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Evil Lives: The Erich Priebke Story

October 12th, 2013 - 7:21 pm

The Priebke affair speaks to us today, at least to those of us determined to destroy such evil.  He should have been executed.  Inevitably, he became the object of protests against the “injustice” to which he’d been subjected.  He wrote a ponderous memoir.  I have no doubt that, if he is not executed, we will some day read a ponderous memoir from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and that demonstrators will protest his unjust treatment.  Indeed, there have already been many demonstrations against Guantanamo.

Priebke and his fellow SS killers executed the 335 innocents in order to break the will of any Italian inclined to resist the Nazis, just as the Muslim fanatics of 9/11 sought to break our will twelve years ago.  Do we want the 9/11 terrorists to live a hundred years?

I hope we will be spared the shame of endless appeals and retrials, but somehow I have the horrible suspicion that it’s going to be Priebke all over again.

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The USA aligned with the lesser of two evils in WWII.

I think we allied with the lesser of threats. At that time, anyway.
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I wouldn't be surprised if George McGovern and Howard Zinn -- both of whom served on bomber crews -- killed more civilians than this guy did. The crew of the Enola Gay certainly did.

And William Calley is walking around free.

Maybe the moral of the story is that war is really bad and it's the ones who start them who are the monsters; not the desensitized, pressured fellows who wind up fighting them.

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Why has there never been an effort to hunt down the mass murderers under Stalin? Because they were communist and thus supported by many in this country, even today? The more the years go by and the silence on this fraud continues, the more fraudulent it makes all other efforts to capture and try those Hitler. Why the disparity? They were BOTH murderous.
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3- At that time even the Atheism nation "the Russians", although they were much worse than the brutal Nazis but it is said they did not stained their hands with the Jews bloods in the World War II period although they had a long history of anti-Semitism. The Russians did not hate the Jews. Jews in Russia were in important posts. Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky were in very prominent positions in Stalin regime, they were of the most powerful and influential leaders in USSR, both had Jewish ancestry. The USSR was officially an atheistic country and they did not treat any religion favorably yet Stalin did not hate Jews. Under his leadership before the war, there was large scale campaign against anti-Semitism. During the war no pogroms happened by Russians against their Jewish neighbours, although during the 1930s was there the Great Purges by Stalin's regime, after all, Joseph Stalin did not establish the Death Camps for Jews, because that repression was not specifically aimed at the Jews. Jews, as an ethnic group, were not specifically targeted by Stalin. the campaign of great purges was targeted all citizens accused of conspiring against the Stalinist regime. Most probably it was political not ethnical.
When the USSR invaded Poland from the East in a pact with the Nazis to divide the country, the Polish Jews were better treated than the Polish locals. The Poles were seen in the Russian's eyes as traditional enemies, while the Jews were not. Add to that, there was a great one thing by Russians during WWII. Although Russians force mostly consider as "immoral atheistic force", but they had a great share during the war where "their troops was helped liberate concentration camps in Poland". In general, the Russians participated in the liberation of Europe from Nazi, they did from the East, while the USA and its allies came from the West. But the Americans had the greatest share in the liberation of Europe from the Nazi and to end the War. Yes, it was only thanks for the willingness of the US to project power that has helped prevent war. while the reluctance of the US to use the power has often caused wars. The neglect of the superpower to project power against Nazi during period between the two World Wars has helped Hitler to buying more of time to build his army which has helped him to perpetrate his atrocities and massacres in the right of Jews. and today likewise the Iranians acting!

