We Are All Cowards Now
Although this example seems to fit Holder’s complaint, in reality it proves the opposite. For the racism embodied in those institutions and those practices is indeed discussed, in fact it’s discussed much too much, to the benefit of the racists and the detriment of those who are mainly interested in character and accomplishment. On the other hand, in (at least some of) those institutions where race isn’t discussed at all, Dr. King’s dream has been abundantly fulfilled. But I don’t think General Holder knows as much about them as he should.
I suggest he take a day and go to a Marine base. Quantico’s just down the road. If he goes there, and talks to the Marines, he will find the most “diverse” group of men and women he could possibly imagine. And he will discover–you really can’t miss it–that they don’t talk about race at all. Ever. They talk about Marines, and what Marines have to do. They have to do it together, with total trust in each other, with total commitment to each other. They cannot possibly achieve that if race is a constant topic of conversation, because that conversation inevitably divides them. Marines don’t have time for that nonsense, because they have to defeat America’s enemies, people who are trying to kill us and destroy our country. And those people, by the way, talk a lot about race. They call our president a “house slave,” which I suppose takes them totally out of Holder’s category of “cowards who avoid talking about race.”
I don’t think Holder’s little spiel would find much favor in Quantico, and that’s a very good thing. What’s so disconcerting is that a man at the top of his profession, with a wife at the top of hers, in a country that has rewarded his accomplishments and whose people have made epic strides toward the creation of an equitable society, lectures us in a way that can only divide us.
But that’s the infernal paradox of multiculturalism. It preaches tolerance but practices divisiveness. It pretends to be even-handed but imposes severe restrictions on speech. It censors brilliant scholars and independent-minded students. And then the Attorney General criticizes those who don’t want to play that self-destructive game.
That’s what political correctness has done. Time to stop listening to this nonsense and fight our real enemies. Go to Quantico, Mr. Holder, and have a look at the best America now produces. Then learn from them. Silence is golden. Just do your job.
Remember the fuss over McCain’s economic advisor saying we were becoming a “nation of whiners” — and the righteous indignation from liberals who called the statement slanderous of all Americans? Relative silence from their quarters, tonight.
You mentioned the university. Affirmative-Action is the ultimate example of discrimination to prove one’s not racist. It’s not just scholarships, however, but all levels of the academia. Imagine an all-white fraternity, an all-white scholarship, an all-white university — let alone only-white?
What would happen if a group of students wanted to organize an on-campus program to honor the achievement of white males — in science, literature, politics, economics, etc. — and incorporate this into a “White Appreciate Week”? Could you imagine the reaction to that?
There are all sorts of societal double standards when it comes to race, none exemplified more than last year’s campaign. Had McCain went to an all-white, “white seperatist” church for 20 years where the pastor said “when white people kill other white people, they’re killing the wrong enemy” — and he was friends with this pastor — not only would McCain have lost the campaign, but he’d probably have dropped out of the race and resigned from the Senate. His career and legacy tarnished forever. And rightfully so.
The only cowards are the people who do not raise THESE inconsistencies and incompatibilities for fear of treading on someone’s inane politically correct racial sensitivities.
Team O seems a might preachy to me. In my less than humble opinion the politically correct are the cowards.
This episode made my angrier than anything that has been said in several years of American politics. I taught history and government for years in heavily black, hispanic, and American Indian high schools. Race was always a topic, and my best kids always handled it with grace and respect, despite the inflamatory rhetoric of the activists.
How can the Left preach racial seperatism on the one hand, and then complain that people don’t communicate? It is like someone in the midst of a nasty divorce, while complaining that “we don’t talk anymore”
Holder must be removed from Justice. It is not that department’s job to tell us who we should and shouldn’t associate with and it is chilling to have the chief law enforcement officer of the nation thinking that it is his place. This was not an off-the-cuff gaffe, but the careful work of a prepared speech by a moron who seems to have no concept of the United States and what this nation stands for.
He must be removed from office immediately. There are no excuses for this insanity. Period. Holder MUST GO NOW!
Apparently, because the white electorate did not vote for “The One” in the 94th percentile, we are cowards.
I rest my case.
Bravo! You took the words right out of my mouth, but said it much better.
Blacks do not want an honest discussion on race. Anything less than glowing that whites say about minorities immediately is labeled as racist! Blacks, Congress and pigeon-holed corporations have imposed the shackles of political correctness on us. This was discussed at Angry White Dude last night from the perspective of most white people:
http://angrywhitedude.com/?p=1139
The Obama administration is staring to take shape. Clearly it is taking a turn toward the left. Are Holders remarks justification for the uneven unfair solution to the mortgage crisis? Poor folks are victims of white racism. Justice must be served. You who pay your mortgages will now pay for your racist sins by paying for those who cannot pay their mortgage. Justice and equality in the year 2009. Two bad precedents are being set. One, we’re all racists. Two, the breeding of failure via gov’t bailout. Obama was elected on a Hope and Change platform to bring America closer together. This will divide America not bring it together.
Eric Holder is a racist.
Keep stirring that pot Mr. Holder until it reaches a full boil. He is a racist.
(1) We have had “affirmative action” now for about the time of a generation.
(2) If this has really not bridged the economic gap between black and white one might surmise that blacks truly are inferior to whites except–
(3) Black immigrants from outside the US tend to do just as well economically as the white folk.
Saying that we need to talk about “race” is merely indirection. What we need to talk about is cultures and sub-cultures, and yes, some are demonstrably INFERIOR to others. You can’t change your “race” or ethnicity, but you can change the patterns of behavior that your culture has imposed upon you. Hell, white males are supposed to do this upon demand and they are demonized when they don’t.
We don’t really need to talk about “race,” we need to talk about sub-cultures and dysfunctionality.
Can you point me to the Whites only Diner?
PLease! You cant say anything or wear anything the is not PC ( PC thatnks to the Libs ).
No Muslims allowed.
Cowards?
Let Freedom Ring!
A spade is a Spade!
Holder looks as though he is fit and able to do so. I recommend boot camp at Parris Island. If he is able to finish, he will no longer talk the nonsence he now gives forth.
Does this mean that it is now safe to point out that the most racist organization in the country is still the fully segregated, no whites allowed Congressional Black Caucus.
How about, will this be the first year where the final 16 teams in both the mens’ and womens’ NCAA basketball teams will finally be integrated with white athletes being allowed to play?
Well said (as usual), Dr. Ledeen.
It’s only a month into the Obama administration and look at the gaffes, mistakes and errors it has already made, both large and small. Granted, I’m not surprised to hear this crap coming from someone like Holder, but it nevertheless offends me.
And while something like this is of considerable importance, what will this administration do when the really serious challenges hit us? We’ve already seen one – the “stimulus” act, and it doesn’t inspire any confidence in this gang. I’m to the point where I wish they’d raise their level of performance to that of the Carter administration.
Sheesh!
Sirs,
Guess I’m one of those cowards Holder talks about.
After being raised that one should base one’s judgement of others upon his or her’s actions, regardless of race, religion, sex, or creed, I find that I am still the sexist, racist oppressor.
Since my youth, and now at the age of 54, I have heard morning, noon, and night, whether in print or radio, or Television, that I am the cause of every social problem the world has ever known.
Oppressing minorities, exploiting women, destroying the environment, how do I live with myself, and also find time to support my racist, sexist, environmentally destructive lifestyle, and still find time to have a job to support myself? I don’t know. Just lucky, I guess.
After the police stopped a man in Oklahoma to question him about his anti-Obama bumper sticker and delivered the Secret Service to his house to question him, I guess we should not be surprised.
It was in Oklahoma city. It was posted on Drudge, don’t know if it’s still there or not, but that WAS the sole reason for the stop, per the officer. Fortunately, the man was articulate, made a fool of the officer (politely) and is not in jail tonight. But he DID have the Secret Service at his house checking on him.
This is serious business, people, and these so-called “authorities” are fools. Unfortunately, they actually do hold some authority, for the moment. We had better make sure it’s short term.
I did send an e-mail to the public affairs office of the OKC police department…so maybe they’ll be following me now.
now that the black man is on top can we now bunch white and hispanic issues together? finally…i would like to say, that was total projection on Holders part. I love the way Black people include other minorities when they want to beat up on white people. it carries more weight socially, because if they only said it about themselves, then it would be just plain whining and trying to gain advantage. why did Hispanics vote for Obama? they thought Obama had their best interest in mind,useful idiots.
MLK was always in favor of affirmative action, other spoils for blacks, lax enforcement and low penalties for blacks on criminal violations.
