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September 16th, 2013 - 9:55 am

I talk with Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary – about “Men on Strike.”

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Xtians like Mohler are both totally demented and worse than useless for the simple reason they *worship* the state execution of a dissident bachelor, and they can't wait for it to happen again!

In his 1967 book "The Male Myth", Hendrik M. Ruitenbeek said "Contemporary America seems to have no room for the mature bachelor". I really don't see the baptists or any other xtians (or anyone else for that matter) doing anything to address that. The more things don't change, the more they stay the same.
48 weeks ago
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This concept that men don't "grow up" until they marry makes me want to bark at the moon. Try telling young soldiers on the battlefield, or young firemen running into a burning building they haven't "grown up" until they marry. Try telling it to men who have built a really productive life for themselves against tall odds.

It's not even a Biblical teaching. It's just pandering to the female imperative. And that's why the Church (and Western Society in general) is crumbling. Enslavement to the female imperative.
49 weeks ago
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I always thought that "grown up" means that you are fighting your own battles out in the world and equipped to earn your own money and not turn to someone else.

By that standard, most housewives have not grown up. They have latched onto some man who fights their real life battles and earns all of the real life money. The very concept of alimony shows that many women in marriages are not grown up - by any conceivable notion.

But, as usual, "women don't count" when people throw around insults to men.
49 weeks ago
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I have listened intently and thoughtfully to many sermons and have come to the conclusion that Western Christian churches are a bastion of feminism. They seem to have this overarching theme that men are completely in control and if they only do this and that, then women will obediently follow. If anything goes wrong, then it is the man's fault and if he only does something else, and the other thing, in complete humility then it will eventually be solved. If not, there is always the "blessed are the persecuted", and "turn the other cheek", to fall back on....and never forget how it's all about the widows and orphans.
49 weeks ago
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You are so correct ray. The churches routinely approve divorce and remarriage, contrary to scripture. Today, Pope Francis approved homosexuality. The "Christian Church" is religion lite. Once a crisis hits America, our women will turn to a religion that fosters Alpha men: Islam.
America was never a Christian nation. It's a disgusting democracy. We need a manly facist leader like Francisco Franco. No more faggy milk toasts like George Bush and Obama.

American men must close their hearts to pity and claim what is rightfully theirs. We have been stripped of our jobs and our families. We have nothing to lose but our lives. Rise and slaughter democracy. America means divorce, abortion and.fags.
48 weeks ago
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Fascism doesn't sound appealing to me. In many ways it is what we currently have, except perhaps that we have rule by committees of dictators rather than an individual. I think less government power over individuals and rigging of outcomes is better.
48 weeks ago
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Yeah I agree. I am not a believer but I do appreciate the value of sound moral teachings & spiritual accountability in society. Unfortunately the Church has given themselves fully to rebellion & solipsism on this issue. As you may know the Christian blogger "Dalrock" writes a wonderful blog on this issue.
49 weeks ago
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Thanks. I'll go check that out.
49 weeks ago
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It was a good interview and I'm grateful to Dr. Mohler and others to consider another point of view. He should see though, that the problem with 'marriage' isn't so much marriage itself, but rather what the state has done to it. He should see that no matter how much a man is willing to "grow up" and get married, that government sponsored marriage takes all control out of the man's hands to 'do the right thing' in Dr. Mohler's mind. He should pay attention to facts, and realize that most marriages are ended by women, and it isn't because men have become somehow evil or unbearable...it is because women are doing a cost/benefit analysis themselves and government sponsored marriage laws have thrown the benefit towards them divorcing their husbands, no matter how faithful and sincere they have been. I have to wonder why the Southern Baptists, like other churches, continue to support the 'bait and switch' between holy matrimony and government sponsored marriage by continuing to act as agents of the government. They, of all churches, should understand how the government can take something good and corrupt it beyond acceptability, as in state sponsored education. Just as they encourage their congregation to forgo government schools, they should encourage them to forgo government marriage, and refuse to play any role in that farce.
49 weeks ago
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Good conversation. You and Dr. Mohler seemed to get along quite well when discussing your book and the ideas you present in it. But in his commentary after your talk together, Dr. Mohler certainly built a wall around you and definitely separated you out as 'one of them not us'. He was complimentary of your ideas and writing but also as much as said you are a vile heathen. The difference between his treatment of you to your face and afterwards was almost shocking.
49 weeks ago
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That's not the way it read to me. I read Dr. Mohler's conclusion as being a rather frank admission that mainstream Christianity currently has no response to this challenge. (Heck, it it barely cognizant that the problem exists.) His own unsuccessful attempts to get an idea centered on traditional Scripture just wound up demonstrating that moral authoritarianism simply isn't going to work -- no amount of beating is going to improve morale, and Dr. Mohler seems to recognize this.
49 weeks ago
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Mohler conflates "getting married" and "having a family" with "growing up".

Men can "Grow up" without accepting a bad deal. We become self reliant, set goals that are attainable and rational, avoid situations where we completely lose agency, we avoid situations where other parties live to create conflict for profit and predatory paradoxes.

I'm thinking that growing up is looking at an irrational cultural obligation to subservience is not in our best interest, short or long term, and is not in the best interest of children we might make, and the rational decision is to avoid creating that kind of pain for ourselves and others.

Growing up is only a punishment if you let feminists and religious authoritarians define it as "stupidly entering a marriage contract knowing that the outcome doesn't depend on the value of your contribution, but the whim of the other party and the venom of the state that day.", or in short - being a willing vehicle for whatever the other party wants, for as long as they want it, and expecting zero reciprocity.

Growing up means rejecting bad deals, and knowing to reject activities that the social group does when they're not in your best interest. Really, if all of my friends jump off a bridge (sans bungee cords), the 'grown up' decision is to not allow peer pressure to compel you to act stupidly.

Of course, the merest whiff of a suggestion that women have any obligation to *any* reciprocity in a relationship, or complicity in it's breakdown, is met with the screeching harpies clamoring "rule of thumb", "barefoot and pregnant", "1 in 4" and other worn out chants, so the church no longer does that. Far easier to yell at men to "grow up" because women wants babies and security, but only on their terms.
49 weeks ago
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"avoid situations where we completely lose agency"

Which is pretty much EVERYTIME that a woman and the state is involved.

"we avoid situations where other parties live to create conflict for profit and predatory paradoxes."

Again, pretty much EVERYTIME that a woman, man, and, thus, the state are involved and the interaction consists of anything more than "yes, mam," "no, mam." or "three bags full mam."



49 weeks ago
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That's the thing... Once upon a time, growing up was a sort of transaction between the individual and society in which the individual, in return for accepting a certain amount of responsibility, had conferred to them a considerable degree of personal autonomy and a certain amount of authority. For men, post-modern society has inverted that; now "growing up" means surrendering of personal autonomy, and unless one is from an elite family or political tribe, there's definitely no authority to be had. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that most people who are offered that bargain reject it.
49 weeks ago
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All that being said, I'm happy to hear that it's on his radar. Maybe the complicity of his peers will dawn on him.

And yes, I agree with posts from others regarding the "rational theory" applied to women's decisions regarding men, family, divorce and children - we have an epidemic of single moms and excluded fathers because we pay for that result.

It's as bad as enabling drug addicts and alcoholics. The first step is to realize that you're contributing to the problem, and knock that cr@p off.
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