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		<title>By: Chicago Boyz &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quote of the Day</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/03/31/afghanistan-and-beyond/#comment-7890</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicago Boyz &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quote of the Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] -Michael Ledeen [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Kohn</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/03/31/afghanistan-and-beyond/#comment-7825</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Kohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some comments on this excellent piece re: Egypt-Israel. Begin was also worried about a Carter-Brezhnev imposed treaty and via Moshe Dayan reached out to the Egyptians. Sadat came to Jerusalem in dramatic fashion but only after the quiet negotiations begun by Israel. Key point remains however what Ledeen said about Israel&#039;s victory. Keep in mind that Israel was nearly defeated and that the Egyptians had initial success because their missiles prevented Israeli air superiority over the Canal. But the reason that happened was that to end of the War of Attrition which involved Israelis and Soviet pilots in dog fights the US brokered a deal whereby Israel ended deep penetration bombing of Egypt in exchange for Egyptian missiles staying far from the Canal Zone. Subsequently the Egyptians moved their missiles forward and of course the State Dept. not only did nothing to return the missiles to their agreed place but claimed Israeli complaints were exaggerated. Victory in war is essential to peace when dealing with dictatorial enemies and diplomacy that creates agreements routinely violated by one side without a price sets the stage for war at a disadvantage to the side that observes the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some comments on this excellent piece re: Egypt-Israel. Begin was also worried about a Carter-Brezhnev imposed treaty and via Moshe Dayan reached out to the Egyptians. Sadat came to Jerusalem in dramatic fashion but only after the quiet negotiations begun by Israel. Key point remains however what Ledeen said about Israel&#8217;s victory. Keep in mind that Israel was nearly defeated and that the Egyptians had initial success because their missiles prevented Israeli air superiority over the Canal. But the reason that happened was that to end of the War of Attrition which involved Israelis and Soviet pilots in dog fights the US brokered a deal whereby Israel ended deep penetration bombing of Egypt in exchange for Egyptian missiles staying far from the Canal Zone. Subsequently the Egyptians moved their missiles forward and of course the State Dept. not only did nothing to return the missiles to their agreed place but claimed Israeli complaints were exaggerated. Victory in war is essential to peace when dealing with dictatorial enemies and diplomacy that creates agreements routinely violated by one side without a price sets the stage for war at a disadvantage to the side that observes the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/03/31/afghanistan-and-beyond/#comment-7741</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post #26:

