No Middle Ground: Exit Joe Paterno
Many rush to compare this scandal to the one which hit the Catholic Church. Paterno is an active Catholic and was raised in a church that was damaged by the sins of trusted figures. But today, the last place you’ll find an active pedophile is in many Catholic dioceses. The Arlington Diocese in Virginia, for example, has adopted a program called Protecting God’s Children. Every person, including parents, who have any contact with children must take hours of training, and annual refresher courses. The materials contain extensive interviews with pedophiles describing their tactics. Beyond learning these tactics, the church emphasizes the need to report even mere suspicions about behavior.
The entire culture of the Catholic Church has changed. Today you are far more likely to have successful sexual predators teaching in government schools than you do inside the American Catholic Church.
The grand jury report describes red flag after red flag that should have been detected. I can say with confidence that had Sandusky coached football in a Catholic school in 2011, his behavior would have been detected and reported, and dealt with harshly, before he got very far.
Sandusky’s many, many gifts to children, his near obsession to be around them, his constant entourage of young troubled boys, his sleepovers, his aggressive touching and wrestling of boys – all of these tactics would be immediately recognized in today’s Catholic Church as a warning sign. Stern action, unlike in Penn State, would have followed.
And so exits JoePa and another attachment to our great innocent American past. Add one more example of creeping evil to our growing inventory. As C.S. Lewis noted, there is no middle ground in this game. You are on one side, or the other. The sooner you realize it, the better.
I am an alumna of Penn State, and I am beyond sickened at this whole mess.
From the graduate student on up, someone, at some point, should have aggressively and properly reported, investigated and/or prosecuted Sandusky’s (still alleged) offenses.
My alma mater’s reputation is forever ruined. I’m in mourning.
You are in mourning for a frakked up school?
How about some tears for all the boys who were raped and lost their trust in mankind? Frak Penn State and the sick, twisted and evil men that run it.
Do not misrepresent my post. If my intent wasn’t clear, I will now make it so.
That my alma mater is so disgraced is the result, rather than the perpetrator, of this situation. It’s entirely a private reaction of mine to mourn the despoiling of what had been a source of pride for so many years. A golden era had persisted, for a great many years, the credit for which Joe Paterno deserved a large share. In equal measure, Penn State’s academics and football glory gave so much satisfaction to so many, and I felt happy and privileged to be a part of it.
All of this pales before what the children suffered. I read the grand jury testimony. I literally threw up this morning.
Maybe it’s hubris to selfishly use bandwidth here to mourn the destruction of what was once such a visceral part of one’s life and history. If so, I plead guilty as charged.
There can be no forgiveness. There can be no return to the past. That is why I’m mourning.
The best use of “despoil” is not the tearing down of evil, but ruination done to a good thing.
Let not “Eowyn” fret over it all, “Eowyn”‘s first post was clear: when actually, through thorough cleansing, Penn State University might appear as a proper example—and the very thing which the regents desire to make—with his “my alma mater’s reputation is forever ruined.”, “Eowyn” does not appear as thankful that, as ever so much larger than the mere wish-craft of what might have been, the truth of it all is now manifest; no, as he says, he is “in mourning.”.
As I read his first comment—and, as “Eowyn” now further clarifies—instead of thankfulness with a measure of peace for the excision, “Eowyn” is boo hoo hooing because the horrid sham which those past days were, could not continue in memorable reality.
And, “Eowyn’s”: “football glory gave so much satisfaction to so many” is simply consistent with Caesar’s entitlement Society of his day; for, as he wryly observed: “All in the world that, the lower classes actually require is, free bread and sports.”; and, “Eowyn” “felt happy and privileged to be a part of it.”, again, not that, “Eowyn” is thankful to have now been disabused of mis-placed loyalty and affection.
And no, it is not mere hubris to selfishly use bandwidth here to mourn the destruction of that evil which was once such a visceral part of one’s life and history, but that is rather, a simplistic ingenuous expression of blind selfishness.
In all, I think rather that, not as “Eowyn” says, for impossibility of return, does “Eowyn” mourn, but “Eowyn” mourns for something else of character weakness which Penn State University appears to cultivate, this to be noticed in the pattern of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah, that, the students also, were rioting on account of Paterno’s removal—sad but true, and as “Eowyn” here made even more plain, the entire thing, an American story, . . .
I see no conflict in being saddened by both the truth AND the loss of happy memory, Mr. Galey, for all that you seem to take a rather ghoulish delight in the latter.
This whole situation hit me like a body blow, and I’m sure I’m not the only former Penn Stater to feel so. My first reaction was emotional; now I’m forced to put things in different and more rational perspective. It’s necessary, but not easy, nor is it made easier by schadenfreude.
What will probably remain in the realm of emotion is how the lives of all those children have been forever maimed, and my rational mind still can’t wrap itself around it. Maybe never will. Naturally, my own memories, however injured, don’t come close to that in any sense. I’ve not said so, and to imply it is insulting.
By the way, I’m female (viz.: my initial reference as a Penn State alumna).
And in all, nothing suggestive of thanksgiving for being disabused of mis-placed loyalty and mis-treasured memory; and in all, just too much like the mis-leading false protestations of shame from various of the sodomites who were the actual perpetrators—how many can reasonably entertain the belief that, Sandusky was the only one?
And, “a goulish delight” in any of this? No. There is no pleasure in the death of the wicked, saith The Lord. Some things are like cutting wood—just a thing which has to be done: Was it ass. coach McQuery who saw Sandusky in rape of the boy in the shower—I have no inclination or need to go over the names, dates and places? But whoever it was, I wonder what it is in the Penn State environment that, in the moment of felony commission, the guy didn’t get a chair, or even his bare hands, and bash Sandusky’s head in, . . .
Having had experience among various types of criminals, and as the live of some of the people at Penn State are demonstrative of, I can testify with all certainty that, by far away and in the largest of considerations, pedophiles are the most cunning; and—no telling how many in that cabal are card carrying members of the man-boy-love-association, but—they will have a laugh at how long the scenario there was allowed to continue.
While the correct response in any Penn Stater would have to do with shame and thanksgiving for a fault being pointed up and hope for thorough triage and cleansing, for our politically correct time and place concerning sodomy and the rape of children, no, there won’t much come of all this; G0D Himself is called upon to do for us that which we cannot or will not do for ourselves, . . . “But if we would judge ourselves, we should not then be judged of The Lord.”, a most painful experience, . . . double punishment: firstly, for tolerance of the conditions which allowed the primary wrong, and secondly, for failure to assess and apply appropriate correction, . . .
Okay, John Calvin.
This is a political whack job, if it is not a whack job why was Mike McQueary not removed also? He said he witnessed one of the incident and told Joe Paw who reported it to his bosses. When and if the truth ever comes out, Joe will be exonerated, I do believe that, Joe had the campus police run an investigation on this matter back in the 90`s. Why not leave Joe finish the season, firing Joe will not change anything that has already happened. I would like to see the Penn State kids boycott this home game with Nebraska and have an empty stadium, if not there will be trouble, or the players show up claiming to be hurt and unable to play. They will not do this because it does not benefit them!
The reputation of our dear “Eowyn”‘s alma mater is forever ruined? We shall see; for, as at least one justice has pointed out, most usually, the former deeds are to be judged by that which follows. There is a way out of their mess; most obviously, first, the regents must give evidence of thorough house-cleaning.
And, wasn’t John Calvin notorious for persecution and for his rationalizations productive of a kind of fatalism in his doctrine of pre-destination?
Because we occupy our place in a time-bounded universe, as appears—the details of Penn State’s past being completely known—although Penn State was destined for this, Penn State’s future is not yet written. Except, critical mass in the Penn State people have to begin making choices in wisdom—plainly, than what has been done, quite a bit different, and far above the abilities of their rioting students, . . . and far beyond the White House’s installation of the sodomite Kevin Jennings, first as the assistant deputy secretary in the Department of Education, heading the “Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools” thence, to become the Czar of “Be the Change”.
