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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Hillary&#8217;s Going to Wellesley Tomorrow. Where Does She Stand on the Veiling of Muslim Students at Wellesley?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Diralect of Dialect</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2007/10/31/hillarys_going_to_wellesley_to/#comment-5458</link>
		<dc:creator>Diralect of Dialect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What could possibly be the basis for this statement: &quot;A Muslim headscarf, face veil, or full body covering and the ideology that accompanies it at this moment in history are not the same as an orthodox Jewish headcovering, a Catholic nun’s headcovering, or a Sikh’s turban.&quot;? A few reactionary crazies running in the streets some of whom happen to be wearing hijab should in way determine the political inclinations of those 
who wear the hijab for simply religious reasons. Can hijab be a political statement? Yes, in the hands of this new generation of hyperpoliticized reactionaries who don thehijab orother religious paraphenalia for a march to make a political statement but eschew it on a day to day basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What could possibly be the basis for this statement: &#8220;A Muslim headscarf, face veil, or full body covering and the ideology that accompanies it at this moment in history are not the same as an orthodox Jewish headcovering, a Catholic nun’s headcovering, or a Sikh’s turban.&#8221;? A few reactionary crazies running in the streets some of whom happen to be wearing hijab should in way determine the political inclinations of those<br />
who wear the hijab for simply religious reasons. Can hijab be a political statement? Yes, in the hands of this new generation of hyperpoliticized reactionaries who don thehijab orother religious paraphenalia for a march to make a political statement but eschew it on a day to day basis.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Hillary Clinton&#039;s opinion relative to wearing hijab at Wellesley relevant to anything under the sun ?

From last week&#039;s debate, it&#039;s apparent that Hillary isn&#039;t even going to offer a &quot;view&quot; on something like Eliot Spitzer&#039;s idea of furnishing drivers&#039; licenses to illegals in New York.

For the record, Hillary isn&#039;t interested in the worldview of Mr. Qaradawi.

She&#039;s interested in getting elected which, for her, involves saying whatever she construes as &quot;user friendly&quot; to whatever group she is standing in front of.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Hillary Clinton&#8217;s opinion relative to wearing hijab at Wellesley relevant to anything under the sun ?</p>
<p>From last week&#8217;s debate, it&#8217;s apparent that Hillary isn&#8217;t even going to offer a &#8220;view&#8221; on something like Eliot Spitzer&#8217;s idea of furnishing drivers&#8217; licenses to illegals in New York.</p>
<p>For the record, Hillary isn&#8217;t interested in the worldview of Mr. Qaradawi.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s interested in getting elected which, for her, involves saying whatever she construes as &#8220;user friendly&#8221; to whatever group she is standing in front of.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Azzam

Why not get these comments to the FBI and homeland Security?  I get from your post which is a little vague that traditional (violent?) Muslim groups are trying to recruit/convert students with this chaplain as a recruiter, bribing the students with secret funding?  Let the agents handle it.  A few  undercover agents will do more good than Clinton ever will.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Azzam</p>
<p>Why not get these comments to the FBI and homeland Security?  I get from your post which is a little vague that traditional (violent?) Muslim groups are trying to recruit/convert students with this chaplain as a recruiter, bribing the students with secret funding?  Let the agents handle it.  A few  undercover agents will do more good than Clinton ever will.</p>
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		<title>By: Azzam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azzam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment is addressed to Senator Hillary Clinton. I hope some student prints it and hands it to her.


