Going to Court in the Allen West Contest
February 4th, 2013 - 8:01 am
Ironically, the robust public inspection rights citizen groups enjoy under federal law were opposed by the Virginia attorney general in a lawsuit brought by Project Vote. Virginia lost that case in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, and now conservative groups will start using the law to ensure our elections are run the way they are supposed to be, and that only eligible voters are voting.
Make no mistake, the Soros-fueled groups on the left will continue to outgun those fighting for election integrity. But after two decades of one side dropping the ball and quitting the game, it’s time folks who care about honest elections pick it up and run.
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My late Mother said that Motor Voter was the end of the Republic, as it opened the floodgates to fraud. Her father had been an Irish New York City cop around the turn of the last century, and she had grow up hearing about missing ballot boxes and such.
Smart lady, my Mom. I miss her.
I think I’m gonna miss America, too.
I don’t quite understand your Mother’s point. You need identification to get a drivers lic. as well as to register to vote. I had to renew my lic. just before the election and I was proud to show my valid voter ID card when asked if I wanted to register. I really can’t understand how it is racist and a hardship to require voters to show identification before they can vote. ID is required for so many things nowadays that there is really no excuse for not having one. Since motor/voter laws make it so easy to register when you get a new drivers lic. or state ID, I see no reason not to do so.
One scary aspect is that, at least in the 1990s, it was easy to get both an ID card AND a drivers license for the same personage. This was mainly done by older teenagers to get an “over 21″ license using someone else’s persona, oftentimes a relative. So all you may need is a stooge, story, and (utility) stub on Election Day.
In the near term, I think national Motor Voter was a good thing and may have in fact facilitated the Contract with America sweep in 1994. Since then it has probably been a entre to highly organized voter fraud.
I think you may be misunderstanding his mother’s point. The point is that it’s not just at the ID-issuing places where registration was pushed (which are not exempt from fraud), but also places already renowned for fraudulent use of fake IDs and stolen/bought SS numbers. The implication is also that proper checks will not be made at those places (welfare offices and drug treatment facilities) because the public sector union employees will slide them through the process like the Democrat Party shills most of them are. All such fraud would exclusively be to the aid of one major party…the one that walks hand in hand with their unions.
Whether you need ID to register to vote depends on the state and the integrity of the person doing the registration. It has been graphically demonstrated that many of the leftist groups have zero integrity. The gold standard for voter fraud is a registered voter that doesn’t exist in a state that doesn’t require ID. You just saddle up the van and have your voter crew go vote for all the names of people who don’t exist. The next best is the registered voter who doesn’t live in the precinct. Motor voter has produced lots and lots of these by registering transients and college students. Many students are registered both at their parents address and school and can and do vote in both places, in person at school and by absentee at home. There is little likelihood of fraud being detected if the voting crew votes in the names of people who don’t live in the precinct. Absentee ballots can also be cast in the names of people who don’t exist or who don’t live in the precinct, but absentees are subject to more scrutiny and there is somewhat more risk of fraud being detected. The old union and interest group method still works, works even better today with instant, portable communication, where poll watchers check off all the voters as they come in to vote then as the day wears on they first contact their known voters to make sure that they vote and then those they can’t contact they have to get the voting crew to vote for, though this runs the risk of the real voter showing up late in the day and discovering that s/he’s already voted.
The key to voter fraud is that almost all of it occurs in heavily Democrat areas and nobody even looks for voter fraud; that’s why the lefties can and do always brag about how little fraud has ever been detected. It isn’t detected because nobody looks for it! Heavy fraudulent voting in the Blue urban areas and college towns can be used to overwhelm the Republican votes in the suburban and rural areas of the states. This is how the Democrats made sure they carried some of the vital swing states in the last election. Republican governors of states with Blue cities should make some voters and election officials into poster children for voter fraud and put them in jail for a long time. We also need to revisit some of the groovy election laws that got put in place in the ’60s and ’70s. While the USSC has said that residency of more than 30 days can’t be required in federal elections, we should explore longer residency for state and local elections. Residency for state purposes should be defined to include maintaining a domicile and evidencing an intent to remain at the place where registering. This would preclude college students registering in the college town and force them to vote only once; by absentee or in person at their parents’ domicile. I’d also like to see that “intent to remain” piece applied to federal employees, including the military. Federal civilian employees are like an occupying army in many western states and if they are transferred in by the US, they should remain registered to vote at the point of hire. Likewise, military should remain registered at the point of enlistment. Same day registration should be eliminated in Republican controlled states. Early voting should be eliminated because it just makes the kinds of fraud described above easier. Absentee voting should require an in-person request with state issued ID except for active military the inperson request can be waived.