I’m trying to simply say that, any necessary inspection of oneself is best not left to another—I mean, especially to one whose is able to wield power over oneself, . . . such as a judge; and in any use of wisdom, we should be most thankful at having first opportunity for amendment, . . .
You expressed the evidence of the exact brainwashing given to students at PS and you don’t even realize it. It’s all about me, football, money, winning, pompoms and butt pats on the field. You should be outraged AT your school for enabling abuse of children and not protecting children even in the showers. Those dudes at that school all knew what was “up” with Sandusky and the DONORS. They got their pay and kept quiet. Anyone who is a student, grad, or affiliated with that facility and I mean facility, is stupid and without character. You earned it, Wear it. Only way reputations of students can be repaired is to surge in a demand to close the evil school.
He saw yet said nothing, makes him as guilty as the baby raper. lock his ass up for not reproting a crime to police, then go after him with a Civil Suit.
The students at Penn U riot in support of tis clown, suspend all sports at Penn U and fire every member of the faculty.
This ain’t funny and I am not impressed with this pedophile enabler’s foot ball accomplishments if it meant allowing such filth to happen in his locer rooms.
Is this what all Penn U football players do up there?
You are wrong, HEP-T. Joe Paterno did report Sandusky to his superior who, as is clearly stated in this article, “oversaw the Penn State police department, a real police force with arrest powers.”
There is an awful lot of sanctimony on display against Paterno. He is a fallible man, and maybe he used poor judgment in not reporting Sandusky more than he did. Yet I also sense that, as Rush Limbaugh noted recently, there are an awful lot of people howling for Paterno’s head, whose lives do not display as much virtue as Paterno has.
I see, so Big Joe Paterno was so upset about this incident he allowed this ex-assistant coach access to the facilities for another decade? This would not have gone unpunished if Paterno’s grandson was the one in the shower. At minimum Penn State should be out of post season play and not be allowed to offer football scholarships for at least a decade. If this doesn’t cost Penn State several hundred million dollars they will have gotten off easy.
I agree: being the head coach is not a right but a job and a rather privileged one at that. Failure to manage those under you is a personal failure, knowledge or no. Using legalize to defend Paterno in this context is nonsense. It’s Paterno’s job to run a clean program and if it’s too big for him to manage then get someone who’s up to hiring decent men above reproach.
Win at all costs: no.
Both you and the Forgotten Man are making an assumption that Mr. Paterno saw Sandusky on campus in the sports facilities after the 2002 exercise in how asinine and easily corruptible the nature of bureaucracy is. To be sure, the amount of time suggests Paterno saw Sandusky often enough, but do not underestimate Sandusky’s ability to manipulate situations and people. Furthermore, I doubt that the elderly Paterno frequents the facilities that often at night, save perhaps the night before leaving for a game. In fact, Paterno strikes me as someone who schedules his life fairly well with impromptu driving trips to campus being a thing of the past. Conversely, from the Grand Jury report it is pretty evident that Sandusky was a pro at manipulation and cunning, which probably includes having a good grasp of reading people and taking an inventory of their habits and patterns.
I think people seem to overlook or not appreciate how disciplined Sandusky was in these attacks. It is as if people are afraid to encounter the predator as a predator with all of the evil attached and so they focus the horror and anger on outsiders. I understand a desire for a fall guy. However, the wish that some outside action should have come to the rescue and prevented Sandusky’s hunts should not make us lose sight of the big picture. The fact of the matter is since 1995 there are only two known witness accounts of assault/rape. Two. Clearly, Sandusky knew how and when to run the tables. Clearly, he could control himself.
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that Sandusky knew how to get what he wanted and from whom. Think of the janitor(s) and Sandusky prowling the outside grounds waiting for them to finish cleaning (or so it would seem). Why? Nothing was reported by anyone – - – you decide what happened, but my money is someone talked with Sandusky that night. Then there is McQueary who acted like a complete ass when he came across the rape. According to his own testimony he was seen by Sandusky and that poor boy. According to his own testimony, he waited until the next day to talk to Paterno. What did he really say to Paterno? It would not take long to spit out, “I walked into the shower rooms last night and saw Sandusky raping a boy.” What did he say to the others in the meeting later? All the stories conflict. It is possible that McQueary did see what he said to the Grand Jury, but did not tell others, thinking something would be done even if the real nature of the crime was not revealed. It is possible he was persuaded by a person or persons to minimize what he witnessed. The whole McQueary thing is very fishy. I do not think he is being fully honest. Either that or the Grand Jury withheld information in the released report. Plea bargain? Is that possible?
At the bare minimum, Joe trusted his facilities to Sandusky and so Joe is responsible for the abuses Sandusky committed there. He can’t vouch for the guy, and then claim it’s out of his hands because he and “experts in such matters” were completely fooled.
The more troubling aspect is the sudden and unexpected retirement of 55 year old Sandusky in June of 1999. The grand jury information suggests that Sandusky believed Joe pushed him out. Joe HAD to know about the 1998 charge investigated by campus police, and my guess is that Joe welcomed the prosecutor decision to not file charges. I’m sure he also welcomed the 2002 decision by AD Curley and VP Schultz to close the matter with no referral to police or child protective services. Joe must cling to the 50′s & 60′s view that these kinds of scandals are not discussed and no one volunteers to help out the children caught in them. I’m sure Joe thought it was better to prevent PSU’s reputation from being crippled with the scandal. That old-school mentality of enabling pedophilia brought Joe down, and rightfully so.
Face it. If this story had come out earlier, it would have been bad for recruiting. What parent is going to send their son to a college where homosexuality runs rampant?
1)All men are fallible—yeah, so what, . . . the question remains—where is the mitigation?
2) I don’t consider Paterno to have used poor judgement; rather, he was derelict in that, he did not persevere to a publicly acceptable result.
He didn’t “see”. He heard about an incident second-hand. I’m not apologizing for him, but get the facts right.
Actually Joe Paterno didn’t see. He heard about it three years after Sandusky retired, from the eye witness McQuery.
McQuery saw, and did nothing for three or more years.
You are incorrect. The asst. coach that witnessed it (and shockingly, did NOTHING!!) reported it to Paterno the very next day!!! In fact he went to his home to tell him. There are multiple links to the grand jury transcripts for you to verify this for yourself.
You are right. March 1, 2002 was the date that McQuery witnessed Sandusky engaging in a sexual act with a male child. I misunderstood the initial reports.
Question. Under what circumstances wasw Sandusky allowed to use the Penn State facilities after he resigned in 1999? Was he using his “Second Mile” organization to keep a wedge in the Penn State door? It is obvious, that like most pedophiles, Sandusky put himself in a position to have unsupervised contact with little boys, because you know, pedophiles just love children.
But, Sandusky is the bad guy here, not Joe Paterno. A type of compulsively evil predator who performs acts that 99% of us cannot understand. I suspect that you will find that many of the men who are in his Second Mile group are just like him, as these creatures tend to network. I also suspect that Paterno could not make himself beieive what he had heard, because it was so far outside of his personal paradigm.
And now he’s the coach; go figure. Why didn’t he call 911 on a man now charged with some 40 counts? Obviously this man cannot stay coach and to have him in that position is a slap in the face of morality.
I’m trying to imagine myself coming upon a scene in a shower like the vulgarity described and not instantly calling the police and I cannot.
