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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to bring to your attention the recent apparent &quot;honor&quot; attack in Henrietta, New York and the press coverage thereof.  From the possible &quot;stress inflicted&quot; mental disorder excuse to the &quot;this is not Islam&quot; disclaimer, the press seem eager to not take the assailant at his own word as to his motivation in the attack.
See:http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008807170360</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to bring to your attention the recent apparent &#8220;honor&#8221; attack in Henrietta, New York and the press coverage thereof.  From the possible &#8220;stress inflicted&#8221; mental disorder excuse to the &#8220;this is not Islam&#8221; disclaimer, the press seem eager to not take the assailant at his own word as to his motivation in the attack.<br />
See:<a href="http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008807170360" rel="nofollow">http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008807170360</a></p>
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		<title>By: Suzanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ask what are we in the West seeking to change? Shed light and towards what purpose? As we get more and more instructed in the cultural abominations endemic under Islam as represented in the practice of &quot;honor killings&quot; - murdering of women at the hand of their closest and nearest - their own kin - the quest must be too to preserve the values by which democracy defines itself and advise how impact from alien practices erodes and sets in place a design of conquest - if you will - of own lands by the practitioner of this abomination. What indoctrination tools indeed have effected the allowed presence of &quot;honor killings&quot; on our shores? What troubles is not only that a culture of such practices exists - but that securing our values in the face of it has in large measure been abrogated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ask what are we in the West seeking to change? Shed light and towards what purpose? As we get more and more instructed in the cultural abominations endemic under Islam as represented in the practice of &#8220;honor killings&#8221; &#8211; murdering of women at the hand of their closest and nearest &#8211; their own kin &#8211; the quest must be too to preserve the values by which democracy defines itself and advise how impact from alien practices erodes and sets in place a design of conquest &#8211; if you will &#8211; of own lands by the practitioner of this abomination. What indoctrination tools indeed have effected the allowed presence of &#8220;honor killings&#8221; on our shores? What troubles is not only that a culture of such practices exists &#8211; but that securing our values in the face of it has in large measure been abrogated.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nair sounds like (reads like) dissembler and wordsmith.

I find his writing (carefully using &quot;South Asian&quot; as opposed to &quot;Muslim&quot;) repugnant.

Nor do I think a &quot;significant human rights campaign&quot; will do the trick.

Look into this assassin&#039;s face, a man who strangled his 25 year old daughter with a bungee cord after she filed to be divorced from her arranged marriage.  Look directly at this man who is currently making a big deal of only having properly prepared Islamic food in jail and who has told the judge he has done &quot;nothing wrong&quot;.

Then you can circumvent all the explanatory verbiage, as well as for parallel father slaughtering daughter stories in Britain, in Canada, in Italy...  (In Pakistan, in Saudi Arabia... but some of those may not make &quot;the news&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nair sounds like (reads like) dissembler and wordsmith.</p>
<p>I find his writing (carefully using &#8220;South Asian&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;Muslim&#8221;) repugnant.</p>
<p>Nor do I think a &#8220;significant human rights campaign&#8221; will do the trick.</p>
<p>Look into this assassin&#8217;s face, a man who strangled his 25 year old daughter with a bungee cord after she filed to be divorced from her arranged marriage.  Look directly at this man who is currently making a big deal of only having properly prepared Islamic food in jail and who has told the judge he has done &#8220;nothing wrong&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then you can circumvent all the explanatory verbiage, as well as for parallel father slaughtering daughter stories in Britain, in Canada, in Italy&#8230;  (In Pakistan, in Saudi Arabia&#8230; but some of those may not make &#8220;the news&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: George Jochnowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Jochnowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it would make sense for Othello to have been a Muslim, one must assume he was a Christian.  Consider his last words, near the end of Act V:

