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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Natasha&lt;/b&gt;

My observation related to J. Jackson and A. Sharpton (especially Jesse, Al seems capable of some evolution/self-awareness) peddling (for decades now) the shtick of victim-hood to blacks.

I was not referencing any actual black on black crime/black on white crime/white on black crime, whatever.

Jackson&#039;s off the cuff (&quot;hot mike&quot;) remark this week is a perfect example of how he is resentful of some newcomer (Barack Obama)  stealing his thunder and telling black men (Obama&#039;s Father&#039;s Day speech) to stand up and take responsibility for themselves and their actions.  

This is decidedly &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; the message that Jesse Jackson has grown wealthy propagating for most of his adult life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Natasha</b></p>
<p>My observation related to J. Jackson and A. Sharpton (especially Jesse, Al seems capable of some evolution/self-awareness) peddling (for decades now) the shtick of victim-hood to blacks.</p>
<p>I was not referencing any actual black on black crime/black on white crime/white on black crime, whatever.</p>
<p>Jackson&#8217;s off the cuff (&#8220;hot mike&#8221;) remark this week is a perfect example of how he is resentful of some newcomer (Barack Obama)  stealing his thunder and telling black men (Obama&#8217;s Father&#8217;s Day speech) to stand up and take responsibility for themselves and their actions.  </p>
<p>This is decidedly <b>not</b> the message that Jesse Jackson has grown wealthy propagating for most of his adult life.</p>
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		<title>By: SheilaG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheilaG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traveling Dave:

Islam does NOT condemn slavery as a precept. Islam condemns slavery of fellow Muslims. Non-Muslims are fair game.

And it is okay for Muslims to rape women whom they have conquered in war. They can take them because they are now their property.

Islam has two sets of laws: one for how you treat Muslims, and one for how you treat everybody else. Make sure you don&#039;t confuse them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traveling Dave:</p>
<p>Islam does NOT condemn slavery as a precept. Islam condemns slavery of fellow Muslims. Non-Muslims are fair game.</p>
<p>And it is okay for Muslims to rape women whom they have conquered in war. They can take them because they are now their property.</p>
<p>Islam has two sets of laws: one for how you treat Muslims, and one for how you treat everybody else. Make sure you don&#8217;t confuse them.</p>
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		<title>By: Traveling Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Traveling Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some facts:

The perpetrators were HINDU not MUSLIM.  Its different.
The article says the victims were Indonesian.  This means there is an 86.1% chance they were Muslim.  (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/id.html)

Islam condemns slavery as a precept.

Some commentors here wish to imply that the evil actions of the followers of a religion indicate that the religion itself is evil.  Since most humans don&#039;t live up to the teachings of their religion, this is not a  line of argument that any religion can survive, (just to hammer the point home - that includes Christianity).

As a side note, I cannot resist pointing out that at the time Republicans were screaming bloody murder about Americans involvement in the Balkans.  It is amusing to now hear that Bill Clinton got it right.

I had always thought discipline was a considered a conservative value.   That goes for intellectual discipline as well, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some facts:</p>
<p>The perpetrators were HINDU not MUSLIM.  Its different.<br />
The article says the victims were Indonesian.  This means there is an 86.1% chance they were Muslim.  (<a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/id.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/id.html</a>)</p>
<p>Islam condemns slavery as a precept.</p>
<p>Some commentors here wish to imply that the evil actions of the followers of a religion indicate that the religion itself is evil.  Since most humans don&#8217;t live up to the teachings of their religion, this is not a  line of argument that any religion can survive, (just to hammer the point home &#8211; that includes Christianity).</p>
<p>As a side note, I cannot resist pointing out that at the time Republicans were screaming bloody murder about Americans involvement in the Balkans.  It is amusing to now hear that Bill Clinton got it right.</p>
<p>I had always thought discipline was a considered a conservative value.   That goes for intellectual discipline as well, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will somone please explain to me why this couple is not going to be prosecuted more? I propose that the couple should be forced to undergo the same treatment that they gave these two women. When that is finished, they should be expelled from the country, and the government should take away any of their company holdings, and give them to the two women. This is a very harsh punishment, I know, but it should serve as a deterrent to all who might commit this crime in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will somone please explain to me why this couple is not going to be prosecuted more? I propose that the couple should be forced to undergo the same treatment that they gave these two women. When that is finished, they should be expelled from the country, and the government should take away any of their company holdings, and give them to the two women. This is a very harsh punishment, I know, but it should serve as a deterrent to all who might commit this crime in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why do I, a white girl, have to awaken Al Sharpton/ Jesse Jackson?