Our legislators are responsible for crimes against children for not enacting applicable criminal laws designed to PREVENT child molestation. No child should ever be abused and no innocent adult should be held accountable for the crimes another commits. Joe Paterno is not guilty of anything – we the people are for electing inept (criminal) law makers who have allowed perverts to roam free to act on sexual desires. I suppose it is much more lucrative for the lawyers to sue institutions. The perp and state law makers should be on the front page, rather than Paterno. We need to act on root causes in this nation instead of putting bandaids on each wounded child.
how does one frame a law to punish pre-crime?
how does a law prevent an action?
do you have a suggestion for a law that prevents victimization that doesn’t amount to pre-crime law?
just curious…
The general counsel for the non-profit Sandusky used to recruit victims was also the general counsel for Penn State. Look for more arrests once they start investigating the non-profit that was informed of the charges in 2002, yet let him remain with the organization and take children out of their high school classes to be raped.
I get why Paterno has been fired; its CYA all the way. But why does Mike “I witnessed a guy butt-raping a 10 year old boy, walked away from a felony in progress, and called my daddy” McQuery still have a job? That little weasel needs to be fired now AND stand up in public and tell everyone why he didn’t do anything about it.
It’s a quid pro quo.
We’ll give you a good job, let’s keep this indiscretion just between us, it’s best for the University.
He should never have another coaching job is his life.
I wonder how many suicides we’ll see from this horror.
As long as they are Penn State employees that commit suicide what is the down side? I really hope the little boys are OK and if they take Penn State for hundreds of millions of dollars, good!
The case against Joe Paterno is not nearly as obvious as it is being made out to be.
http://no-boxes-allowed.blogspot.com/2011/11/in-defense-of-joe-paterno.html
That is the most reasonable thing I have yet read about Paterno with regard to the recent Penn State scandal. Thank you.
#5 Jeff — Thanks for that information. It helps to keep in perspective the fact that life is seldom if ever as simple as we’d like it to be — or as simple as the liberals insist it is.
Back awhile ago, when Michael Jackson shuffled off this mortal coil, my wife and I were in a restaurant with a friend — a very elderly liberal woman — who was going on and on about how Jackson was the most talented pop musician ever to walk the earth (forgetting all about Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, et. al.). Finally I’d had enough, and quietly said “He was a serial child molester!”
She gave me a look, of the kind reserved for a kindly adult addressing an errant child, and said “Oh, we don’t care about that. (pause) WE don’t care about THAT.”
I was about to ask what if it had been her son, or grandson, but stopped when I got “the look” from my wife that indicated “not here, not now.” Indeed, it would not have accomplished anything.
One wonders, though, just who it is who is after Joe Paterno’s head?
Jeff contributed. His link should be read by all.
It is inevitable that more facts will come out. Paterno’s place in history hinges on what did he know, and when did he know it? It may well be true that Joe Paterno’s conduct will be found to be of the caliber that most Americans held ten days ago of this titan of sportsmanship. For Penn State supporters I hope so, but he is human. However it is now obvious that the Administration totally failed basic responsibilities, and has incurred unscoped liability. There are tort liability lawyers, yet unborn, who will feast on this rotten carcass. No one can condone the rape of children.
At this point, I hold that a wholesale firing was both needed and justified. At this point, I would issue concealed weapons permits for college shower rooms.
The Penn State students rioted in support of Paterno. I submit that if he had not been fired, Penn State students would have rioted over that. Furthermore, I bet 80% of the rioters would have shown up for either cause.
ust a thought….
Child sex crimes -always evil. Abortion -not so evil?
Planned Parenthood gets young girls coming to them every day who are pregnant – which means they were raped – and yet they don’t report the rapes to the authorities. This would make them as bad as anyone being prosecuted in this Penn State case.
This case is getting very serious and the FBI will not give up.
DA Who Never Charged Sandusky Has Been Missing Since 2005
Why didn’t Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar prosecute Jerry Sandusky the first time he was accused in 1998?
We may never know, as Gricar disappeared in 2005.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html
Perhaps he retired to a witness protection program. In any case he’s unavailable.
Ray Gricar’s laptop—minus its hard-drive—was recovered from the bottom of a large body of water, . . .
Why didn’t Joe follow up, aggressively over this? It’s an explosive charge about something which could not have been misinterpreted. It’s not the job of the AD or v.p. to investigate, they aren’t trained for this. I doubt the campus police are trained for child sex abuse cases. You bring in a detective who specializes in these sorts of cases. Paterno’s got a couple of state troopers by his side for every home game, why not have Penn State call up the state troopers and bring in an expert? I’d expect to be interviewed by such a detective if I were Joe.
You’ve got a problem on your staff. There’s either a graduate assistant who’s making the vilest charges, and lying about it. In which case I hound him out of my program and all of college football. Or else there’s a pedophile on staff, who needs to be in jail, not allowed to retire.
BTW, just let the other prisoners know who Sandusky is and what he did. They’ll take care of things, same as with Jeffery Dahmer.
My sentiments exactly.
How can you report something so serious involving two people you know very well (perp and witness) and then go on with your life not attempting to tie up some serious loose ends ?
What happened to the buck stops here? Holder is in charge of his team, Paterno in charge of his. While I appreciate the legal niceties laid out by Mr. Adams and Jeff Cox, which are very real, in this case, they almost rise to a form of pedantry in the face of the moral considerations.
Are we to believe that this is a case where Paterno cannot be expected to “micromanage” his people? In the case of a child rape accusation?
Heartily agreed! Enough of this talk of procedures, policies, programs, hierarchies, official obligations, clauses in job descriptions, and codes of conduct. What for god’s sake was the ETHICAL thing to do?
By the way, would an organization of plumbers or cab drivers be enjoying all this moral ambiguity? Paterno didn’t work any harder for U Penn than any damn janitor. When will this society quit the Religion of Football? (And Basketball, and Baseball, and so on.)
Jane – the DA decided not to charge Paterno. I attempted to explain what those “legal niceties” were. The moral considerations were the focus of the last paragraph of the piece. Check it out again.
In using the term “legal niceties” I was somewhat sarcastically referring to the idea of only doing the minimum of what the law requires, which in this case was what is known as an epic fail.
McQueary may have done his duty under the law; in my view he should be fired immediately.
Not a PSU alum – but Paterno has been coach there for as long as I’ve been following college football. The man is an institution. It’s truly sad he has to leave under a cloud of bad behavior by others – yes, he did have an obligation to report it which he did – but Adams points out that, “Sandusky’s behavior was so alien, so unfamiliar and sickening, one might rationalize and minimize it rather than act on it.” However, I don’t think Paterno rationalized or minimized it – I think he did the best thing he (being of old-school thought) knew to do to make it go away – report it and hope it ended.
In a contest of credibility between Paterno, Sandusky & Schultz – my money’s on Paterno.
Re-elect Obama. Allow him to keep Kevin Jennings in a “Safe School Czar” and the horrors of the Penn State locker rooms will be happening in every school in America.
In the Navy, the Commanding Officer loses his command for screw ups by the sailor on watch, if serious enough if the CO had done everything right himself. That is a harsh standard but it is the standard.
In a program like PSU football, they are required by the NCAA to be vigilant for things like gifts from boosters. But somehow a coach (or later former coach) having in tow young boys regularly does not raise suspicion, especially after the 98 event came to life. That is condoning and smells of a cover up. Had Paterno done more then there would have been a de-link from Sandusky and PSU. It would have been former coach …, still a tragedy but at a distance from the program.
Paterno ruled PSU, MacQuery probably felt that Sandusky could get him fired and probably had power over him. He was obviously distraught, and did report up the chain. Paterno did what was probably the legally required, but not sufficient for being the leader of the program.
There is such a thing as the chain of command in the military – I imagine it exists even in the Navy. (Former Marine, couldn’t resist) Your obligation is to report the crime to your superiors. It is not to go over their heads to ensure it is prosecuted in the way you see fit.
If the facts are as stated, Penn State had every right to fire Paterno, and they did. His failing was an ethical one. His legal obligation was to report the crime to his superiors, which he did.