And I say besides, that in Aleppo once,
Where a malignant and turban&#039;d Turk
Beat a Venetian and traduced his state,
I took by the throat the circumcized dog
And smote him, thus. (Stabs himself)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it would make sense for Othello to have been a Muslim, one must assume he was a Christian.  Consider his last words, near the end of Act V:</p>
<p>And I say besides, that in Aleppo once,<br />
Where a malignant and turban&#8217;d Turk<br />
Beat a Venetian and traduced his state,<br />
I took by the throat the circumcized dog<br />
And smote him, thus. (Stabs himself)</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus is Lord, A Worshipping Christian&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;CNN Newspeak in Atlanta. Honor Killing=Cultural Misunderstanding; Pakistani=South Asian; Muslim=Holy Man/Victim.&#8221; by Dr. Phyllis Chesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesus is Lord, A Worshipping Christian&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;CNN Newspeak in Atlanta. Honor Killing=Cultural Misunderstanding; Pakistani=South Asian; Muslim=Holy Man/Victim.&#8221; by Dr. Phyllis Chesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS The Brits did geomapping of communities where honor murder was found and where jihadis were found. Lo and behold -- they overlapped. This means that where one occurs you can bet that the other occurs as well. I would also add FGM as Honor Soul Murder because the Somalis generally don&#039;t do honor killings but they do do FGM. The exception is Ayaan Hirsi Ali whose uncle put a bounty on her head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS The Brits did geomapping of communities where honor murder was found and where jihadis were found. Lo and behold &#8212; they overlapped. This means that where one occurs you can bet that the other occurs as well. I would also add FGM as Honor Soul Murder because the Somalis generally don&#8217;t do honor killings but they do do FGM. The exception is Ayaan Hirsi Ali whose uncle put a bounty on her head.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Kobrin, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent blog Phyllis. My two cents worth of thoughts. We shouldn&#039;t let us be frightened by the idea that there IS a link and commonality to domestic violence.  However there are important differences. In honor murder as you have written and repeatedly stressed bad behavior is culturally normalized. This normalization threatens our awareness and legal process that domestic violence is not acceptable nor to be tolerated; it is to be prosecuted. 

Second, honor killing and domestic violence mask an obsession generally for the female which is DELUSIONal. But in honor murder it is an incestuous obsession and delusion of the tiniest and most vulnerable female. This preprograms the female to expect unconsciously abusive behavior so that when they marry the male abuses them and they don&#039;t realize it is abnormal.  In domestic violence for example to take  Shakespeare&#039;s Othello who was a Muslim military Moor vs. Desdemona the daughter of an Italian senator - the relationship was not incestuous but Othello was delusional and in his culture abuse of women was normal. What people don&#039;t realize is that delusional jealousy in domestic violence is a known precursor of homicide.

Third, the problem with the media - mainstream  colludes and
also play off of the hype the pornography of abuse which is at the heart of the matter.  Could we even call it a kind of yellow journalism snuff film?? - I don&#039;t know how to put it
exactly but the sadomasochism of it is huge and unacknowledged.

It spreads into the west b/c it taps into this unspoken universal
sadomasochistic bondage. We know in domestic violence that there is a traumatic bonding between abuser-victim that dates back to early childhood Dutton has written on this extensively and I believe that is why early childhood rearing practices occurring in Arab Muslim cultures and other shame-honor cultures must be put on the table for discussion to better understand the ramifications of its violence -- not to excuse it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent blog Phyllis. My two cents worth of thoughts. We shouldn&#8217;t let us be frightened by the idea that there IS a link and commonality to domestic violence.  However there are important differences. In honor murder as you have written and repeatedly stressed bad behavior is culturally normalized. This normalization threatens our awareness and legal process that domestic violence is not acceptable nor to be tolerated; it is to be prosecuted. </p>
<p>Second, honor killing and domestic violence mask an obsession generally for the female which is DELUSIONal. But in honor murder it is an incestuous obsession and delusion of the tiniest and most vulnerable female. This preprograms the female to expect unconsciously abusive behavior so that when they marry the male abuses them and they don&#8217;t realize it is abnormal.  In domestic violence for example to take  Shakespeare&#8217;s Othello who was a Muslim military Moor vs. Desdemona the daughter of an Italian senator &#8211; the relationship was not incestuous but Othello was delusional and in his culture abuse of women was normal. What people don&#8217;t realize is that delusional jealousy in domestic violence is a known precursor of homicide.</p>
<p>Third, the problem with the media &#8211; mainstream  colludes and<br />
also play off of the hype the pornography of abuse which is at the heart of the matter.  Could we even call it a kind of yellow journalism snuff film?? &#8211; I don&#8217;t know how to put it<br />
exactly but the sadomasochism of it is huge and unacknowledged.</p>
<p>It spreads into the west b/c it taps into this unspoken universal<br />
sadomasochistic bondage. We know in domestic violence that there is a traumatic bonding between abuser-victim that dates back to early childhood Dutton has written on this extensively and I believe that is why early childhood rearing practices occurring in Arab Muslim cultures and other shame-honor cultures must be put on the table for discussion to better understand the ramifications of its violence &#8212; not to excuse it.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world is in an upside down state
Right is wrong and wrong is right and voices speaking truth hampered by well stated commentary by &quot;Tom&quot;.