Al and Jesse are way too busy reminding black Americans how awful their lot is. Al and Jesse have gotten quite rich (personally) extolling this point, tedious and false as it may be.&quot;

Hmmm, guess you aren&#039;t aware of the crisis going on in Dunbar Village?

some info for you, a tad interesting to say the least...seems there is some discontent at the indifference of black leaders there as well,

http://whataboutourdaughters.blogspot.com/2008/06/dunbar-village-one-year-later.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why do I, a white girl, have to awaken Al Sharpton/ Jesse Jackson?</p>
<p>Al and Jesse are way too busy reminding black Americans how awful their lot is. Al and Jesse have gotten quite rich (personally) extolling this point, tedious and false as it may be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm, guess you aren&#8217;t aware of the crisis going on in Dunbar Village?</p>
<p>some info for you, a tad interesting to say the least&#8230;seems there is some discontent at the indifference of black leaders there as well,</p>
<p><a href="http://whataboutourdaughters.blogspot.com/2008/06/dunbar-village-one-year-later.html" rel="nofollow">http://whataboutourdaughters.blogspot.com/2008/06/dunbar-village-one-year-later.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points on several sides here, I do believe that the situation in Sudan has been in fact contributed to not only by US but Europe and China, this has been a long on going conflict/Expansionism for many years, not just Islamic as a religion expansion/genocide of non-Muslims but its also been about hoarding of wealth/oil [going back to Chevron] and land.

But on one point, to this:  &quot;If we did try to stop the war in the Sudan - or get rid of Mugabe - we would be protested against, murdered more overseas - and well… you all know...&quot;

Exactly--think on this for minute, the Russians were slam blasted when they entered Kabul, because they were surrounded [Afghan war],

now, take Americans intervening in Sudan, look at the geographical position, look at the situation in Congo And in Kenya, and then,

look at the major supporter/backer of Sudan--China.

Intervening in Sudan, I would bet, would be pushed at an appropriate and strategic time, not to aid Sudan, no, but to set up a perfect trap, it would be suicidal.  I might be wrong on this but if you add up all the cards, it could very well possibly be the perfect mouse trap with the peanut butter and the works.

the world underestimates Islam&#039;s war strategies, even if you look at Muhammad strictly through a military lens, the man was a genius in regards to not only expansionism, but how he used slaves/captives to build armies...and throughout the centuries Islamists have done one thing and one thing well,

they&#039;ve taken the curse of assimilation and used it to defeat their enemies.  They observe, they mobilize with some strict order, believe it or not, it might not seem that way, but if you look at history you can see it--they watch, and then they adapt.  They aren&#039;t the only ones who do this, but they do this better than any expansionist force that I can tell--even better than the Soviets did.  And due to their capability for martyrdom they have no issue in sacrificing for losses--just enough losses to see how the enemy defeats than they take that and learn from it.

Intervening in Sudan, I believe, just my opinion, I&#039;m by far no military expert but I believe it would be a strategical move on Their part--setting up the perfect trap, just as they did in Kabul.  They bait,

and if you think this is crazy, remember this, they know Very well how Americans react, to the visual images of genocide and ethnic cleansing--lets not forget Kosovo and Bosnia, and look at what is transpiring there today in both Kosovo and Albania and the expansionism towards Greece [and keep in mind the sway the communists have in Greece right now].

just a thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points on several sides here, I do believe that the situation in Sudan has been in fact contributed to not only by US but Europe and China, this has been a long on going conflict/Expansionism for many years, not just Islamic as a religion expansion/genocide of non-Muslims but its also been about hoarding of wealth/oil [going back to Chevron] and land.</p>
<p>But on one point, to this:  &#8220;If we did try to stop the war in the Sudan &#8211; or get rid of Mugabe &#8211; we would be protested against, murdered more overseas &#8211; and well… you all know&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly&#8211;think on this for minute, the Russians were slam blasted when they entered Kabul, because they were surrounded [Afghan war],</p>
<p>now, take Americans intervening in Sudan, look at the geographical position, look at the situation in Congo And in Kenya, and then,</p>
<p>look at the major supporter/backer of Sudan&#8211;China.</p>
<p>Intervening in Sudan, I would bet, would be pushed at an appropriate and strategic time, not to aid Sudan, no, but to set up a perfect trap, it would be suicidal.  I might be wrong on this but if you add up all the cards, it could very well possibly be the perfect mouse trap with the peanut butter and the works.</p>
<p>the world underestimates Islam&#8217;s war strategies, even if you look at Muhammad strictly through a military lens, the man was a genius in regards to not only expansionism, but how he used slaves/captives to build armies&#8230;and throughout the centuries Islamists have done one thing and one thing well,</p>
<p>they&#8217;ve taken the curse of assimilation and used it to defeat their enemies.  They observe, they mobilize with some strict order, believe it or not, it might not seem that way, but if you look at history you can see it&#8211;they watch, and then they adapt.  They aren&#8217;t the only ones who do this, but they do this better than any expansionist force that I can tell&#8211;even better than the Soviets did.  And due to their capability for martyrdom they have no issue in sacrificing for losses&#8211;just enough losses to see how the enemy defeats than they take that and learn from it.</p>
<p>Intervening in Sudan, I believe, just my opinion, I&#8217;m by far no military expert but I believe it would be a strategical move on Their part&#8211;setting up the perfect trap, just as they did in Kabul.  They bait,</p>
<p>and if you think this is crazy, remember this, they know Very well how Americans react, to the visual images of genocide and ethnic cleansing&#8211;lets not forget Kosovo and Bosnia, and look at what is transpiring there today in both Kosovo and Albania and the expansionism towards Greece [and keep in mind the sway the communists have in Greece right now].</p>
<p>just a thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SGT Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>SGT Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slavery should be a capital offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slavery should be a capital offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know the name of the perfume company these two slave-holding low-lifes run, so I can make sure I never, never buy anything from it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know the name of the perfume company these two slave-holding low-lifes run, so I can make sure I never, never buy anything from it?</p>
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		<title>By: Sensible</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sensible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lawyers probably say 200,000 is enough to settle it without a long appeal or driving the bad people into bankruptcy--which will make the maids unsecured creditors and likely to get only pennies.

