@Catalonia
“Whatever dude. You’re obviously somebody who thinks that ‘conservative’, ‘Christian’,
‘Republican’, and ‘heterosexual people who disagree with me politically’ are synonymous terms. Since that is so monumentally obtuse as to be beyond comment, I’d say your powers of discernment are decidedly lacking. In short, you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about.”
Who is running the Republican party right now, eh? It’s been the Conservative Christians for the past 8 years. The whole party is in a constant battle to “out-God” each other, and so they pick on the gays.
I admit it was a broad brush statement, but if you can’t see that most Republicans are Christian and are against gay marriage, you are the one who is obtuse. My issue was with the fact that conservatives have attempted to define the family as belonging solely to them – and the fact that many of those same conservatives won’t allow gay people to have families is a hypocrisy. Perhaps I should have said “anyone against gay marriage does not value families”.
“Whatever dude. Seems to me you’re the one stuck on definitions.
“Since you’re obviously a veritable juggernaut of intellectual perspicacity, why, pray tell”
You are so pretentious. Listen to yourself! This is not the language of someone trying to communicate clearly – it’s the language of someone trying to show off how smart they are by using obscure words – in order to be condescending to the opponent. The goal of debate is clarity, not to show off. Whether you use this word commonly or not, you make no attempt to communicate in a way that everyone reading will understand.
“Why don’t you tell us why marriage is even required to form a family? Can’t two people stay together and love each other without institutions such as marriage? You sound pretty backwards and regressive and stuck on definitions to me — thinking something as ancient as marriage is cutting edge and necessary to the formation of family. Pshaw!”
You don’t need marriage to have a family, that is true…but it helps. Certain tax and medical benefits are conferred by marriage. If you oppose gay marriage, you oppose giving gays equal rights. In this context, it makes no sense to argue that gays “don’t need” to get married to have a family – they want to get married, they should be allowed, and your narrow-minded religious views (which are coming up in the next paragraph, I see) should have no say in the matter whatsoever.
“Whatever dude.”
What are you, a surfer? Get a new phrase – that one is annoying. By the way, how do you know I’m not a woman? You call me dude – why?
“Seems to me that it is gays who are using marriage as a weapon against society, or in more simple psychological terms, against heterosexuals for the original sin of being normal.”
“Normal”, ha ha ha. Normal just means common. It doesn’t mean anything else. There is no merit or demerit in being normal. Gays just want to have the same right to get married, and the rights that go with that.
“It’s not like anybody is keeping gays from living together, and in most cases the legal benefits of marriage can be arranged already, albeit in a buffet fashion.”
Why should they have to go to all that extra effort to get the same rights? Again, you’re making them second-class citizens for no good reason.
“Seems more likely that gays are trying to impose same-sex marriage not because it actually makes a lot of sense (marriage is about children and the establishment of paternity, not love, even if you do marry the person you love)”
[sarcasm]Well, thank you for clarifying that. I was under the impression that marriage could be about whatever the people getting married want it to be about. Now I see the light – your definition of marriage is the TRUE defintion and we must all abide by it.[/sarcasm]
You are the one imposing your religious rules on society. Don’t pretend it is otherwise.
“— it’s more like an elaborate exercise in psycho-therapy, of forcing others not just to tolerate gayness but to accept it as perfectly normal instead of just the strange, peripheral sexual tendencies of a tiny 3% of the population that it is.”
It is about equality under the law in a secular nation and nothing more. You are a bigot, just as I suspected.
“Marriage is a stamp of approval, and that is the ONLY thing the same-sex marriage movement is about.”
No, it is about having equality under the law. You have no good reason to deny them the right to marry. None whatsoever. Your religious values should not be imposed on everyone else, and that is what you are doing when you deny gays the right to marry.
You are exactly the kind of conservative Christian bigot I was referring to. Thank you for proving my point exactly.