I hope I’m not being Machiavellian, but Mr. Obama’s comments, history and behavior considered in to-to with that of members of his administration, and the contents of the ‘stimulus’ and $75-billion mortgage bills, suggest his administration intends to correct the wrongs of slavery. Or their just incompetent, small ‘c’ communists.
Just another bigmouth uppity freeman ambulance chasing lawyer with an agenda advertising for “Black History Month”. Question is…..are you proud to be American “NOW” like your boss’s Mrs? Comments on the level of pygmy snot and no taller. Now, how about that “Black History”? Is it as accurate as what they are teaching in the government schools regarding White History??? I wonder!
Mr. Holder’s comments are a major insult to most Americans. As soon as I heard about it, I knew with absolute certainty that all the research I had done to learn about Obama’s background and ideological template were correct. He and his coterie of bullies like Holder are going to do a lot of damage over the next four years.
I was not surprised that Holder would think these things, but it was shocking that he would publicly verbalize them. It’s very bold and gives us insight into the worldview of the people now in office and also of the kinds of people who voted for this kind of “change.”
Holder got his way. Everybody here is talking about race. Revealing a lot, too.
Personally, I think he has a point – there is no real conversation happening on the topic of race. The GOP seems to argue that racism is over, and affirmative action is somehow racist. The Democrats argue that racism is not over, and affirmative action levels the playing field.
Based on the demographic change predicted in our country, affirmative action will become a preference program for whites where they are a minority, short-circuiting the reverse-racism argument that the GOP relies on. Ultimately a conversation on these policies needs to happen at the national level so we can get past all the backbiting.
Peace.
DS
The last person I would want to sit down with would be eric holder. Frankly I would be afraid I might catch something.
The hollow men of the Obama administration, typified by Holder himself, derive a major portion of their sense of worth from their adhesion to ancient grievance. It doesn’t register with people like this that times have changed. If it did register it would shatter part of their personal religion, destroy a huge part of their cosmology of victimhood and deprive them of the pious righteousness which has animated them to their high positions.
Think of Michelle Obama, a $400,000 a year executive at a major hospital bitching about her student loans, the general meanness of America, and her lack of pride in same (until her slick husband fooled some of the people some of the time and got to be the Democratic nominee…) Anyway, this daughter of a solidly middle class black family in Chicago, and despite her admission to Princeton, or her meteoric career trajectory, she’s just as filled with rage and bitter victimhood today as she was when she wrote her thesis about the racism at Princeton. In it she expressed sympathy with her black colleagues whom she interviewed for the thesis that “blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor”.
As I have evolved away from a former life as a liberal, I have observed that grievance groups of any stripe must never see an end to the circumstances which initially animated them to action. Today women, gays, blacks, virtually any self-defined sub-group based on grievance, has it better now than they’ve ever had it — yet their rhetoric remains hyperbolic and histrionic to the point of self parody. And no matter how much blood, sweat, and tears this magnificent country suffers through to rectify old transgressions, these victim pimps continue to act as if nothing has ever happened. in fact, many of these (most often) leftist grievance groups now can be seen betraying this nation by concocting grievances where there are none. The Al Sharpton shakedown on the chimp cartoon is exemplary of this trait.
This vile lie by this execrable attorney general is a libel against a Great Nation, a nation which raised him and his hollow boss to the highest posts, where they spew slander, sling fear, and cast aspersions on The People. Disgusting.
He has to go.
This debate seems to be a waste of time, unless we assume that we are arguing about people from other planets. Otherwise, we are arguing ethnicity, which is silly indeed.
will some one please ring the bell, school is out..as surely as I am white and aged I am not cowardly . black is clearly not always beautiful, and I resent a couple of black public employees hiding behind a veil of lies and half truths, demeaning me and my family and my countrymen,..
posturing from their presumed “elevated perch”, playing the race card and closing the door to intelligent discourse..they seem small and needy and weak.
Since when do I care what the AG thinks?
I haven’t had any respect for that office since Janet Reno left.
This is so much fun.
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That was a nasty, snarky post, David S. You have the temerity to close that missive with “Peace”? Embedded in your response is a vicious stereotyping that bears no resemblance to reality.
Why do we need a “conversation about race?” Your only defense of that statement seems to be a straw man – a pathetic caricature that can only exist in your mind.
I’ve followed many of your responses across PJM, and I can tell you are a young person with only a thin veneer of understanding of history, economics, culture, government. What’s more, your insolence does not help your cause, as you turn off just about everyone here. If you were my son you would get my mind in full, but then again my teenage daughters are a world away from your manner of interacting with other people.
Want to know why we don’t talk about race? Because we don’t think it’s relevant to our daily lives. And don’t give me the crap that we’re all a bunch of closet racists! You know nothing about what many of us have gone through, especially veterans of the Army like myself who served with black Americans, living and working with them AS AMERICANS every day in the service. In fact, to fall back on qualifying words that create hyphenated Americans is unacceptable.
People like you and Holder are the real racists, because you make it an issue. Furthermore, it is not his job to engage in didacticism. His job is to uphold the law and enforce it. How can we respect a man when he behaves in this manner?
As for you, grow up young man. I’m sure Michael Ledeen would recommend that you sign up for the Marine Corps. They’d make a man out of you – or you would wash out completely.
Fred, I don’t think David S can compete with you for nasty, snarky posts.
Don’t believe you’re a closet racist? There is not a living soul in America, black or white, who isn’t one.
Well said, Fred! This kid needed to be taken down a couple of notches, but you gave him a thorough spanking. Think he’s learned from it? I doubt it, but one of these days he’ll grow up and reality will come as a total shock! Too bad, but some people just have to learn the hard way.
Here’s my dialogue:
Why is there an 80% chance of a full-on riot whenever a hard foul is committed in a basketball game between two majority-black teams? And why are most serial killers white dudes with bad facial hair? And why do Mexicans seem to put up drywall so much more efficiently than whites or blacks? And why is it that whenever I am in the public library on a Saturday its just Asians studying? And why is it that Muslims follow a prophet who was likely a child-raping syphilitic mad man? And why is it that David S. feels a “National conversation” needs to happen after the ultimate national conversation (the vote) took place last month that overwhelmingly put an African American in the White House? You may discuss…
4. Class Clown . . . That made you angrier than anything you;v heard in years? Really? i got a much better one for you . . . Dick Cheney when told by a reporter , “Mr. Vice President 70% of the American people said the Iraq War was a terrible mistake” to which he replied, “So?”
You don’t know when you’re actually being insulted.
18 Meryl . . . Sicing the CIA on someone for expressing an opinion? Remember the kid who walked by Dick Cheney while he was BS-ing reporters in Mississippi after Katrina. Kid walks by and says, “Go F yourself Mr. Cheney!” This, of course after the administration’s colossal indifference to the storm’s victims, and after Mr.Cheney’s said the exact same thing to Pat Leahy on the Senate floor. Great line by the kid, who was detained and questioned by the Secret Service.
The Attorney General was right. Just check the string here on the Chimp cartoon. You don’t have the guts to admit it’s racist. Cowards is right.
one of your own, you’re a lock n step with identity politics, dude. Hence, you haven’t the mental faculties to discount, discuss rationally what the empty suit Holder had commented.
Go back to your self induced coma, fella.
Before we start getting all offended over the “nation of cowards” remark, we should listen to Ta-Nehisi Coates, who wrote:
“(Y)ou could only be offended by that line if you think “the nation” only includes white people. For the record, given the behavior of a lot of “black leaders”–and black people–pre-Iowa, cowardly ain’t exactly wrong. Anyway, I really have no idea what Holder meant, beyond what he literally said. I found his speech unremarkable and vague. But I can only take that line as it was–a statement about the entire nation.
RE: Posts by #24″Morton Doodslag” and #23 & #25″Fred”:
Gentlemen, as a 62 year old, I shall hope to finally evolve to the level of your writings. So well reasoned and stated.
The racist “cowards” Holder referred to is a self-description and they exist throughout this new administation, and that of all Liberism for that matter.
Something else I observe, more and more: There just seems to be an “effeminate” strain in these people. Clearly, while most of us were outside as kids, playing “ball”, “cowboys and indians”, “cops n robbers”, “army”, riding bikes, hiking and exploring, these types were being used as “dress models” by their mommies-(think Barney Frank).
Can you envision a rancid, putrid, Liberal like a Schumer, Levin, Frank, Emamnnuel(sp) et al doing anything the least bit “all boy” as a kid, or “manly” as an adult?
