I'd say the American people ought to be counted in the winners, but I seriously doubt they make the cut.....

If it still comes down to Jeb vs Hillary, then it's like Alien Vs Predator: No matter who wins, we lose.

Hillary loses, America wins. Even the Democratic Party wins.

My first thought, too. A bit disappointed you and I were omitted from the list; even as an after thought or passing mention would have been nice.

The media is the biggest loser.
They have to treat Hillary like a credible candidate as long as she stays in. Regardless of public opinion.

No one wants a credible democrat more than they do. If they had one in mind, they would be staking out their house. Instead they are stuck defending the indefensible.

What the hell is a "credible democrat?"

A fantasy. ;-)

If this scandal really does hurt Jeb, Hilary will have done her first service for her country.

I am worried that these scandals -- especially the State Department e-mail issue, which is so transparently egregious -- are coming too early.

Hillary will probably succeed in getting the willfully low-information electorate to think of all of the scandals together in a haze, be they from a year and a half before the election or 20 years before. Her shrieks that "it's just evil sexist Republicans, it's old news, politics as usual, etc." might work.

But it's so much so fast. I get the concept and it makes sense to air out the bad laundry early so it's old news on election day... except it's just so bad and such a flood that it seems more like a coordinated effort to screw her campaign up. Hell, even the timing was like suffocating her campaign from day one.

I actually suspect most voters think Hillary is some kind of crook. She got crushed by a complete noob in 2008. The GOP would have been fine but for its hilarious nominee choices in 08 and 12.

yep. i live in one of the bluest of blue parts of the country and the people i meet either know nothing of her shenanigans (to put it nicely) or they think that they amount to nothing more than partisan attacks against her that only serve to endear her to them.

Wow, this is one of the scariest posts I've seen. Honestly. An easterner (upstate NY, our version of flyover country) it's difficult to believe some folks still see the Clintons as victims. Folks here who chose the likes of the Clintons, Cuomos, Skeloses (a state legislator), et al, do it willingly, knowing full well how corrupt they are. It never occurred to me that others may not know or believe just how bad they actually are. A lesson for me that the monopoly power of the MSM is not overstated.

What I fail to understand is why no one is pointing out the obvious ethical consideration.

Both Bill and Hillary are lawyers. The foremost ethical canon is "To avoid even the appearance of impropriety." Every One L learns that ethical consideration. It is cited in almost every attorney disciplinary order.

Simply put, "if it could even look hinky, don't do it."

Bill and Hillary were educated at the "best" law schools in the country. Did they fail to take legal ethics 101?

They are no longer lawyers. As if ethics was ever a consideration.

The Clintons win, American Stupid Voters lose.

After having lived through the daily Bill Clinton scandals, and the current dozens of Obama scandals, can we really stand living though new scandals in a Hillary administration. Already we have more Hillary scandals. 4 years of Hillary (if she lasted so long) could easily bring 1500 more scandals. Easily. Entire newspapers could be filled with pages of them. Impeachment is inevitable and she won't have the immunity of race to protect her. With a minority running mate, impeachment and removable would even be considered a positive among liberals under such a scenario. But why would we want to put this country through such torture just to break a glass ceiling for HER? Under a Hillary presidency, the choice of Atty General will be key.

"she won't have the immunity of race to protect her"
She will just change the cry from racism to sexism, and the game will be played exactly the same as Obama played it.

I admire your confidence in the ability to protect ourselves from the likes of a Hillary sitting n the oval office. I lack it. We've failed the preliminaries repeatedly for six years.

In other bad news for Hillary, the "glass ceiling" has been long shattered. There are dozens and dozens of far more accomplished women who are far, far better people out there than Hillary Clinton ever was or ever will be. Above all else, the Clintons are just disgraceful people.

Goniffs, chislers--both of them, but we had always known that.