Controlling fraud won’t make the Blue places any less blue, but it will help prevent the Blue places from using fraudulently cast votes to overwhelm the Red places.
Many 5th, 6th, 7th generation US citizens do not have birth certificates. Some states will issue a substitute, but you have to jump through a few hoops, hoops which would not exclude illegal aliens.
OTOH, driver licenses were originally merely tax receipts, revenue enhancement. You paid an annual tax and they gave you a receipt with your name on it. They didn’t become a government thug mandate in most places until the 1930s, when corrupt power-mad judges suddenly started declaring an activity — driving — which had been an inherent aspect of liberty for over a century in the USA, and for thousands of years before that, to suddenly be a “privilege” (meanwhile socialist illfare hand-outs for illegal aliens are now declared to be “rights”, not privileges).
The pharoahs had restricted who could drive chariots — the war-wagons of their time — and the actual European robber barons collected tolls just because they could, but other than that, driving was considered an inherent liberty. The power-mad set are having their ways… for a while.
So, I went to renew my intra-USA travel permit a few years back, and they wouldn’t accept the birth certificates (yes, that’s an “s”, plural) that had been fine for getting a Q clearance to help design and manufacture parts for nuclear weapons systems. No, I had to have the same people who had generated, stamped and sealed those to print out another with a bar-code… and make another $25 extortion payment before the state Department of Motorist extortion and privacy Violation bureaubums were happy.
You had a prescient Mom John. Yes, she was smart. God Bless her.
Sen. Rand Paul Objects To Indefinite Detention Language In NDAA – 12/21/12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvuhVu0z9p4
Thank you, Mr. Adams.
Indeed. Thank you, and applause!
PLEASE keep up the good work!
Allen West And NDAA: Failing Liberty 101
http://florida.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/01/allen-west-the-war-idol-who-failed-liberty-101/
Save your money PJ!
Try to stay at least tangentially related to the topic.
In point of fact, it was tangentially related, Slim Pecksniff.
Er, Seth.
With that particular poster, relevance to the conversation is of small importance, if any.
He just pops in to push his agenda, and once in a long while he’ll actually engage the conversation.
Is 1984 Now?
George Orwell’s dystopian novel continues to come true in too many ways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALN7LTeLxtI
Yes, soon we’ll all have to carry Soviet-style internal passports if the vote-suppressers have their way.
“Today, True the Vote used a physical public inspection requirement under Section 8 to demand access to voter and election records from the close contest in the 18th Congressional District.”
Herein lays the notion of integrity. This is not fun, there is no immediate benefit yielded, but long term thinking supplies the reason for the effort/reward ratio. This fight, and it is an endless one, is what needs to take place in order to move our nation from those who put short term self-interest against our long term self-interest as a nation.
Thank you.
It is always in the direct interest of charlatans and scoundrels to rig the system in their favor. They stand to gain advantage over the rest of us and they can afford to expend significant resources in that effort. To clean it up requires the personal sacrifice –money, or maybe time and notoriety – from the public spirited with little in the way of personal gain in prospect. That is why the roaches are always in the cupboard and the light can never be turned off.
I too can’t see why getting some ID is such a burden. I don’t even like making it all that easy- it’s a right, but also a privilege to be able to vote. If you’re too lazy to vote you’re probably too lazy to know the issues and the candidate’s stances on them.
That said Allen West lost the election and any respect I had for him when he declared that he thought there were 79 to 82 Communists in the House. One doesn’t know wether to laugh or cry?
With me, it was his siding with Trayvon and his voting for Pigford.
Yes, that was bad. He’s had a reputation for telling the truth no matter the consequences, and to put that number so low was certainly timid of him.
Exactly.
There are at least that many who actually know that they’re communists; there are many, many more who are simply useful idiots.
There isnt a dimes worth of difference between a Social Democrat and a Communist. They both agree on the ends.
E.V.
The ends are not the same. Not even close. It is ahistorical and ignorant to pretend there is no resultant difference between a socialist and a communist.
I have no prooof, but I would wager that if you asked every Democratic legislator in Congress “Do you admire the principles laid out in the writings of Karl Marx?” at least 90 of them would proudly and openly answer “Yes, I do”.
You cannot deny the history of support for communism among politicians who have been staunch union supporters all their born days. Col. West was once again simply telling the truth, IMHO.
The problem being that Karl Marx, and his socialism, and whatever support some Democrats have for it (and I am sure there is some), are not communism.
