Koran. Of course, his Koran with it’s brutality, cruelty, hatred, abuse of women and children, fits in perfectly with Arab society’s norms. The Koran also allows for complete and utter inconsistency, immorality, and insanely violent behavior among it’s followers while demanding that Infidels behave both consistently, morally, and perfectly. I have no psychological explanation that makes any sense of Islam, how for example most Arab Moslems deny the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews while at the same time complaining that the Jews brought it on themselves. I cannot in any way explain how it can be that a Koran which explicitly outlaws in no uncertain terms the act of suicide and the murder of innocents, whether Moslem or Infidel, can be used to absolutely justify or excuse the act of suicide bombing and it’s indiscriminate murder of innocents.
    Islam to me is a form of madness, sometimes a controlled madness, but a religious madness which infects all of it’s followers and which can manifest itself anywhere or at any time. I would mention the Moslem who shot up an El Al airline counter at the Los Angeles Airport a few years back. He was not known to be an extremist or to have strong opinions on the Arab Israeli problem, and yet one day, for no apparent reason, he decided to kill Jews at LAX. This is what Islam can and often does to its followers. Perhaps you, Phyllis or even Dr. Rubin, can explain to me how Islam, supposedly a religion of peace, can allow it’s male followers to murder their female family members for allegedly dishonoring the family?
    You may not even realize this, but Islam honors sons, husbands, fathers or any male relative who murders their mother, sister, daughter, or any other female relative who is accused of dishonoring the family name by having contact with men outside of marriage. To call this Islam a religion is a travesty and an insult to real religions which celebrate God and Life like Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and even Christianity. The West would be safer and better off psychologically if it were to treat Islam as an infection or a mental illness, and confront it militarily when necessary, and legally at all times. The West must demand the same unswerving standards of moral and consistent behavior from Moslems that it demands from everybody else. This would be far more appopriate and effective in bringing Islam under control and making it’s followers fit to live among other human beings.

  7. 7. Inge

    There is also a biblical aspect to it; namely, that it began when Abraham had Isaac, his legitimate son. Ismail (by servant Hagar, an egyptian), the illegimate son, was told to leave. He did, and so the hatred of the jews began.
    Those who partake with all Jew haters, whether it’s the muslims, or the other ones such as europeans, americans etc, will have one day a rude awakening. The Bible states: “Those who stand with the Jews I will bless, those who curse the Jews I will curse.!” Anyone who is familiar with the Bible knows that Jews were given their land, and more as the inheritance, the Promise Land forever to keep.

  8. 8. SAF

    The Palestinians are very honest. They support Hitler’s work and it is consistent with their wanting all Israel’s dead. They are so honest they won’t even pretend to want peace and have suffered the consequence for decades.

    What’s the problem?

  9. 9. Morry Rotenberg

    Remember boys and girls facts just don’t matter. It didn’t matter in the recent election campaign, it didn’t matter in the recent Gaza “war”, it doesn’t matter now in the world wide financial crisis. What matters is what people believe are the facts. As long as the useful idiots of the MSM continue to ignore the truth and promote a liberal anti-American,anti-Israel, and anti-democratic agenda nothing will change.
    Another example of how the Arabs have used the Nazi tactics is the use of the big lie. Recall that it was J.Goebbels who said that the bigger the lie and the more often it is repeated the more likely that that lie will be accepted as fact. The Arabs have learned their lessons quite well.

  10. 10. gboisjo

    Quote “In a sense, those Europeans and North Americans who support such a false Nazification of Jews, are merely continuing the Holocaust-era determination to genocidally exterminate Jews. This time, they hope that by doing so, the Islamist hordes will spare them, allow them to live as dhimmis, as inferior and subordinate citizens, in an Islamified Europe”.

    Many of the everyday people I talk with see Israel as a trouble maker. Beneath this rationalization is fear. For some just talking about Islam produces perspiration and darting eyes. Serve up the Jews and maybe they will leave me alone. This is the paper tiger Islam talks about. The fat over fed chicken sh–t westerner who only cares about his or herself. To some degree they are right. I say this with utter contempt for the war Islam is waging for ownership of the world.

  11. 11. steveoh

    Yes. Dave #3.

