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The Young Aren’t Signing Up for Obamacare. So What if They Did?

February 18th, 2014 - 10:24 pm

For centuries, we’ve been trying to frame the reality of redistributionism in a language the liberal side can understand; nothing gets through. Maggie Thatcher did a bang-up job — “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money” — but even that elegant gem didn’t take. Can anything ever work? How much simpler can we make this?

Person A wants a good produced by Person B. If the price is too high, Person A cannot afford it. If the price is too low, Person B cannot continue to sell it. If either party is made whole to rectify an inefficient fixed price, that money has to come from a Party C. Person C runs out of money just like Person A or B would have. In a from-scratch socialist society, Party C never exists.

Redistribution has an unsolvable “No C(apital)” problem.

They say that the “bros” are not buying health insurance in numbers needed to sustain the project, and perhaps this can be fixed with marketing. We have consistently pointed out that the young will not purchase enough plans because on average the demographic gets cleaned out on the deal, but we haven’t forced the liberals to answer the bigger questions:

Why did Obamacare need the young? Why did it need a Party C to survive? If Party C is losing money on the deal — as they do by definition, otherwise they would be indistinguishable from Party A — they can’t be the source for long. So why did you proceed with a plan without addressing its built-in death sentence?

Seems too simplistic and past-tense, so the liberals glossed over the only questions that mattered again.

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The richest country in the world can get everyone health insurance.

Perhaps one of the longest ongoing non-sequiturs ever. This nation became the richest because of capitalism, where each individual is permitted the opportunity to pursue their own best interest.

The government's repeatedly tapping into that wealth has seriously curtailed its success. If you want less of something, tax it. The tax burden in this nation has grown steadily for 100 years and is only showing signs of getting much worse.

The mere notion that because people are wealthier here does not, in any way, provide an indicator for the justification of a centralized government healthcare program. It, in fact, is counter-intuitive to most people, given our education system, that because of the rise in overall incomes in this nation over 230+ years, that the FREE MARKET allowed for the inception of healthcare insurance, which was (originally) intended for the catastrophic things that most families couldn't afford should they happen but evolved into taking care of every hangnail and blemish that occurred.

If the GOVERNMENT had stayed out of it entirely, and allowed such things as interstate commerce for healthcare insurance providers, we wouldn't have been in a mess in the first place. Constant government manipulation caused the problem and government is now making it 100, 1,000 times worse.
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Because leftism is not liberalism.

Because hard leftism doesn't give a Tinker's Dam about those who are paying, it only cares about redistributing to those who are not.

Because trying to shame raging communists that their system "fixes" are hurting the free market is an exercise in futility.

Because they don't care about the "young" who will pay, or the old who will be "allowed to die", or the loss of jobs (funemployment, free agency and wonderful lifestyle "choices"). THEY DON'T CARE. They care about making hard leftist voters...by throwing open the borders, propping up the Workers Party and loading up "giveaways", entitlements and subsidies...as "redistribution".

The redistribution "taking" class is the ONLY aim of these programs. Creating co-dependency and crushing the free market. Capitalism is to be destroyed...so looking at the myriad ways that capitalism is being destroyed as if this was a bug, not a feature...simply is out of touch with the end game goal.

Sign up...don't sign up. They aren't going to quit attacking the free market. They are not going to start caring about yo' 401k or yo' daddy's or yo' granddaddy's. THEY DON'T CARE.

The laws are not meant to protect you...if you aren't in a suspect class. Sit down, shut up and pay your "reparations" for being born into the wrong class of persons.
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As an American who has lived abroad for the past 30 years in Australia I can see there is another built in problem. US healthcare was twice as expensive @16% of GDP as the OECD average going in, and the ACA itself caps any rise to 17.5% by 2017. While something around 8% of GDP produces closely equivalent health outcomes in OECD countries, failing to address the double cost of US healthcare cripples ACA before we get to the problem addressed in this post. The old premiums for the young and healthy were already way too high in world healthcare market terms. Asking them to subsidise the whole system evidently is doubling their premiums again. No it is not going to work.
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Even if some young people sign up, adverse selection means they are ill, not healthy.
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You may be an Obama supporter, but are you really willing to support others who will be given your tax money to pay for their health insurance? Your rates go up to support them and your annual deductible amount goes up, too. Obama is trying to delay this, but from then on FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE you will pay those higher rates and deductible costs. Since the Democrats all voted for it, they can’t be depended on to join the effort. It’s up to us to vote for Republicans to get enough people in office who want to repeal the law. This is for all government levels. Remember, it’s YOUR money so vote your pocketbook. This situation is hardly different from your taxes being assigned to support an illegal alien, and that will happen when Amnesty is the law. If you don’t believe that surprise is buried in Obamacare, see
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2012/october/11/health-care-immigrants.aspx Also, medical taxes go up in 2014. See http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-taxes.php Join with us to our mutual benefit in the Primary elections and in November 2014. After obamacare is repealed or defunded we can go back to our normal bickering.
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The object of Obamacare was to break the private insurance industry, ravage the health care system, and inflict as much pain as possible on the masses (which would be blamed on the insurance companies) so that said masses would be happy when the Democrats say: "Health care in America is broken so the government is going to take over."

