Compromise With Vote Fraud Deniers Yields … Nothing
Make no mistake, the voter fraud deniers and election integrity opponents aren’t interested in compromise. They seek only victory. Victory means stopping every single proposal that involves ensuring lawful elections. No amount of compromise will ever satisfy them. They will still resort to attacks against proponents of election integrity who just finished compromising with them.
Of course the formerly important NAACP is one of the groups fighting hard against election integrity. I detail their descent into racialist irrelevance in my book Injustice.
I heard that the governor feared an NAACP rally against him on the steps of the statehouse. These days, given how far the NAACP has fallen, Republicans couldn’t ask for better press. Nearly eighty percent of Americans agree with voter ID and election integrity. It’s time the GOP start enthusiastically riding that tailwind.
The next question is whether Virginia will now repeat the mistakes of Texas and South Carolina and offer up a sacrifice to Eric Holder’s DOJ instead of going straight to federal court for approval under the Voting Rights Act. Will Virginia Republicans underestimate their enemies and assume that no rational person would be against the Virginia law? Will Virginia Republicans underestimate the potential for mischief and lawlessless of the United States Department of Justice? Stay tuned.
Another great article by an increasingly important voice for voting rights and fair elections.
These people are awfully short sighted. The laxity they are pushing for in government will eventually come back to bite them when/if they achieve “victory.” Because what will they inherit? I suppose they think once they’ve won they can rewrite all the rules and shape society into Utopia.
Well, yes. That’s exactly what they believe.
Somethings in life CANNOT be compromised-period. Voter fraud is one of them . Stand your ground, no prisoners. NO COMPROMISE UNDER ANY SURCOMSTANCES
The opponents of voter ID would, if they were truly concerned about disenfranchisement, be spending their time setting up organizations in every state to make sure that all eligible voters have a picture ID. Such a move would make them look sincere—and, not incidentally, would enable them to produce fraudulent photo IDs by the boatload.
But that would involve actual work—and might enable vote fraud to be traced back to them. Far easier to fight the passage and implementation of the laws in the first place.
As you were/carry on.
You know they are not serious about it by the mere fact that they absolutely refuse to scrub deceased voters from their registration lists.
Don’t worry too much: Don McEachin is widely known here as our in-state Sharpton wannabe and has no following nor credibility outside the fringe Left.
I live in Virginia – a very liberal part of Virginia. I have been asked to show my photo ID (and to recite my full name and address while they hold my ID checking my face to my picture) the entire 10 years that I have lived here. I have yet to see anybody take issue with this.
I think you are short-sighted. This is a very smart ‘get the camel’s nose under the tent’ strategy, Once the voters are used to presenting voter ID cards it will be easy to later revise them to include a photo.
THe liberals got where they are by gradualism. We can use that tactic too.
Great point about the tactics of the Left. They’ve been working hard at subverting and corrupting our systems for decades. We have to be just as dedicated to reversing the direction and healing the damage.
But, those of us with day jobs have neither the time nor the staying power of your average community organizer. That’s how things got into the fix they are in in the first place.
The tried and true tactic of the opponents of reform is always delay, delay, compromise, compromise, until the reformers lose interest and return to their lives outside politics.
At each contact between a person and the state, the question of competence, and valid intelligence occurs, and the technology of tracking and identifying must be considered. The miracle of electronic detection, communicating, data base memory, and computation is extremely powerful, complex, and vulnerable to corrupt practices, on both sides of the table. If Hitler had our electronics, not one Jew would have survived the Nazi regime. If the US government was as capable as MasterCard, our illegal immigrant problem would have been resolved by 1990. In next years car models, your new car will automatically call the state if its environmental systems falls out of spec. The state will have the technical capability to know where your car is, and to remotely shut off the engine. With the smart grid, some bureaucrat can unilaterally shut off your AC during August. The power of the state has metastasized due to electronics. Voting control is simply one dimension. The question of who is a valid voter has festered since our nation began.
My mother, a college educated Catholic, flunked her poll test in Alabama in the late 1940s. The question, which Catholics were asked, was, “How do you cook turnip greens?” No response was acceptable. She did not vote for decades.
If a voter drools on their ID card so as to make it illegible, should they vote? If they can not read a ballot, should we use pictures as many nations do? If they are mentally incapable of comprehending choice, should they choose? If they are dead, in prison, or not a citizen is that OK? If they do not know the name of their state capitol, should they vote for the people who will run it?
America will not get honest election results until the people demand an honest, competent government. The reason that our electorate is ill defined is due to incompetency, and willful intent by those who benefit from the ambiguity.