1. And Sadat was rewarded for his &quot;victory&quot; with asassination. The reason why Israel was in jeopardy of losing the war was because gov&#039;t failed to heed Mossad intelligence reports which indicated war was at hand. The Egyptians got the jump on Israel. This should be lesson number one for politicians anti-CIA. Another reason for peace is Israel&#039;s air superiority. They can strike virtually at will. 
2. That seems to be the problem with a lot of &quot;peace&quot; minded people. Peace must be a mutual agreement. One way peace is like a one way street with a dead end. I&#039;d like to see peace marchers march up a dead end street and keep going. Not that I want war but marching for peace without a similar contingent in the opponents country is like marching up a dead end street. 
3. Yeah the Dems like catchy phrases. Keeps the voters in their pocket. Shakespeare wrote &quot;A rose by any other name would smell as sweet&quot;. War by any other name is still full of blood and death. So Obama will wage war but in a kinder more gentler fashion. Yikes, war is hell why keep trying to make it a picnic? When war becomes fought like war then peace will ensue quicker and more lasting. The gist of my correspondence with Mr. Ledeen hinges on the premise that war is hell. When Iran and others understand that they are suffering horrible losses they will change their minds. I&#039;m not a man of war believe me I&#039;d rather have a drink and listen to realxing music. Politicians do nothing but talk. They can&#039;t run the corner grocery store but they tell all of us how to live. Now they are kicking out CEO&#039;s and running America&#039;s largest corporations. A recipe for failure couldn&#039;t be better prepared. Everything is now politicized even the weather. A heat wave means global warming a blizzard also means global warming how I can&#039;t figure but they will certainly have someone explain it to us. And the press if they like you will nod in agreement. The press adores our President. I&#039;ll bet within a year the press will start dismantling the statue they created. Europe is full of idiots. Why we keep any soldiers on their elitist continent is a mystery. They are adults and should be able to defend themselves. So Obama needs more troops and is asking NATO for some help? Why not take all of the troops out of Germany and send some of them to Afghanistan. The rest can come home or be sent to the Mexican border. Sorry to be running on but we just elected a liberal President with an already liberal majority in both houses and I&#039;m so p&#039;d off we allowed this to happen. Will someone from the Republican Party please step up big? Gingrich 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post #26:</p>
<p>1. And Sadat was rewarded for his &#8220;victory&#8221; with asassination. The reason why Israel was in jeopardy of losing the war was because gov&#8217;t failed to heed Mossad intelligence reports which indicated war was at hand. The Egyptians got the jump on Israel. This should be lesson number one for politicians anti-CIA. Another reason for peace is Israel&#8217;s air superiority. They can strike virtually at will.<br />
2. That seems to be the problem with a lot of &#8220;peace&#8221; minded people. Peace must be a mutual agreement. One way peace is like a one way street with a dead end. I&#8217;d like to see peace marchers march up a dead end street and keep going. Not that I want war but marching for peace without a similar contingent in the opponents country is like marching up a dead end street.<br />
3. Yeah the Dems like catchy phrases. Keeps the voters in their pocket. Shakespeare wrote &#8220;A rose by any other name would smell as sweet&#8221;. War by any other name is still full of blood and death. So Obama will wage war but in a kinder more gentler fashion. Yikes, war is hell why keep trying to make it a picnic? When war becomes fought like war then peace will ensue quicker and more lasting. The gist of my correspondence with Mr. Ledeen hinges on the premise that war is hell. When Iran and others understand that they are suffering horrible losses they will change their minds. I&#8217;m not a man of war believe me I&#8217;d rather have a drink and listen to realxing music. Politicians do nothing but talk. They can&#8217;t run the corner grocery store but they tell all of us how to live. Now they are kicking out CEO&#8217;s and running America&#8217;s largest corporations. A recipe for failure couldn&#8217;t be better prepared. Everything is now politicized even the weather. A heat wave means global warming a blizzard also means global warming how I can&#8217;t figure but they will certainly have someone explain it to us. And the press if they like you will nod in agreement. The press adores our President. I&#8217;ll bet within a year the press will start dismantling the statue they created. Europe is full of idiots. Why we keep any soldiers on their elitist continent is a mystery. They are adults and should be able to defend themselves. So Obama needs more troops and is asking NATO for some help? Why not take all of the troops out of Germany and send some of them to Afghanistan. The rest can come home or be sent to the Mexican border. Sorry to be running on but we just elected a liberal President with an already liberal majority in both houses and I&#8217;m so p&#8217;d off we allowed this to happen. Will someone from the Republican Party please step up big? Gingrich 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: Lebanese In Diaspora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lebanese In Diaspora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 02:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Europe should affirm-By David Ignatius 03/04/09 Arabs’ summit of shame. Rached Fayed 02/04/09 Obama’s Blind Spot on Terror.By Michael Ledeen/Pyjama Media 02/04/09 Taliban Terrorist Targets Washington.By Annie [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Europe should affirm-By David Ignatius 03/04/09 Arabs’ summit of shame. Rached Fayed 02/04/09 Obama’s Blind Spot on Terror.By Michael Ledeen/Pyjama Media 02/04/09 Taliban Terrorist Targets Washington.By Annie [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lebanese In Diaspora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lebanese In Diaspora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Europe should affirm-By David Ignatius 03/04/09Arabs’ summit of shame. Rached Fayed 02/04/09Obama&#8217;s Blind Spot on Terror.By Michael Ledeen/Pyjama Media 02/04/09Taliban Terrorist Targets Washington.By Annie [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that Europe should affirm-By David Ignatius 03/04/09Arabs’ summit of shame. Rached Fayed 02/04/09Obama&#8217;s Blind Spot on Terror.By Michael Ledeen/Pyjama Media 02/04/09Taliban Terrorist Targets Washington.By Annie [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mohammed</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/03/31/afghanistan-and-beyond/#comment-7721</link>
		<dc:creator>mohammed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>america is poor, it cannot afford another war. israel or no israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>america is poor, it cannot afford another war. israel or no israel.</p>
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		<title>By: James Six</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/03/31/afghanistan-and-beyond/#comment-7714</link>
		<dc:creator>James Six</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 03:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, but just wanted to point out for my guys that were there that the Anbar Awakening wasn&#039;t just the marines, as badass as the devil dogs are, and us Army grunts were slogging the same streets of Ramadi as well.  Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, but just wanted to point out for my guys that were there that the Anbar Awakening wasn&#8217;t just the marines, as badass as the devil dogs are, and us Army grunts were slogging the same streets of Ramadi as well.  Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: The Irascible Chef &#187; What difference does it make what we call it?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Irascible Chef &#187; What difference does it make what we call it?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PajamaMedia: Afghanistan, and Beyond [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Historian</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Historian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NATIONAL SECURITY AN OBAMA WEAKNESS
Wimping out versus North Korea.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/04/wimping-out-vs-north-korea.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NATIONAL SECURITY AN OBAMA WEAKNESS<br />
Wimping out versus North Korea.</p>
<p><a href="http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/04/wimping-out-vs-north-korea.html" rel="nofollow">http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/04/wimping-out-vs-north-korea.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: DavidN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have several points to make.