Mark:
You should know about that thing called command responsibility. When something goes wrong it is the CO’s fault even if there was know way that he could have intervened. He has failed to properly train the members of his command. If the failure to lead is egregious he can even be charged with dereliction of duty.
Joe Paterno was the CO of the football program. It was his responsibility to report a crime that took place under his tenure directly to law enforcement. In the Navy (or its subordinate organization the Marine Corp) the commanding officer can go VFR direct to NCIS. He doesn’t get off by simply reporting the violation up the chain. A commander has the full authority to handle a violation of military or civilian law on his own. While it is true that Paterno had no legal obligation to call the cops he had a moral one. His failure to exercise his moral obligation warrants summary dismissal.
I believe I wrote that Paterno was fired, as he should have been. My quarrel is with the disparate treatment of McCreary, who was a 28 year old adult at the time. And people who are making up legal obligations that do not exist. For what is legally heresay.
Paterno failed, and it cost him his job and his reputation. The Navy doesn’t send commanders to prison for the crimes of subordinates. They just lose their jobs and their careers. Just like Paterno did.
How can a 28 year old “man” stand by and watch a grown man rape a boy. Manly instintcts are to beat the holy hell out of the predator. If a burglar enters your home do you slip out the other door and call your dad about what you should do. And, that is just piece of property, not a human being.
Actually, in the military, if you report a crime to your commander, and he covers it up, you have a second crime to report to his superior.
The big question the more I read about this: the sole evidence that the two folks indicted for perjury committed it appears to be Joe Paterno’s testimony that he told them about it, while they deny that he did so.
If JoePa never told them and kept it to himself, their inaction makes perfect sense. Meanwhile his continued inaction when nothing is done to Sandusky is more believeable. It also explains why JoePa would
Is it possible here that we have it backwards, that JoePa is the one lying and the TWO people who were above him are not?
A lot of things are possible. Absent evidence, yours is not an accusation I would make. I am not an alum or a Penn State fan.
I will wait for the trial before I rush to judgement. There is no similar outcry over Holder’s actions, for which there is much more evidence, but I guess a few hundred dead Mexicans don’t count for much.
I believe I read in the transcripts that Paterno had McQuery reiterate what he witnessed to both of those men.
The graduate student, who was an adult, should have gone to the police long ago. I think Paterno should have been allowed to resign..in view of his years of service and reputation. Legally, he did nothing wrong.
Exactly, and like, Edward Kennedy should have been allowed to continue by getting off with a mere show of penance because—for whatever any of several possible excuses—legally, he committed no crime; I mean, like, Mary Jo was pregnant and all but, did we really need more children in this over-used world, and who knows how old the child would now be, and might just grow up to be run over by a bus, anyways?
Driving drunk, crashing, and leaving your passenger to die is manslaughter. Failing to follow through on an investigation you think your superiors are handling is not dereliction of a legal obligation.
University sports is a big business. The bigger the national standing of the school the greater the pressure to deliver a winning season. It seems that everything can be subjugated to this goal. So much the sadder. No… this is the saddest. In years to come when people lament on the university sports phenomenon having so much influence over a university *life and reputation* and over university academics, they will point to PSU. And not in a good way.
I don’t know what can be done for the victims, but I do know that PSU should wipe that football program from the university for a decade or two. At the very least.
My apologies to J. Christian for responding to his story before I read the article, but there are a few things that I know about college football that are germane to the discussion.
First, allegations like those against Sandusky, known to a few in the Penn State football program initially, immediately spread like wildfire to the football community, not just at Penn State, in this case, but on a nationwide level.
One of the things I’m alleging is that many players over the years have known of Sandusky’s crimes against kids.
Around the time Penn State agreed to a coverup in exchange for Sandusky quitting coaching, football circles at big colleges were aware of Sandusky’s pedophilia; it had to be fairly common knowledge.
Something else, notice how all the news reports are avoiding questions whether any in the football program at Penn State had heard rumors of Sandusky’s criminal actions.
There was a huge coverup.
There is no doubt in my mind that Paterno was in on it. No doubt at all. Paterno possibly interceded on Sandusky’s behalf to strike the deal: quitting coaching for not making the molestations more public than they already were.
Don’t forget a district attorney declined to prosecute Sandusky more than ten years ago for molestation charges. The family was undoubtedly paid off to stop complaining about the attack.
In this case, the coverup wasn’t as horrific as the crime.
About the kids that rioted last night at Penn State, they should be expelled.
At this point, Penn State has much to worry about; besides civil suits by the hundreds, some honest reporter is going to talk to some players from years gone by who’s going to tell the truth about Sandusky’s reputation during the player’s years at Penn State.
He’ll drop the bomb: “Sandusky’s pedophilia problems; they were common knowledge. The players used to joke about it.”
The Penn State Trustees will be the last to go. But they’re just as culpable as anyone for they knew the truth for years.
Searching for some flaw, however slight, if by any means I might learn from those who—than myself—are ever so much better educated, having twice gone over “rachel peepers”‘s succinct and clear post, the only thing of note appears to me as that: “About the kids who rioted last night at Penn State, they should be expelled.” should be re-iterated.
In defense of decency: The rioters’ mayhem appears peremptory, sudden, without true cause or deliberation, yes, but in tenor, immediately, it reaches first into other institutions of higher learning, and thence to detriment in the Society.
Although I’m presently without the credential of matriculation through to a four-year degree (And I do so hope that, I’ve use that word, correctly; and please, inform me if otherwise.), for a long time, I’ve noticed that, people who are without the benefit of formal education, expect educated people to settle things without forming into mobs and doing as does any mob; and further, from watching W. Buckley’s Firing Line and since then, in many other similar forums in which educated people put themselves on display, I notice that, educated people also, expect better things of each other—to get what they desire, they tend not toward robbing and raping and name-calling and throwing things; somewhere or other, educated people have learned of the efficiency and economy of effort, the greater happiness in talking and working together.
In rejoinder to call for expulsion, then to say: “Well, these rioters are mere students, as yet unlettered.”, is to blink the fact that, even as every child does, these also, learned to emulate and even to seem in that form unto which they have aspirations—if by any means they might gain recognition and at last, attain.
Now they’re in school, they have opportunity for rubbage with scholars, . . . almost a breath away from all good things which acceptance in the educated group, affords; and, such strange response have these, . . .
Upon but slight perception of mere injustice or wrong, immediately, then to riot, is not nearly so becoming of the personality of a student as does it betray the character of a dyed in the wool, rioter.
And for the rioters’ action denying education at the very core of it, as a kind of defense for decent Society, than that, the rioters be sent forth under any apparent lettering in false flag of worthiness of higher degree, for the community as a whole, far better were it that, the rioters were simply put out, tooth and claw, to fend for themselves as they might, and definitely without the presumption of rightful attachment unto and expectation of the assistance of the educated people’s world.
Nor, as in: “Oh gosh, we just can’t expel some when others ‘get away’ scot free.”, for fear of any representation of unequal treatment in simplistic minds ought the school, refrain; for, in defense of itself—and for the very idea of school, generally—in actual fact, it is upon Penn State to make that plain statement.
And further to the national Society, as Samson said—if, honey can be drawn from a carcass—in this moment of difficulty for Penn State as a defense against rioters—the anarchy of natural man—being one of the last to achieve statehood and so, for a long time kept under federal jurisdiction, and thence, largely without rule of law at the neighborhood level, and otherwise unfavorably proximally situated near the geographical center of the nation, in the early days, the Oklahoma territory attracted many criminal types—not just Jesse James and Pretty Boy Floyd, but many others—and thence also, the unique pejorative “Oklahoma justice”.
