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		<title>By: A. Nonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Nonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I distinctly remember predictions from the late 60s that Japan will be ruling the world by the new millenium. Also, we were supposed to be starving by noe. Prognostication is a lot of fun, but there doesn&#039;t seem to be a lot of sense in brooding about it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I distinctly remember predictions from the late 60s that Japan will be ruling the world by the new millenium. Also, we were supposed to be starving by noe. Prognostication is a lot of fun, but there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a lot of sense in brooding about it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Chesler fans might want to check out Richard Fernandez&#039;s &quot;Belmont Club&quot;. 

One poster there  Leo Limbeck III  (L3 to friends) thoroughly debunks the notion of
transfer of wealth.  

We certainly have sent more cash abroad than we should have but that transfer of cash has in no way created wealth among the recipients.

Other Blemont Clubbers have joined in with the effects of theft, and so forth and so on.  

Problems we got.  Gloom and doom, we do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Chesler fans might want to check out Richard Fernandez&#8217;s &#8220;Belmont Club&#8221;. </p>
<p>One poster there  Leo Limbeck III  (L3 to friends) thoroughly debunks the notion of<br />
transfer of wealth.  </p>
<p>We certainly have sent more cash abroad than we should have but that transfer of cash has in no way created wealth among the recipients.</p>
<p>Other Blemont Clubbers have joined in with the effects of theft, and so forth and so on.  </p>
<p>Problems we got.  Gloom and doom, we do not.</p>
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		<title>By: cedarford</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/11/21/our-troubled-world-in-2025-expert-predictions/#comment-8318</link>
		<dc:creator>cedarford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emmons - 

Norman Borlaug, the Leader of the Team behind Green Revolution, warned it was a one-time deal. That the technology that boosted hi-yield agriculture did not imply that technology would triple it again as population rose. He has warned and warned against overpopulation complacency since the 70s.

&lt;i&gt;We humans (American in particular) will find a way to address any problems of population vs resources....Never underestimate the human capacity to address the needs required to survive.&lt;/i&gt;

Except when we humans don&#039;t. Which is the true lesson of history as civilizations collapse from too many people and futile &quot;solutions&quot; to problems of drought, salinization or loss of soil, crop disease or human disease from &quot;too much packed in too small an area&quot;. 
War and famine and even genocide are the consequence.
(Rwanda being the most overpopulated country in high-breeding Africa was a trigger to that genocide. Darfur is essentially a conflict over scarce arable land between nomads and farmers.) 

It is also disingenuous to declare 9/11 and the present economic catastrophe &quot;totally unforeseen events&quot;. After all the wars fought and economic recessions and depressions - it is silly to claim how &quot;shocked and surprised&quot; certain experts were when they happened again in our lifetime.
Intelligence services and business advisors have warned since the 70s that the inexorable trend towards overpopulated cities and lands will make governance difficult without authoritarian measures to allocate and restrict resources, deal with inadequate water, infrastructure and jobs for exploding populations.... That resource wars are inevitable, that &quot;borderless&quot; cultures and economies can take their dysfunctions global.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emmons &#8211; </p>
<p>Norman Borlaug, the Leader of the Team behind Green Revolution, warned it was a one-time deal. That the technology that boosted hi-yield agriculture did not imply that technology would triple it again as population rose. He has warned and warned against overpopulation complacency since the 70s.</p>
<p><i>We humans (American in particular) will find a way to address any problems of population vs resources&#8230;.Never underestimate the human capacity to address the needs required to survive.</i></p>
<p>Except when we humans don&#8217;t. Which is the true lesson of history as civilizations collapse from too many people and futile &#8220;solutions&#8221; to problems of drought, salinization or loss of soil, crop disease or human disease from &#8220;too much packed in too small an area&#8221;.<br />
War and famine and even genocide are the consequence.<br />
(Rwanda being the most overpopulated country in high-breeding Africa was a trigger to that genocide. Darfur is essentially a conflict over scarce arable land between nomads and farmers.) </p>
<p>It is also disingenuous to declare 9/11 and the present economic catastrophe &#8220;totally unforeseen events&#8221;. After all the wars fought and economic recessions and depressions &#8211; it is silly to claim how &#8220;shocked and surprised&#8221; certain experts were when they happened again in our lifetime.<br />
Intelligence services and business advisors have warned since the 70s that the inexorable trend towards overpopulated cities and lands will make governance difficult without authoritarian measures to allocate and restrict resources, deal with inadequate water, infrastructure and jobs for exploding populations&#8230;. That resource wars are inevitable, that &#8220;borderless&#8221; cultures and economies can take their dysfunctions global.</p>
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		<title>By: Ritchie Emmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ritchie Emmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t put much stock at all into reports of the future. How many reports with projections that go out decades turn out to be wrong? I&#039;d say way more so than the ones that turn out to be right. There are so many unforeseen intervening events that are going to take place between now and 2025 that predicting anything but the mere arrival of 2025 is all but useless. 