Dear Senator Hillary,
From your student days at Stone Davis Hall you know many Muslim students and you still have not forgotten your friend from Pakistan Miss Spenta Captain (now Mrs. Spenta Kandawala).
Spenta has done so much for women&#039;s rights and written books.
When you go to Wellesley take the time  to visit the Chapel and compare if the scene is as you left it.
There is an alien ideology that is overpowering the scene at Muslim Student Association. Not that there are not any more Spentas there(yes, she was a Parsi but she wore Pakistani dress) but what is the guiding spirit now? On Eid day there was an Eid party at MIT (Room 6-120).
Well, it was no Eid party! Nancy Khalil, the Wellesley Muslim Chaplain was there with her Wellesley &quot;squad&quot; to listen to a Gentleman by the name of Suhaib Webb. Mr. Webb invoked the name of Mr. Qardawi five times in the first portion of his lecture (He was one hour late. Spoke from 6:00 to 6:6:30 P.M.) Interestingly, Mr. Webb was at Harvard, the day before and started his talk by saying:&quot;continuing my talk, what I said at Harvard yesterday.....&quot; And on Eid day Mr. Webb was giving the sermon at the new mosque ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.masboston.org/index.php?action=view&amp;id=61&amp;module=newsmodule&amp;src=%40random41940a897e943&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.masboston.org/index.php?action=view&amp;id=61&amp;module=newsmodule&amp;src=%40random41940a897e943&lt;/a&gt;           ) in Boston. His web site. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/&lt;/a&gt;
Isn&#039;t the ideology of Mr. Qardawi known to you, dear Senator?
Does not the &quot;ideology&quot; continueum call for hearings at the Senate.
You will get many parents and students as witnesses. Go to the website of the Muslim Student Association and check for yourself. That is how you left Wellesley in 1969?
It is not that students are to blame. They do not even understand what hit them! This is the same phenomena that is taking over all old institutions in the name of Islam, without defining whose Islam?
Who does not know the denomination of Mr. Qardawi? But does any student know the denomination of Mr. Webb? Is it different from Mr. Qardawi? Oh, really. Then what is it?
Mr. Qardawi is entitled to his free speech. Do Wellesley Muslim girls have the freedom: not to be exposed to him, if they so desire? Or all over America we have to be &quot;Qarda-wised&quot; without a hint of what is hitting us? That would be only possible if this ideology walked in through the front door. Your job as Senator is to find out as to how the back door opened? You held hearings for Muslim Chaplains in prisons. Why did you forget the Muslim Chaplains among American Students?
If you hold hearings, Ms. Chesler
will put you in touch with us parents. If not you, then who should we request?
God bless you,
A parent.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment is addressed to Senator Hillary Clinton. I hope some student prints it and hands it to her.</p>
<p>Dear Senator Hillary,<br />
From your student days at Stone Davis Hall you know many Muslim students and you still have not forgotten your friend from Pakistan Miss Spenta Captain (now Mrs. Spenta Kandawala).<br />
Spenta has done so much for women&#8217;s rights and written books.<br />
When you go to Wellesley take the time  to visit the Chapel and compare if the scene is as you left it.<br />
There is an alien ideology that is overpowering the scene at Muslim Student Association. Not that there are not any more Spentas there(yes, she was a Parsi but she wore Pakistani dress) but what is the guiding spirit now? On Eid day there was an Eid party at MIT (Room 6-120).<br />
Well, it was no Eid party! Nancy Khalil, the Wellesley Muslim Chaplain was there with her Wellesley &#8220;squad&#8221; to listen to a Gentleman by the name of Suhaib Webb. Mr. Webb invoked the name of Mr. Qardawi five times in the first portion of his lecture (He was one hour late. Spoke from 6:00 to 6:6:30 P.M.) Interestingly, Mr. Webb was at Harvard, the day before and started his talk by saying:&#8221;continuing my talk, what I said at Harvard yesterday&#8230;..&#8221; And on Eid day Mr. Webb was giving the sermon at the new mosque ( <a href="http://www.masboston.org/index.php?action=view&amp;id=61&amp;module=newsmodule&amp;src=%40random41940a897e943" rel="nofollow">http://www.masboston.org/index.php?action=view&#038;id=61&#038;module=newsmodule&#038;src=%40random41940a897e943</a>           ) in Boston. His web site. <a href="http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/</a><br />
Isn&#8217;t the ideology of Mr. Qardawi known to you, dear Senator?<br />
Does not the &#8220;ideology&#8221; continueum call for hearings at the Senate.<br />
You will get many parents and students as witnesses. Go to the website of the Muslim Student Association and check for yourself. That is how you left Wellesley in 1969?<br />
It is not that students are to blame. They do not even understand what hit them! This is the same phenomena that is taking over all old institutions in the name of Islam, without defining whose Islam?<br />
Who does not know the denomination of Mr. Qardawi? But does any student know the denomination of Mr. Webb? Is it different from Mr. Qardawi? Oh, really. Then what is it?<br />
Mr. Qardawi is entitled to his free speech. Do Wellesley Muslim girls have the freedom: not to be exposed to him, if they so desire? Or all over America we have to be &#8220;Qarda-wised&#8221; without a hint of what is hitting us? That would be only possible if this ideology walked in through the front door. Your job as Senator is to find out as to how the back door opened? You held hearings for Muslim Chaplains in prisons. Why did you forget the Muslim Chaplains among American Students?<br />
If you hold hearings, Ms. Chesler<br />
will put you in touch with us parents. If not you, then who should we request?<br />
God bless you,<br />
A parent.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary Clinton is not going to touch this subject directly with the proverbial ten-foot pole.  It would almost certainly destroy her political campaign.  It is all about race.  This may very well be the number one issue that discombobulates Democrats.  Dark skinned Muslims are perceived as victims of Western imperialism and oppression.  Nothing more needs to be said.