Talk about your typical coward. They all are the type that would “tattle”, whine, lie, cheat and steal things out of your room if they came to your house. You know the type: we all used to beat them up, give them a “melvin” or a “super wedgie”, put them inside a locker, because they were such baby-punks. (Can you begin to imagine the type of women they marry, and the caliber of child they produce? Think a Clinton (Hillary or Bill), a Reid, a Pelosi, or a Michelle and Barack Obama. We continue to lower the bar in this country.)
So, they eventually they grow up and want to get even. The only way they can is to become a scumbag, coward, Liberal. They can’t defeat you one-on-one, so they hide behind the law and the fact that we honorable Americans observe same. And we pay our taxes. Something many of the “Messiah’s” followers seem to have great difficulty doing. Even Jesus admonished his followers to tithe and pay their taxes. Something this false “jesus” doesn’t endorse.
JN
Well, of all the people in my acquaintence, it’s the liberals who *are* the racists. They’re very sanctimonious about it too.
Next to the word, ignorance, in your trusty Webster’s should be a mug shot of Eric Holder.
To begin with, because he talks about the great American melting pot like it was some kind of insight into America.
It’s not.
For as far back as 1966, the leading socioligists and anthropologists debunked it as a myth. Today, in 2009, everything and everyone from the New York Times to the Washington intelligencia admit it never was a reality in America and anybody who believes it has their head up their lower region.
Italian immigrants created Italian neighborhoods. Jewish immigrants formed Jewish neighborhoods. And so on and so forth.
But Holder’s more than the poster boy for ignorance. He’s one of those creatures that plays the race card every chance he gets.
And does it in a hardcore, ignoramuses’ironic way.
Hello, this country just elected a black man. Its first.
I guess everybody who voted for Barack was a coward. Because Eric the ignoble says all white Americans are cowards.
What a delightful way for the first black U.S. attorney general to characterize the nation. Another Barackian uniter.
Even more incomprehensible, the President of the United States acts like a frightened little boy by not having the moral courage or common sense to criticize the wacked out Holder speech and racist comments.
Or maybe Barack’s too busy to correct a ghastly wrong headed statement because he’s so busy bankrupting the country by spending a cool trillion on his Dem pals pet projects, a wish list of expenditures people like hapless Harry and niggardly Nancy have heretofore only thought was possible in their dreams.
But I’m not through with Holder who’s also what I’d call a poster boy for corruption.
He did an end run on the FBI and persuaded Bill Clinton, the country’s first liar-under-oath President, to pardon savages who committed unpardonable sins. The Puerto Rican gang of cop killers. And, of course, Marc Rich, top ten on the FBI’s most wanted list; a liar, a cheat, a low-life criminal and a scoundral.
Does anybody have any idea the lengths Rich went to thank Eric for his help? Would five million dollars in a Kaymann Island off shore Swiss bank’s blind trust sound about right?
Let’s face it, Eric Holder shouldn’t be on a government soapbox spewing out his vile racist revolting comments. He shouldn’t be letting murderers, tax cheats and scoundrals get away scot free. Rather, he should have his mouth washed out with soap and banashed to the witless protection program to live out his pitiful life of moral turpitude and blind hate mongering.
One month into Barack’s administration, America is contronted with a laundry list of gross miscalculations or intentional misfeasances of biblical proportions. This administration is choke full of everything from limitless greed, to tax cheats to racist pigs. Barack, the media’s boy wonder, is proving himself to be totally incapable of holding any kind of moral authority. He’s a pipsqueak of a man who has no respect for the ideals that this country was founded upon.
If Barack has an ounce of decency and even the most miniscule sense of right and wrong, he should summarily fire Eric Holder. Then apologize for his horrifically first month in office.
In point of fact, Barack makes George Bush look like the most honest, brilliant President in history.
Obviously, 53% of voters elected a lemon. And that lemon has filled his administration with rotten tomatoes and dirt bags. A bloated government. An idiotic, mindless, disgracefully pork laden wastefulness package, a tax cheat as head of the IRS, homeland security turned into a terrorist toy store, the Monroe Doctrine being made a joke of by the Russians, the end of the missile defense system. All of this corrosive, collusive, destruction to the capitalistic fabric of America in just one month. With 47 more to look forward to.
If you voted for Barack, you must have a terminal case of buyer’s remorse. Or you’re trying to figure out some way to get a bank loan so you can pony up enough money to put a down payment on the Brooklyn Bridge.
All things considered, Barack Obama is not the one to lead this country out of this nightmare unless he shows the moral strength to issue an executive order that makes sense. That’s based on courage and conviction.
Eric Holder and the rest of this administration’s liars, tax cheats and corruptobats should forthwith be led out of the White House in handcuffs.
Chalk it up to a bad first month in office. Call it what you will. But let’s get this ship of state righted before the whole world realizes Barack Obama is in way over his head. And there’s no turning back.
@ 23 affirmative action will become a preference program for whites
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I admit, I’m still surprised by your naivete. by definition, caucasians CANNOT be discriminated against, therefore,they CANNOT benefit from affirmative action in anything. (Neither can Asians, or are you unaware that Stanfort put a LIMIT to how many Asians could be admitted? Seems too many had the grades and scores to be admitted on their own merit.)
@ 25 I’m sure Michael Ledeen would recommend that you sign up for the Marine Corps. They’d make a man out of you – or you would wash out completely.
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He’d wash out.
Class Clown:
With your intelligence and experience, I’d be comfortable if you were President.
You’re a brilliant, thoughtful man. You honor us with your presence. rachel
Thousands died in the civil war were cowards too according to Holder? What a dope! I think this whole new administration is just a big farce. Shame on these newbies.
Mr. Ledeen:
“And he will discover–you really can’t miss it–that they don’t talk about race at all. Ever. They talk about Marines, and what Marines have to do.”
We talked about race in my platoon, not AS a platoon, but as guys who lived with and knew each other.
Didn’t always agree, but we did exchange some valuable insights.
I don’t think the conversations would have been open to outsiders, though.
“Holder complains that, while the workplace is integrated, once people are left to their own devices, they tend to associate with “their own kind,” by which he means that whites congregate with whites, blacks with blacks, latinos with one another, and so forth.”
All that education, and the man thinks that you can push a rope?
It just doesn’t work. For all the effort expended in trying, it just loops over on itself and coils up into what is technically known as an “asshole”, (really), and you’ve made less progress by creating more resentment than if you’d just let the damned thing be.
“So the Attorney General thinks we’re cowards because we don’t talk about race as much as he would like. Apparently he wants us to talk about it a lot.”
Okay…then talk about race.
Here’s a site where they talk about race constantly:
http://www.nascar.com/
“Holder said the American workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives” – source of quote: AP article .
So when you hold your next weekend party in the privacy of your home, be sure to have a member of every race present and do not allow any conversation unless it is about race. Alternative: Sweep the room for hidden microphones and cameras….whoops….too late…that will be illegal too. So much for the privacy of the home. Holder will love the day that he can finally change the “old’ in his name to “itl”.
Allow me to be the skunk at the picnic, I don’t want to talk about race because that seems to be all I have heard about for two years. And being lectured to by BHO, his angry wife and by the AG, no thanks. Their monologues are not a discussion either.
Perhaps someone else may think a coward is someone who never stops talking and never seems to get to work. Holder, don’t you have something to do?
I’ll take the suggestion of a previous poster and go check out that nascar website now.
Thanks for the dissection. Holders oratory is typically a bit more constrained behind the lectern but always veers to the PC side of the point. His observations here carry the patina of truth and so, for many, are the truth themselves. I admit that, upon hearing his “shot heard round the world”, my first reaction was the discomfort he intended. As the speech progressed, however, I became bored. These were his views, informed by his experiences and filtered through his ideological framework. They did not connect enough to gain any mind share with me. I went in the other room and read a book, by myself, no people of any shade – coward that I am.
The talk about race that is wanted is going to be a justification and motivation for reparations. Just watch.
Always blame someone else when you have dark skeletons in your own closet.
I am so sorry we are all cowards.
I do fear Obama
34. chris in Toronto:
That’s what my crystal ball says too.
How about the New York Post? Are they cowards? With the intention of any wild animal being able to conjure up the “Stimulus Bill”, the only interpretation seen as possible, by the black racial panderers was an image of themselves. People can’t talk about anything of the color black any more without “them” thinking and saying they are being denigrated.
So, who’s the cowards?
You have to see this for what it is. With obama essentially saying that those who didn’t deserve home loans in the first place (given to them by dint of the shakedown and threats of boycots/racism charges against banks, by none other than ACORN), are now to be given affordable mortgages for those homes to be paid for by those who busted their asses their whole lives to start a business or study their way through medical school, this practice will now have a rationale. Holder is simply setting everyone one for integration of all neighborhoods, regardless of income. Welcome to the new America. Oh, and for all those well-to-do liberals that live in exclusive suburbs, now you can finally practice what you preach.
