DEAR Mr. INDEPENDaNT, as promised:
I REPOST MY LAST MAIL TO YOU, WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWERS
Remember? Quotes and links, dear, quotes and links
(Marina, the rational you gave in your response as proof that the former USSR was a socialist country and not a communist country was simply in it’s name. Forgetting the absurdity of that position consider this; the official name of North Korea is the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. By your standard just because North Korea’s leadership says that their country is a democratic republic then it is. So I’ll ask you, do you think North Korea is a democratic republic? Of course not. By the same token the former USSR was not a socialist country.)
You would have been absolutely right, if it had been my ONLY argument. “Democratic” in a name doesn’t make you a real democrat. The best exapmle is the s.c. DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF THE USA, promoting marxist state-dictatorship.
(…Your final point concerning my information sources is also false. The justifications for my statements are not based on an article in the Wikipedia or a comedy show but are based on the writings of the two men who invented the modern concepts)
You mean Laurel and Hardy? You cannot be serious calling the concepts of Marx-n-Engels “modern”, can you? The monsters lived in the 19th (!!!!!!!!!!!) century. We live in the 21st, if you need to be reminded. “Back to the future”? Rather “Forwards to the past”. “Modern”. Don’t be ridiculous!
(If you’re interested in learning for yourself what these concepts refer to I suggest reading the Manifesto of the Communist Party. And if you do find an instance where Marx or Engels actually do define communism and socialism as you do, please state the page number of where that is on this website.)
You’re kidding me. Is the Manifesto the only thing you’ve read from your gurus? The monsters suffered from verbal diarrhea. The concepts are not from the Manifesto. They’re from “Die deutsche Ideologie” by Marx. Here’s the original text:
“Nun aber besteht eines der wesentlichsten Prinzipien des Kommunismus, wodurch er sich von jedem reaktionären Sozialismus unterscheidet, in der auf die Natur des Menschen begründeten empirischen Ansicht, daß die Unterschiede des Kopfes und der intellektuellen Fähigkeiten überhaupt keine Unterschiede des Magens und der physischen Bedürfnisse bedingen; daß mithin der falsche, auf unsre bestehenden Verhältnisse begründete Satz: »Jedem nach seinen Fähigkeiten«, sofern er sich auf den Genuß im engeren Sinne bezieht, umgewandelt werden muß in den Satz: Jedem nach Bedürfnis; daß, mit andern Worten, die Verschiedenheit in der Tätigkeit, in den Arbeiten, keine Ungleichheit, kein Vorrecht des Besitzes und Genusses begründet”.
http://www.zeno.org/Philosophie/M/Marx,+Karl/Die+deutsche+Ideologie
I’m sure you’re able to find the English text yourself. This is the foundation of both s.c. PRINCIPLES, that of COMMUNISM (“to everyone according to his needs”) and that of SOCIALISM (“to everyone according to his abilities”).
That is the main difference between Socialism and Communism, NOT A WORD ABOUT DEMOCRACY.
Now to DEMOCRACY. (You say: On your second point that the differences between communism and socialism are economic and not political, that is also false. In both instances the government controls the means of production, distribution, and finance. The only difference is the political mechanism that is used to achieve that. In the case of communism it’s a dictatorship and in the case of socialism it’s democracy.) REALLY? Did “The Manifesto” tell you that? Or was it Jon Stewart after all? Roseanne Barr? Maaaatt Daaaaamon? Whatever. Listen to one of your disgusting gurus:
“Aber die bloße Demokratie ist nicht fähig, soziale Übel zu heilen. Die demokratische Gleichheit ist eine Chimäre, der Kampf der Armen gegen die Reichen kann nicht auf dem Boden der Demokratie oder der Politik überhaupt ausgekämpft werden. Auch diese Stufe ist also nur ein Übergang, das letzte rein politische Mittel, das noch zu versuchen ist und aus dem sich sogleich ein neues Element, ein über alles politische Wesen hinausgehendes Prinzip entwickeln muß.
Dies Prinzip ist das des Sozialismus.” (F. ENGELS, Die Lage Englands).
http://www.zeno.org/Philosophie/M/Engels,+Friedrich/Die+Lage+Englands.
Find the English text yourself. What Engels says is the DEMOCRACY IS UNABLE TO CURE SOCIAL EVIL. “DEMOCRATIC EQUALITY IS A CHIMERA” The fight between the poor and the rich CANNOT be led on the platform of DEMOCRACY. The only way is to apply the principle of SOCIALISM. Tah-dah!
So, dear Mr. IndependAnt, you wanted quotes, I gave them to you. Now tit for tat.
I still wanna know where this bull…t about “communism is a dictatorship and socialism is a democracy” comes from. Quotes and links, please!
But be very, VERY carefull what you’re qouting. Remember, I can read it IN ORIGINAL and IN CONTEXT.
I will post and repost this entry untill you give me what I want, honey.
Bye.
