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		<title>By: American Heroes Today: The Battle to Pass the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Act &#124; Ft. Hard Knox</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Heroes Today: The Battle to Pass the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Act &#124; Ft. Hard Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In addition to the widespread and increasing use of rape as a systematic weapon of war, even of genocide, the international trafficking in persons, mainly women and children, has also risen alarmingly. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chesler Chronicles &#187; American Heroes Today: The Battle to Pass the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Act</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chesler Chronicles &#187; American Heroes Today: The Battle to Pass the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Act</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In addition to the widespread and increasing use of rape as a systematic weapon of war, even of genocide, the international trafficking in persons, mainly women and children, has also risen alarmingly. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: robotech master</title>
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		<dc:creator>robotech master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To 86. Ann

I sympathize with your anger when posting... this is one of the few boards where my first post isn&#039;t a long yelling match against whoever I&#039;m talking too. This place tends to have more intelligent ppl on it so I try to be less angry when posting. 

To 88. Michael B I swear I tried to read you post... 3 times over. However it all seems to run together and I quickly lose track of which line of thought goes where and my place in reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 86. Ann</p>
<p>I sympathize with your anger when posting&#8230; this is one of the few boards where my first post isn&#8217;t a long yelling match against whoever I&#8217;m talking too. This place tends to have more intelligent ppl on it so I try to be less angry when posting. </p>
<p>To 88. Michael B I swear I tried to read you post&#8230; 3 times over. However it all seems to run together and I quickly lose track of which line of thought goes where and my place in reading it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/12/12/president-elect-obama-are-we-our-african-sisters-keepers/#comment-8959</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>robotech,

&quot;Words&quot; can be discounted, or they can begin to lend some clarity; wtf indeed, over.

As to the U.N., we &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/1215/1229035719252.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;do agree&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/16/congo-giles-foden&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that score&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>robotech,</p>
<p>&#8220;Words&#8221; can be discounted, or they can begin to lend some clarity; wtf indeed, over.</p>
<p>As to the U.N., we <a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/1215/1229035719252.html" rel="nofollow">do agree</a> on <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/16/congo-giles-foden" rel="nofollow">that score</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: another view</title>
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		<dc:creator>another view</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rape is horrible.. but when people say those countries shouldn&#039;t be free my blood boils.. let&#039;s start by expelling all western interest. get out of Africa period. diamonds,oil, steel, ect. then purchase from them in a real free market. then maybe they will have a chance. the real rape is the rape of the continent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rape is horrible.. but when people say those countries shouldn&#8217;t be free my blood boils.. let&#8217;s start by expelling all western interest. get out of Africa period. diamonds,oil, steel, ect. then purchase from them in a real free market. then maybe they will have a chance. the real rape is the rape of the continent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to 84 robotech, re your comments on the UN. 

My point exactly...and thank you for articulating it better than I could.  I am so beyond the point of even trying.

I remember my Dad shaking his head over the foolishness of the United Nations&#039; intentions and presumptions--IN THE LATE 1950&#039;s!!!  

Actually, as I reread your comments as applied to the UN, I&#039;m intrigued by some of the parallels with our own bureaucracies/politics/endless crap.... it  (our domestic circles of power) look pretty dependant on chaos and failure, which then guarantees refunding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to 84 robotech, re your comments on the UN. </p>
<p>My point exactly&#8230;and thank you for articulating it better than I could.  I am so beyond the point of even trying.</p>
<p>I remember my Dad shaking his head over the foolishness of the United Nations&#8217; intentions and presumptions&#8211;IN THE LATE 1950&#8242;s!!!  </p>
<p>Actually, as I reread your comments as applied to the UN, I&#8217;m intrigued by some of the parallels with our own bureaucracies/politics/endless crap&#8230;. it  (our domestic circles of power) look pretty dependant on chaos and failure, which then guarantees refunding.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Richard Allen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/12/12/president-elect-obama-are-we-our-african-sisters-keepers/#comment-8916</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Richard Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot; Last year, a ... (paper claimed) ... the &quot;number of excess deaths due to Rwandan and Ugandan occupation as estimated at between 3-3.5 million.&quot; 

And noted that: &quot;rapes are unprecedented in &#039;savagery, planning, and perversity.&#039;&quot; &quot;&quot; 

The word &quot;Savage&quot; did not back its way into the English Language.&quot; Those who coined it saw what they saw, said what they meant -- and meant what they said! 

And, given that Ted the Swimmer Kennedy&#039;s and other psycho-pathological-ideologues&#039; immigration policy has, since around 1965, imported and continues to import (for the perceived advantage, come election time -- and especially when combined with the impact of 35-odd million similarly &quot;Democratic&quot; potty policy incited, encouraged and facilitated criminal aliens -- their combined low intelligence, ignorance, malice and greed gives to the &quot;Democratic&quot; potty)  scores of millions of Third World savages of our very own? And that a self-and-America-loathing mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim Arab African has lied and cheated and defrauded his way into our once white house? 