1. The Yom Kippur War led to peace between Egypt and Israel not because Egypt was defeated by Israel: that had happened three times before. What caused the Egyptians to sign a peace treaty was that they lost the war, eventually, but they won early on, and Sadat was able to spin that domestically as a victory and a recoup of the honor of the nation. Most Westerners don&#039;t understand how humiliating Arab countries being defeated by little Israel is, and what a large role that plays in the decision-making process of those Arab countries.

2. Obama can talk all he wants, but as the Marine Corps&#039; unofficial handbook says, no matter how good your military planning is, the enemy also gets a vote. He can *say* he wants to talk with al Qaeda, the Taliban, the Iranians, whoever, but if all they want to do in return is attack us, he&#039;s going have to respond, or look a fool or worse.

3. All this attempting to repackage the war and reinvent the wheel as far as the military goes is going to erode morale, if he keeps it up. The Global War on Terror isn&#039;t exactly catchy, but at least it&#039;s descriptive: you know what you&#039;re fighting, and can at least guess why. Who wants to die while participating in the &quot;Overseas Contingency Operation&quot;? Further, terrorist attacks are now apparently going to be called man-made disasters, or some such idiocy. One of the worst things Harry Truman did during his presidency was insist on calling the Korean War a police action. While it might have scored him a few points at home, it was devastating to morale among the service members in Korea. Even better, the administration briefly toyed with trying to get private health insurance to cover the injuries of soldiers killed and wounded in combat. This of course would have led to higher insurance rates for those soldiers, and knowing our insurance industry, eventually a denial of coverage for someone. Point is, our soldiers are soon going to be serving *in spite* of the president, not with his help. He *should* be trying to avoid that, but doesn&#039;t appear concerned about it, really.

What I *hope* happens is that Obama comes out and tries all of this talk with the various goofballs who want to kill us, everyone says they only want to kill us, not talk, and he then announces that he gave them their chance, and that we&#039;ll have to fight them after all. I fear it won&#039;t go that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have several points to make.</p>
<p>1. The Yom Kippur War led to peace between Egypt and Israel not because Egypt was defeated by Israel: that had happened three times before. What caused the Egyptians to sign a peace treaty was that they lost the war, eventually, but they won early on, and Sadat was able to spin that domestically as a victory and a recoup of the honor of the nation. Most Westerners don&#8217;t understand how humiliating Arab countries being defeated by little Israel is, and what a large role that plays in the decision-making process of those Arab countries.</p>
<p>2. Obama can talk all he wants, but as the Marine Corps&#8217; unofficial handbook says, no matter how good your military planning is, the enemy also gets a vote. He can *say* he wants to talk with al Qaeda, the Taliban, the Iranians, whoever, but if all they want to do in return is attack us, he&#8217;s going have to respond, or look a fool or worse.</p>
<p>3. All this attempting to repackage the war and reinvent the wheel as far as the military goes is going to erode morale, if he keeps it up. The Global War on Terror isn&#8217;t exactly catchy, but at least it&#8217;s descriptive: you know what you&#8217;re fighting, and can at least guess why. Who wants to die while participating in the &#8220;Overseas Contingency Operation&#8221;? Further, terrorist attacks are now apparently going to be called man-made disasters, or some such idiocy. One of the worst things Harry Truman did during his presidency was insist on calling the Korean War a police action. While it might have scored him a few points at home, it was devastating to morale among the service members in Korea. Even better, the administration briefly toyed with trying to get private health insurance to cover the injuries of soldiers killed and wounded in combat. This of course would have led to higher insurance rates for those soldiers, and knowing our insurance industry, eventually a denial of coverage for someone. Point is, our soldiers are soon going to be serving *in spite* of the president, not with his help. He *should* be trying to avoid that, but doesn&#8217;t appear concerned about it, really.</p>
<p>What I *hope* happens is that Obama comes out and tries all of this talk with the various goofballs who want to kill us, everyone says they only want to kill us, not talk, and he then announces that he gave them their chance, and that we&#8217;ll have to fight them after all. I fear it won&#8217;t go that way.</p>
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