Once again, you are acting like typical know nothing piling on to Ben Stein’s dreaded, all vilifying Nazi link. That is why I threw that undebatable link between Christian anti-semitism and the Holocaust, which even the last two Popes acknowledged. in just to prick up your holy ears. Just remember, plenty of Christians, especially outside of Germany, were glad to lend the Nazis a hand. And the Church itself knew about the Holocaust too, but never told their flock or urged their people to join the fight against the Nazis by calling the war just, Because like a lot of people, they hated the Reds more and were indifferent to the Jews, as well as just cowardly. As far as the Reds go, well thank God they lost, most of them at least. Also, at least the Red Army and government was officially anti-anti-Semitic as well as killing off 80% of the Axis ground forces for us, the one good thing they did.
Hitler believed in God. So do all those Muslims we are supposed to be so scared of, like the ones in the Sudan who killed millions in their sharia’h uber alles war. Hitler believed God had endowed the German race with special powers and privileges to rule, with that same God endowing him as leader. Almost every tyrant King of old supposedly derived his power to rule from God and God supposedly blessed even Ivan the Terrible, Torquemada, Cotton Mathers, as well as various beys, caliphs and mullahs. While a Creator in 1776 was endowing us with equal rights in the Declaration of Independence, that same creator was blessing Dukes and Kings with arbritary powers, including the Parliamentary restrained George 111. God is a convenient sock puppet for all sorts of bad guys.
AS far as the ID movement, you have no hard Science. Your claims of persecution and rejection by the Scientific community and the NCSE does not sound like persecution to me, but justified. Trying to pitch this as some free speech issue is beneath contempt. Maybe if you came up with some hard science to back up your claims, you might be taken seriously. But there is no Scientific merit for your core thesis, that God created us all, cause that is the ID, right?. And to deny that there is religious overtones behind ID is a lie. ID is Creationism in a cheap lab coat. Ben Stein took pains to highlight the atheism of the Scientists he was mocking, as well as pitching the movie in pre-release screenings to church groups. If ID was about Science, not religion, why did that pseudo-intellectual hypocrite Ben Stein pitch his “movie” to religious people? Then there is the Discovery Institute, which is a conservative cultural war group with tons of links to religious groups but scant links to real Science and research. AS far as calling someone a pseudo-intellectual hypocrite, that is a mild insult and certainly subjective. But if Berlinsky and Stein want to get up and be some Jewish frontmen for a bunch of rubes and anti-intellectuals, then they earned that term. I’ve read a lot of stuff Ben Stein wrote and most of it is just right wing blather with some high falutin gloss to it.
As far as Berlinsky’s pandering quote:
“That is, after all, the *meaning* of a secular society”
-David Berlinski, an agnostic Jew.
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Thank god he, Ben Stein and I live in a secular country where our Jewish religion or lack of it doesn’t bar us from being a full citizen under the law. In case you were reading too many theocon blogs, the USA was always a secular country. So Berlinsky is blowing smoke. Otherwise, there would have been a state Church and religious tests for offices and privileges.
Listen, like I said, maybe will never find out
the real truth Scientifically. ID and other supernatural explanations have merit in a philosophical and theological way. But the only “proof” that crackpot ID whiners have come up with is that since it is too complicated, someone designed it. Well then, who designed the designer, as well as that designer? So take off your fools gold martyr crown and crawl back into your cave and whine to your fellow believers about how those godless Nazi/Red/homosexual Scientists are mocking you.
Meanwhile I’ll use nanotechnology to build the world’s smallest violin to play a sad song for you. Meanwhile even Tropic guy says that God started the whole mess at the big bang, so the natural devlopment of those organisms is part of the big plan, so those dreaded Evolutionary Biologists, not Darinwinist as you smear them, are just find out more details to God’s plan.