    Nice topical essay on the Nazi-islamist link. However, the connections are much closer historically and ideologically than you suggest Ms. Chesler. A must read for everyone is Mattias Kuentzel. Google him he has written several terrific pieces on the Nazi’s and their true connection in word deed and propagada usuage. Most people fail to recognize that the Arabs prior to WW II were practicing were allied in so many ways with the Nazi way. The best selling book in the Arab world is Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A close # 2 is Mein Kampf. I implore all who Care about the survival of Israel to read Kuentzel. Sorry no link. Typing on my iPhone.

  12. 12. bryan

    Was curious how this sits with the Holocaust denial of some Islamic leaders. how do they rectify it?

  13. 13. bryan

    To further what David Thompson said, as a resident of Upper West Side Manhattan, i find it terrifying how anti-Israel so many of the Jewish New Yorkers are. And if they are not anti-Israel they consistently support candidates that are not nearly as pro-Israel as GWBush or most modern conservatives. Republicans are HATED in this city, especially by the liberal Jewish population. take a look at Pajamas own Ron Rosenbaum… though he is certainly more pro-Israel than many NY City Jews.
    Republicans understand the threat of Islamic fascism to Israel and humanity at large. Liberals have a big problem calling it what it is. Excuses are constantly made for terrorists. In NYC it is common to hear people make excuses for the terrorists of 9/11 and rarely, very very rarely, is Israel justified or on the right side of any engagement in the MidEast.
    I would like to see a book about the psychology of the modern liberal New York Jew. I personally can not fathom why they think the way they do.

  14. 14. chris in Toronto

    “Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone.”
    Ayn Rand

  15. 15. Frank Hawkins

    This pretty well sums it up. If you have not seen this, please take a few minutes.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

  16. 16. Craig

    “The percentage of Jewish civilians killed by Germans and their allies was 86 percent. The percentage of Gazan Palestinians killed by Israelis is .01 percent.”

    Great line. That says it all.

  17. 17. lucy

    Don’t kill me, I’m not like them–definition of self-hating Jew.

  18. 18. Rubicon

    The writer provides actual numbers to justify his comments. Some might challenge his numbers, but history, actual history, proves him to be significantly accurate.
    How is it we are faced with many trying to portray truth as lies & lies & truth? Why does the media continually ignore the actions of aggressors, while they lament the conditions of the aggressors as something beyond their control?
    Prior to WWII, many thought the stories they were hearing about the Holocaust were not true & that all Hitler wanted was to make life better for people. Once the real truth came out, once Nazi’s & Japanese Imperialists attacked & declared war, many suddenly realized the truth was always there to hear & see, all they had to do was open their eyes & ears.
    In my lifetime, I never thought I would see an actual example of history repeating itself as I see today as we face extremism from those seeking to subjugate &/or kill any who disagree with them.
    Now all we need to do is get the media to tell all of the truth, not just the truth they are told by those with an agenda.
    I feel no shame for my background or for how the world has evolved.
    Palestinians could have a peaceful life, all they need do is embrace, peace.

  19. 19. Milesdei

    And yet, 75% of the Jewish vote went to the Messiah. American Jews need to convert to Judaism as an act of self-preservation, but will not because they are too self-loathing. It’s time for American Jewry to set aside its resentment toward white-shoe Republicans for denying them admission to the country club and the Ivy League. The faux populism they endorse by voting Democrat earns Jews no love from the “oppressed” minorities whose approval they are desperate to garner; blacks and latinos by and large hate the Jews and are unapologetic in their contempt. By voting for Socialists (and remember, the Nazis were socialists), Jews enable those who deplore them and hasten their own economic and political demise. The Jews are some of the best and smartest people on God’s green earth, and yet the blind spot they have in this particular area is toxic, fatal, and undermines all freedom-loving Americans, not just themselves.

  20. 20. Lon

    Let’s be clear about this – Muslims were, and are, Nazis! During WWII, the Grand Mufti of Jeruselum, Hajj Amin-al-Husseini, went to Berlin, sat down with Adolf Hitler and organized a division of Waffen SS soldiers composed entirely of Muslims! These troops helped to propagate Hitler’s “Solution To The Jewish Question” in Croatia and other Balkan states. After the war, many of these same Muslim-Nazis, under the banner of The Muslim Brotherhood, went to Egypt and did their best to follow Nazi dogma by trying to destroy the newly-formed State of Israel. Today, more than sixty years and many name-changes later, they’re still at it! All Jews must factor in this history when deciding their future course of action in dealing with their Muslim-Nazi enemies.

  21. Excellent list @ the end and well worth repeating. This type of blunt writing is why PJM is such a good place to read good pieces.