We don&#039;t need to go to Africa for troubles enough. 

And we ain&#039;t seen nothing yet! 

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles - CalifUBAMAcated 90028</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221; Last year, a &#8230; (paper claimed) &#8230; the &#8220;number of excess deaths due to Rwandan and Ugandan occupation as estimated at between 3-3.5 million.&#8221; </p>
<p>And noted that: &#8220;rapes are unprecedented in &#8216;savagery, planning, and perversity.&#8217;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; </p>
<p>The word &#8220;Savage&#8221; did not back its way into the English Language.&#8221; Those who coined it saw what they saw, said what they meant &#8212; and meant what they said! </p>
<p>And, given that Ted the Swimmer Kennedy&#8217;s and other psycho-pathological-ideologues&#8217; immigration policy has, since around 1965, imported and continues to import (for the perceived advantage, come election time &#8212; and especially when combined with the impact of 35-odd million similarly &#8220;Democratic&#8221; potty policy incited, encouraged and facilitated criminal aliens &#8212; their combined low intelligence, ignorance, malice and greed gives to the &#8220;Democratic&#8221; potty)  scores of millions of Third World savages of our very own? And that a self-and-America-loathing mobbed-up Marxist murtadd Muslim Arab African has lied and cheated and defrauded his way into our once white house? </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to go to Africa for troubles enough. </p>
<p>And we ain&#8217;t seen nothing yet! </p>
<p>Brian Richard Allen<br />
Los Angeles &#8211; CalifUBAMAcated 90028</p>
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		<title>By: robotech master</title>
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		<dc:creator>robotech master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy your argument is valid in some respects... which is why ppl like me and other say the first if only step that can be taken is to cut off any form of aid. 

You talk about the &quot;gifted&quot; in africa... the problem is those gifted aren&#039;t doing much for africa and theirs a reason for that... they all become bureaucrats... or in simplest terms beggars...

The best and brightest of africa go on to goto the UN as beggars... they try every trick to get more and more money out of the UN, US, and other countries... This means that they quickly become corrupted(many also form very racist attitudes vs the US and combined with the commie/marx history of africa they form huge entitlement complexes as well) and when at last finish their begging and return to take leadership roles in their government they form the backbone of the current or next corrupt government. 

Forcing africa&#039;s gifted to get real jobs and make real changes instead of living high on the hog at the expense of the US(mostly) is the first step toward any real effect on africa. 

All your plans are non-starters because you would need the military to protect the weapons shipments/trainers/etc, etc, etc. Plus no african government is going to willing let its citizens arm themselves... or be armed by the US or even the UN... so once again your plan is a complete non-starter from the get go.

To 83. Ann:&quot;I thought one of the purposes of the United Nations’ existence was to put a stop to this&quot;

The irony of the problem is the UN has a vested interest in keeping 3rd world conflicts hot and active... its how they justify their massive bloated budget... If the UN were to fix these problems then they would have little reason to have the massive budgets they currently have... plus their are other reasons... 

1. The UN enjoys its god complex of picking who gets to live and who gets to die... it makes them feel powerful. 
2. Many times the UN is the direct cause of conflicts because they serve as great fundraisers.(not just for the UN but the local dictators as well)
3. The UN for the most part is controlled and designed to benefit petty dictators... If the UN were to live up to its supposed &quot;ideals&quot; 3/4(probably more) of the countries currently in it would leave...