More willful than incompetency. When they really want something – like keeping Obama’s records secret – they can do anything.
Picture ID is only the first step. It will not be long before the government (local, state, federal) will require you to carry with you at all times a “smart card” with a data storage capacity measured in gigabytes. This “card” will contain everything the “State” knows about you. Your birthdate, Social Security number, marital status, address, your medical records as far back as possible, any legal or civil “infractions”. Your fingerprints, retina scans, DNA, anything else some member of “Homeland Security” can think might be useful. For those who love the idea of a “national security state” this might be a nice thing. For the rest of us, not so much. As a member of the Libertarian Party I think very few Libertarians would like this… Solely because once you let the “camel’s nose” in under the wall of your tent, the rest of the camel will eventually follow and you will be “going quietly into the night” by the “national security service” that is likely a part of our future America.
“My mother, a college educated Catholic, flunked her poll test in Alabama in the late 1940s. The question, which Catholics were asked, was, “How do you cook turnip greens?” No response was acceptable. She did not vote for decades.”
I’m not following this anecdote at all.
Was the question about cooking turnip greens administered only to Catholics? Why would Catholics get different questions than non-Catholics? How could no response be acceptable? Surely there was an “official” answer that, if guessed, would count as correct. Or do you just mean that she never guessed what that answer was? And why would getting the wrong answer preclude her from voting for decades? Was she not permitted a second attempt on the test, even after a waiting period? Did this test require a 100% score before the person could vote? Otherwise, why couldn’t her (presumably) correct answers to the other questions be sufficient to pass the test? Or were all the questions as unrelated to politics as the cooking question?
I’m sure you’re making a relevant point, I’m just not seeing it. Could you please clarify?
Purple fingers.
If it is good enough for Baghdad, it’s good enough for Philly and everywhere else in America.
Here’s a few details that reveal how the Republican voting “fraud” scam worked in 2004 in Ohio which has been challenged in a court case still winding it’s way through the legal system. Even though The Brennan Center for Justice studied voter fraud in Ohio in 2004 and found a voter fraud rate of only 0.00004%, Republicans use this “problem” as cover behind which to run their treasonous election-theft schemes.
In July, 2011, the plaintiffs the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case submitted new filings including a copy of the Ohio Secretary of State election production system configuration that was in use in Ohio’s 2004 presidential election when there was a sudden and unexpected shift in votes for George W. Bush. The private IT firm GovTech created the controversial system that transferred Ohio’s vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush’s unexpected victory. All of this was set up by the Bush/Rove IT guru, Michael Connell, who died alone in a private plane crash before he could testify in this case.
IT security expert Stephen Spoonamore examined the architecture of the computer layout set up by the Republican Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell’s office with Connell and SmartTech and identified it as a “man in the middle” set up. A “man in the middle” is a deliberate computer hacking setup, which allows a third party to sit in between computer transmissions and illegally alter the data. He explained that “they [SmarTech] have full access and could change things when and if they want.”
http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/4239
The plaintiffs in this case asked the Bush Justice Department to provide witness protection for Michael Connell but they refused. Connell, who is a pilot, was warned not to fly and that his life might be in danger. His family, conservative Christians, believe he was killed because of his long involvement with Bush and Rove setting up election theft schemes.
Anyone familiar with what happened in Ohio in 2004 knows that the computer-hacking system above was just one of many games Blackwell played to sabotage the election including requiring last-minute changes in forms for voter registration that eliminated many new voters and undersupplying Democratic-heavy districts with voting machines causing hours-long lines on election day. There’s was much more but space and time limits what I can post here.
Of course there’s more–you leftists always try to obfuscate the truth with a torrent of biased verbiage. The truth of the matter is: there is NO logical, rational reason to oppose voter photo ID laws other than to promulgate voter fraud. None whatsoever. And the American public is totally aware of this.
Mr. Loss, my “torrent of biased verbiage” was DETAILED and verifiable information that showed just ONE example of Republican election theft to which you have NO response other than to light your hair on fire and scream, “look over there, election fraud!! We need voter I.D.’s to solve this problem!”.
Did you actually read the story? Do you have anything to say about the contract signed by Blackwell that set up the “man in the middle” computer scheme? It’s all there in legal forms in a court of law. Can you explain how changing the paper-stock requirement for registration forms at the last minute as Blackwell did in Ohio which resulted in thousands of new voter registration forms being tossed in 2004 prevented “voter fraud”? I didn’t think so.
As studies have shown and as court cases now working their way through the system will show in detail, the voter I.D. laws disenfranchise many more voters than studies indicate are guilty of actual fraud. In other words, this is an expensive solution in search of a problem that will actually result in millions of people not being able to vote.
