Roque Nuevo:
Oh, goodie, you’re going to spank my metaphorical bottom until it’s metaphorically red? I can’t wait, becaue bragging about how smart you are and what you’re going to do to me is quite amusing.
No theocratic Christian states out there? Well, so much for your original comparison. Right?
Yeah, I think that’s what I said. Lemme check. Oh, yup, here it is. You asked me to name a theocratic Christian state in the past 200 years and I said there aren’t any. Then I said that the evil libruls and their progressive agenda were the cause of that. Boo theocracy, hooray Enlightenment! But let’s not forget who was launching crusades and having Inquisitions, shall we?
…does not add up to “national unity based on religion”. That’s because we have the First Amendment. Idiot.
If you can’t see that mandatory public-school Christian prayer, mandatory public-school teaching of Christian creationism, mandatory public-building displays of religious tracts, forbidding certain actions such as gay marriage and abortion because Christian activists think it is a violation of God’s word, is the establishment of Christianity as the official religion of the US government. If you’re doing it, you’re violating the First.
The ideas you call “nationalism” would fit just about every nation on earth. Therefore it’s meaningless for analysis.
Most people have a national identity of some kind. And being part of that national identity and supporting it is called “patriotism”. Nationalism is loving your country so much you become immune to what it does wrong and any problems it may have, and becoming hostile to anybody that dares to suggest otherwise.
Nationalism in this thread:
“If you cannot stomach it, sit back, shut up and stop interfering.”
“Siding with your country means supporting the troops and their mission, not looking for all the wrong you believe they have done…”
“Gotta love how reacharound refers to those who support their country in a time of war as “idiots.” ”
“ALL democrats hate America and wish for defeat. If you help I-SLAM defeat America, YOU will be among the 1st executed for un I SLAMIC activities.”
“pretty clear STILL that the Left will do anyting they can to paint our heroes and our leaders as losers, murderers, evil, etc”
“surge and Gates’s leadership, the “more troops/Rumsfeld” line is forgotten. This is the clearest evidence that these “critics”, while exercising their patriotic rights to criticize, are not being honest. Plainly, they’re anti American (or dupes of anti Americans) and just cast about for a plausible handle to create “dissidence” (which is also supremely patriotic, of course).”
“If you want to be anti American, fine. There are millions and millions of you in the world. But don’t try to fool people into thinking that you’re patriotic about it.”
“Socialist/Soros talking points spewed from dailykos like a degenerate moonbat.
Get the hell out of my country.”
George Orwell had a good qoute about this: “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”
Militarism”, again when discussing fascism, doesn’t mean having a strong military or even having the strongest military. It means glorifying the military ethic and it means militarizing society as a whole.
Well, then, let’s look it up.
Militarism is the “belief or desire of a government or people that a country should maintain a strong military capability and be prepared to use it aggressively to defend or promote national interests” [Source: Apple Dictionary, Version 1.0.2]. It has also been defined as “aggressiveness that involves the threat of using military force” Online die.net dictionary, as well as “Glorification of the ideals of a professional military class” and “Predominance of the armed forces in the administration or policy of the state” American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
Regarding autocracy, I corrected myself in the post you replied to.
Corporatism” does not mean “rule by great business enterprises” as you think. It means that society is divided into groups according to some standard (workers, businessmen, military, middle class) and these groups have representation at the national level, while individuals do not.
Yeah, that’s the definition of “corporatism”… in the 1920s. How about a modern look at it?
Contemporary popular (as opposed to social science) usage of the term is more pejorative, especially when used in the shorter form corporatism (corporativism usually implies only the Italian construct indicating public rather than private organizing), emphasizing the role of business corporations in government decision-making at the expense of the public. The power of business to affect government legislation through lobbying and other avenues of influence in order to promote their interests is usually seen as detrimental to those of the public. In this respect, corporatism may be characterized as an extreme form of regulatory capture, and is also termed corporatocracy, a form of plutocracy.
If you think you live under a totalitarian regime in America under Bush, you are seriously deluded. Where are the concentration camps? Where have people been rousted at three am and disappeared? Where are the songs and poems dedicated to the Great Leader?
No, I don’t think that, at least, not yet. However there are things that he has done, by executive order, that if Clinton has done a mere decade ago, would have had righties buying guns and stockpiling ammo and toilet paper at their local militia compound. The repeal of Posse Commitatus (sp?) is one, the use of unaccountable mercenaries against Americans is another. And that nifty executive order that allows him to free the assets of anybody that he and he alone determines is undermining Iraqi reconstruction is pretty nifty. And of course the secret “no fly” lists that now include political activists is an interesting development.
John Dean himself said we were in a “proto-fascist” state. God, I miss the old-school Republicans. I’d probably be one if they were still the party of Eisenhowser.
Interesting apology there. Quite a way to dig yourself out of pit of embarassment, just declare that your Mighty Sword of Facts is TOO POWERFUL for my “16-year-old” undeveloped crowd-following brain to deal with. So you graciously spare me any more mental torment or body blows to my ego.
Hmph. A Republican that knows when to quit. Fascinating.