Holder? The guy who sent a SWAT team to seize 6 year old Elian Gonzalez and send him to Cuba? And he’s calling us cowards? That’s funny.
Holder is just another chip-on-his-shoulder myopic loser with fascist tendencies.
After his role in the Clinton pardons, is difficult to see how anyone can respect the man’s judgment on anything. He’s a disgrace.
Sigh – the one thing about the Big O being elected was a hope that perhaps the race hustlers could, for once, and all knock off flogging the dead horse of ‘Amerikkka is the most racist nation evah!’
What an idiot. The reason that Americans of pallor generally don’t want to talk about race in most of the officially sanctioned venues for talking about race is that… well, we’re really expected just to sit there and look vaguely guilty while everyone else talks about what awful things that white people have done. The chances are, nine out of ten, if we say anything else, than we get jumped all over, screamed at and called racists. Who needs that? Just for the record, I have had honest discussions about race – but only with those friends (and not necessarily all persons of pallor) whom I am fairly sure will not go unhinged and begin screaming, etc.
Bilgeman,
I think your comment about your discussions on race not being open to outsiders was revealing. When a person begins talking about something at a personal level, he wants to be sure that it remains a personal interaction. When he finds the courage to reveal himself, he wants that openess and sharing to be respected. An out and out argument can be better than pseudo-polite BS because at least the sparring partner respects you enough to argue–you are worth the effort.
But what happens if those honest discussions move both partners to a new place? If that becomes known on the outside, the PC police step in and start accusing them of being traitors to their tribe. No one is permitted to emerge from his victim or oppressor class as an individual. It happens not just with race: Sarah Palin’s decision to bear a child with Downs Syndrome was just as threatening to the PC police as Clarence Thomas or Condoleeza Rice or Bill Cosby. And their treatment did nothing to encourage others to risk scorn by humbly offering different personal experiences and coming to different conclusions. All of us, black, white, hispanic, male, female, gay or straight, suffer as a result.
These people need to be stopped. They are starting as many fires as they can. Holder and Obama are the racists!
Rev. Wright, Rev. Al, Eric Holder – peas in a pod.
Holder has to talk about the color of his skin; long ago he proved there is no content in his character.
I grew up a military brat. I had no idea what racism was until my father retired and we moved to the south where my parents were from. We had neighbors and friends from every background you could think of. Block parties were fun because of the large varieties of food. It was a great childhood but moving to the south changed things. And it’s not racism against blacks–it’s against whites. Either by the blacks or the wealthy liberal whites.
I’m a white female and within the first year of moving here I was assaulted (he grabbed me between the legs while I was at my locker) by a young black man at school. NOTHING was done by the school, I was told to avoid him.
The public housing is black-only. There is a private school in town that is black-only. A black church in town took the same name as one of the first established churches, which is a mixed race church and then they complain that the older church needs to change it’s name. I had never met so many rude people in my life. I’ve been here for 30 years (except for 3 years in Illinois) and it’s only getting worse. All neighborhoods in this town are mixed; black, white, hispanic–it’s a military town. I’ve had a black man pull a gun on me driving down the street because he was riding my bumper and I tapped my breaks. And do not go to Macon GA….the discrimination against whites in that town is horrid.
Maybe if everyone was required to speak english we can have better dialog. Common tongue and all that.
Ben Lurkin = Miss Cleo
Ben Lurkin = Asshat
OK – how about this for openness – the problems in our education system have very little to do with the buildings where classes are held. Rather, a lack of family support for the educational system – largely due to single parent families that lack an appropriate role model.
Now if a white man were to say that – he’d be a racist. When a black man (like Cosby) says it – he’s an uncle Tom. When will Obama say it? What will he be called?
Michael,
Thanks, well said.
The problem with our marxist friends and with Holder is the very concept of “race” “relations.” Race is an artificial – and poorly defined – differentiation. The whole point of conservative libertarianism is it’s reference to the individual, such as Dr. King’s judgment based on the content of character. As long as we first see people as part of some group, we will be stuck with marxist ideology to deal with the view. Hell, I can’t think of anyone who, in marxist terms, is not a member of some minority “group” and therefore a victim of the “dominant culture.”
I was taught to follow Dr. King’s viewpoint, that of seeing only the individual and character. We don’t need artificial constructs to divide us further. What I see in bigots such as David Duke is a “sensitivity” to “race”. “Race” matters to Duke. He uses it to divide us against ourselves. By contrast, Dr. King saw individual character – the ultimate distinction – as that which best unites us.
Examine the content of the character of those who whine about their victimhood, their group identity and the racism! the bigotry! they face every day … you will find a coward under the surface. “Race” is the artificial crutch they employ to prop-up their excuses for personal failure, and it is the weapon we hand them in their quest for power.
An accomplished man such as Holder should know this: When he buys the concept, he plays directly into the hands of America’s Dukes. That is why they cling desperately to the concepts of race and racism, their hyper-sensitivities, their “caring” for the “victims” … they always “care” for the “victims” while grabbing power.
It’s our fault if we hand it to them, if we remain the enablers of racism.
If Judge Holder wants a conversation on “race”, then I demand that he dismiss the artificial preconception and make the effort to look a little deeper.
Here’s my discussion on race (and I suspect a number of posters here would agree):
Cut us open and we all look the same inside. We are all stuck on this planet together, so we might as well try to get along. Statements like Holder has made only perpetuate the negative attitudes. Hell, it keeps Al Sharpton in business.
I have no idea why the Attorney General saw fit to raise this issue.
I well remember a long time ago I promoted a black man to an executive level job and he did an excellent job. Several years later someone said to me “but he is black!” “I said that is odd — I had not noticed.”
Now, this, it seems to me, is a much more mature and sophisticated view of how race relations should be viewed. It should not matter what race individuals belong to.
I think Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., would have applauded my attitude and condemned the Attorney General’s. Race should NOT be a subject of discussion — we are all humans and all born equal with the bond of humanity.
Discussing race is not useful. Holder is being himself a racist.
While I somewhat agree with Dr. Ledeen’s argument, I think when a man comes out and says it like this is good to have as defender-in-chief of helpless people in America. And not like that Gonzales that was willing to call water-boarding a form of water-massage therapy for body and soul.
I wish Dr. Ledeen had written something passionate as this article about Gonzales, when he was testifying and EVADING U.S. Senate to their questions about TORTURE!
The fact is that Mr. Holder’s comments caused Dr. Ledeen not to lose a second and come out and post his objection is indeed doing what is needed to be said. His comments did more and made Dr. Ledeen tell us how Marines handle this, which I didn’t know before. So Mr. Holder’s comments are doing what was intended to do—we all talk about race and things like that.
Maybe next time we should talk about why Jewish Chief of Staff of Obama has served in Israel military, which I do not feel comfortable with it, IF this is really true and not rumors of right-wing agents.
Or why companies and some cities in U.S. allow certain rooms to be provided to Muslims for pray. Although I’m Muslim myself, I don’t feel comfortable for companies and public properties to be used for such a thing. I find such action as nano-steps toward Iranian style society. So let’s talk about that. Dr. Ledeen, any suggestions regarding these issues? How is it handled with Marines?
What Holder means is that Whites are supposed to feel guilty and allow themselves to be berated by leftists.
Most good folks are too polite to bring up race in a country that is supposed to be colorblind.
Once again our enemies mistake our basic decency for cowardice.
The Jihadis think our decency is borne of weakness, and so does Holder.
Your stupid, lazy white grandkids are going to benefit greatly from affirmative action when they become the racial minority in this country. I can’t wait to laugh my butt off when preserving affirmative action becomes the top platform issue of the Republican Party.
It has always been my understanding that to shove race down people’s throats is racist.
Another racist pinhead cherishing his victimhood. And he will make us cowards pay!
Steve P, self loathing is a sad state to be in. One pf the symptoms of the aforementioned is sexual frustration. I’ll stop there, for you’ve got enough on your plate as it is..
‘My stupid lazy white grandkids, eh? I haven’t any children, but my nephews old enough to vote: 1 is putting himself through school while the other is at the Air Force Academy.
Steve P, I’d wager the majority of the people posting here, black, white, Asian, Muslim, etc., have motivated, successful offspring. There’s a lot of pride in the U.S. on their posts. It begins in the family and exudes outward. Shame on you for playing instigator, dude. You’re a sad sack…
@30. fred:
Hardly.