And so, to rise above that which had been an Oklahoma of beforetimes, these Oklahomans generally, put some effort into living and doing as may best serve the desired end—not the least of which is our interest in things pertaining to education of our citizens. And as but one example, the largest single purchase in Steinway history, an Oklahoma woman made for Oklahoma City University—if by use of what one has—oil money—one might provide at least the physical environment for self-improvement. And in the nature of things, we watch, and listen to what the Northern and Eastern schools are doing, . . .
About the only significant thing which I recall of Pennsylvania is that, a long time ago, a Philadelphia lawyer defended freedom of the press as an actualized concept—really, for planet Earth—if you own the press—the which, I mention, to simply say that, whatever good of Pennsylvania there had been gained for the world in those former times, decency and goodness require timely refreshment. But if nothing more, and for the good progress of the rest of us, I do hope that, Penn State at least maintains what they have been given.
And if expelled, don’t worry, these rioter may find another school; but however it might be for each of them, may each carry with them a valuable lesson concerning mayhem in opposition to civil decorum and directly counter to the Socratic treatment of all things, which, . . . is the very thing and the largest part of what a university educational experience is all about.
So, would “rachel peepers”‘s paragraph read better as: “About the kids who rioted last night at Penn State, they should be immediately expelled.”? No, not really; for, then might I be put to undergo criticism for a mere redundancy, . . . and although immediacy may seem to be better, immediacy is not necessary; for, in it’s effect, a well deliberated move is generally considered to be the weightier, . . .
This is starting to sound like the case in Nebraska with the Franklin Savings and Loan, where children were used as sex toys at parties.
Amazing that pedophiles can always find other pedophiles to have these parties with.
This article sounds like a sales job for the Catholic church. What this issue has in common w/ the CC is that men of authority knew about an atrocity and did not do the right thing. Oh, and in both cases they were Catholic. I don’t give a sheesh about his “legal” responsibility. You asked the question “where was his outrage?” If he is supposed to be such a moral giant – where was it? Forgetting outrage, how about some genuine concern? For the VICTIM! (Not his precious football program) Or good old fashioned courage? So far I have seen nothing about a confrontation w/ the rapist. Nothing about a conversation, a phone call, an inquiry … nothing! You neglected to mention that the rapist ran a charity for troubled boys. They all knew darn well what the potential for danger was to the kids involved in that program. This is a classic CYA case.
So now he feels terrible and is “praying.” Thank you very little! The only thing he is genuinely sorry about is his own reputation. He and every one of those men who were aware of this are all complicit in every single subsequent rape/molestation that occurred afterwords. That’s 10 years worth of abuse for multiple little boys.
Additionally, this has been a 2 year long grand jury case. I don’t know at which point Paterno testified; but, if he felt so bad about it, why didn’t he quit after he testified?
I’m surprised it took so long for someone to try to tie this to the Catholic Church.
Yes, the Church deserved ALL the scorn recieved for the horrific cover ups and shuffling around of predators. Just like at Penn State today. Tho it should be noted that that shuffling occurred mainly in the ’70′s. And, supposedly Paterno knew back in ’02.
Knowing ALL that we know now society has to come to some very tough understanding of the size and scope of the abuse — an terrible Evil.
We have to recognize that predators are going to actively seek out jobs and opportunites to perpetrate their evil. And, that includes ministers AND coaches.
All of this means is that we have to stay vigilant to protect our children. Like anyone else, they have to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Keep your guard up.
I say ALL of this as a devoted Roman Catholic man and father.
In the Catholic Church, homos targeted it to destroy it from within….PS a very different siuation.
Why hasn’t anyone, in any report, ever, said the one word that makes this whole mess make sense?
That word is this: Gay.
Gays are not just a protected class, but a ferociously protected class in our country. Brett Ratner just got fired from producing the Oscars for saying an offhand remark that disparaged gays. Carrie Prejean was brutally treated by the press for saying that her religion didn’t believe in gay marriage. A gay boy that was murdered over his wallet contents in Wyoming is lionized while another boy who is sadistically raped by gay men for days and then murdered is forgotten.
If you saw a grown man and what looked like a child but may, just may have been another slightly built man going at it in the showers, would you run to the cops and the press and the administration? More likely you cover your eyes and run away fast to keep your job and your career.
There are gay rapes going on nearly every day at the Occupy Wall Street encampments. No one is reporting them. No one speaks of them except for outlets like Breitbart. Gay sex is a landmine and the only way that this story broke into any headlines is because the boy being sexually assaulted was young enough to be able to say “pedophile” and ignore the word “gay” altogether.
And believe me, if I had to publish this comment under my real name I would not.
Bingo, Bonnie! My sentiments exactly. Sandusky is a sick bullying degenerate. He is also a homosexual.(in my simple lexicon, a man who sodomizes boys is a homosexual). He’d be a poster boy for NAMBLA and I wonder where the Einsteins of the American Psychiatric Association are who want to classify sex with children as a disorder and proclivity and not the monstrous evil it is. They ought to put the sick bastard in the main yard at the state penitentiary and let jailhouse justice for “short eyes” prevail.
Great post! Agree with you 100%. In all of these cases, the word pedophile is used as a distraction. Imagine if he had been caught raping a young girl. Do you think the reaction would have been the same? Never. He would have been hog tied and beaten from the outset. Sandusky is a homosexual pervert, a pedophile. And these are the types of people and their supporters who besmirch and condemn the Boy Scouts because they have stood firm against allowing them to roam freely and unmolested among groups of young boys. What he did was monstrous and in this world, there is no greater sin than the defilement and debauchery of children. What a despicable human being.
If you have a strong stomach, read The Pink Swastika by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams. I would not buy it from Amazon because one of the sellers seems to be a strange “Christian” sect. You can buy it from Scott Lively’s website: defendthefamily.com. Also, you can actually read it online at the website. That’s what I did while I was waiting for my book to arrive.
Also, Muslims do not believe having sex with a prepubescent boy is homosexuality. One of the ties between the Nazis and the Muslims was pedaristy.
Thanks for pointing out what people don’t want to admit.
Why do people keep flogging this Pink Swastika book around? Don’t you ever Google tites? It’s a fake.
And if you ever run across “The Road To Stalingrad” by Beno Zeisser, that’s a fake WW II memoir written to make the Nazis look like they weren’t such bad guys after all. The real truth is that they weren’t such bad guys after having about 18 zillion tons of TNT dropped on them.
People lie.
Scott Lively is not fake. He went to Uganda (I believe) to help get a law passed to protect boys from homosexual rape. Witch doctors were telling men with AIDS that having sex with a “virgin” would cure them. The Homosexual Stream Media in this country reported this as a case of homophobia. What the Homosexual Stream Media and people like youself did not report was that Uganda already had a law that protected underage girls. Homosexuals were not being singled out. Learn to read. Read before you type.
Take your own advice partner: what does Uganda have to do with Nazi Germany?
They were both pedarist havens. Lively, unlike yourself, does his home work. You have never read The Pink Swastika. It is thorouhly documented. Read a couple of the books he references. Then get back to me. Partner. I always take my own advice and research, research, research.
That’s not the point oh reading challenged one: I never said anything about Lively and Uganda but about his Nazi book so what they have in common is immaterial to what I wrote.
Secondly, The Pink Swastika is a pack of lies.
Fake?…Homosexuality is a sign something went wrong. Proof: Commons sense.
I read it years ago….a very important book….please note NAMBLA is very strong within the “gay community”.
the fact that there is a small but influential movement to normalize pedophilia just shows that GAY is the foundation for moral decay in society..
I’ve read The Pink Swastika..it’s been done before, it’s happening now..
Gays need a constant supply of fresh meat.. some are willing to form the young for a life of self hate.. the fastest way to destroy a human is to take their innocence away, then they are but pawns to be sacrificed for the greater community of hungry flesh lovers..