This is a survey done by the Institute for Public Opinion Research on Polish kids in a country where only a very small handful of Jews now live. Not to mention the hatred also by older people. I Am not a Pole but rabidly pro-Jews. I am here for a long time in Poland, where I saw this horrible thing.
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/131489/do-polish-kids-hate-jews
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2-About half of Polish Jews died due to starvation, disease and mass shooting by the Nazis and their collaborators. In fact the Poles did little to protect their Jewish neighbors, while in some European countries the people banded together to protect their Jews. Poles worked in the ghettos and camps and watched their Jewish neighbors suffer and die, and rarely did anything to help them. The fact that the Poles have betrayed their Jewish neighbors, turned against them, pointing them out to the Nazi, sold them to Nazi, locked them into a Ghetto, packed them off to extermination camps and then, just when it was over they thought it best to try to finish Hitler's work. After WWII when the Jews were freed from concentration camps in Poland that the Poles tried to continue Hitler's work and exterminate the Jews because they blamed them on their problems. Such gruesome acts had happened mostly in most of rural areas and many major towns, whereas in some other European countries had a fairly good record in protecting their Jewish populations from the Nazis, including (Bulgaria, Italy, Finland, Norway and even France). In Denmark and Holland the people banded together to protect the Danish and Hollander Jews. In Denmark they actually smuggled virtually all the Jews to Switzerland before the Nazi's invaded. The fact that Jews were the highest survival rate even in those countries that aligned with Nazi Germany, a countries had laws that permitted the extermination of Jews from their territories (e.g. Italy, France, Finland, and Bulgaria) that rejected Nazi anti-Semitism, the Jews survived in great numbers because there was no mass anti-Semitism in those countries. For example, Italy was an ally of Nazi during WWII. when comparing Italy with other European countries, we see that the fascist Italy, ITALY WAS A HEAVEN OF SAFETY AND SECURITY NOT ONLY FOR ITALIAN JEWS BUT FOR THOUSANDS OF JEWISH REFUGEES WHO WERE FLEEING NAZI PERSECUTION IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. Italians did NOT committed any atrocities against their Jews just as the Nazi and its collaborators from Baltic States and Central Europe acted. Mussolini and his people consistently protected Jews throughout the war years. Italian Jews were in important positions in Mussolini's government. No Jews were shipped to Concentration camps from Italy until Italy has lost its sovereignty and the SS took direct control over Italy late of the war. Might some Jews were persecuted in fascist Italy after passage of anti-Jewish laws "laws for the defense of the race", but they were NOT murdered by Italians, they were killed by the Nazis when the Nazi occupied Italy.
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1-Yes, indeed the Americans have destroyed the greatest evil ever known in human history (the Nazism) and more recently the evil empire (the Soviet Union). and though the wider world Communism has not ended yet. But the evil of communism was not as much as the evils of Nazi barbarism, and will not be as much as the evils of fundamentalist Islamic barbarism. All of them an ideologies mainly based on evil principles and values that despise the human, while the values and principles of America protect and safeguard the human rights. Yes, you as a (Great nation) you liberated Europe and Asia and the world from the Nazi barbarism and from Japanese aggression.
However, Europe is still shockingly awash in anti-Semitism, for instance still active in this country "Poland". And all know that anti-Semitism was the main reason of the persecution of Jews throughout Europe, it was the main reason behind the extermination of millions of them on the soil of this country during the Holocaust. Yes, Poland had a terrible long history of Anti-Semitism before World War II. The Polish church was the major force promoting hatred toward Jews and is still at present. A parts of Catholic Church today shockingly is anti-Semitic. In general, the hostility toward Jews in Europe it is an inherited hostility among Europeans since the Middle Ages, since the Jews migrated to Europe. There is a long-standing history of the persecution of Jews throughout Europe, and even chased them to "the birthplace of their Patriarchs in the Great Jerusalem" during the crusades. For example, in England, Richard the Lionheart had ordered all Jews to be killed, at that time happened massacres, many Jews were beaten to death, robbed, and burned alive and many Jewish homes were burned down, and several Jews were forcibly Baptised. In fact the extermination of the Jews during the Holocaust was mainly based on "Anti-Semitism". It was a common cultural hatred that was widespread throughout Europe, but specifically in (Central of East of Europe) and it's still widespread in Europe because Euro nations still POISONED BY ANTI-SEMITISM. I say it honestly "if Poland or any other European country possess the same military power that America possesses, I am pretty sure they will eat the Jews again", the same is true of the most evil radical Islamic regimes as the Mullahs of Iran. This thing should not be excluded from mind, but thanks God that Jews and their the close and loyal friends are almost ruling some European countries.
One of the main reasons of anti-Semitism in Central and Eastern of Europe is these countries traditionally is considered as "Christian Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant" where most of Eastern European people were very religious, whereas the Jews were the strangers, the ones who were the traditional enemies of Christian tradition. In the Biblical stories which the local peasants had heard "that the Jews were depicted as (Christ killers)." So, if there were any bad event has happened in any village or the country such as illnesses, business failed or the like, then the outsiders would be blamed for that. This of course was basically one of main reasons for Jewish hatred.
In Poland and mostly in rural areas and many major towns, the Jews were massacred and robbed by their neighbors during and after WWII. the Polish police and some Polish countrymen were collaborator with Nazi. They happily worked with the SS to round up Jews and sending them to the Polish Death Camps that managed by villain collaborators of Poles and from other nationalities of Central and Eastern of Europe.
After the War, and away from the Nazi. In the middle of 60s, and during the Polish government's anti-Semitic campaign led by Polish Interior Minister General Moczar, there were a purges against Jews from important posts including professors, lawyers, doctors, engineers...etc. And there was a severe reprisals against citizens of Jewish ancestry in Poland during and even before the official anti-Jewish campaign of the Polish government "anti-Zionist campaign" that was began in 1967 had led to the exodus in 1968 of most of "Poland's surviving Jewish population." At that time, thousands of Polish Jews were deprived of their citizenship in the 1968 Polish political crisis. This indeed proves that how Poles are today a liars and a deceitful and don't want to face their terrible past. According to some testimonies by survivors Jews have showed how racist Polish people are, and how they deceitful in manipulating the world into thinking that Poland was always the victim and never the wrongdoer, yet, they were killing Jews even after the war was over.