Because our nation needs to reconcile the divergent narratives of the left and right.
My “thin veneer” of understanding has more depth than most of the authors here. They routinely misrepresent history, or simply lie to make their point. And the die-hards lap it up.
Your self-righteous indignation doesn’t do much for your cause, either. If I were your son, you’d probably be better informed and more respectful of others. You are far more insolent than I, as you demonstrate your rude arrogance and lack of respect for me – without any compelling reason to do so. I have noticed that this is the standard procedure at PJM for folks who can’t muster an argument – personal attacks are so much easier to pen.
The part you fail to notice is that you are talking about race, but you are doing so in a one-sided manner, rather than having a conversation on the topic that could actually lead to progress.
That’s funny. I was suggesting that there is a substantial policy debate that has been shelved – and you think that is racist? What did I ever say or do that would lead you to such a wrong-headed conclusion?
There is nothing in his job descriptino precluding him from opening a dialogue on race in america. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s still a live issue in the USA. Why would you disrespect him for raising the question? Are you simply opposed to freedom of speech, or political debate?
The Marines don’t make men out of anyone. Just Marines. I have no desire to be cast in that mold. Your denial of the need for a conversation on race is belied by your own interest in the topic, despite your misunderstanding of the issue.
Peace.
DS
The embittered nihilist Left (through its collection of pathologies, ie multiculturalism, affirmative action, denigration of Western culture, campus speech codes, destruction of the family unit, up to an including including political correctness), has silenced the discussion of race for decades, only now to present manufactured outrage about the topic.
How like the godless ones, creating the “concerned civil libertarian” facade, without ever having to answer to the ghosts of socialism’s millions of victims.
Someone on the radio the other day gushed “Obama is a rock star”. I lurched in my seat as if smacked in the face. Then I thought, why yes, how true! These Holder comments stacked on top of the other shenanigans that the new admin are pulling made me think of a rock group title- “insane clown posse”. BHO and the ICP!
Re: JM #40.
………..ahhhhhhhhhh, what a relief to know someone else is making the same social observations as I. Furthermore, show a me a mean-faced angry unappealing person and I’ll show you a liberal 99% of the time.
Liberalism is a state of mind…it’s a lot of anger blended with the ole “I’m a victim” mentality…the world owes me…nothing’s fair, gimme, gimme. It’s so predictable.
From a purely partisan point of view, it is just wonderful to have the Obama administration overtly imitating Jimmy Carter less than a month into office. I did not expect them to say that the American people are just awful so early.
The Obama administration’s economic policies indicate this will be a one-term administration, so it is very helpful for its senior personnel to front-load their antagonism for ordinary Americans.
Plus it is delicious that they do not at all understand what they are doing to themselves.
Several of the posters here have agreed with Holder for all the wrong reasons. The great national debate on race is not entirely at an end, but in the words of that old cigarette commercial, “we’ve come a long way, baby. But the remaining issues such as affirmative action, crime, broken homes, fatherless children and a sizeable litany of others have simply been politicized to the point where I just won’t discuss them. Very little discussion, a lot of ad hominem attacks, nearly always concluding with the debate-ending words: You’re a racist.
e.g. Subject: Affirmative action. Debater 1: I oppose it because it’s demeaning and patronizing toward African-Americans. Debater 2: You’re a racist. Subject: Crime. Debater 1: I believe that the high crime rate in urban ghettoes is due not to race, but to fatherless families, welfare dependency and gang culture. Debater 2: You’re a racist. Etc., etc., ad nauseam.
Walking away from these “discussions” isn’t cowardice. It’s just common sense. Why waste everyone’s time and energy? Frankly, I’m just not interested in being called a coward by clowns who talk the talk but never walked the walk. In 1963 and 1964, I was in the South with thousands of other civil rights workers, black and white, putting my body on the line for equal rights. And I have the steel pin in my leg and the scars to prove it. I do oppose affirmative action for the reason stated above. And I will forthwith be called a racist by anyone I attempt to discuss the matter with, probably including some of the people posting after me. So, Mr. Holder, why should I bother?
In those rare moments when I actually allow myself to be trapped into a “discussion” on race, I always preface my remarks with “It’s a given that I’m a racist and a fascist, so do we have anything real to discuss?” Now, I guess I’ll have to add “coward.”
One final note: My lazy white grandkids are all white/Latino/Filipino mix. No African blood as far as we know, so they must be racists, too. And I hope that some day, they will object to Holder’s treatment of Elian Gonzales. I also hope they will be brave enough to risk being called racist for doing so.
David S, good job. You made Fred’s point far better than he did.
The “conversation about race” as a way to change perceptions has done much more damage than good in my opinion. Both groups tend to just talk past each other, and expressing views that are outside the PC acceptable range gets you demonized, labeled, and can even be ruinous.
The reason the left pushes this canard is because they feel they have a club with which they can beat their opponents with. They create strawman groups, push everyone who does not support left wing policies centered on race into that group, and then wait for anyone to their right to decent. If you are to their left, you can grovel and get a pass.
I personally refuse to play this game. I will treat people as individuals and I will not vote for and will actively work against the people that want to keep us divided. Eric Holder seems to be one of those people. It is a shame that the position where staying above the fray of race politics may be the most important is being held by someone who wears his race on his sleeve.
I don’t really care about what Mr. Holder thinks about race. Race baiting and hustling are old games in America. However, I do care that he has the Department of Justice at his disposal to add the necessary “weight” to his rhetoric. The official transcript of his address (“Remarks as Prepared for Delivery”) at the DOJ website does not contain what I consider the most troubling paragraph of his address as delivered:
“But we must do more, and we in this room bear a special responsibility. Through its work and through its example this Department of Justice, as long as I am here, must — and will — lead the nation to the “new birth of freedom” so long ago promised by our greatest president. This is our duty and our solemn obligation.”
Just what part in this “new birth of freedom” do you intend the DOJ to play, General Holder?
Oh, and if it’s a national conversation on race you want, Mr. Holder, Heather MacDonald has made a pretty good start over at “City Journal.” Why do you begin the discussion with her?
I do NOT agree with Mr. Holder that Americans are a coward nation. On the other hand you can find A LOT of American cowards in policy’s corridors, those who CANNOT FACE THE ENEMY. I think, in the United States they are “the Great Heroes of Gossip.”
Today the United States have NO time in such trivia issues. The same is true of Marines, they risking their life to promote the US Greatness.
The United States influence on the earth requires considerably will-power and coherence BETWEEN ALL AMERICANS “Republicans, Democrats, Independents, diplomats, academics, pundits, journalists and others.” The American interest MUST BE over all self-interests and NO compromise with American’s interest.
No self-interest over American interests, No partisan impulses over American interest and No partisan impulses over the United States security and Israel security and high-risk international issues. These silly problems in home will lessen respect for American political institutions. Above all, it will harm the American influence on the earth.
If some want to talks about racism, please remember the suffering of Jews. The Jews are the ONLY people on the earth have suffered considerably from racism, especially in Europe. Even they weren’t able to go out of the house.
The Jews are the victims of the unjust reality since Pharaoh Epoch, and since a rise of Islam, and then the European Crusades, and terrible European fascism holocaust, and today menace of Islamist fascists, and growing of the fascism European extreme parties. In Poland it was very terrible painful time and shocking agony period for Jews, when the West fascism tried to cleanse the earth from Jews.
Here in Poland, it is a place where more Jews killed than in any other country in the world. Approx over three million Jews were murder in all extermination camps in Poland by Nazis and their collaborators of Poles, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Croatia and others. Auschwitz was the most feared of all the death camps, approx 2 million Jews were killed there in ways that are not humane, such as shooting them, or gassing them in chambers, they brutally burned them, and even burned them ALIVE. Generally the victims of European fascism more than six millions Jews, about 90 percent of whom were Jews from almost every country in Europe. THEY WERE KILLED, BECAUSE ONLY THEY WERE A JEWS ALIVE “FOR NO REASON”!!!
From this ugly area where I live in, it was the site of the former Ghetto in Warsaw, WHERE JEWS RUTHLESSLY SUFFERED IN THIS AREA. The Jews in the Ghetto had been sent to all extermination camps in Poland; especially to Auschwitz. The Jews in the Ghetto knew that the daily trains to Treblinka “one of the horrible death camps” were not transporting the Jews to resettlement camps in the East, but were taking them to a death camp to be killed brutally in gas chambers. It was because the ghetto residents began refusing to get on the trains that the Nazis decided to liquidate the Ghetto.