Being against slavery is a particularly Western thing: in many places in the world its quite normal and has been for centuries. The US didn&#039;t invent it and does not propogate it. But for the US, England, France and some others, there&#039;d be more of it. 

Vani, it must be tough to see that Black Americans don&#039;t buy the &quot;Vani-world-view&quot; and aren&#039;t about to leave the US- a place they helped build and where they are richer than blacks anywhere else-for some fly-ridden, sinkhole.  Feel free, of course, to lead by example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lawyers probably say 200,000 is enough to settle it without a long appeal or driving the bad people into bankruptcy&#8211;which will make the maids unsecured creditors and likely to get only pennies.</p>
<p>Being against slavery is a particularly Western thing: in many places in the world its quite normal and has been for centuries. The US didn&#8217;t invent it and does not propogate it. But for the US, England, France and some others, there&#8217;d be more of it. </p>
<p>Vani, it must be tough to see that Black Americans don&#8217;t buy the &#8220;Vani-world-view&#8221; and aren&#8217;t about to leave the US- a place they helped build and where they are richer than blacks anywhere else-for some fly-ridden, sinkhole.  Feel free, of course, to lead by example.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If we did try to stop the war in the Sudan - or get rid of Mugabe - we would be protested against, murdered more overseas - and well… you all know.&lt;/i&gt;

I been amazed at how lefties and liberals bemoan the failure of the US to &quot;act&quot; in Sudan.

I have wondered (even out loud :) how would their tune change if, in fact, the US did some kind of unilateral intervention there ?  

These were the same L&#039;S &amp; L&#039;s who almost relentlessly condemned intervention in Iraq.  However, they didn&#039;t seem to appreciate the irony of their contradictory postures.

As my dad used to say, &quot;damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t&quot;

&quot;The Balkans&quot; went on on the Europeans&#039; doorstep.  The US did, eventually, put an end to the ongoing genocide while &quot;the Euros&quot; looked the other way.  

&lt;i&gt;...why do I, a white girl, have to awaken Al Sharpton/ Jesse Jackson?&lt;/i&gt;

Al and Jesse are way too busy reminding black Americans how awful their lot is.  Al and Jesse have gotten quite rich (personally) extolling this point, tedious and false as it may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If we did try to stop the war in the Sudan &#8211; or get rid of Mugabe &#8211; we would be protested against, murdered more overseas &#8211; and well… you all know.</i></p>
<p>I been amazed at how lefties and liberals bemoan the failure of the US to &#8220;act&#8221; in Sudan.</p>
<p>I have wondered (even out loud <img src='http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  how would their tune change if, in fact, the US did some kind of unilateral intervention there ?  </p>
<p>These were the same L&#8217;S &amp; L&#8217;s who almost relentlessly condemned intervention in Iraq.  However, they didn&#8217;t seem to appreciate the irony of their contradictory postures.</p>
<p>As my dad used to say, &#8220;damned if you do, damned if you don&#8217;t&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Balkans&#8221; went on on the Europeans&#8217; doorstep.  The US did, eventually, put an end to the ongoing genocide while &#8220;the Euros&#8221; looked the other way.  </p>
<p><i>&#8230;why do I, a white girl, have to awaken Al Sharpton/ Jesse Jackson?</i></p>
<p>Al and Jesse are way too busy reminding black Americans how awful their lot is.  Al and Jesse have gotten quite rich (personally) extolling this point, tedious and false as it may be.</p>
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