Barack Obama also appears to be so politically correct that he has come out for the politically suicidal position of supporting the proposed New York State law that would allow illegal aliens the right to obtain a driver’s license.  Even most regular Democrats reject this nonsense!  Nonetheless, this is what the hard-core leftists want---and neither Hillary nor Barack dare tell them to go to hell.  The ideological divisions within the Republican Party are mild next to those afflicting the Democrats.  This is becoming more obvious on a daily basis.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary Clinton is not going to touch this subject directly with the proverbial ten-foot pole.  It would almost certainly destroy her political campaign.  It is all about race.  This may very well be the number one issue that discombobulates Democrats.  Dark skinned Muslims are perceived as victims of Western imperialism and oppression.  Nothing more needs to be said.</p>
<p>Barack Obama also appears to be so politically correct that he has come out for the politically suicidal position of supporting the proposed New York State law that would allow illegal aliens the right to obtain a driver’s license.  Even most regular Democrats reject this nonsense!  Nonetheless, this is what the hard-core leftists want&#8212;and neither Hillary nor Barack dare tell them to go to hell.  The ideological divisions within the Republican Party are mild next to those afflicting the Democrats.  This is becoming more obvious on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Azzam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azzam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A young Harvard student explained the Jihad of a good student many years ago. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beliefnet.com/story/107/story_10725_1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.beliefnet.com/story/107/story_10725_1.html&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.icnefounderstrust.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.icnefounderstrust.net/&lt;/a&gt;
And this is not the Jihad of Mr. Qardawi.
Similarly, in America the Hijab(veil) of a any lady is her free choice.
But when it is instituted as an organized effort, as a statement of an ideology and not as a cultural or personal statement I think alarm bells should ring.
And it is not impolite to ask questions. If 100 % of Wellesley (Muslim girls) wear Hijab at time of Eid prayer what is there to question? But when it becomes a statement of separateness in labs, in gym, then I have to wonder.
Sensitivity and inquiry about an ideology are separate issues.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A young Harvard student explained the Jihad of a good student many years ago. <a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/story/107/story_10725_1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.beliefnet.com/story/107/story_10725_1.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.icnefounderstrust.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.icnefounderstrust.net/</a><br />
And this is not the Jihad of Mr. Qardawi.<br />
Similarly, in America the Hijab(veil) of a any lady is her free choice.<br />
But when it is instituted as an organized effort, as a statement of an ideology and not as a cultural or personal statement I think alarm bells should ring.<br />
And it is not impolite to ask questions. If 100 % of Wellesley (Muslim girls) wear Hijab at time of Eid prayer what is there to question? But when it becomes a statement of separateness in labs, in gym, then I have to wonder.<br />
Sensitivity and inquiry about an ideology are separate issues.</p>
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		<title>By: George Jochnowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Jochnowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 03:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is a difficult one.  Certainly one must draw the line at wearing a veil covering one&#039;s face when being photographed for a driver&#039;s license.  But by and large, it is a celebration of America&#039;s commitment to liberty not to make an issue of people&#039;s garb.  And of we are comfortable with liberty, that is already a rejection of fanaticism and oppression.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is a difficult one.  Certainly one must draw the line at wearing a veil covering one&#8217;s face when being photographed for a driver&#8217;s license.  But by and large, it is a celebration of America&#8217;s commitment to liberty not to make an issue of people&#8217;s garb.  And of we are comfortable with liberty, that is already a rejection of fanaticism and oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: feh</title>
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		<dc:creator>feh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this post is weak.  Your question for Clinton and other politicians is reasonable and even important, but your build up to this question itself is weak, and you admit you don&#039;t even know if your claims about Wellesley are remotely true.