And though, it is most outrageous and shameful, after passing more than 60 years after the inhuman immoral Holocaust. You can see presently, in European Parliament a group of politically active racists and anti-Semites has joined forces and qualified for funding within the European Parliament system, far right groups of European Parliament members who share avowedly racist and anti-Semitic views.
Here in Poland, the Polish church was the major force promoting hatred toward Jews and still at present, parts of Catholic Church still anti-Semitic in Poland. Is doesn’t surprise that most of Jews in Europe still concealing their Jewishness and pressuring on their children not to do something publicly Jewish. The United States is the ONLY country that defends Jews.
THEREFORE, MR. HOLDER, PLEASE DO NOT TALK AGAIN ABOUT RACISM IN THE US, THERE IS NO TERRIBLE RACISM AS HAPPENED WITH JEWS!!!
Jassem Othman, I have all the empathy and respect in the world for the Jewish people and their struggles, but screaming that Jews have some special status as the most oppressed group in the world will not help your cause, because it simply isn’t true.
Your stupid, lazy white grandkids are going to benefit greatly from affirmative action when they become the racial minority in this country. I can’t wait to laugh my butt off when preserving affirmative action becomes the top platform issue of the Republican Party.
There are rather large political jurisdictions where “minorities” are majorities. Are there “affirmative action” requirements there to make sure that they hire the requisite numbers of Caucasians?
No, there aren’t.
And anybody who thinks that once the whites become 49.9% of the population they will become the darling of affirmative action advocates is either being dishonest or has severe brain damage.
Near the end of his speech, Mr. Holder decries the sop of ‘Black History’ month & seems to wish that black history be incorporated into the larger mosaic of American history. If he truly wants to swim against the multiculturism stream, then by all means have at it. I’m sure that all the history departments will gladly comply and immediately do away with their multitudinous ethnic/minorities/gender studies.
Steve P! Why isn’t true?
I am not Jew, I am Syrian in Poland or rather I was Syrian. But the Jews suffering is considerably TOUCHING MY HEART, because I come from societies (Arabs, Muslims, and Poles), where Jews are MOST CURSED AND SCORNED.
Yes it was there some groups also was oppressed by Nazis, were also identified to be undesirable. Some of these included the mentally ill, homosexuals, gypsies, and Jehovah’s witnesses even the Germans themselves were the final major group persecuted by the Nazis. But by far, the Jews were the LARGEST SINGLE GROUP OF PEOPLE singled out for killing by the Nazis and their collaborators. Although the incredibly positive impact the Jews have had on the world, where the Jews have participated a very very very great contribution in the history of Western culture. The Jews Most considerably, they have contributed of values that are now linked with freedom and democracy “respect for life, justice, equality, peace, lore and sciences, education…etc”. And though and most sadly, today you can see Europe is very awash in anti-Semitic, approx. more than 75 % of Europeans ARE ANTI-SEMITIC.
As I said, the Jews was the most oppressed group in the world, they were victims of the unjust reality since Pharaohs Epoch, and since a rise of Islam, and then by European Crusades, and recently by the European fascism holocaust. So, Steve, please tell me, if you know about another holocaust on the earth!!!
I suggest, in order to truly come together as one people as Mr. Holder would like us to do, we dispense with ALL things related to public or national observance of race. For example, no Black History Month, no Black or Hispanic Congressional Congress, etc., etc. These observances only lend credence to the suggestion that whites, in particular, need to honor those not like them in return for years of neglect and ignorance. So, for the 48 years of my life, every February is dedicated to recognizing achievement, only it’s related to skin color. I am duly aware of the contributions made by African Americans. When does the need for this special observance end? Well, it doesn’t. Because according to African Americans, we (whites) will ALWAYS need to be reminded of their contributions, because we are inherently unable to accept that they have made innumerable contributions to this nation. This is, of course, false. But if Eric Holder truly wanted to be “brave”, he would eliminate all of these observances that lead to feelings of guilt, resentment, jelousy, and the inability to just accept all for their character, and not based on skin color. While we’re supposed to celebrate “diversity”, Mr. Holder insinuates that that cultural celebration is what causes us to “not spend weekends” with each other, or not go to church together. It seems to me he is not just interested in fair treatment and justice for all, regardless of race, but of social engineering for human existance that is truly unattainable.
More Christians have been killed for their faith than Jews, but that’s only because Christians are far more numerous than Jews.
#58 vb:
“I think your comment about your discussions on race not being open to outsiders was revealing.”
Just the foreseeable dynamics of any in-group.
See, and this buttresses your observation, if it’s Robert and Tyrone and Julio talking to each other AS Robert to Julio and Julio to Tyrone and Tyrone to Robert, that’s individuals interacting with other individuals.
When outsiders, who have really no identity with the in-group other than shared racial characteristics with a subset of the in-group, things can get a little more complicated.
And when two in-groups intersect…that complication rises exponentially.
I CAN say, though, that I was sometimes the only Caucasian not a police officer at some stone groove parties in Downey, (next to Comptonm for those of you unfamiliar with South central LA), and a good time was had by all…as long as you weren’t wearing a red handkerchief.
(Virulent anti-Redites, y’see).
Does this mean there the black caucus in congress will be eliminated? Is there a white caucus?
A lot of good comments about the “race” problems under the surface in our every day lives; But when are the reparations for the white man bringing the black man to the promise land going to start?
Jassem Othman, Steve P will not respond/ reply to your inquests. He’s been called out far too often and is only good for throwing out visceral and apathy.
And of course, emotional filled conjecture..
Life’s tough. Life’s tougher when you’re stupid.
Cybergeezer: The reparations for the white man bringing the black man to the promised land will start about the time I leave. Since my family wasn’t here when slaves were brought in (they arrived after the Civil War, and lived in Illinois) it only seems fair that I leave so I don’t have to pay for something neither I nor my ancestors had anything to do with. I’m already paying ridiculous taxes to pay for other people’s mistakes. I don’t need to add reparations to my tax burden. I don’t believe in collective guilt for the sins of people long dead, and I suspect you don’t really either.
# paul_unalaska!
Yes, you are entirely right. Or might he will respond that “The next Holocaust will be by Iran’s Mullahs”. God forbid!
He is like Ahmadinejad,Mr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, David Duke, George Galloway, and the rest of the anti-Semitic in the West in addition to their followers of scandals sellers’ i.e. “The lies and scandals writers”. They have been, only in order to misrepresents facts.
For a long time I living here in Poland, and I quite know about this issue. Therefore, I call all the anti-Semitic to visit the horrible death camps in Poland “Auschwitz and Treblinka.”
Most sadly, the innocent Jews were its fuel. Approx. 90 % of its fuel it was of European Jews!!!
The beauty of ignorance is that it does not discriminate, it does come in all colors.
Well said, Mr. Ledeen. As a white man married to a black woman, for 12 years now, I should say that my wife and I never discuss race. And we never have. To be honest, I think most people are just plain exhausted by it. I know I am.
Holder is right. White Americans and the MSM are too coweredly to talk about the black on black crime in inner cities that is turning neighborhoods into uncivilized jungles filled with violence and drugs; to talk about black youths avoiding school because it is not “cool” or “too whitey” and developing a large class of uneducated, unskilled, unemployable people whose only means of survival are crime and drugs; to talk about welfare rolls filling up with illegitimate children raised in fatherless homes; to talk about black politicians playing the race game to build up large voting blocks in black neighborhoods through bribery and fradulent voter registration; et cetera ad nauseum. Holder knows all about coweredly avoidance of race discussion, that’s how he got his job.
LawhawkSF 81, beautifully done.
A month in and I’m so tired of these motherf****rs, I could spit. Four years of this childish bullshit. Thanks, Obama voters, you f*****g idiots.
#76 DavidS:
“The Marines don’t make men out of anyone. Just Marines.”
You would know this from direct experience?
“I have no desire to be cast in that mold.”
A-ha! Finally something we can agree on.
I have no desire for you to be cast in that mold, either.
And we will BOTH get our wish…everybody goes home happy!
(Parris Island, the exceedingly hot and muggy summer of 1982.)
Kudos to the author.
The vast majority of Americans are just worn out from the constant blathering about race. We go about our lives and hardly give it a thought, until some moron pops up and claims some benign, trivial incident or misunderstanding is an act of racism. Then, here we go again. And again, and again.
So, we don’t need any more “national conversations” about race. We have had so many, and somehow only the enlightened left (which insists on putting everybody in a race category, i.e., African-American, Hispanic-American and other such idiocy)is allowed to lecture the rest of us. Just shut up.
Bit tough on poor Mr Holder.
