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More Men in Prime Working Years are Without Jobs…

February 6th, 2014 - 10:38 am

CNBC.com: More men in their prime working years lack jobs, says WSJ:

A large number of men who are still in their prime working years find themselves without jobs for extended periods, despite an improving economy, according to a piece in The Wall Street Journal.

The trend has been building for decades. The percentage of unemployed men 25 to 54 more than doubled between the early 1970s and 2007, from 6 percent to 13 percent, before jumping to 20 percent in the depths of the recession in 2009, according to the article.

The WSJ article is here.

I think the key piece of the CNBC article is here:

As of December 2013, 17 percent of men are not working. Of that group, about two-thirds are not looking for work, which excludes them from the government’s official unemployment numbers.

My guess is that many of those men are working, just not on the books or many have decided to collect SSI disability instead of working or as a supplement to off the book work.

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I don't have a subscription to the WSJ so I didn't see their article, but in the CNBC article they didn't note what jumps out at me from at the data; the really big shift has come from unmarried men, especially older unmarried men. I would guess that most of these older non earning men are divorced, but from what I can tell the divorce seems to precede the drop in earnings, not the other way around (although I'm sure there is some of both).

A marriage based society creates strong incentives for men to work hard and earn, no matter how difficult the economy is. Women delaying marriage and the assault on husbands and fathers has reduced the power of this incentive, and sooner or later someone in the media is bound to notice the obvious; we were counting on men continuing to earn as if we still had a traditional marriage based society, and that is simply not happening. The implications to our tax base will be staggering.
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Prime working years? Grad and Post-Grad can easily mean over-qualified for what crumbs are out there.
Our service economy utilizes far more female labor, just as China's manufacturing economy does. (I've often wondered what the corporate game-plan is on that one.)
Also - of course the recovery is a sham. With each new fiscal year, we add several more millions of indebted young people to the pile, all looking...for just about anything.
But the prime stage should sound big alarm bells. These are the years when most men do the most significant things in their lives....marry, raise families, (consume!) engage in the public sphere, and altogether contribute meaningfully to society.
(Could it be that this isn't quite so necessary anymore? And who is it, calling that shot?)
By the way - almost finished Men on Strike. Good read. Needs to be about 6 more volumes, and a dozen times more in-depth. But it sure provides excellent food for thought.
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"My guess is that many of those men are working, just not on the books or many have decided to collect SSI disability instead of working or as a supplement to off the book work."

I suspect the level of fraud and tax evasion is about to grow geometrically. After all, the administration says Obamacare will lead to an increase in entrepreneurship. Read Theodore Dalrymple's essay on "The Uses of Corruption." http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_3_oh_to_be.html
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It's not a question of being a marriage based society, because the marriage contract is exploitative of and the court system is discriminatory against men. It's a question of being a responsible society, holding men and women equally accountable.

Of course there is no economic recovery, nor will there be any time soon, because the manufacturing jobs have been sent overseas. All through the 20th century and the Cold War, America developed a strong middle class, with the highest paid workers in the world. That all changed during the first Bush administration, when the establishment Rebublicans sold their souls to multi-national corporations and shipped well-paying jobs out of the country, where the corporate fat cats could exploit cheap labor, lax regulations and lower taxes. The same establishment Republications, along with their Democratic chohorts, are now arguing for immigration reform to a allow an influx of cheap labor at the expense of the American worker.

What is a man supposed to do these days? If you don't have a job, you don't have any money because you don't have any income, so where are you supposed to go to find a job and how are you going to afford the move?

As far as marriage goes, what woman wants to marry an unemployed man? What woman wants to support a slacker? The men who are employed, while few and far between, are easy pickings for women these days, because the marriage contract guarantees them 50% of their income and assets, and half of marriages don't last five years. The marriage contract also guarantees women child support for children that are not her husband's--that would be 20% of every paycheck for 18 years per child.

So the jobs have left, marriage is a loser's game, and the politicians are screwing the people for campaign donations from corporations. And men are to blame for this?

Yeah, they are. They stupidly allowed it to happen. But then so did women.

You want to change this dire situation? Lower taxes and regulations, build a growing economy that creates jobs, and change the marriage contract. Absent that, nothing will change, rather it will only get worse.

Most me just want a job so they can provide for their family. He doesn't need to be married in order to do that, especially when the contract is basically and essentially a license for a woman to betrray, abandon and bankrupt him. Forget about the children, they're all latch-key kids anyway.

And don't even start with the education system.
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>>>A large number of men who are still in their prime working years find themselves without jobs for extended periods, despite an improving economy, according to a piece in The Wall Street Journal.<<<

The article is premised on a falsehood. There is no economic recovery, and more and more those who have been cast out of the economy are permanently on the outside looking in. This is not an accidental byproduct of the economic decisions made. It is a planned feature and not a bug. I believe another blogger you know said something to the effect that they will make us all beggars, because they are easier to please. I would add "and control".

Subotai Bahadur
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I don't have a subscription to the WSJ so I didn't see their article, but in the CNBC article they didn't note what jumps out at me from at the data; the really big shift has come from unmarried men, especially older unmarried men. I would guess that most of these older non earning men are divorced, but from what I can tell the divorce seems to precede the drop in earnings, not the other way around (although I'm sure there is some of both).

A marriage based society creates strong incentives for men to work hard and earn, no matter how difficult the economy is. Women delaying marriage and the assault on husbands and fathers has reduced the power of this incentive, and sooner or later someone in the media is bound to notice the obvious; we were counting on men continuing to earn as if we still had a traditional marriage based society, and that is simply not happening. The implications to our tax base will be staggering.
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Part of that might just be that men who never had families can afford to retire early. I never married, and barring some economic catastrophe I'm planning to retire at 52 or so.
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