Javelin: I don’t deny your argument has some merit on a Philiosphical level, trouble is that you can’t prove any of it Scientifically.
Perhaps you are not in the position to qualify the physical reality of biological or cosmological evidence. After all, the arguments of the Intelligent Design movement, if there is one, are not based on Scripture, but on the observed physical evidence. This is the first and highest denial by Darwinists.
The glaring truth of this can be found in the argument itself. If the ID proponents were actually attempting to explain the material world based on versus from the Bible, then no one would care.
Javelin: Evolutionary Science has progressed much father than the days of Darwin, so calling Evolutionary Biology Darwinism is like calling a modern Psychiatry Freudianism.
No its not. Your analogy isn’t even likely. Freud may be a bitterly debated body of thought, but neither opponent is being told to just shut up. Having the ID community just “shut up” is at the very core of the NCSE, despite any sophistry to the otherwise.
Javelin: If in the future someone digs up this ID, with his lab and blueprints, you might be on to something. Meanwhile, I will let the Scientists do their job.
Remember again please, this is about physically observable evidence. ID proponents have forwarded significant evidence for the inference of actual Design in nature. This point is not disputable by any means other than denial. Its hardly surprising then that denial is the path most chosen, as your words confirm.
Javelin: If the Scientists ran into your seminary or church and demanded you include Evolution theory in your cosmology, I would insult and abuse them the same way I insult and abuse pseudo-intellectual hypocrites like Ben Stein or Berlinski.
I certainly agree that “pseudo-intellectual hypocrite” is both abusive and insulting. The fact that you use it without any factual grounding would cause someone to think that you are nothing more than irrational, or an ass.
Javelin: Mr. Stein in his contemptible anti-intellectual way made a link between Evolutionary Theory and the Holocaust, I assert there is a much stronger and better documented link between Christian anti-Semitism…
Your welcome to your assertion, it has certainly been made before. (I wonder why that is?) Perhaps to be most convincing you could read Hitler’s stenographic Table Talk before you get started.
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In the early days of the German advance into Eastern Europe, before the possibility of Soviet retribution even entered their untroubled imagination, Nazi extermination squads would sweep through villages, and after forcing the villagers to dig their own graves, murder their victims with machine guns. On one such occasion, an SS officer watched languidly, his machine gun cradled, as an elderly and bearded Hasidic Jew laboriously dug what he knew to be his grave.
Standing up straight, he addressed his executioner. “God is watching what you are doing”, he said.
And then he was shot dead.
What Hitler did *not* believe, and what Stalin did *not* believe and what Mao did *not* believe and what the SS did *not* believe and what the Gestapo did *not* believe and what the commissars, functionaries, swaggering executioners, Nazi doctors, Communist Party theoreticians, intellectuals, Brown Shirts, Black Shirts, gauleiters, and a thousand party hacks did *not* believe was that God was watching what they were doing.
And as far as we can tell, very few of those carrying out the horrors of the twentieth century worried overmuch that God was watching what they were doing either.
That is, after all, the *meaning* of a secular society.
-David Berlinski, an agnostic Jew.
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And, what does this have to do with the recorded evidence of observed Design in biology and cosmology?