Who cannot help it, poor fellow, that Pathological Projection Syndrome is practically every FasciSSocialist Psychosis sufferer’s defining symptom.
(I see you only through the distorting lens of my own ________________ (Normaphobia, Misandristism, Person-of-Color-ness etceteras — fill in the space) as representing my own self-loathing — and therefore you are whatever my self-loathing needs you to be)
Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles CalifANYTWOSOMENEWSOMocated 90028 and the far Abroad
It was all downhill once Americans started using phrases such as “African American” instead of Negro. No one calls me an “English American” (ancestors came here in 1600′s). The proper terms are Negro, Caucasian, American Indian (so that we know they are not from India), Oriental, and perhaps one or two distinctly different races. More than 70% of American Negroes who cannot pass have some Caucasian blood in them. Even among themselves, the very black skinned Negroes are often looked down upon by their lighter skinned citizens and called “Wannabes”.
Latinos and Hispanics can be mixed with Spanish, which are considered Caucasians, but also have Moors mixed in). The Moors are from North Africa.
Let’s face it – we are all OUT OF AFRICA. Through the National Geographic Genome Project, I traced my ancestors back to Africa and their migratory routes over centuries, up through Middle East, then west through Europe and finally into Britain, including a noble who came with William the Conqueror – who by the way was descended from Norsemen!
Everyone says Tiger Woods is Black – he is half Oriental! Is he a Black Eurasian as opposed to someone with one white parent and one oriental parent?
Far as I am concerned, I do NOT give a rat’s behind what the heck anyone is EXCEPT to use facial features, hair and skin color when POLICE ARE LOOKING FOR A SUSPECT IN A CRIME. My BEST friend is black, Irish, white (a plantation owner friend of George Washington who had slaves and fathered children by them), Cape Verde Islander, American Indian and Portugese. She has relatives that pass. She is a very striking looking tall lady who is a true mixture of all things fine in America. She does NOT discriminate and if she does not like someone – it is because they are a JERK! Not because of their color.
I am 66 and NEVER answer any question on a form as to what race I am. I once told a banker giving me a mortgage that he COULD FIGURE IT OUT. It is none of the Government’s business. They want to pigeonhole everyone so they can BETTER CONTROL US.
I am so suspicious of immature people trying to pick fights by calling others names.
Mr. Holder is passive aggressive which means he cannot fight out in the open but has to aggravate others into fighting.
Not many real men I know are cowards as is Mr. Subversive Holder.
I know men want to punch his lights out for saying that cowards bit ,but if you ignore him he will just go away and pout.
Remember Michael, multiculturalism is very different than multiethnicity.
Multiculturalism casts a blind eye towards this by Michael Coren:
So the proposed re-enactment of the Battle of the Plains of Abraham in Quebec has been scrapped.
Even though it would have been entirely accurate, if appallingly over-sensitive to the losers, it told a truth that was not pleasant to militant separatists. And nobody wants to in any way offend anybody in modern Canada.
Welcome to the wonderful world of historical revisionism.
In fact the victory of the British over the French 250 years ago was merely one battle in a massive imperial struggle between two European super powers.
And if the French-speaking forces had shown as much determination over the actual battle as they have over its replica, perhaps they would have had a better result. But just as at Agincourt, Waterloo and the rest, the French lost.
On a larger scale the French tend to lose to the Germans as well as the British. Which is why in 1870 their leaders fled to England and why in 1914 and then again in 1940 the British and their imperial cousins had to lend a helping hand.
Actually during the Second World War the Royal Navy was obliged to destroy the French fleet because most experts assumed it would be surrendered to the Nazis. A lovely maritime scene that could be re-enacted.
Or a re-enactment of the collaboration of Vichy France with the Germans, when French civil police handed over Jewish children to the occupiers who explained that they’d only asked for the adults at that stage.
Vichy, by the way, enjoyed strong support in Quebec — golly, this and Quebec’s attitude to fighting the Nazis could be yet another opportunity for a re-enactment.
There is a terribly politically incorrect joke about French roads being lined with trees so that Germans can march in the shade. This joke should never be re-enacted because it might cause offence to someone. Trees perhaps. Or roads. Or the shade. So what other historical truths must never be mentioned for fear of hurting feelings?
That Africans themselves often sold people to white slavers and that long after slavery was abolished by the British the slave trade continued, particularly under African and Arab leadership.
That white, Christian slaves were still being freed as late as the 19th century by European navies. Or that white men never purposely used infected blankets to kill natives or that cannibalism, widow murder, head-hunting, tribal genocide and forced female circumcision were all prevented by European empires in the Americas, Africa and Asia.
Or that the Ottoman Empire’s surveys revealed that very few people lived in the area later known as Palestine until the Jews began to return to it, and that it was not considered a nation state or a separate political entity.
Or that after Israel had conquered Gaza and the West Bank it offered them back to Egypt and Jordan and both refused.
Crusades
Or that the Crusades were not known as such until long after they had stopped and that they were merely a direct response to Islam’s invasion of the Christian heartlands of North Africa and the Levant.
Or that Galileo was a faithful Catholic whose patron was a cardinal and that Copernicus was a priest.
Or that Joseph Stalin killed more people than Hitler, that Che Guevara was a mass murderer and that historical truth may be jarring but it’s nevertheless truth.
Now go and re-enact that.
And multiculturalism casts a blind, or jaundiced eye towards this by Salim Mansur:
I will not rehearse here, since space forbids, the arguments on how ludicrous is the display of Gordon Brown’s Labour government in banning Geert Wilders from entering Britain.
What needs noting, however, is the irony that Brown, Wilders, the liberal elite in the West with their insistence on limiting free speech, and the Muslim thugs — from the potentates who rule in the Arab-Muslim world to those who riot in the streets — are all in agreement that Muslims generally are programmed by Islam and its sacred text, the Qur’an, to engage in violence.
The difference between Wilders and Muslim fanatics is in how they assess the rightness or wrongness of violence to be found in the Qur’an. Wilders sees the Qur’an as a Muslim version of Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf, and Muslim fanatics see the Qur’an as heavenly license to trample over those in disagreement with their views of the world.
But the Qur’an does not speak. The verses of the Qur’an — if we go by Muslim belief — were heavenly words spoken to Muhammad or impressed into his heart by the angel Gabriel.
It was Muhammad who spoke the heavenly words and acted upon them. After him there is silence, and the words of the Qur’an as we have them are scratches on parchments collected into a text by those who heard Muhammad utter them.
Pure or vile
After Muhammad it is the tongue of man, of Muslims, that speaks and gives meaning to the words originally addressed to him. The tongue of man can be straight or forked, pure or vile, and what such tongues utter reveal the state of men’s minds and hearts.
The wonderful poet-philosopher from the 13th century, Jalal ad-Din Rumi — many revere him as the greatest mystical poet of Islam — likened the Qur’an to the mysteriousness of women. His exact words cannot be quoted here due to the political correctness code of our time.
What Rumi alluded to was how a woman chose to disclose her mystery depended on the circumstances, with whom and under what condition she engaged with that person. Similarly, the Qur’an’s mystery remains locked or gets gradually unfolded in relation to the man, given his abilities, who engages with it.
Rumi cautioned Muslims rape is not love even though the motions might appear to be similar.
My mentor and friend the late Wilfred Cantwell Smith — he was perhaps Canada’s greatest scholar of Islam — would remind his audience the Qur’an is to Muslims what Jesus is to Christians. Hence, in terms of belief the Qur’an, not Muhammad, is divine to Muslims as is Jesus for Christians.
The Qur’an categorically instructs there is no compulsion in religion. Muslim thugs read the text even as the Qur’an’s instruction fails to register in their hearts and minds while its mysteriousness completely eludes them.
The Qur’an is violated by Muslim thugs. The result is to be found in the misery of the Arab-Muslim world as a broken civilization.
One of the profound mysteries surrounding the divine in its descent into our corrupt world is the response it generates, and the extent to which it is mutilated.
Jesus was crucified. The Qur’an is daily mutilated by Muslim fanatics, and they insist their reading of it is an act of devotion.
But multiethnicity pays close attention to both.
To Holder: I know you are but what am I?
Demand that Obama force Holder to resign
On Monday, I implore my fellow Americans to call the whitehouse, at 202-456-1414 to demand that Obama force Holder to resign. Obama stated that he represented all Americans, he’s already broken so many promises, will he break this one as well? Eric Holder helped force a pardon for Marc Rich, a man who violated federal law, selling to Iran, while there was a ban on sales to that country. The profits Iran gained, have in turn been used to help fund insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan that have killed American troops. Also, Holder fought for pardons for radical Puerto Rican murderers, who killed innocent Americans.