The UN is a place for elites to go and have some fine wine(at taxpayer expense of course) and talk about the worlds problems, then trade favors and money to further their political careers... It is not a place where problems are fixed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy your argument is valid in some respects&#8230; which is why ppl like me and other say the first if only step that can be taken is to cut off any form of aid. </p>
<p>You talk about the &#8220;gifted&#8221; in africa&#8230; the problem is those gifted aren&#8217;t doing much for africa and theirs a reason for that&#8230; they all become bureaucrats&#8230; or in simplest terms beggars&#8230;</p>
<p>The best and brightest of africa go on to goto the UN as beggars&#8230; they try every trick to get more and more money out of the UN, US, and other countries&#8230; This means that they quickly become corrupted(many also form very racist attitudes vs the US and combined with the commie/marx history of africa they form huge entitlement complexes as well) and when at last finish their begging and return to take leadership roles in their government they form the backbone of the current or next corrupt government. </p>
<p>Forcing africa&#8217;s gifted to get real jobs and make real changes instead of living high on the hog at the expense of the US(mostly) is the first step toward any real effect on africa. </p>
<p>All your plans are non-starters because you would need the military to protect the weapons shipments/trainers/etc, etc, etc. Plus no african government is going to willing let its citizens arm themselves&#8230; or be armed by the US or even the UN&#8230; so once again your plan is a complete non-starter from the get go.</p>
<p>To 83. Ann:&#8221;I thought one of the purposes of the United Nations’ existence was to put a stop to this&#8221;</p>
<p>The irony of the problem is the UN has a vested interest in keeping 3rd world conflicts hot and active&#8230; its how they justify their massive bloated budget&#8230; If the UN were to fix these problems then they would have little reason to have the massive budgets they currently have&#8230; plus their are other reasons&#8230; </p>
<p>1. The UN enjoys its god complex of picking who gets to live and who gets to die&#8230; it makes them feel powerful.<br />
2. Many times the UN is the direct cause of conflicts because they serve as great fundraisers.(not just for the UN but the local dictators as well)<br />
3. The UN for the most part is controlled and designed to benefit petty dictators&#8230; If the UN were to live up to its supposed &#8220;ideals&#8221; 3/4(probably more) of the countries currently in it would leave&#8230;</p>
<p>The UN is a place for elites to go and have some fine wine(at taxpayer expense of course) and talk about the worlds problems, then trade favors and money to further their political careers&#8230; It is not a place where problems are fixed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once all the complexities of &quot;doing something&quot; for the Congo (regardless of how and who) are figured out, how long will it be before another columnist steps up and nominates their Congo of the Month...this stuff is endless and always has been.

I thought one of the purposes of the United Nations&#039; existence was to put a stop to this; but that is always nicely ignored.  The discussion never starts with their imperative.  It always starts with, &quot;Well, somebody has to do something, and since the United Nations won&#039;t/can&#039;t, the United States &#039;has to&#039;.&quot;  Word up: the United States DOESN&#039;T HAVE TO.

Why not just get Congress to provide a bailout for the Congo? They can hire their own solution from some other country.

Our entire governmental structure has taken leave of its senses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once all the complexities of &#8220;doing something&#8221; for the Congo (regardless of how and who) are figured out, how long will it be before another columnist steps up and nominates their Congo of the Month&#8230;this stuff is endless and always has been.</p>
<p>I thought one of the purposes of the United Nations&#8217; existence was to put a stop to this; but that is always nicely ignored.  The discussion never starts with their imperative.  It always starts with, &#8220;Well, somebody has to do something, and since the United Nations won&#8217;t/can&#8217;t, the United States &#8216;has to&#8217;.&#8221;  Word up: the United States DOESN&#8217;T HAVE TO.</p>
<p>Why not just get Congress to provide a bailout for the Congo? They can hire their own solution from some other country.</p>
<p>Our entire governmental structure has taken leave of its senses.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy, NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy, NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know some of you commented on how naive it is to assume we can do anything but go in militarily or stay away. I believe this is another way. there are always those who are able to learn very quickly, and naturals at teaching. if one person like that in each village is taught how to do something, they can teach others. when people have to defend themselves from barbaric marauders, they have to be willing to learn how. if it has to be done in song format, we can do that. where there is electricity, and computers can be utilized, they don&#039;t have to read. computer programs can talk.(and, yes, they can come to my house and plug in their notebook computers) 

when women are victimized and constantly terrorized they feel (and are) weakened and hopeless. a plan they are confident can be carried out, with the proper training and tools, is something that gives a realistic sense of empowerment to people who are otherwise powerless.

arming them with real weapons like uzis and shotguns, and handguns to have with them all the time, the training in them and the supply, is crucial to saving them. 

americans on site, can be there very briefly. if they are military women, victims can see the strength in themselves mirrored. if we don&#039;t train for self defense, african women will continue to be victims of these or some other despicable sub humans. and in ways we don&#039;t want to think about, so will we.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know some of you commented on how naive it is to assume we can do anything but go in militarily or stay away. I believe this is another way. there are always those who are able to learn very quickly, and naturals at teaching. if one person like that in each village is taught how to do something, they can teach others. when people have to defend themselves from barbaric marauders, they have to be willing to learn how. if it has to be done in song format, we can do that. where there is electricity, and computers can be utilized, they don&#8217;t have to read. computer programs can talk.(and, yes, they can come to my house and plug in their notebook computers) </p>
<p>when women are victimized and constantly terrorized they feel (and are) weakened and hopeless. a plan they are confident can be carried out, with the proper training and tools, is something that gives a realistic sense of empowerment to people who are otherwise powerless.</p>
<p>arming them with real weapons like uzis and shotguns, and handguns to have with them all the time, the training in them and the supply, is crucial to saving them. </p>
<p>americans on site, can be there very briefly. if they are military women, victims can see the strength in themselves mirrored. if we don&#8217;t train for self defense, african women will continue to be victims of these or some other despicable sub humans. and in ways we don&#8217;t want to think about, so will we.</p>
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