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		<title>By: kicks hornet's nests</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/11/12/feds-move-against-iranian-mosques-1st-amendment-rears-its-head/#comment-46989</link>
		<dc:creator>kicks hornet's nests</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you trolls actually read the *Koran* or *Bible*, or any other religion&#039;s theological doctrines, for that matter? Or are you just basing your opinions on what little information your little minds have allowed themselves to take in, without even contemplating other points of view or trying to look at the big picture and be objective for once, even if you still end up disagreeing after having done some actual real research and contemplation? Just some suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you trolls actually read the *Koran* or *Bible*, or any other religion&#8217;s theological doctrines, for that matter? Or are you just basing your opinions on what little information your little minds have allowed themselves to take in, without even contemplating other points of view or trying to look at the big picture and be objective for once, even if you still end up disagreeing after having done some actual real research and contemplation? Just some suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Independant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Independant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: M. Ledeen, I meant Post #45.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: M. Ledeen, I meant Post #45.</p>
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		<title>By: tekhelet16</title>
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		<dc:creator>tekhelet16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: your article &quot;Feds move against mosques&quot;, it seems Ibrahim cooper is making veiled threats when he says the actions &quot;may send a negative message to muslims worldwide&quot;. In other words, if we can&#039;t do what we want we&#039;ll make trouble.
We in UK already have this powerful fifth column; that is why these jihadis can demonstrate against our troops with impunity.
I had not realised, before the Fort Hood killings that you too have this islamic fifth column.
It seems your president has forgotten that the attacks on the World Trade Centres(which I had the priviledge of standing on in the 1970&#039;s) was a declaration of war by muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: your article &#8220;Feds move against mosques&#8221;, it seems Ibrahim cooper is making veiled threats when he says the actions &#8220;may send a negative message to muslims worldwide&#8221;. In other words, if we can&#8217;t do what we want we&#8217;ll make trouble.<br />
We in UK already have this powerful fifth column; that is why these jihadis can demonstrate against our troops with impunity.<br />
I had not realised, before the Fort Hood killings that you too have this islamic fifth column.<br />
It seems your president has forgotten that the attacks on the World Trade Centres(which I had the priviledge of standing on in the 1970&#8242;s) was a declaration of war by muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Shining City</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shining City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading your remarks sickens me with your hate freely dispenced on a faith practiced by millions of people peacefully. You or I may not believe as they do...but the Gov. taking these proporties are to protect Islam and too punish the guilty.  Please do not mix the two.
Remember our own history of the Christany...where the Church burn so many at the stake for  questioning the Church.  Many where burned because they believed the Earth was round, for reading and publishing the Bible.  If you were anti-Chatholci..Jew..or Muslin you were burned.  These acts where committed by the Church at a time when the Church was the Authority but was losing power to the Monarchy. 
Islam has given the world so much... books as we know it chapter and verse..before we only had scrolls.
Univerities and Colleges are from Islam..Science ..Medicine..Architecture...saving of the writtings from Greek and Roman Emprires...these things and so much more where handed down to us from Islam.
Today Islam is facing a cancer within it&#039;s own faith...after centuries of rule by the Ottoman Emprire and the decades of Dictators in the 20th and early 21th Century.  Islam past glories still stand today some built in the 13th century...libraries full of writing centuries old covered in dust unreaded..their faith griped with a stangle hold by radicals...or Imans who distort it&#039;s teachings....people who have been threaten all of their lives by bullies using Islam..as we were  in the 13th..14th..15th centuries by our own church.
As we once were in bondage so are they...Our Freedom has made it possible for us to worship as we please...Untill the Islamic people are free they will live in fear from those who disort their faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading your remarks sickens me with your hate freely dispenced on a faith practiced by millions of people peacefully. You or I may not believe as they do&#8230;but the Gov. taking these proporties are to protect Islam and too punish the guilty.  Please do not mix the two.<br />
Remember our own history of the Christany&#8230;where the Church burn so many at the stake for  questioning the Church.  Many where burned because they believed the Earth was round, for reading and publishing the Bible.  If you were anti-Chatholci..Jew..or Muslin you were burned.  These acts where committed by the Church at a time when the Church was the Authority but was losing power to the Monarchy.<br />
Islam has given the world so much&#8230; books as we know it chapter and verse..before we only had scrolls.<br />
Univerities and Colleges are from Islam..Science ..Medicine..Architecture&#8230;saving of the writtings from Greek and Roman Emprires&#8230;these things and so much more where handed down to us from Islam.<br />
Today Islam is facing a cancer within it&#8217;s own faith&#8230;after centuries of rule by the Ottoman Emprire and the decades of Dictators in the 20th and early 21th Century.  Islam past glories still stand today some built in the 13th century&#8230;libraries full of writing centuries old covered in dust unreaded..their faith griped with a stangle hold by radicals&#8230;or Imans who distort it&#8217;s teachings&#8230;.people who have been threaten all of their lives by bullies using Islam..as we were  in the 13th..14th..15th centuries by our own church.<br />
As we once were in bondage so are they&#8230;Our Freedom has made it possible for us to worship as we please&#8230;Untill the Islamic people are free they will live in fear from those who disort their faith.</p>
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		<title>By: shanghaicharlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>shanghaicharlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kochevnik,

Wikipedia? That&#039;s your authority? That ought to bring to our knees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kochevnik,</p>
<p>Wikipedia? That&#8217;s your authority? That ought to bring to our knees.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open Islam up for debate? You&#039;re kidding, right? There&#039;s only one way to stop them, and we all know what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Islam up for debate? You&#8217;re kidding, right? There&#8217;s only one way to stop them, and we all know what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: kochevnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>kochevnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>85@Gary McPhee:

Here&#039;s something to get you oriented Gary:  http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Vatican_&amp;_Jesuits</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>85@Gary McPhee:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something to get you oriented Gary:  <a href="http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Vatican_&#038;_Jesuits" rel="nofollow">http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Vatican_&#038;_Jesuits</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dwight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#75 Dave S wrote Personally, I think that’s a little too bloodthirsty under the circumstances, but I certainly have no trouble understanding what it is you liberals did to force the Germans and Japanese to their knees.