So how is the veil of darkness pierced?
How to manifest light amidst all this darkness?

Define light first - as in speaking truth
And sharing in community on a daily basis what needs saying as by Dr. Phyllis Chesler and others whose gifts indeed are the essential weapon - means - that with the help of God - can reverse the insanity that has &quot;normalized&quot; in the world we now live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world is in an upside down state<br />
Right is wrong and wrong is right and voices speaking truth hampered by well stated commentary by &#8220;Tom&#8221;.</p>
<p>So how is the veil of darkness pierced?<br />
How to manifest light amidst all this darkness?</p>
<p>Define light first &#8211; as in speaking truth<br />
And sharing in community on a daily basis what needs saying as by Dr. Phyllis Chesler and others whose gifts indeed are the essential weapon &#8211; means &#8211; that with the help of God &#8211; can reverse the insanity that has &#8220;normalized&#8221; in the world we now live.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing surprises me. Just the other day in the UK a young Muslim teenager who had with two peers beaten up an Anglican priest in his churchyard was released by a judge, the latter having accepted that the assault was not religiously motivated. Excuse me? So assault and battery resulting in grievous bodily harm is ok if the assailant says he did it, what, for fun? The recent revelations about the al-Dura scam have caused not a ripple of interest or contrition on the part of the media. There is an appeasement afoot that is taking place at every intimate level of our society. The Lord Chief Justice recently added his authority to that of the Archbishop of Canterbury&#039;s assertion that Sharia law was inevitable. Just as with the appeasement of Khomeini before he returned to Iran, these people do not seem to realise that it is to the most reactionary elements that they are lending their very vocal support. As we know repeatedly from history, it only takes a determined, violent few to subvert and cow an entire nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing surprises me. Just the other day in the UK a young Muslim teenager who had with two peers beaten up an Anglican priest in his churchyard was released by a judge, the latter having accepted that the assault was not religiously motivated. Excuse me? So assault and battery resulting in grievous bodily harm is ok if the assailant says he did it, what, for fun? The recent revelations about the al-Dura scam have caused not a ripple of interest or contrition on the part of the media. There is an appeasement afoot that is taking place at every intimate level of our society. The Lord Chief Justice recently added his authority to that of the Archbishop of Canterbury&#8217;s assertion that Sharia law was inevitable. Just as with the appeasement of Khomeini before he returned to Iran, these people do not seem to realise that it is to the most reactionary elements that they are lending their very vocal support. As we know repeatedly from history, it only takes a determined, violent few to subvert and cow an entire nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst Muslims are the traitors like Gadahn or Walker, both suburban white boys.  But I try to equally hate all Islamic supremacist jihadis trying to subjugate us under sharia law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst Muslims are the traitors like Gadahn or Walker, both suburban white boys.  But I try to equally hate all Islamic supremacist jihadis trying to subjugate us under sharia law.</p>
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