Meanwhile, it very purposely targets Democratic constituencies. What a coincidence.
While you came here fully prepared by MM or CAP to defend the indefensible, I will ask you only one question: Are you going to tell the readers that vote fraud has never been committed by the left?
Voter fraud has been done by both the left and the right. Matter of history. Neither political party has “clean hands” in this matter. Political corruption has been a part of politics ever since this country was founded in the 18th Century. The “outs” always claim that the “ins” cheated. Nature of the political animal. We used to keep certain minority groups from voting by various means. The idea isn’t anything “new”. It’s as old as the USA itself!
Of course not, but there’s no comparison in recent history between the left and Republicans; Republicans win hands down. The case I cited above is just one example – and a very serious one as it involved the presidency – of Republican election theft. It also shows how easily the new computerized voting systems can be manipulated. THAT’S the kind of fraud that can – and DID – steal the 2004 as well as other elections.
The kind of voter identity problem you’re hyped up about is like a tempest in a teapot, there is almost NO statistical affect from the few documented voting fraud cases that involves identity theft. The Brennan Center for Justice studied voter fraud in Ohio in 2004 and found a voter fraud rate of only 0.00004%. But, faux-outrage over this issue DOES work effectively to rally Republicans to unleash laws that suppress the vote – a Republican advantage – and are analogous to using a chain saw to cut a match stick.
Yes, the information is verifiable and detailed, but is it correct? I could say that the NYT verified that the information is detailed, but is it true?
And let’s not forget the company which is COUNTING THE VOTES, IN SPAIN, is associated with gyorgy soros. Based on little gyorgy’s known past about having having no compunction in selling out his jew brethren to the Nazi’s and in fact,called it the “the happiest time of my life” and found it “exhilarating”, I think the counting should be done in America, by Americans. In fact, that should be a federal law passed BEFORE THE ELECTION. And I could care less how inconvenient it is for overpaid federal employees, especially the one. CNN/Time Magazine made accusations that the US military used sarin gas in Laos. Proven to be untrue. The media is untrustworthy. Remember, those who are afraid to speak out against tyranny are already slaves.
Thomas Jefferson, whose patriotism is unquestioned, once said, “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”. Not impressed with those who are lackadaisical about electoral integrity. Someone once made the observation,“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”
Hmmmmmm? Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?
Sniff sniff. I smell a paid redirector.
I believe that term “voter fraud deniers” is a wamby-pamby attempt to criticize without being confrontational. Let’s be accurate, the term should be “voter fraud supporters”. I’m sure only a small portion of the “deniers” actually believe that these voters will be disenfranchised. The vast majority know that voter ID will hamper the efforts of the Democrats, whose name is synonymous with voter fraud. As usual with them, the end justifies the means. That being that a Democrat is elected. So voter fraud must be protected.
Virtually all of the government programs that the Democrat leadership claims are so necessary require a photo ID. So the very people that are so “disenfranchised” seem to have no problem presenting photo ID to get their handouts.
No, the only one reason to oppose voter ID is that you want and need the fraud to continue. Perhaps there are some isolated, well-to-do liberals that have bought the talking point of disenfranchisement, but those in the know are quite aware that presenting ID is really no hardship at all.
Accessories to voter fraud.
what was the report 53,000 dead people on election rolls in Florida.
When a single fraudulent vote makes the election in doubt because its integrity has been compromised, having this many people still on voter rolls is extremely significant.
And it amazes me that any major credit card company can track and red flag all their card holders when things seem
askew, but we can’t get a handle on voting, which is so precious, and could be said more important than a person losing a few bucks with a credit card abused.
We can’t get a handle on voting precisely because one major party doesn’t want to and obstructs any attempt to do so.
Such hogwash. Anyone who actually knows anything about this issue understands that the vast majority of voter/election fraud is either: (1) a person with a felony conviction trying to cast a ballot, or (2) perpetrated at higher levels, such as individuals tampering with votes and voting machines. Neither of these problems would be solved at all by Voter ID laws. But of course, none of you are actually interested in preventing electoral fraud; you are mostly just interested in preventing brown people and young people from voting.
You are, of course, lying through your teeth. As everyone in America knows (yes, even you; it’s the reason you hate voter photo ID laws). The ONLY reason to oppose these laws is to ensure voter fraud is easy and rampant. All your spin is just spitting into the wind.
then show me some data. If you are in favor of the law, surely you can show me a study that (1) individual voter fraud is “rampant” and that (2) Voter ID laws will do something to fix it.