And it must be a good thing, becuase you libtards are always telling us what great presidents Roosevelt and Truman were (even though they weren’t).

Being a centrist, I&#039;ll settle for &quot;Personally, I think that’s a little too bloodthirsty under the circumstances.&quot;   BUT under the circumstances, A LOT too bloodthirsty.  The Governments of Germany and Japan did x,y, and z, and then so did we.

C&#039;mon, if you can&#039;t see that the current scenario is significantly different, then your eyes are closed.  But then, you know that it is different.  I don&#039;t care if FDR and Truman were libtards or the opposite, whatever that would be.

You seem to feel a clear thread of connection between Lincoln Republicans and current Republicans and the same for Franklin Pierce Democrats, FDR, and Obama.  Sorry, it just does not compute.  American History with its shifting sands is a lot more complicated than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#75 Dave S wrote Personally, I think that’s a little too bloodthirsty under the circumstances, but I certainly have no trouble understanding what it is you liberals did to force the Germans and Japanese to their knees.</p>
<p>And it must be a good thing, becuase you libtards are always telling us what great presidents Roosevelt and Truman were (even though they weren’t).</p>
<p>Being a centrist, I&#8217;ll settle for &#8220;Personally, I think that’s a little too bloodthirsty under the circumstances.&#8221;   BUT under the circumstances, A LOT too bloodthirsty.  The Governments of Germany and Japan did x,y, and z, and then so did we.</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon, if you can&#8217;t see that the current scenario is significantly different, then your eyes are closed.  But then, you know that it is different.  I don&#8217;t care if FDR and Truman were libtards or the opposite, whatever that would be.</p>
<p>You seem to feel a clear thread of connection between Lincoln Republicans and current Republicans and the same for Franklin Pierce Democrats, FDR, and Obama.  Sorry, it just does not compute.  American History with its shifting sands is a lot more complicated than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the difference between you and Jefferson Davis would be…what?”

Well, for starters we aren’t Democrat Party slave-owners who are hot to turn traitor so that we can own other human beings without interference from the feds.

That’s part of YOUR proud tradition.

Not ours.&quot;

As far as I&#039;m concerned, when you put it that way, then I&#039;m a Republican too.  But current Republicans (or should I say Righties? might be questioning Mr Lincoln on his refusal to let the Southron people &quot;alter or abolish it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the difference between you and Jefferson Davis would be…what?”</p>
<p>Well, for starters we aren’t Democrat Party slave-owners who are hot to turn traitor so that we can own other human beings without interference from the feds.</p>
<p>That’s part of YOUR proud tradition.</p>
<p>Not ours.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, when you put it that way, then I&#8217;m a Republican too.  But current Republicans (or should I say Righties? might be questioning Mr Lincoln on his refusal to let the Southron people &#8220;alter or abolish it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most respectfully, Mr. Ledeen, I think the First Amendment issue is a red herring. It is well-settled law in this country that speech which incites violence or other criminal behavior is not protected. Conspiracies hatched by jihadis are not exempt from prosecution merely because the conspirators choose to hatch their plot in a mosque. Imams do not have a First Amendment freedom of religion right to incite members of their congregations to commit murder and other acts of violence. In fact, an imam who does so could be prosecuted as an accessory to, or even possibly a co-conspirator in, a subsequent crime committed by others who were inspired by his preaching to commit the crime. To hold otherwise would lead to the anomalous result of rendering terrorists immune from punishment as long as they hatched their plots inside a mosque. If the minister at some Aryan Nations &quot;church&quot; encouraged members of his flock to go out and kill Blacks and Jews, and some of them were inspired to do so as a direct result of his sermons, you&#039;d better believe that that minister would be prosecuted, and no one would be agonizing over his First Amendment rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most respectfully, Mr. Ledeen, I think the First Amendment issue is a red herring. It is well-settled law in this country that speech which incites violence or other criminal behavior is not protected. Conspiracies hatched by jihadis are not exempt from prosecution merely because the conspirators choose to hatch their plot in a mosque. Imams do not have a First Amendment freedom of religion right to incite members of their congregations to commit murder and other acts of violence. In fact, an imam who does so could be prosecuted as an accessory to, or even possibly a co-conspirator in, a subsequent crime committed by others who were inspired by his preaching to commit the crime. To hold otherwise would lead to the anomalous result of rendering terrorists immune from punishment as long as they hatched their plots inside a mosque. If the minister at some Aryan Nations &#8220;church&#8221; encouraged members of his flock to go out and kill Blacks and Jews, and some of them were inspired to do so as a direct result of his sermons, you&#8217;d better believe that that minister would be prosecuted, and no one would be agonizing over his First Amendment rights.</p>
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