Actually, idolatry is. Homosexuality is an advanced condition of societal decay after a significant number have rejected God and chosen to chase after wickedness. Notice among our society that open homosexuality only became commonplace after people started suppressing Christianity from the public and divorce and fornication became publicly acceptable. Romans 1 details the death spiral of a society that rejects God, and rampant homosexuality is unambiguously an advanced case, metastasized, if you will.
I think you absolutely nailed it.
If there is (and there may be, I guess) such a thing as main stream homosexuality, the current Administration of our government has employed the extremist likes of Kevin Jennings as the “Safe School Czar.” Look him up in FIRST THINGS for a particularly chilling expose of current MAN/BOY “love” topic.
Remember that he is, or was, an Obama appointee.
How did we wind up with so many lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgender CHILDREN? Is it not fair to ask why, with our current understanding that the human brain matures at about age 25, we seem awfully ready to embrace the whims of
children as inherently wise about the lifetime course of their sexuality?
Yes, there is an absolutely ferocious advocacy of gay and transgenerational sex (pedophilia) being foisted upon us by our own governments, including, most recently, my home state. “Anti-Bullying” is the hook to establish special treatment for gay sex advocacy among children who don’t even know what love is.
Mainstream everything and then no judgement can have value.
These victims were 8-11 years old. Shame on you
Where’s the like button? I’m also reminded of the hypocrisy over the Michael Jackson case, where people are celebrating the demise of a Dr. over what may in the end just be an accidental assisted suicide of another pedophile.
Maybe, you should take time to review your options: Maybe, you could feel yourself to be at peace in Oklahoma, . . . plus, none of the Oklahoma banks are on the bust, . . . plus, should an Oklahoman property owner be determined of insufficient money to pay property tax, the Oklahoma county assessors people do not put Oklahomans into the street, . . . plus, people are moving from California to Oklahoma, . . . to get a job, . . .
I could say more, but, yeah, feeling free to publish under your own name is worth at least something—isn’t it?
When Sandusky retired, it was actually part of an agreement the Trustees, the President of the University and Paterno created. In exchange for the retirement, I am convinced they agreed to a coverup; meaning they wouldn’t publicize Sandusky’s acts of pedophilia.
Throughout the Penn State football community, it’s been known, I believe, for more than ten years that Sandusky performed criminal acts with kids.
In fact, the DA years ago failed to prosecute Sandusky for having sex with children.
As far as the student rioters, all that are identifiable as damaging property should be expelled.
Penn State, needless to say, has opened itself up, in my opinion, to civil suits in the hundreds. It’s a university that should be taken apart brick by brick.
I think the Governor will see to it that there is a clean sweep.
Right on. Remember, Penn St is also the university directly associated with the AGW data scandal. It has shown itself to be thoroughly corrupt morally and intellectually.
I’m thinking what happened was Everybody got to keep their job as long as they kept their mouths shut. And Sandusky was allowed to retire.
Except he didn’t retire – he just quit coaching the football team. He continued to prey on children and everyone involved knew about it and looked the other way.
If permitted to, pedophiles will ALWAYS re-offend. A tiger doesn’t change its stripes and a biting dog is always a biting dog.
If there is no middle ground in child abuse cases, why do we not vigorously challenge Muslims to reject their ‘holy prophet’ Muhammed as a child rapist?
The entirety of Islamic civilizational consciousness and morality rests upon the foundation of Muhammed’s life examples, and he was a sadistic sociopath who made what Sandusky allegedly did look like a saint.
If Paterno must lose his job as head coach, and Sandusky loses everything and faces potential incarceration, shouldn’t Muhammed lose his status as a ‘holy prophet’. Or is there a double standard for Muslims?
~ The Infidel Alliance
We expect better from ourselves and we should.
Don’t be deliberately stupid – nothing makes Sandusky look like a saint. Personally I believe Islam to be a demonic death cult. But what happened 1400 years ago is irrelavent. This is current and is much bigger than JoePa or Sandusky. This is a cover-up spanning two decades and involving the willful participation of the entire power-broker network at Penn St. All of these people facilitated an evil monster of a man preying on children.
Actually, powerful Muslim men still do that kind of thing to this day. Only, they do it with prepubescent boys. Google muslim dancing boys. And, suicide bombers believe they not only get 72 virgins but also prepubescent boys. It is part of Islam today. “There is nothing new under the sun” I think Solomon said that.
Agreed, but it has nothing to do with Penn St., other than a common bond of depravity.
I agree. I was simply pointing out that this is not ancient history.
No, Sir….All JoePa had to do was look into the eyes of any one of those kids…No, I guess he didn’t get that opportunity, did he? OK….Look in the mirror then, Joe….Does that young, and juvenile human being who you were told was being subjected to the absolute worst type of human torture and dispicable degradation deserve to be rescued by the hand of a Powerful Samaritan? Especially one who needed only to pick up the same phone which had been used thousands of times to call recruits, recruiters and whomever….and simply push “9-1-1″?
Paterno was indeed at fault for not doing more. That said, I don’t think he should have been fired AFTER HE ALREADY TENDERED HIS RESIGNATION. Sure, if he hadn’t resigned, summary firing would have been appropriate. However, I think a man who has served the University well for 46 years deserved the opportunity to resign on his own terms after owning up to his dereliction of duty. The team is playing for a Rose Bowl title and has an outside shot at a BCS title; Coach Paterno should have been allowed to finish the season, per his resignation, rather than being fired.
Screw football; where’s your head at? Almost 100,000 families have kids at Penn State, virtually none of them in the football program. Several hundred thousand more families will either send or consider sending there children to Penn St.
Penn St is famous for football above all else; unfortunately the football program became a pedophile mill. I think the rest of the games should be canceled and Penn St. should voluntarily shut down the football program in order to give the proper message. Those who don’t know what that proper message is won’t understand an explanation.
“Penn St is famous for football above all else”
The engineering, mathematics, business and “hard” science departments might disagree…as would multiple national lists, rankings and whatnot…
And I’ve been half-heartedly waiting for these types of statements to come out…so the 125 young men who are playing their last home game tomorrow should be punished for something that happened when they were the star player for their middle school team?
The vast majority of Penn State’s (and all other college) athletes will never play their sport professionally. They’re good, but only a select few are good enough to go to the next level. So you want to shut down something that allows multiple people the chance to attend a first-rate school based on the sick actions of one man and the misguided moral failings of a few others?
Penn State football graduates at a 74% rate, consistently 10-15% higher than comparable D-1 programs. It would be a foolish, mean spirited knee jerk reaction to throw all of that away, especially when the players themselves are undeniably blameless…
This is not about the actions of one sick guy but about a system that covered it up in the name of money and winning football games. That system should be dismantled. It has nothing to do with punishing current players but those players realizing that some things simply do not go on, such as football games, during a tragedy. “OH, some kids were molested but what about my football career at the school” is not something that merits consideration.
Generally speaking, Penn St. is known to the country at large for it’s football. That is on TV every week and not its academic programs.
Jane Air – “but about a system that covered it up in the name of money and winning football games.”
And you can prove that? No, didnt think so. I love how you have already convicted everyone even though no one has been on trial yet (and many have no charges against them). As big of a tragedy as the revelation of the charges was, the actual incidents happened YEARS ago (up to 13 years). All you wish to do is “punish” people who are associated with your object of “moral outrage”. To continue playing the Football games is not going to somehow prevent the prosecution of those accused nor is stopping the game going to somehow bring closure to the children. To stop the game/season would just penalize many people who had nothing to do with the tragedy.
If all you know about Penn State is Football, then you are not very well informed (and I doubt you are well informed on the Football aspect either).
That ship flew when a young boy was denuded of his innocence by some old crazy guy that the college football system at Penn St., a system of mindless worship for a frickin’ GAME, enabled. Your remarks speak to this misplaced sense of priorities in putting the affairs of the current football team ahead of the message closing down that program would give to almost 100,000 student. That’s where your head is at.