Who expected 9/11? That&#039;s had a profound impact on things. A year ago, who would have thought that there would be a collapse of the financial markets? The economy may well be changing forever into something that we can&#039;t yet recognize. A couple of decades ago who thought something like the Internet would alter our lives?

To commenter #1, the fear of overpopulation is overblown and has been for ages. And I&#039;m a little perplexed by your claim that overpopulation is the problem, but then in the same paragraph lament the problem of demographics in the West (as in too few people). We humans (American in particular) will find a way to address any problems of population vs resources. Where we used to grow one unit of food on a unit of land, we now can grow 2 or even 3 units on that same piece of land. Never underestimate the human capacity to address the needs required to survive. Especially if that capacity is of the American sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t put much stock at all into reports of the future. How many reports with projections that go out decades turn out to be wrong? I&#8217;d say way more so than the ones that turn out to be right. There are so many unforeseen intervening events that are going to take place between now and 2025 that predicting anything but the mere arrival of 2025 is all but useless. </p>
<p>Who expected 9/11? That&#8217;s had a profound impact on things. A year ago, who would have thought that there would be a collapse of the financial markets? The economy may well be changing forever into something that we can&#8217;t yet recognize. A couple of decades ago who thought something like the Internet would alter our lives?</p>
<p>To commenter #1, the fear of overpopulation is overblown and has been for ages. And I&#8217;m a little perplexed by your claim that overpopulation is the problem, but then in the same paragraph lament the problem of demographics in the West (as in too few people). We humans (American in particular) will find a way to address any problems of population vs resources. Where we used to grow one unit of food on a unit of land, we now can grow 2 or even 3 units on that same piece of land. Never underestimate the human capacity to address the needs required to survive. Especially if that capacity is of the American sort.</p>
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		<title>By: cedarford</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedarford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can see the effects of &quot;Free Trade!!&quot; being deletorious and key to America&#039;s decline as a great power. It is all about the slow sucking out of good jobs, technological and scientific edges, wealth of America in return for ChinaMart.

You shed most of your engineering, scientific R&amp;D jobs and value-added manufacturing jobs to Asia so &quot;consumers&quot; get cheaper stuff and don&#039;t have to learn so much or work so hard....you get a diminishing nation, losing it&#039;s wealth and edges in industry, technology, military and financial clout...and rooms full of great China junk in return.

Saying spooks claim it will be so in 2025 more than it is today, unless we rid ourselves of destructive globalist ideology, is an obvious no-brainer.

Kudos to the spooks for saying what the Right-Wing Republicans, Club for Growth ideologues, &quot;Technology will solve all problems&quot; crowd, Right-to-Lifers, the environmentalists, and Open Borders liberals all shun saying:

The world is overpopulated. Too many people soon to be chasing too few resources. Thus resource wars where the problem is not steady supplies of water and arable land, but excess humans. And an exhausted, demographically challenged West no longer able or willing to take on legitimate, let alone economic refugees. Or be the world&#039;s 9/11 and freedom of the seas service.

Not unless the &quot;Old Laws&quot; and &quot;Old Institutions&quot; like the UN and Geneva Conventions and various &quot;human rights laws&quot; dramatically change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can see the effects of &#8220;Free Trade!!&#8221; being deletorious and key to America&#8217;s decline as a great power. It is all about the slow sucking out of good jobs, technological and scientific edges, wealth of America in return for ChinaMart.</p>
<p>You shed most of your engineering, scientific R&amp;D jobs and value-added manufacturing jobs to Asia so &#8220;consumers&#8221; get cheaper stuff and don&#8217;t have to learn so much or work so hard&#8230;.you get a diminishing nation, losing it&#8217;s wealth and edges in industry, technology, military and financial clout&#8230;and rooms full of great China junk in return.</p>
<p>Saying spooks claim it will be so in 2025 more than it is today, unless we rid ourselves of destructive globalist ideology, is an obvious no-brainer.</p>
<p>Kudos to the spooks for saying what the Right-Wing Republicans, Club for Growth ideologues, &#8220;Technology will solve all problems&#8221; crowd, Right-to-Lifers, the environmentalists, and Open Borders liberals all shun saying:</p>
<p>The world is overpopulated. Too many people soon to be chasing too few resources. Thus resource wars where the problem is not steady supplies of water and arable land, but excess humans. And an exhausted, demographically challenged West no longer able or willing to take on legitimate, let alone economic refugees. Or be the world&#8217;s 9/11 and freedom of the seas service.</p>
<p>Not unless the &#8220;Old Laws&#8221; and &#8220;Old Institutions&#8221; like the UN and Geneva Conventions and various &#8220;human rights laws&#8221; dramatically change.</p>
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