And that’s why Col. West was so wrong. Members of the Progressive Caucus will tell you what ideas they have are socialist in nature.
That doesn’t make them communists. When you look at, for example, much of Europe, these are socialist democracies. They aren’t communist one-party systems.
It’s a very real difference. Perhaps Col. West misspoke.
But these European socialist Democracies have communist parties or parties with communist wings. And in the US, the communist section of the political spectrum is found in the Democrat party.
West didn´t say America is communist, he said the Democrat party has a communist wing. That is not hard to believe.
There are almost 80 Democrats in the “progressive caucus” and none of them would ever acknowledge a natural limit on government power, lift a finger in defense of free markets or say a word against the power of government to regulate. They can literally not get enough power. They certainly seem comfortable in sharing a platform with the likes of Barbara Lee.
I´m aware of the textbook definitions of socialist, social democratic and communist. Yawn. It is often a distinction without a difference.
As long as for them, history marches on in only one direction – towards an ever expanding state – what to call them is merely a semantic extercise. Different rhetoric, same ends.
The key question is: where do you see the limits for government expansion? How much is enough? Without subscribing to a limiting principle (the US constitution is all about limits) you are doing a communist´s job. I am not aware that the Democrat party sees any limits today.
If there is any difference it is in degree only. The bottom line for both is control of how other people live their lives. To me, one is just as dispicable as the other.
He’s already conceded the election, so “getting in” is not his goal. Cleaning up the corrupt election process IS his goal, and a noble one at that. Far too many previous attempts have been tossed aside like yesterday’s cold ommelette. WHEN will the law of the land, “one man, one vote”, become the reality? Precincts in Ohio and Pennsylvania had actual ballots cast numbering 140% of the number of registered voters in the precinct. there is only ONE WAY this could happen.. massive fraud. Many of those same precincts reported a hundred percent of the votes for Obama, Zero for anyone else…. statistically this is impoasible, practically, even more so. Holder’s Department of “just us” is a despicable front for perpetrating fraud uppn WE THE PEOPLE.
Greetings:
Your mention of felons voting brought to mind a TV news report I saw back during the run-up to last year’s Presidential election. The report featured a Negro reverend who was leading a campaign to restore the voting rights of convicted felons. He, himself, had been convicted of a felony, served his time, found his God, and been released from prison. Now, he wanted to have his voting rights fully restored.
The new reverend had, in fact, been convicted of murder. I convicted the news reporter of journalistic malpractice in not noticing or remarking on the fact that the reverend had permanently cancelled the voting rights of his victim.
Depending upon the location, the victim has probably had a 100% voting record every since their death
Please clarify something. As I understand, Allen West has conceded the race. Does this lawsuit reopen the question of who won, or is it merely to force clean up of the voter rolls?
This video has that answer and more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Kjhn_3duE&feature=player_embedded
Rove Declares War on Tea Party
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/03/Rove-declares-war-Tea-Party
Thank the Lord for Christian Adams and True the Vote! And may God bless Col. Allen West!
JCA, My wife and I are having a firsthand experience with TTV here in Colorado as we speak and I could suggest some improvements that will improve your results. Email if you like. regards, Scott
I’ve been wondering – why not go to something like Kickstarter and build up a $50,000 reward for information leading to the first conviction for voter fraud in questionable districts (Philly, Chicago). Voter fraud often takes more than one person, and there will inevitably be fallings out, or hard personal financial circumstances, in which one person decides that they’ll take the money over ideology. And even thought the reward wouldn’t apply in every case, it may create a situation in which multiple cases are working at the same time. Ultimately, this could create enough of a deterrent effect while other efforts such as the one described above help further clean up the system. Divide and conquer.
Like numerous other agencies (law-enforcement & intelligence), I recommend using the “Palantir” (name comes from Lord of the Rings) suite of database software tools to link various databases together to find the dead who voted (voter rolls + social security death index), the non-citizens who voted (voter rolls + eVerify + jury duty declines due to non-citizenship), the winter-bird/snow-bird voters (voter rolls in multiple states + drivers licenses in multiple states + credit card transactions).
Palantir makes a sweet software package that is extremely useful to find stuff out from databases you would never think of bouncing against each other.
Obviously some gum-shoe detective work is required after Palantir generates the hits but it will be far more compelling to graphically show how voting rights are being violated
Is “Art Chance” in response to #1, above, the “Art Chance” who used to post all those fascinating civil service war stories at RedState?
That would be me until I got tired of Erickson and his puppy Leon’s idiocy.