My head is saying show some mercy to the contrite and some loyalty to someone who has faithfully served you for decades. Paterno owned up to his failure and tendered his resignation; he should have been allowed to finish the season for the sake of finishing what he started.
Paterno never “served the university” a day in his life, sir; you have the servant/servee relationship entirely backwards.
But nothing about this story really shocks. Paterno, his fellow coaches, and college-sports fans across the country have always been FINE with generations of academic corruption and criminal activity in campuses across the nation. At last, we’ve found something that repels even most of them … But not all. Good Lord, not all. As men like this put it, “what’s a little pederasty when athletes–people who actually MATTER–have games to play?” I so wish that such sentiments still surprised me.
The Sandusky Blitz ice cream flavor sold in the university run creamery suggests that people outside the athletic department might have considered it a bit of an inside joke. That’s certainly one explanation for the a banana flavored ice cream with chocolate covered peanuts carrying the name of someone who’d been retired for a decade.
Interesting link, appears all the locals in Penn State territory had the opportunity to know what was going on in March. Maybe 10 year olds don’t draw much water in Pennsylvania.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_penn_sta.html
This has so much potential to get so much worse. Read the Grand Jury report, most of the rapes occurred at Penn State or at the hotel the team stayed at before home games. Repeated rapes of multiple boys (8 in the report) over a decade and a half. Word is many more have come forward on the tip line.
Now, here’s the scary part. Sandusky set up his charity, which gave him access to young boys, in 1977. There could be hundreds of victims over the last 34 years. Does anyone think he set up the charity for disadvantaged boys then 20 years later decided to start raping children?
The DA who did not pursue this case is culpable–he has disappeared
The RC Church now is the safest place for kids
–the RC problem was pederasty, gay priests molesting teenage boys in 95% of the cases.
The RCs got hit because
1/ They have assets that lawyers can benefit from
2/ They kept good records
3/ Gays and atheists saw an opportunity to attack the RC Church
4/ The RC Church had allowed non celebrate homosexuals to be ordained
5/ The RC hierarchy was willfully blind–an outrageous state of affairs
–that era is over.
The current status–
The US teachers union blocks the prosecution of pederasts and pedophiles
Other denomination- Christian- Jewish- Muslim- Buddhist-Hindu etc – do not keep centralized records
– but the FBI believes that molestation is as prevalent in those sects as prevalent -or much more prevalent- than it ever was in the RC Church.
Again–the RC Church problem was pederasty with teenage boys–mainly in the 60s and early 70s
They have put a stop to that filth
–other denominations and institutions should follow the RC lead in this matter
As to the Penn State case–the DA had the evidence and he did nothing–then he disappeared –very strange
In the old days people believed that there was evil — now that is not PC
And you believe in the Tooth Fairy.
Let’s see here: We have the NAMBLA which glorifies man-boy sex. A few years ago when a boy was raped and murdered by men loosely affiliated with this organization, the left went into full-court defense of the legitimacy of this group. We were told that they represented evolved men. We were told we were neanderthals for not understanding this lifestyle. I thought the gay lifestyle was a protected group?? I put you all on the stand because I hold all of you ressponsible: What if Joe Pa had gone forward to the police and it was found to be a false accusation by a disgruntled grad student. Imagine the lawsuits filed on behalf of the coach by the left…..
Sure this is very bad, but the left (and you on the right) cannot have it both ways. Gay sex between men and boys is either bad or not bad. So if its bad then why do we Americans allow NABMLA to exist?
And all of you acting so sanctimonious stop your trippin’. If you want a more moral America then why do you put up with gay sex, abortion, murders being given light sentences, rapists being let out of prison early, pedophiles allowed to walk by judges, states against Megan’s law, the killing of babies by women for whatever reason and found innocent of murder, San Fran and its open gay lifestyle that Zombie has exposed, and on and on.
This selective indignation by the left and now some on the right has got to stop. It is getting tedious.
Can any of you can lay claim to having done a .10 of what Joe Pa has done for young men? If not then be quiet.
Don’t forget that the President of the United States of America, our very own Obama, is so far out of the loop that he appointed a gay propagandist, Kevin Jennings, to be, get this, the “Safe and Drug-Free Schools” Czar.
I mean, can you believe it? If Jennings is so SAFE, let’s see the reception he gets giving a speech at Penn St. right now, today. A REAL SAFE Czar of such a thing would have no problem giving such a speech right now, today but Jennings would not dare to go withing 300 miles of Penn St. right now.
What does that tell you about Obama, liberals, and the Democratic Party? That a gay man who advocates increased knowledge among heterosexual children about gays, a Federal official, could not show his face in Happy Valley.
Give a speech in Happy Valley Mr. Jennings. Tell us all about how gays aren’t safe from straight folks and see the effects of how safe children are from gays. As usual, liberals have it backwards since, for every hate crime against a gay, there seem to be several instances of child molestation by men.
What we need is a “Keep America Safe From Obama and Jennings” Czar.
I was censored here yesterday for mentioning the Scott Lively book The Pink Swastika that deals with this issue. Butch homosexuals hate femme homosexual’s.
They want young boys. Muslim homosexual’s want prepubescent boys and Muslims don’t consider this homosexuality. People need to ralize how serious this problem really is.
Victor,
I agree that most of the Catholic Church’s pederast priests were gay. If the church wasn’t so backwards and irrational and UNGODLY, they would allow priests to marry. No sane heterosexual person would be a priest — a lifetime of celibacy is UNNATURAL. Many homosexual Catholics who feel guilty about their homosexual thoughts seek to become priests, thinking God will remove their compulsion towards homosexual sex if they give their life to Him. Almost can never be done.
Yeah, and to my eye, the troubling thing in this article is that, the author uses the occasion to finally devolve upon a fructifying wholeness as having now overtaken that Church’s leadership, to which I say: “Boy, Howdy, how do we get that same change upon sex criminals, more generally?”.
But, in my experience, the sex criminal type is the most clever, imaginable—making thorough use of his knowledge of normality to ingratiate himself and otherwise maintain his position and evil habit, . . .
And in doing so, on things of a topic requisite of the purest sunlight, J. Christian Adams casts another shadow, . . .
Are you aware that celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand) in 1079? (The Roman Catholic Church never changes?)
Because it is not and never was a point of doctrine for priests to be celibate. It was simply a decision to ordain only those who take vows of celibacy. Pope Benedict could revoke that decree tomorrow if he wanted to, because it is a policy decision, not a point of doctrine.
Doctrine? No. Canon? Yes.
Priestly celibacy is rooted in Pauline letters and Tradition of the Roman Catholic Church and to state that the Holy Father would change it is unlikely to say the least. And most importantly, the decision by religous is a gift to the service of both God and their fellow men. There are many sites that give a fuller history by learned canonists and doctors of the Church. Much better than wikipedia too my friend.
a lifetime of celibacy is UNNATURAL
Quick, someone tell Jesus Christ.
Jesus was a man? I thought he was a deity, the son of God. Would that also make me a deity? I’m a man. What I can’t figure out is if incest is against Catholic doctrine and the Church is the manifestation of God here on this puny rock how did the human race procreate? Did Cain have relations with Eve? Isn’t that against the doctrine of the manifestation of God here on Earth?
Catholics have too many contradictions in their storybook. But, I digress. Jerry Sandusky is a sick, twisted person. Upon conviction, put him in general population. No doubt, he’ll meet a deserving end. No mercy for that disgusting excuse for a human.
Brother Marco:
See below from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
1579 All the ordained ministers of the Latin Church, with the exception of permanent deacons, are normally chosen from among men of faith who live a celibate life and who intend to remain celibate “for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.” 70 Called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord and to “the affairs of the Lord,” 71 they give themselves entirely to God and to men. Celibacy is a sign of this new life to the service of which the Church’s minister is consecrated; accepted with a joyous heart celibacy radiantly proclaims the Reign of God. 72
There is nothing more beautiful and holy than consecration to Christ as a religious. It is hardly un-natural. But, it does take the right person with the proper discernment on their part.
