unbelievable. you are one sorry individual
“The mayor of Detroit has committed crimes and presides over urban decay, illiteracy, underage pregnancies and births, drug use and commerce, and a host of sins. Is Detroit rounded up and penned in a foster collective run by the State of Michigan, even as socialized as it is?”
This is a most assinine analogy. You cannot be serious. That is like saying Pres. Clinton – as President should be held liable for the 86,000 rapes of women per year in the US. However, the president, like the mayor preside over the wellbeing of their respected areas of influence which has certain laws to provent those within these areas from comminting crimes. thus, statutory rape laws, drug dealing and possession laws and others. Upon finding that subjects within these areas are have alleged to commit crimes they must stand before a judge and jury.
Warren Jeffs surrounds his community with walls, closes his “subjects” off from the rest of the world proclaiming himself perveyor of all those within said walls. He then institutes his laws.His laws are counter to the laws of the land in which his little walled property resides.What is different between his fiefdom and your own home is this: He can promote pedophilia with impunity whereas you cannot. Even though it is YOUR home, if you are found to be abusing a minor you WILL be held to be breaking one of President Bushes, and more locally, The mayor of detroits laws. The difference, you moron, is you will go to prison if found guilty and an idiot inside Warren Jeffs alternate world you get to go to heaven at the expense of the abused.
If that isn’t clear for you, then you are simply ignorant.
“By that logic, which presumes the guilt of folks just because of who they associate with, any criminal mayor of any major city would be the gangsta of the urban community.”
First of all if a mayor is found guilty in a court of law to be a criminal he is punished. Truly what planet are you residing? Pedophile Jeffs, found guilty of crimes, sits his prophet behind in jail.
“The preaching of which, include [sic] the marrying off of underage girls to adult men without their consent.”
An assertion that shy of a conviction of every last male who sired every one of those 400+ children, leaves intact the latter’s freedoms under the constitution. Which may explain CPS not seeking warrants to prosecute urban America.
Again, when one breaks a law, when one is found to break a law, when one has had the benefit of due process and has been found to be guilty one goes to jail. if not – he is free to go and collect $200.Are there criminals in urban america that end up in jail when caught and convicted? Every man from the YFZ compound will have his day in court as is his right. DNA testing will provide the courts with needed information to verify or not who a child belongs to (both father & mother) and the age of the mother of said child when child was conceived. Either she will be have been determined to be of legal age to be impregnated or she won’t. Men in every city of our country face the same criminal charges of statutory rape if convicted of sex with a minor. Are you suggesting by this pointless line of questioning that this is NOT the case? That there are not men rotting in jail for this very crime?
“Where are those rights enumerated? I ask not because I disagree but to test the obvious limits of your knowledge, again, of rights.”
They are called “statuatory rape laws.” LAWS protect us when our rights or freedoms are taken from us. When a child’s virginity is taken away you take away that child’s right as a human being to grow up and choose his or her own mate. Gee, could that be reason enough for such a law to protect such a right? Parse away all you want please and go even further, challenge that children do not have rights within our judicial system.
“At any rate, our courts have clear and evidently cavalier attitudes toward my rights and the rights of my fellow Americans.”
Oh? And with respect to this particular case how do you see that you would be violated of YOUR rights? The right to _____ <–fill in the blank Laughable.
“By the evidence in this case and by the simple majority weight of moralists such as yourself, all too ready to convict by opinion and majority and let God sort it all out. Are you even familiar with the Bill of Rights?”
I am familiar with child rape laws. Are you? All too ready to convict? Not quite yet. We should wait for all the evidence to come in, that IS their right.
…child rape and breeding…
“You keep beating that same drum, don’t you, louder every time. You really don’t see how that only amplifies the fallacy of your shoot first, ask questions later.”
Apparently this bothers you. I wonder why. This is why 400+ children were taken from that compound if you hadn’t been listening. Evidence of child brides & forced marriages, from former residents within the compound, the arrest and conviction of the compound’s leader in aiding the rape of a 14 year old girl in one of his cult’s “spiritual marriages” I’d say that there was more than mere opinion to suggest that other children might very well be endangered. Take into account that this has been known by law enforcement for some time but had its hands tied to the religious freedom accept. If anything you should be outraged that this group could possibly get away with something you’d rot in jail for doing, as an ordinary citizen. Your thinking is so terribly flawed and confused.
“And if I were to state that much of America was presided over by lawbreaking cheats and villains?” Haha no kidding, and this somehow makes it right for even one person to go free from commiting a crime? Because “Daddy got away with it? Sorry but the thought of a society completely lawless just because of a few cheats and villians at the top (which btw every citizen should rise up against). I have a little more faith that my fellow man and woman will in the end do what is right and just for children on up to grannies and grandpas.
…we have created the mess that these kids and women now find themselves in.
“Spectacularly ironic, considering how you have zero sense of just how tyrannical the State has become when it comes to personal, family rights.”
Ah now we get to the crux of your discontent. Let me guess. Divorced dad being made to pay child support.
“What’s clear is the interesting rhetoric you need to select in order to frame your oddly irrational argument. What’s agreed is that you are now actually inventing conditions so as to support your irrational premise. You’re simply wrong: Government may not tear up an entire community of hundreds of families on false accusation and the suspicion of the possible wrongs of a small minority.”
Clearly, very clearly, you are wrong yet again. Due to the cluster-fck of lies and decrepancies of ages and last names, who was married to whom and whose child belonged to what father the likes of which has never been seen in any “community” in the outside world of this compound, proved only to compound the complete chaos leading to today’s mess of this many children having to be taken into protection.
…they should not remain in the hands of parents who followed such a creep as Warren Jeffs is clear…
“You alarm me. You should alarm every right-thinking American who values his rights and is aware of the assault on them by the State. Tell me, are you in any way aware of the vast commerce that a case like this engages? It’s connection to federal policy and enormous financial kickbacks to the State?”
No, you alarm ME and you particular brand of thinking should also alarm the rest of the people on this thread by putting economics over the welfare of children. You are completely despicible.
the rest of your comments are just more pointlessness and only proves:
1. you really do not care about the protection of the laws that pertain to the abuse of children.
2. you haven’t moved from idiot status.
I tire of you. go sell your victimhood to someone else. kthx