Yep, until I’d finally had enough of Erickson and his puppy Leon’s idiocy.
Re: “The key to voter fraud is that almost all of it occurs in heavily Democrat areas and nobody even looks for voter fraud; that’s why the lefties can and do always brag about how little fraud has ever been detected. It isn’t detected because nobody looks for it! Heavy fraudulent voting in the Blue urban areas and college towns can be used to overwhelm the Republican votes in the suburban and rural areas of the states.” Art, your points are well-taken, but there’s more yet… did you know that the Democratic Nat’l Committee and Republican Nat’l Committee went to court in the early 1980s over alleged abuses by the RNC in minority districts, and that the DNC won a consent decree barring the RNC from investing voter fraud in any minority-populated district? That verdict, decided in 1982, is still in effect. The judge in question who handed down the decree, a leftist Democrat, comes out of retirement periodically to recertify the decree. Essentially, the GOP has been barred from protesting voter fraud – and cowards that the GOP establishment are, they have gone along with this onconstitutional ruling all these years.
It is great that someone is fighting for Allen West – but the real prize, Obama’s stolen election, isn’t being contested at all – by the GOP or anyone else, for that matter.
Re: “That said Allen West lost the election and any respect I had for him when he declared that he thought there were 79 to 82 Communists in the House. One doesn’t know wether to laugh or cry?” Tory, West was speaking the truth, even if some people weren’t prepared for it. The truth of his assertion can be easily proven. During the 1963 session of Congress, the forty five goals of the CPUSA (Communist Party-USA) were read into the Congressional Record. If you examine those goals and compare them to the current DNC platform, you will note a considerable degree of overlap. What’s more, many of the goals of the CPUSA have already been achieved as of 2013. One may disagree over whether the people who support this agenda are to be called socialists, social democrats, Marxists, or communists – but the reality is, a rose by any other name is still a rose – and a communist by any other name is still a communist.
No one may not just call social democrats, socialists and communists the same thing-they are not. Social Democrats seek to build a more egalitarian society through state intervention and taxation within a basic capitalistic system (private ownership); socialists say it’s fine to own some private things and even some small businesses, but all large companies (means of production) must be owned and operated by the state; communists do not believe in individuals owning anything except perhaps their clothes.
While a case can be made that the progressive caucus have strong tendencies toward being social democrats, no one in the house, with the exception of Bernie Sanders (VT), has ever run on or said anything about the government owning all large businesses or people not being able to have any private property. It’s called Political Science and it’s when Republicans say crazy things that any intelligent person knows to be false they get that “whacko” label, and it is up to all of those who want a strong Republican Party to jump on these things and call them what they are- stupid!
Women’s reproductive systems do not shut down during rape, and there is not a Political Science department that would agree with what Allen West said, they’d be laughing too hard at such nonsense.
“there is not a Political Science department that would agree with what Allen West said, they’d be laughing too hard at such nonsense.”
Somehow that fails to convince when one considers that the Humanities at most colleges are thoroughly dominated by communists and have been for a very long time.
I studied political science for 4 years at Georgetown University communists as Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Ray Kline and Zbigniew Brzezinski. I also took a full semester course about the history and workings of Socialism taught by Lev Dobrianski- go ahead and google him. Reagan loved him and cited his work often- then he put him on his council of economic advisors and finally in 1982 gave him the cushiest job in the world with it’s own mansion and private beach- Ambassador to the Bahamas. They would all be pissed that so many Americans are ignorant of what they all considered a very important subject.
Your resume’ is admirable and your ego substantial but your critical thinking skills leave a lot to be desired.
I know who they are, you arrogant ass. I also know they aren’t the norm for college “professors.” They didn’t teach you to write very well, did they?
I don’t care what they name themselves, but look at what they advocate and attempt to accomplish. The early Progressive movement was honest enough to acknowledge their agenda was prohibited by the Constitution and openly agitated against its restraints. Whether they be Social Progressives, Fascists, Socialists or full blown Communists matters not. They are all incompatible with the Constitution’s enumerated and limited powers and cannot honestly fulfill their oath of office.
Let me provide some perspective from the liberal side.
So what if there was voter fraud. The Republicans suppress the vote. They don’t allow 365 day, 24/7 access to the polls. People have to get to the polls on their own and often vote with an empty stomach. The ballots often have big words on them like “election” and “candidate”. This is difficult for allot of people who vote for Democrats. Republicans should allow a dumb down version of the ballot that just states, “stuff” and “no stuff”. In places which are heavily Democrat, the poll workers are often incompetent and illiterate causing long lines which take hours to get through. How can anyone stand by and deny these people their right to vote? Because these people are inconvenienced, we have a right to commit all the fraud we want. You should be grateful there isn’t more of it.