When questioned on those pardons by the congress, Holder acted like a coward, stammering and making excuses. Now he has the gall to accuse American citizens, the ones from the only country in the world that addressed racism, that have fought and died together, Americans, black and white died together in wars, and on 9/11, and united as citizens together in the aftermath. Americans, black and white are suffering from the economic crisis, that was brought about by Eric Holder and his former boss, Bill Clinton’s NAFTA and MFN status with China, and the outsourcing and displacement promoted by Obama, and the rest of the democratic majority in congress. The cowards are in the whitehouse, not the American citizenry.
Cowards call the truly brave cowards.
This is the black urban underlying, all pervasive sentiment.
He is stoking the Blacks so they don’t think he and Obama have forgotten.I hear Michelle’s prompting in the back. This is Hip-Hop and Rap, and Rev.Wright and the Black Liberationist churches that have preached hate in cities every Sunday that has ruined Detroit and makes
Chicago a boiling calderon, apparently.It reveals a real hostility towards White and all non-Blacks.
So, Mr. Holder, let’s be honest, this is a decades held tactic used for extortion, paying to play, and permission to call people racist.It is Jesse Jackson and Sharpton.
What really angers one, is it is invalid.Completely.So, like Obama, who is working to pit economic classes against one another, you are maintaining the victimhood
status, now unfounded and discrediting to you and your motives, by pitting Blacks against White and visa-versa.Are you sure you want to do this to your People? The majority of this country remains White, and frankly, we are fed up with being denigrated.
The Truth is Whites don’t think about it,
nor have they for a long time.Guilt? I never had guilt, but I and many members of my family
have illustrious records in regards to helping your people, before, during, and post the Civil Rights struggle.What you did was to turn around and stab us in the back.
The crime your culture transports from one neighborhood to another has cost us a great deal of money in multiple ways.The Black Community has devastated my childhood home and area.We cannot even go back to visit.
We are sick of the crime, the sabotage, and the open vicious hate.However, we can avoid it. The Haters must live with it.
Mr. Holder should really resign, because a heart so troubled is incapable of thinking.Holder said this as the US Attorney General.He has no business in our personal lives, nor sowing dissension among the peoples of this country.
There are a few more points, although most of the comments express accurate and good points, already.Those like Obama, Michelle, Holder, Khalidi, Ayres, Wright, Edward Said and the rest of Obama’s circle the press squelched
during the Election, have a base of Hate.Hate is a sickness.It is destructive, non-productive, and non-creative.I think, from now on every slight, anti-White, anti-Semitic
rhetoric and action should be contested as the Blacks and the Muslims do.It’s time, and I mean, nothing is to be left uncontested.
This is really simple. Phil Gramm calls us all whiners. Liberals get upset and say it’s terrible. Conservatives say it’s no big deal because he’s kind of right. Eric Holder calls us cowards about race. Conservatives get upset and say it’s terrible. Liberals say it’s no big deal because he’s kind of right.
Neither side ever looks back at it’s own response to these issues. They only look at what the other side did or said and say, “See? Hypocrites!”
It is more than obvious, it is the single largest source of our government’s ineptitude (and our media’s toxic effect on public discourse).
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And this is supposed to be the country’s top lawyer! Are there any grownups anywhere in this administration?
I think you have the society you deserve
I recommand you to look into your lawns, or, more precisely, bins, I can witness how many times I have been mistreated as a French on conservative, republican sites (don’t know for the others, I wasn’t interested). Many times we, as French were called the scum of the humanity, didn’t remark that the Jews, and or Blacks, Chineses… met these insults on american blogs, well I guess why, trial pursuits !!! (I won’t swear for ME and African blogs though), that says, no wonder your universities have mini communitarist bubbles, ; uh, can’t find any French here that is volontary for sharing such a bubble with me LMAO. melting pot ??? that was the dream long time ago, finito, you’ll get what you have seed, cuz you can’t only blame the other camp, you had your times too, so prepare for street fightings, and micro guerillas…
The message from Al-Qaeda’s leaders to the President of the Islamic United States of America. Indeed it’s a message to all cowards of humiliating defeat makers. Please open it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJunJ3MKdU eurl=http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/ayman-al-zawahiri-to-obama-the-house-slave/
The United States of America needs JUST WILL-POWER AND COHERENCE BETWEEN ALL AMERICANS. The American interest MUST BE over all self-interests and NO compromise with American’s interest, NO compromise over the United States security!!!
It was the message from Al-Qaeda’s leaders “Al-Zawahiri” to the President of the Islamic United States of America. It was a message to all those cowards of humiliating defeat makers.
Mr. Holder, the United States of America needs YOU Mr. Holder, and needs brave people such as Dr. Ledeen.
Mr. Holder, the United States of America needs JUST WILL-POWER AND COHERENCE BETWEEN ALL AMERICANS. The American interest MUST BE over all self-interests and NO compromise with American’s interest, NO compromise over the United States security!!!
Please open it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJunJ3MKdU eurl=http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/ayman-al-zawahiri-to-obama-the-house-slave/
The Toronto Sun column by Michael Coren quoted in an earlier post here by David W. Lincoln is at:
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/michael_coren/2009/02/21/8473041-sun.html
Yes, the haters who’d use multiculturalism to hang Westerners are packing the comments with shows of their outrage for having been exposed for the zero-worshippers they are.
Getting back to the heart of Mr. Ledeen’s post, anyone who voted for the BHO-job is more likely to be motivated by racism than those who chose to cast their vote for the more experienced candidate with the much longer record of commitment and service to America.
98. LawhawkSF:
Sorry; I didn’t explain myself well; I meant reparations for the white anglo saxons that were the countries first citizens. They brought in slaves to work here, and brought them to a better life than they would have had, had they not been imported from their native countries.
Even after slavery, Jamaicans, and others, would hop a freighter to come to America to work the sugar cane fields. They would put their faith into some one at the docks telling them that there was work for them in some far off land. They would work for a few months, then go back home. I’ve talked to Jamaicans that actually did this for years. They had to, otherwise there was no work.
Some people would call them immigrants, today. But they went back home.
I was trying to illustrate that many people, of many races, have attained what they have today because of the anglo saxon initiative and resourcefulness. Reparations for the anglo saxon; I would not qualify, since my parents were from Canada and Italy.
So, it was the “Anglo Saxon initiative” that made life better for everybody in this new world. That is simply a bunch of bull! If there was so much “Anglo Saxon initiative” flowing around, why did they need any help at all? Be they the folks that got here on the Mayflower or that founded Jamestown earlier or everybody that bought slaves, both in the north and the south. Much of the “initiative” you speak of came from the knowledge borrowed from red and black men and women. Without that knowledge white settlers could not have made it through a single winter. This country was built on the backs of unpaid labors. That was the Anglo Saxon initiative, steal as much as they could and kill anyone that got in their way.
As far as “They brought in slaves to work here, and brought them to a better life than they would have had, had they not been imported from their native countries.” How do you know how the African continent would have evolved had millions of their best and brightest not been kidnapped and taken away? This is a question that can never be answered, but I am quite sure that the lives they had taken away was better than death on a slave ship or a life of slavery if they survived.
America has lost it. All bets are off now, and no dream will materialized. Of course that was expected when manipulators won again. Domestically we are doomed, internationally we are entering another Clintonian (Appeasing) era which our goal in mainly to please European socialists and their circles, and ignore terrorists and Islamists. Of course most of media that jump on American for anything slightly non-socialists, don’t report the real stories here or outside. Domestically, they are telling people that congress is tryingb to put all of its socialist agenda in one shot and American must pay for it. Otherwise there 40M uninsured which means about 20M families and some singles, if $3000 per family is paid to them for the cost of an average Medical Insurance, the total would be $60B total. What is then $800B. Internationally media doesn’t report the truth either. Just in the past few days it has been many very serious students protests in Iran, no American media not even Fox report on them. They were not even allowed to report the first group of people burning pictures of Obama were IRI Khomeinists. Now we hear, Obama is going to invite Khomeinists to G20 as a way of awarding all the Islamists activities in the past 30 years. No wonder Khomeinists claim they are a superpower. May be they are. Mo-Stra (Former FM of UK) also apologized to IRI today.
White is not an ethnicity, black is. You can’t wear a shirt that says “Whites rule” or celebrate White Appreciation Week because white is an identity of power that is used to perpetuate a history of dominance and suppression, not something to be proud of. You can wear a shirt that says, Italians rule, or Germans rule, etc. “White” is not the same as black, “white” is a tool that is used to separate people from “lesser” ethnicities.
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