And the reason I am telling you your argument is weak is because I suspect you may have the resources, credibility, and know how to get the answer to your questions in ways that other bloggers or even journalists could not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this post is weak.  Your question for Clinton and other politicians is reasonable and even important, but your build up to this question itself is weak, and you admit you don&#8217;t even know if your claims about Wellesley are remotely true.</p>
<p>And the reason I am telling you your argument is weak is because I suspect you may have the resources, credibility, and know how to get the answer to your questions in ways that other bloggers or even journalists could not.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know why this question is unfair?  Because of ALL our politicians, who will oppose the veiling of Muslim women at Wellsely or anywhere else?

Which politician will demand that UNIFEM and USAID fund domestic violence shelters and train women to defend them?  Which politician will call for Islamic states to revise their constitutions and develop a modern legal system to replace sharia?

No, I am afraid it is up to us, US.  If we form into an organization to demand that US foreign policy prioritize women&#039;s security by building Domestic Violence Shelters, arming and training women to protect them and by negotiating secular constitutions and legal changes to replace sharia laws, then it will happen.

Expecting global gender equality as US policy to come from any politician without an organization or many organizations demanding it is as futile as expecting politicians to prevent illegal immigration when the rich want cheap labor.

That is why the little the State Dept&#039;s Office of International Women&#039;s Issues under Condi Rice has done is still significant.  We might ask Hillary if she intends to continue the effort.  There is a bill being pushed now by Biden called the International Violence Against Women&#039;s Act which has some vague goals, but mainly exists to get money to NGOs working on global women&#039;s issues.  But like UNIFEM, no specifics such as DV Shelters are prioritized or even mentioned.  It looks to me like the CIA&#039;s front groups need funding.  We might ask Hillary what she would do to make this bill really relevant to reducing violence against Muslim women and increasing their safety.

But really politicians do not give us what we need - we take it.  For instance, Hillary is not promoting a single payer health care system -she is doing as much as the organized money will let her do to &quot;reform&quot; health care.

Our only power is numbers.  We must form a non profit, recruit and use direct action and our numbers to get what we need from the system. We must use the media. No politician is going to save us.  We have to do it ourselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know why this question is unfair?  Because of ALL our politicians, who will oppose the veiling of Muslim women at Wellsely or anywhere else?</p>
<p>Which politician will demand that UNIFEM and USAID fund domestic violence shelters and train women to defend them?  Which politician will call for Islamic states to revise their constitutions and develop a modern legal system to replace sharia?</p>
<p>No, I am afraid it is up to us, US.  If we form into an organization to demand that US foreign policy prioritize women&#8217;s security by building Domestic Violence Shelters, arming and training women to protect them and by negotiating secular constitutions and legal changes to replace sharia laws, then it will happen.</p>
<p>Expecting global gender equality as US policy to come from any politician without an organization or many organizations demanding it is as futile as expecting politicians to prevent illegal immigration when the rich want cheap labor.</p>
<p>That is why the little the State Dept&#8217;s Office of International Women&#8217;s Issues under Condi Rice has done is still significant.  We might ask Hillary if she intends to continue the effort.  There is a bill being pushed now by Biden called the International Violence Against Women&#8217;s Act which has some vague goals, but mainly exists to get money to NGOs working on global women&#8217;s issues.  But like UNIFEM, no specifics such as DV Shelters are prioritized or even mentioned.  It looks to me like the CIA&#8217;s front groups need funding.  We might ask Hillary what she would do to make this bill really relevant to reducing violence against Muslim women and increasing their safety.</p>
<p>But really politicians do not give us what we need &#8211; we take it.  For instance, Hillary is not promoting a single payer health care system -she is doing as much as the organized money will let her do to &#8220;reform&#8221; health care.</p>
<p>Our only power is numbers.  We must form a non profit, recruit and use direct action and our numbers to get what we need from the system. We must use the media. No politician is going to save us.  We have to do it ourselves.</p>
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