So true it makes me want to cry.
I have come to the point I don’t care whose feelings I hurt. Voting is a privilege, and it should take some effort on the voter’s part. The only absentee ballots allowed should be active military. The whiners should get off their dead ass, get registered, take the time and trouble to go the polls on election day, or shut the hell up.
I would be in favor of declaring the first Tuesday in November a federal holiday, just to delegitimize all the bullcrap excuses.
Voting is a privilege, and it should take some effort on the voter’s part.
This just isn’t true. Voting is not something you are allowed to do if you kiss the ring of the right paper-pusher.
Be careful what you wish for. When voting is a privilege, it’s Eric Holder who decides if you get to exercise that privilege.
The last time I voted in California, 2000, there was one day to vote, “election day.” Registered voters received a pamphlet which allowed requesting an absentee ballot. In 1996 and 2000 I chose the absentee ballot to make sure I didn’t miss voting on election day. How the 2012 early voting procedure came about sounds pretty suspicious to me. I would rather use the absentee ballot; if precincts employed honest election workers, and there were proper validation procedures in effect to check for only one vote per person, I see no reason for not using 100% absentee balloting nationwide. With the reports coming from Ohio and elsewhere of 100% of votes being for Obama are true, I have no more faith in electronic voting – in precincts or via the internet.
The lines where I had to vote, in Florida, was about 3,000 people deep when I showed up to vote at 9AM. The queue was 6-people deep wide, and stretched about a city block long. I voted at just after 4:15PM.
A lot of people left before voting. I had to forgo a day’s wages and a reprimand for missing work (I work overnight, I had come off from the night shift and went directly to vote, I was supposed to be back at work at 4PM). I don’t really think that’s acceptable.
It can be fixed, and it’s not rocket science. California has it down. Lots of small polling places. Very short wait times. Quick results.
I have no doubt there was massive voter fraud everywhere in November.
I have no doubt there was massive voter fraud throughout the country in 2012.
But Allen west didn’t lose because of voter fraud. Allen West lost because the skunks that make up the “mainstream” Republican party re-districted him right out of office. If you want to blame someone for West’s defeat, lay the blame squarely at the feet of Jeb Bush and Karl Rove. What was done to West is proof positive that the war Rove and his RINOs have declared on conservatives is already in full swing.
Exactly right. The Establishment GOP, as represented by the Bush clan and Karl Rove, wanted Col. West gone as much as, or even more than did the Democrats.
Massachusetts has some fairly effective vote checking mechanisms. These checks are designed to keeps Democrats from stealing elections from other Democrats. It would be smart for people concerned about voting integrity to look into implementing these laws in other states.
Drones Over America Jun 17, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krO566t8y-E
It merits reporting a conversation I overheard two months ago. One older gentleman reported that he had married a Canadian (first nations) woman; and after a number of years his wife applied to get a Washington State drivers license. During this process she was asked whether she wanted to register to vote. She said yes and he (the husband) starting getting two mail-in ballots which he always completed and mailed in.
Isn’t that the Congressional District that the GOP-controlled legislature gerrymandered to fix .. ruin .. Allen West’s chances for re-election? So what difference would it make if the lawsuit succeeds?
There appears to be more and more evidence that the Social Security Administration does not have software checks that properly detect duplication of names, SocSec numbers, actual addresses, etc. Now I’m wondering if counties and smaller precincts even actually verify SSNs of voter registrations? Recent disclosure of a few SSA offices having frequent duplicate names and SS numbers seem to point to employees deliberately overriding the checks that ought to built-in. This also casts doubt that DMV offices are properly checking applications and registration rolls for duplications, or fake information.
Allen West is an ardent American patriot; war hero, champion of our Constitution, believer in small government not interfering with citizen’s lives, the embodiment of what ALL Congressional members should be. That’s why the corrupt, the dishonest, the con men, the treasonous had to eliminate him from Congress.
They don’t want anyone who stands up for American citizens interruping the “club meeting” on Capitol Hill.
Hopefully Mr. West will regain a seat in the House or Senate and resume representing US.
Election fraud is the theft of Americans’ right to a representative government “with the consent of the governed”. Those who commit it should face long prison sentences at hard labor and enormous fines. Jail ‘em along with those who condone it.
Go get em baby!
I can’t wait to see the results!! I am assuming this is going to be an audit that will be made public? and when should we expect it?
AKA. how many years from now?