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September 5th, 2013 - 5:38 am
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Run for your lives! It’s inanimate objects!

Even by the standards of the Daily Beast/Newsweek/Whatever, there’s a remarkably silly and poorly argued piece of emotionalism masquerading as journalism by one Jamelle Bouie, in which our intrepid reporter sees a bunch of guns and freaks out:

For years, police officers in North Carolina had a choice when it came to confiscated guns. They could use them for law enforcement purposes—training, testing, examining—or they could destroy them.

But a new law passed by Republican lawmakers in the state changes that. Police officers can still use confiscated guns, but as of this week, they can’t destroy them. Instead, if a department wants to get rid of a gun, it has to sell it or auction it. Effectively, men and women who once worked to keep guns off of the streets must now moonlight as gun dealers.

The headline says it all: Gun Fanatics Score Big Victory in North Carolina. Here’s the gist of the argument:

It’s a fanaticism that hints at something elemental. It’s one thing to support and defend gun rights, which through the years have become an integral part of American identity. It’s something else entirely to oppose the destruction of guns used to commit violence and harm innocent people.

You read that right: the guns themselves committed violence and harmed innocent people, and therefore need to be destroyed before they can wound and kill again.

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Isn't that the simplistic if/then logic implied within their argument? It's not twisting words, its following their "thoughts" to their logical conclusion.

They are upset because confiscated firearms, i.e., those that have been involved in a crime, are being re-sold. Their argument: because guns were used, then those guns must be destroyed. Ergo, guns that have not killed people need not be destroyed. So, destruction of firearms is contingent upon the actions of those firearms. Conclusion: the guns that have killed must be punished, lest they kill again.
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So, let's say somebody commits murder by driving over another person with a government car. Would the government then have to destroy that car, even though it may still be functioning?

Since the new owner of the gun would have no memory of the crime, apparently the left believes that some sort of supernatural force follows a tool used to kill another person.
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"It’s something else entirely to oppose the destruction of guns used to commit violence and harm innocent people."

Uhm, Michael, you're doing something the gun-grabbers usually do; twisting words to fit their arguments. Nowhere does Bouie imply the guns themselves harmed people, she says they were "used" to commit violence. "Used", as in utilizing a tool or implement to achieve an end. This comports with the gun advocates often-heard claim that guns are just tools, and can't, of their own volition, harm anyone.

It's bad enough when the gun-grabbers, use magical thinking, and put words in people's mouths, but please, let's not do it ourselves
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Does Jamelle Bouie carte as much about actually punishing those who commit violent crimes, whether with guns or not, with long FIXED prison sentences or is she fixated on the tools used in their crime?
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The part that anti-gun rights crowd don't get, because they can't be bothered to learn, is that most guns recovered by police haven't been "involved in an act of violence" in any way that can be shown. Much like ATF traces, all that can said about these guns is they ended up in the hands of police.

Stolen car recovered with gun in it? It's on the table. Gun found in investigation of other crime and seized? On the table. Gun turned in by widow? On the table. Gun found walking in the woods that fell out of a holster then turned in? On the table.

Even the fact that a gun is found in the possession of a violent criminal doesn't mean that particular gun has any direct relation to a violent crime.

In any event the guns are going to licensed dealers, who will then only sell them with a background check. I thought that's what the anti-gun folks said they wanted?
32 weeks ago
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C'mon,Mike.When you're right,you don't need to resort to bullsh*t.She said,per your quotes,"...of guns USED to commit violence..."(my caps.,of course).She did not imply or say the guns themselves were responsible.Quite the contrary.For once,a firearmophobe(hey,it sounds no more stupid than"homophobe"or"islamophobe") wasn't COMPLETELY out to lunch.Putting words into peoples' mouths is a shameful trick of the left.Let them keep it-we don't need it.
32 weeks ago
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Yeah well, it's all part of the belief system.

Remember that silly TV series..."The dead Man's Gun"....??

These folks really believe....
32 weeks ago
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I actually see a few guns in that picture that would make nice little projects to tinker with in the coming winter months! Smith & Wesson always makes decent revolvers.

More seriously though, I live in NC and remember a couple of decades ago attending a gun auction the local sheriff's department conducted. Picked up a fun little .410 shotgun for pocket money.

Those guns were, like I suspect most will be, the result of confiscations related to breaking various rules regarding outdoor activities like hunting or fishing.

Get busted with a doe out of season - they can confiscate your truck, the boat you have on a trailer behind it, and everything inside the truck.

This would include that nice brand new Winchester Model 70 with the Leopold scope.

If you are high bidder at the auction, you pick up a nice hunting rifle package that could have cost one or two thousand dollars to put together for WAYYYYY less money.

Oh, and you also get to bid on the late model truck that was confiscated too! Yeah, the guy who was busted still has to make payments to the bank but if you win you get to drive around in a paid for vehicle that is yours legally free and clear.
32 weeks ago
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Of course as we saw in the post Katrina gun grab by NOLA law enforcement the really nice stuff confiscated never seems to surface again. Sure you may have a shot at a cheap shotgun, but that nicely equipped hunting rifle will never be seen by the public unless you happen to look for what some hunter cop is using during the season.
32 weeks ago
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Don't like abortion, don't have one. Don't like guns, don't own one.
32 weeks ago
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Don't like murder, don't commit one.


Oh, wait...
32 weeks ago
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So, let's say somebody commits murder by driving over another person with a government car. Would the government then have to destroy that car, even though it may still be functioning?

Since the new owner of the gun would have no memory of the crime, apparently the left believes that some sort of supernatural force follows a tool used to kill another person.
32 weeks ago
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In medieval times the superstitious attribution of supernatural powers to inanimate things was common. Often a special sword was thought to have the power to confer superhuman abilities to its owner. Modern Leftists seem to retain remnants of medieval thinking, at least when it serves their purpose.
32 weeks ago
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Do they have a mailing list of when the auction is? I'd like to be on that list. Looks like some pretty good deals.
32 weeks ago
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With the ultimate goal of eliminating all abortions still in mind, returning the issue to the States would be a first step.
32 weeks ago
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"...the attitude of the NRA and its supporters: any encroachment on gun rights—defined as the right to own any firearm, at any time..."

I purchased my NRA life membership during Reagan's Presidency and I don't recall EVER hearing this as being our platform. I'd like to know where this nitwit claims to be getting his info.
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I'm a member of the NRA, too, and I can verify that is NOT the NRA's position.

But, it is the strategy of the Democrat Party gun-grabbers to keep harassing legitimate gun owners until it is such a burden to legally own a gun, that hardly anyone does. Then they plan on banning ALL private gun ownership. Several leading gun-grabbers have publicly stated this position.

So it would not be surprising if gun owners refused to compromise with the gun-grabbers, and took a hard-nosed position on gun laws.
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"I can verify that is NOT the NRA's position."

Yes, that's the weakness of the NRA.

It IS the Second Amendment's position.
32 weeks ago
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Well, all that said, I'd love to have a 105. If nothing else, to annoy my Liberal neighbors. But I live in Commiefornia and soon even marshmallows will be banned. No thanks to the leftist loons in Sacramento.
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