You are the one that wants to enable lawless wrongdoers. So you tell us what “rampant” is? Another way of putting it – how much voter fraud is ok? How many units of illegal voting should we tolerate before we do something about it? You tell us your number.
translated: look over there and shut up.
Picture ID didn’t always exist. The first few driver’s licenses I had didn’t have any picture on them. This was middle 1950′s when I first got my license. The driver’s license gave your age, address, hair color, eye color along with the state issuing it. So until say around the 1960′s there simply wasn’t any such thing as Picture ID except for perhaps some federal government types. People did have to register to vote and you got a card somewhat like a driver’s license. My voter registeration card does not have my picture on it either. I’m wonder “why” this is such an issue now? There wasn’t a push for Voter Picture ID back when Bush got elected in 2000 despite the fact that the election was decided by a very tiny margin and a Supreme Court decision.
My early driver’s licenses didn’t either. So let me reverse your question – why did States find it necessary to put photo ID on everything? Why shouldn’t this apply to voting?
Why now? Well, first of all, because the technology to add photos (especially color photos) is probably relatively recent. Secondly, once upon a time both sides cheated, but the Republican machines are gone. Finally, we’ve come to realize that non-citizens appear to be voting and have decided elections.
What’s funny to me is that I live in Israel, and here you have an official national ID card (in the US, issuing such a thing would cause a revolution, as I point out to my friends here) and no one would question that you need one to vote. I’m sure all of the leftists’ favorite European countries are the same. And they had the UN looking into it!
Restricting the vote to free, white, Christian, male property-owners who could afford to pay a poll tax was good enough for our (or should I say ‘my’?) Founding Fathers. Why should I apologize?
Not asking anyone to apologize, just asking them to be honest that their goal, like yours, is to keep “undesirables” from voting. At least you’re honest about it. The rest of them are cowards.
Sock puppet, the only reason you are against voter ID laws is to allow undesirables to vote in support of your progressive party until there is only one party called the totalitarian party. What other reason would you be against laws that ensure the honesty and integrity of our voting system.
You and master bing-bong should get a room and share your stories about how you you think you have helped ruin our nation. You are both self-absorbed, narcissistic, self-loathing losers.
Nope.
Your goal is to enable “votes” to be cast by Obama Party operatives voting multiple times, in the name of the dead, etc.
Just be honest and state that the Barack Obama Party and its supporters like yourself believe you should be able to cast as many votes as you want under whatever false pretenses you like.
Except that the property ownership requirement didn’t amount to much in colonial times. People were being given hundreds of acres just for the promise that you’d build a lean-to and plant something to feed yourself within the next year. But the property requirement was commonly waived. As long as you were a free (white, black, green, blue) male person who was a citizen or had signed a loyalty oath, and had not been engaged in felonious activities, you were allowed to vote in most parts of what is now the USA.
Yes, there were some under-handed attempts by the Dems in the deep south to enforce Jim Crow laws against black people, and they’re striving mightily to keep many on a virtual dependency plantation.
Now, you should at least have to be a citizen in good standing to be allowed to vote.
P.S. William the Conqueror was the great-grand-son of a slave. Julius Caesar was interested in the British islands as a source of slaves, tin, and hopefully silver. The bad old ways are gone and quite well squelched.
The idea of having property oweners vote is based on the idea that you have the right to make laws because you own the land people live on. (At least that’s how I understood it.) More to the point, it means you have a certain stake, a responsibility, as opposed to “voting themselves largesse from the public treasury”. We should consider something like this.
A number of theo riginal colonies allowed Blacks to vote. I am not aware of any resrtrictions against Jews, althoguh in Maryland we could not run for office or form corporations (including Synagogues). The rest of the restrictions sound like good ideas.
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By “brown people”, I assume you mean non-citizens?
The is only one possible reason for opposing voter ID laws requiring a picture. EVERYTHING else requires a picture ID. Cash a check, picture ID. Apply for a loan or open a bank account or even get money out of your bank account, picture ID. Go to the doctor, Picture ID.
Vote for the president of the whole country, nah we believe you are who you say you are. That’s just BULLCRAP!
The only possible reason is to facilitate voter fraud. No other possibility.
All of these things were done in the past without picture ID. Picture ID didn’t exist until the 1960′s. People cashed checks, collected unemployment, welfare, everything else without picture ID because it simply didn’t exist then!
As I have already mentioned, Picture ID didn’t exist until the 1960′s. Yet people cashed checks, opened bank accounts, rented apartments, collected unemployment, welfare, did everything that requires Picture ID without picture ID because it simply didn’t exist then. Was there a big problem with this? Not that I know of. We are heading down the road to a “national security state” of the sort where everyone will have to carry a smart card holding every possible bit of personal information about you that “government” at all levels can find out about you. As a Libertarian I can tell that I don’t like the idea. This type of thing can be far too easily abused, and has been proven so in the past. Eventually your Picture ID “smart card” will carry your fingerprints, your retina prints, your DNA, your entire employment and family history, all your medical data, anything the government can pack into a ID card holding a gigabyte or so of information. Do we really want to go there???