There are currently over 700,000 registered sex offenders in the United States [only a small percentage of actual sex offenders are ever caught because they are family members who are never formally accused]. The department of justice estimated in 2000 that there were as many as 500,000 pedophiles in the United States and that in 2000 1.3 million children had been sexually assaulted (that’s in one year alone.)
The largest demographic group (in total number and as a % of the population) is married men who molested members of their own family.
The total number of priest accused of sexual misconduct (of all types) from 1950-2002 was 4,392. The police investigated 1,021 of those cases. 384 led to criminal charges and 252 led to convictions.
As far as I’m concerned any priest accused of this gross betrayal of trust should be investigated and if found guilty spend the rest of his life in jail.
But on the one hand we have 500,000 pedofiles commiting 1.3 million molestations a year on the other hand we have 4,392 priests accussed over fifty years.
So what can we conclude about Catholicism based on these numbers?
Absolutely nothing.
Married RC priests–but not Bishops may be a good idea–same as the Eastern Orthodox tradition
The main point is that 95 to 98 % of RC priest abuse was pederast gay priests assaulting adolescent boys.
Being married does not prevent pederasty–witness the Penn State case–he was married
–though it may disguise the perpetrator
Call it evil or filth
–same outcome–no tolerance
The RC Church is determined to rid itself of this filth
Calling celibacy unnatural is heresy and a denial of Scripture. St. Paul had no wife during his entire ministry (it is unknown whether he was a widower or if he had never married), and he was also a great advocate of celibacy, wishing all were capable of forsaking marriage for the higher calling of celibacy, while at the same time encouraging marriage for those lacking such a gift. Calling marriage evil is heresy; calling celibacy unnatural is also heresy. Why? Because it slanders the apostles and prophets, and calls evil what Jesus called good.
Furthermore, it is scandalous. By calling celibacy unnatural, you seek to press into marriage those who do not currently wish to marry, even when they are living chastely. By calling their celibacy unnatural, you undermine their chastity and tempt them to fornicate, to enter into a marriage they aren’t prepared for, or to despair for no good reason. It is one thing to cry out out of loneliness and a genuine desire to marry; it is quite another to cry out because other people expect you to get married when you are content to be single and chaste. This, of course, only pertains to those who are living chastely. Those fornicating with a single partner ought to marry immediately, and those who fornicate promiscuously must cease and desist!
let us bring in some clear politics in this. Penn state was allowed to violate these victims because our society due to PC, and our leaders desire for power and $ crush those that would be upright and correct.
The victims should sue the Univ. into the stone age. We all know no real penalty will be handed down to the perps. Barney Frank ( Boys town) Kennedy, ( walk away) etc. etc.
Thank all the PC people you know. This is what happens when we care more for power and $ than morality.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – unknown
A so-called ‘man’ actually witnessed the crime…and went home to call daddy? A child rapist was allowed to continue to breathe free air despite the direct knowledge of his peers and superiors, many of whom are held as ‘moral exemplars’? And there are those out there who wish to claim that 60 years of service should mitigate this horrific moral lapse?
No sale. Any ‘person’ who does that to a child is less than human to me – as is anyone who can witness such a thing, or have credible knowledge of such and do nothing. Every single ‘person’ at that school who had knowledge of not only the rape in ’02, but the events in ’98 as well need to lose their jobs, if not their freedom if any applicable laws still apply. Every. Single. One.
My sentiments exactly.
“And there are those out there who wish to claim that 60 years of service should mitigate this horrific moral lapse?”
And what moral lapse did Joe Pa commit? Did he not tell his superiors? Geez what is in you guys? Imagine the outrage by you and the left had Coach Pa gone right to the police with NO evidence other than heresay.. Where were you when Clinton raped two women??? If you want moral clarity then it cannot be selective. And how about Barney Frank?
If you are so incensed about pedophiles then how about busting the chops of the judges who continually let them out of prison early or never imprison them at all. Much to the delight of the left.
And where is the indignation over the prep himself? Where is the call for his head? Notice that all the attention is zeroed on Joe Pa…why is that? Why has the left put him in the cross hairs? How come we don’t see stories of all the pedophiles roaming the streets–many with no strictures about where they live… Oh yea they are one of the left’s protected groups.. So much for a balanced approach to crime by the LSM.
The left apparently has you and others like you all twisted up. Great.
Right. “He reported it to his superiors, what else was he supposed to do?” are this stories’ version of “We were just following orders!”
You and those who continue to attempt to defend the indefensible by saying that when presented with a direct, credible account (not HEARSAY, as that is a determination only within a courtroom!) of a FELONY, everyone who heard this did the right thing by not contacting the REAL police (NOT the campus police!) IMMEDIATELY? You then wish to attempt to excuse such behavior because they were all such good, solid, upstanding men who gave so much to the community? And you further wish to attempt to defend them by using adhominem attacks and strawman deflections?
Again, no sale. There was EXACTLY ONE course of good, solid, upstanding action to be taken here – and NO ONE took it. Any good, sold, upstanding CONSERVATIVE would not have to think twice about it. I’m done with those pitiful excuses for men. I’m done with you as well.
Dude, get off the high horse. “when presented with a direct, credible account (not HEARSAY…” Huh? A grad student told him. Direct means Joe Pa saw the incident himself which he did not. Credible is when a woman comes forward like Paula Jones or Juanita Broderick about Clinton and nothing happens.
“You then wish to attempt to excuse such behavior because they were all such good, solid, upstanding men who gave so much to the community?”
You just negated any argument about this with this slander.
“And you further wish to attempt to defend them by using adhominem attacks and strawman deflections?”
Nice try to use big words and cliches.
News reports of the Penn State rioters caught my eye because the rioters seemed to exhibit some Sandusky (news truck overturning) moments of their own; the use of violence and force to demonstrate their deepest inner wants and desires.
In my humble opinion, the mollycoddled riotous student ringleaders’ addresses should be changed from their Penn State dorm rooms to a room at the state pen. Expelling these violent thugs masquerading as students is too good for them. If they had a hand in overturning the new truck, it’s bye bye baby.
The same sort of penalty I do not wish for Mr. Paterno. My guess is that I’ve spoken with more 80 plus year old people in the past six months than all the people here put together. Let me share. Brains get old. Awareness becomes limited. Assuming their healthy mentally and physically, a repetitious, familiar task (coaching, cooking, selling insurance) is about all this age group can be expected to do. I fully believe Paterno, his head full of x’s and o’s, wasn’t able to grasp the gravity of Sandusky’s acts. Don’t agree with me? Of course you don’t. But, do me a favor. Get back to me when you’re 85.
Let us guess that your contacts are with people in nursing homes BECAUSE of their reduced mental facilities? What of those not so confined?
Well, my child, there’s just a small problem with your math in trying to resurrect the Paterno legend: Paterno was in his 60′s when he, the PSU administration, and the Texas police knew about Sandusky’s pedophilia. When the McQueary (ironic name) sighting was reported to Paterno, he was in his 70′s. So, your “Paterno is just a doddering old fools with a chalkboard for a brain and the innocence of Chauncey the Gardener” just doesn’t pass the smell test. Paterno is like every dictator we’ve ever seen on this planet: holding onto power till the last breath.
It seems to be if and when the charges against Sandusky are proved, there is plenty of guilt to go around. The 28 year old grad student apparently did nothing to stop the abuse although he was about 6 feet tall and no lightweight. State law officials did nothing. Supposedly there were donors involved and they did nothing. I have read that one kid visited Sandusky at home many times. Surely he could have feigned illness if he didn’t want to go.
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