  22. 22. Oscar the Grump

    I’ve just heard via the radio that for the last four days Hamas has launched its rockets at Israel. Olmert has already let them know that there will be retaliation. None of this makes it to network news. I suppose when it does it will read “Israel Attacks Hamas Again”.

  23. 23. jimpres

    It is hard to believe that anyone could equate Gaza to Auschwitz. They have no idea what occurred in those Nazi camps. And yet the leader of Iran says there was not holocaust. And blaming the Israelies for fighting back when rockets are shot at them is ridiculous.
    The Muslims have sworn to rid the earth of Jews and that message is propagated through the ages and until that changes war will rage one way or another.

  24. 24. Delia

    Let’s just lay it on the line.

    Who would you trust with your life?

    A Jew or a Muslim?

    Nuff said?

    “Dear Leader” is making his ‘agenda’ patently clear right now. I too cannot believe how many Jews voted this media orgasmic load of crap cipher into the presidency.

  25. 25. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer

    Phyllis, Phyllis, Phyllis. Consistency is the hobgoblin of kufr minds.

  26. 26. Judy, NYC

    the old lefties were socialists and communists, jews who had a utopian idea of what the world could be. they were avid readers and joiners, socially conscious, educated and opinionated. they were leftists, but not these of the neoleft, who are more like spoiled brat adolscents still defying their traditional roots but too scared to stand on their own. (they remind me of the women’s movement of the sixties, who refused to acknowledge that their independence came from living off alimony). why the neoleft has thrown in with this fascist lot of muslim jew haters is probably for the same reason. added to that is ignorance, laziness and stupidity. we can thank our all embracing educational system for that. and, so-called multi-culturalism, which in so far as i can see, includes only moslems, one culture that prays to dominate everyone else.

  27. 27. gin789

    Where all you people are wrong is the fact that the Zionist state of Isreal is just that. The orthodox jews do not believe that the Zionist state of Isreal is the promised land. Jesus told the jews that they would wander the earth until Jesus return. Surely you do not believe that the Belflour Treaty which established the Zionis state of Isreal had anything to do with Jesus.

  28. 28. David P

    Fair weather haters identify with whomever they need to at the time, why discriminate when creating falsehoods, revising history & telling lies.

  29. 29. josil

    Unfortunately, the elaborate description of differences between Nazis and Jews, relative to Jihadis, is a waste of energy. It assumes that the other side (Jihadists and their Islamic and Western apologists) is susceptible to reason. All the evidence suggests otherwise. Sometimes, force IS the only alternative.

  30. 30. Anita Hope

    Just keep in mind, once these fanatics achieve their goals to eradicate all Jew’s your going to see the next holocost will be Rome and the Catholic people all over the world, then who next is the question, Protestant’s, Baptist’s ??? And keep in mind even the Muslim”s that do not follow their path will be destroyed just as they are in today’s world being used as shields and denied food and allowed their right’s in the world of terrorist domination. Freedom
    is a word not to be taken lightly and if America and other free countries want to exhist, the people of all religions better wake up, standup and stop them
    from destroying all of are religious rights. People of all faiths have donated medical, art, music, educational growth to their countries, it is what life is all
    about, does it really matter in todays world what religion fills our needs to be happy, I think not. We can not change the past years, but we sure can start
    protecting today and tomorrow, not only for ourselves, but for all the children on this planet. We are strngth in numbers if we stop the hatred and realize
    that if we continue, the terrorist will be achieving their power here and in all countries as is their goal. Make no mistake they are all around us and in
    most cases using their training and beliefs to incite hatred, using our young adults to gain their control.
    Wake up and have a good Sunday Super Bowl and then week.

  31. 31. Grantman

    I’m not quite sure I understand one of Dr. Rubin’s stats at the end of the piece. He states there were 1.2 million Palestinians at the beginning of the Gaza campaign and 1,199,000 at the end. Is he saying that there was only one death during the war?

  32. 32. James

    Ya i know i think there was an islamo fascist extremist under my bed.

  33. 33. massaraksh

    Dear Dr. Chesler

    Your friend, Dr. Kobrin is absolutely correct – the main reason for the Islamic anti-Jewish hatred is the fact that Islam grew out of Judaism, the Koran is a plagiarized version of the Bible, and the Jewish history was adopted by the Arab/Muslims practically wholesale. In fact, this is why only a good psychiatrist can come up with a logical and rational explanation for the Muslim attitudes towards the Jews. The existence of the Jews is evidence of this theft and that’s why Muslim clerics preach anti-Jewish hate with such a passion – the thiefs hate witnesses. This is also why the Islamists have been destroying the Jewish and other pre-Islamic historical evidence in the Middle East – they must be well aware how fragile Islam is, and this is another reason fueling their rage.