I don’t think picture ID was too practical then, given the technology. Also, it took a while to realize that with the Republican machiens gone, the fraud was becoming one-sided.
Fine then- we can just use the purple finger ink like they do in Iraq.
We as a nation gain nothing by having massive voter turnout. If just a fraction, maybe 15% of eligible voters were chosen at random, evenly spread over the US, we would get the same election results. It’s all a matter of statistics — values, interests and backgrounds don’t vary enough to need any greater a voting pool. All factions would be represented. We would be better off if the people who are too dumb, uninformed or disinterested(who would be most likely to lose their ID cards) did lose their cards and didn’t vote. If they don’t care that much about their right to vote, why should we? It is far more risky to bus people to voting centers, send them absentee ballots and practically hold their hands while they vote, because it invites fraud, and because their votes will reflect their dumbness, ignorance and indifference. Who needs it?
Don’t delude yourself. These are not “voting fraud deniers”. They are voting fraud advocates.
A study by the non-partisan Brennan Center for Justice found that actual voter fraud is practically non-existent. According to the study, most cases of alleged voter fraud can be traced back to clerical or administrative errors.
http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/TruthAboutVoterFraud.pdf
Actually, the Brennan Center for Justice is a left-wing Obama Party front organization hosted by leftist NYU and headed by a Clinton puppet.
People should realize that this organization demands that Americans be disenfranchised and stripped of their rights by voter fraud — while demanding that terrorists who kill Americans have more rights than Americans do.
Your leftist lies don’t work here. Just be honest and admit that Obama supporters like yourself are desperate to enable voter fraud on a massive scale, including multiple votes cast, noncitizens voting, voting in the name of the dead, and so forth.
Go ahead and shoot the messenger (The Brennan Center) if you want but I challenge you to find the evidence of the kind of fraud you’re talking about. It’s not there. BUT, the PERCEPTION that it’s there has been ginned up by the right-wing propaganda machine in order to unleash nation-wide voter suppression techniques.
And, see my post about about what happened in Ohio in 2004. Read the story and then let’s talk about stolen elections. You find me an election stolen by the crap you’re talking about. It’s not there. But, I’ve given you a documented case with evidence presented in a court of law of an election stolen by computerized manipulation. THAT’S the REAL problem, not this stupid ACORN crap the right wing set their hair on fire over.
And John Stossel went to Minnesota and found several convicted felons and noncitizens who admitted they voted for Frankin.
The study didn’t say there was NEVER voter fraud, just that it is miniscule percentage wise.
The Brennan Center study of voter fraud in Ohio came up with 0.00004. There’s your “ACORN problem”. Sparky.
Let’s see:
Every continental European country REQUIRES voter picture ID. They must.
Under EU rules, citizens of the 27 EU countries can work anywhere they can find a job. Do the Spanish wish for their 40,000 Burgarian construction workers to vote in Spanish elections? Of course not.
France sends a letter to each registered voter telling them what poll to report to and what day. The voter must bring this letter plus two other IDs. If he doesn’t have these three pieces of documentation, he can’t vote.
Been this way for decades. What’s the problem?
Compromising with the left on anything is a fool’s errand. They will take what you give them, do whatever they can to not hold up their end of the bargain, and continue to attack you in an effort to get more concessions. Look to Iran and North Korea to see models of how progressives negotiate.
Leftists still determined to hide the truth of their massive voter fraud. Voter fraud is treason. How difficult could it be for legal citizens and no others, dead or alive, to vote once each election? If this treason offense against legal voting were tried as treason, maybe there would be less fraud…
I don’t think Virginia should have to ask whether they can enforce their voter ID law or not. They should start enforcing it and let Eric Holder take them to court over it. The idea that certain states should be treated differently than others on the basis of historical discrimination that was corrected 40-50 years ago is ludricrous.
It seems to me that the best counter-argument to the claim that voter ID laws disenfranchise voters is to simply point out that in virtually all states, you have to show an ID to REGISTER to vote. If a person is registered, then they must have had an ID. If they don’t have an ID, then they cannot be registered.
Why doesn’t this argument get made more often?
This is incomprehensible. How in the world is the Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell calling for the voter fraud? It seems that people are ignorant on what they are allowing to happens…or the just opposite, that means they are boycotting America.