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Another thing about the Nuremburg trials is that they were a successful attempt to save lives. By announcing the trials towards the end of the war, they caused many of the people on the spot to hold back, and saved many innocent lives.

Ironically if the Nazis has known how anemic the actual punishments would be, and how many would get off ("converting" to Communism brought absolution, among other things), they probably would have gone full speed ahead, Heaven forbid.
41 weeks ago
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Even in Nuremberg, only a few leaders were executed, the rest were imprisoned and sentences commuted after a few years. So Priebke would have gotten similar sentences and treatment if he had stayed in Germany after the war.
41 weeks ago
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Vance Jones, party member, CPUSA, is a CNN commentator.
plus la change
41 weeks ago
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But Vance Jones never killed anyone. He is free to be a communist, free to be stupid, he's protected by the First Amendment.
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>> He invoked the Nurenberg defense: just carrying out orders. It worked in military court, to the shame of the judges. ... He should have been executed.

In defense of the judges, there never should have been any trials. The Americans and the British wanted to execute the leaders summarily. That was the standard of the day, and would have been entirely uncontroversial to the American and British public. Civilian and military leaders knew what would happen to them if they lost and were subjugated. It was Stalin's idea to have trials, and the Allies acquiesced for reasons that mystify me.
41 weeks ago
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I recall that when American soldiers wanted to shoot the Nazis on the spot. Never was I so proud of our boys as when I heard that.
41 weeks ago
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The notwithstanding clause in Canada can be used to protect those who would air "Judgment at Nuremberg", from those who use the legal system to intimidate those who view life differently.

Has it come to pass that anything that is politically unfashionable would see television stations, radio stations, book publishers, newspaper publishers, & those on the internet sued into oblivion by those who didn't like what was communicated?

Well, I say it is time to find places that pay more than lip service to freedom of speech, and communicate from their. Expecting the US government, or any other government, to protect that right - well, lets just say I don't have much confidence in finding that government.
41 weeks ago
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Priebke is a typical European. Probably 80% of Europeans dont think he did anything wrong
41 weeks ago
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i doubt that, more like 10 % to 20%. the fringe.
but enough to cause real trouble if united.
see Greece.
41 weeks ago
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The Power of Nightmares

The Power of Nightmares, subtitled The Rise of the Politics of Fear, is a BBC documentary film series, written and produced by Adam Curtis. Its three one-hour parts consist mostly of a montage of archive footage with Curtis's narration. The series was first broadcast in the United Kingdom in late 2004 and has subsequently been broadcast in multiple countries and shown in several film festivals, including the 2005 Cannes Film Festival.

The films compare the rise of the Neo-Conservative movement in the United States and the radicalIslamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and claiming similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies.

The Power of Nightmares has been praised by film critics in both Britain and the United States. Its message and content have also been the subject of various critiques and criticisms from conservatives and progressives.

http://archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares-E... [http://archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares-Episode1BabyItsColdOutside]
41 weeks ago
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Ah, yes, just like their predecessors downplaying Nazism and Communism. They never change.

How silly.
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