    It’s quite ironic to hear Muslims deny Holocaust and without missing a beat complain that “brother” Hitler failed to “finish the job”. Again, only a psychiatrist can figure it out. Talk about irony…

  34. 34. xax

    How did it go?

    “In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist”

    You know the rest. History constantly repeats itself. There are two kinds of intellectuals:

    1.Passive and silent
    2.Passive and condeming

    1 knows what you’re about and hopes you leave them alone. 2 knows what you are about and wants to join in.

    In the 40s the Nazis won out because Jews thought their countrymen would protect them. They were wrong. (With the exception of a very few) Maybe that distrust has led some to try and placate the facists, a kind of twisted self preservation. Then again maybe it’s all about blissful ignorance. But the same distrust led to the creation of the Isreali state- and unlike the passivists, they recognize the evil for what it is and will protect themselves.

    “And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.”

  35. 35. Marc Malone

    #33 Grantman – OMG! 1.2M + 1,200,000. 1,200,000- 1,199,000 = 1,000. Jeez. Think a bit before you post. Doh!

  36. 36. Marc Malone

    Oops. Typo. 1.2m = 1,200,000. Hit caps and got + instead of =.

  37. 37. Marc Malone

    Lots of ways to explain New York Liberal Jew insanity:

    1) It’s fashionable to hate Israel. Fitting in is of utmost importance when one has grown up spoiled;

    2) Judaism is a demanding religion. Strict rules and numerous holy days. Much better to abandon it so you can pursue your hedonism;

    3) Defending Israel requires courage;

    4) Condemning Islam also requires courage;

    5) Knowing the truth requires effort. You actually have to read up on an unpleasant subject. It requires intellectual vigor and honesty. Much better to read trashy bestseller novels. Besides, once you know the truth, it is hard, almost impossible, to sit on the sidelines. The truth changes your world. It is much better to just allow the media to feed you their crap. Likewise, sticking one’s head in the sand works well.

  38. LIKE IT OR NOT: IRAQ WAR FREED MILLIONS
    Regular Iraqis now control the reins of power in a sea of Arab tyranny.

    http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/02/free-election-in-iraq-leftist-nightm are.html

  39. 39. Truthwillprevail

    ‘An article that Lucifer couldn’t have written better!’ It seeks to dehumanise a race to justify its’ annihilation.

    Muslims and Jews lived side by side in Arabia in relative peace pre-Israel. The Israel-Gaza conflict is purely political: take away both religion; the political conflict will still be there.

    Using your willing sense of disbelieve imagine for a moment:

    Jews are the palestinians and Muslims are the Israelites.

    Would this alter your thought process?

    I also wonder what a geneology test of the original jews in Israel and original muslims in palestine would throw up…brothers killing brothers I suspect. With the advent of Islam there were treaties between Muslims and Jews regulating their relationships. Many Jews converted to Islam. Many Jews caused mischief threatening the peacefull treaties.

    Anger and hatred acts as a thick fog preventing one to see clearly. All I see in the above blogs is anger and hatred. The war on Gaza opened my eyes and I suspect opened eyes of many others around the world to the plight of a helpless people: read B’T Selem for more information. The conflict also opened my eyes to the existence of some brilliant people around the globe who are Jewish, Christian, Muslim and others.

    We may disagree on many things. You have your views and I will not label you. I have written some of my thoughts and I will probably get many attacks from you – a pattern I have seen on this medium many times – so much for freedom of speech in the ‘free world’.

    Nevermind. Truth will prevail.

  40. 40. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer

    Fitting in is of utmost importance when one has grown up spoiled

    That might explain a few things. Like why Francis wanted my bike.

  41. 41. John cuckti

    Of course the Nazis and Islamic terrorist groups were and are vicious ant-Semites, but it’s comedic to think that the members of the Christian right who right these columns are not in their own way. Just because you don’t advocate genocide doesn’t make you not anti-Semitic.If you believe that all who don’t accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior are going to hell, what is that exactly if not anti-Semitism?