Democrats were on record while Obamacare was being written saying that a single-payer system was the goal. They know they couldn't just force it through, so they had to go about it indirectly, thus Obamacare. What is really frightening about it is all the information gathering beyond health records that is done. With the behavior of the IRS and other agencies regarding political enemies of Obama, any guesses what will happen to Conservatives under a nationalized system?
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Odd, . . . so much talk about medical insurance and what-not, . . . but nothing concerning "Are there any guns in your home?", nothing concerning use of discretionary mandatory home visits, . . . in home visits, . . . inspections, . . . it may be that, the larger purpose is to gain access and ravage the families, . . .
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The ObamaScam advocates put too much emphasis upon how many suckers sign up for this scam. They don't pay attention to the number of suckers that actually pay up. There is a huge spread bewtween the signing suckers and the paying suckers. The dems don't care. If there's not enough bumfodder to pay, they just get Uncle Ben or Aunt Janet over to the Fed to just call it up. They just don't live in the real world. They never have lived in the rewal world. When is isn't some drug that addles their minds, it's just plain evil. They squalled about Obama's real Daddy appearing in that 'Bible' series, so they got him taken out of the movie. They know that the Devil exists. He's the skeleton in their closet.
27 weeks ago
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of course, they treat it as a messaging problem. It's the administration's version of "if all you have is a hammer.....". This movie has played before; anything that goes badly is blamed on messaging, as if a new suit makes Quasimodo into Cary Grant.

The whole thing was sold on a lie, on multiple lies actually, and each new day brings about a new problem. Young people paying attention already figured out that they're subsidizing their grandparents' Social Security and Medicare, and the model for O-care is not radically different.
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David;
You're pretty sharp for a young fella:-). I'm old, but I realize that young people are not, on the whole, stupid. if I was young, and I do remember that time, I was very healthy and self-reliant. Why in heavens name would I buy health insurance I do not need or want? Why buy it especially when I'm assured I can buy it when I need it? Or; why buy it and expose myself as undocumented alien (illegal for you lefties)?
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There are things that could be done to reduce the cost of health care. Repeal of prescription laws for one. Deregulation of health care for another. However all of these will effect the incomes of those involved in health care. Without the legal monopoly that prescription laws now provide granting doctors control over access to medical drugs, their income falls. Different tiers of medical providers also reduce the level of incomes for most. Most people could get along fine with a lower level of expensive technology in lower tier hospitals. So they would pay less for such medical services. This is how a true free market in health care operates by reducing the cost of health care. You have "choices".

The rest of the developed world has government control of health care. Those who provide medical services are not allowed to set their fees to the level that they would like to set them. However, there are "consequences" to doing this. While everyone gets access to primary care doctors, the picture changes if you need the services of a specialist. Then you encounter "rationing". The high level of satisfaction with these government controlled systems is due mainly to the fact that many people never have need for the sort of services that are rationed. So government controlled health care looks good if you never need "more" than what the system can deliver...

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it's more than money for health care professionals; it's power for the political class. Look at your second paragraph. When govt literally controls a person's life, that is a big hammer to wield.

The other thing left out of the discussion is lifestyles in the US vs. those overseas. You just don't read about other nations dealing with largely self-inflicted conditions - obesity, diabetes, stress-related issues, etc.
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If we can put a man on the moon, we can give everyone free health care.

But we CAN'T put a man on the moon. We have no more Saturn V rockets, and the men who built them are either infirm or dead. Heck, since retiring the Shuttle, we can't even put a man into low-Earth orbit!

Big government used to get big stuff done. Now even bigger government can't make a working website.
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This is interesting because "the young," from Gen-X on down, are supposed to be the ones paying for the Baby Boomer's Social Security. I know, because they've been whining about it since the 90s. So isn't this just another burden placed on their backs? One more reason to hate the government? Or do they concentrate on hating the Baby Boomers because Obama is Jesus?
27 weeks ago
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why is noticing that you are underwriting someone else's comfort whining?
27 weeks ago
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The automotive industry is well known for its unimpressive profitability. But automotive start-up Tesla Motors has guided for a whopping 25% gross profit margin in Q4. That easily trumps Ford's 15.5% gross profit margin and General Motors' 12%. Is Tesla overly optimistic?

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2014/02/17/tesla-motors-incs-automotive-gross-profit-margin-m/
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