  42. 42. Flic (New Zealand)

    Whether its 86% or 0.01% – killing is NOT the solution. I dont get it. Is it about degrees of methodology. Killing has never been or ever will be the solution to anything. How simpler can that fact get.
    Lets change the value base, lets change the focus of human existance and subsistance. Lets get over religion in any form. Religion existed to explain the unexplainable. Today we live with enough knowledge to make sense of the world we live in. We dont need religion anymore.

  43. 43. Camo

    Marc #39
    ” Knowing the truth requires effort. You actually have to read up on an unpleasant subject. It requires intellectual vigor and honesty. Much better to read trashy bestseller novels. Besides, once you know the truth, it is hard, almost impossible, to sit on the sidelines. The truth changes your world. It is much better to just allow the media to feed you their crap. Likewise, sticking one’s head in the sand works well.”

    THAT’S A GREAT LINE — Can I use that quote?

  44. 44. Larry

    my God it is simple, Palestinians and their ilk call Israel a Nazi state because of something called PROJECTION. It’s basic psychology for crying out loud.

    And Chesler’s friend Kobrin is clueless. Jew-hatred is intrinsic to Islam, it’s all in Islamic texts like Koran and Hadith, that part on the Hamas Charter that says every Jew must be killed comes from Hadith. Mohammed the uh prophet himself, the father of Islam, hated the Jews. Why is this so difficult to understand? Why do Muslims hate Hindus and Buddhists so much then Kobrin? Are they trying to deny their Hindu and Buddhist roots? Why do they hate Europeans despite the support Muslims have from Europe in their jihad against Israel? Because Muslims hate all unbelievers..

    Why do Muslims hate women so much? Because they are trying to deny their uh female roots Kobrin?? I thought Chesler was smarter than this. Why do Muslims hate themselves so much for that matter? Sheesh

  45. 45. joeblough

    I think that the European inclination to demonize Israel as nazi and ally themselves with the arabs is not all that hard to understand.

    The payoffs are:
    1) Getting to pose as a brave opponent of nazism, at no risk to oneself.
    2) Getting to indulge one’s animus toward Jews openly, again with no risk to oneself … in fact with the support of a large and violent crowd of which most potential critics are afraid.

    In short one gets to enjoy a glorified illusion of oneself and, at the same time, indulge in various sorts of nastiness and hell-raising on the cheap.

    Assuming various deficiencies of knowledge and character (by no means rare among men), what’s not to like?

    ===========

    I think the case with the mohammedans is in part similar, but also deeper and darker.

    I think that much of what goes on there can be understood as primitive, el-cheapo methods of boosting one’s self regard while indulging one’s baser appetites — in an intellectually impoverished context.

    I absolutely endorse the authors concluding assertion:

    Bullies, including terrorists, must be defeated militarily. They will comprehend absolutely no other language.

    It will be far more enlightening and enjoyable to study the inner psychology of this beast after it has been defeated.

    For now, the task, as it has so often been in human affairs, is once again to kill a monster.

  46. 46. Khurram Hameed

    @Ken Besig

    i think if you dont know any thing about Islam than you can shut your mouth for a while…

    if Islam is such a voilent religion why there are person of Muslim Religion in “List of Righteoud Men” published by Yad Vashem

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380676042&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer

    From the above article:

    What I found were good people who did good deeds,” said Gershman, who hails from Basalt, Colorado, and began the project four years ago after coming across pictures of Albanian Muslims who had been honored by Yad Vashem for saving Jews during the Holocaust

    He noted that the some of the Muslims he’d met in Albania had referred to the Koran when asked why they took in the Jews, while others talked about a culture of hospitality. ”

    Just like in Jews Religion,it is written in Koran, “to kill a life is to kill humanity, to save a life is to save humanity,”

    so much for your bullshit…

    on the article..apparently it seems like there has been no intentional killing but how can it be justified that Nazis used gas chambers and Israeli Military makes use of sophisticated weapons…i guess you have not seen pictures of kids in blood….every innocent victim of Israel’s military aggression cannot be justified as Collateral Damage.

  47. 47. Khurram Hameed

    the only objection to the comments is why you are blaming the religion for all of this.if an Atheist/Christian like Adolf Hitler would exterminate Jews…would that make the religion responsible for it.

    i am a layman from Pakistan and just after watching movie Schindlers List i was moved to see who was Oscar Schindler and then i wanted to know more about Nazi History and then this articles comes forward with such remarks about religion of millions.I think the world needs tolerance instead of hatred.

    i would agree with “Truthwillprevail”

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