Goodness, I haven’t seen this many straw men since we took down the scarecrows from Halloween!
Ya’ll seem to be frothing at the mouth, but I’ll do one last responce just for the sake of argument.
You ask what Facts I’m talking about. Look at the Facts regarding the self-immolation of the California Republican Party. Prop 187 was their nuclear self-destruct system. Replicating that on a national level makes about as much sense as backing up the TITANIC to ram the iceberg a second time, “just to show that piece of ice who’s in charge here”, but that is exactly what Trancedo and his ilk are demanding that the GOP do.
Telling Hispanic voters, many of whom have much deeper family roots in this country than you or I, many of whom have bled and fought and suffered for this country, at Battan and other places, that they should “go home” to Mexico, that they are not “real Americans”, and accusing them of being everything from criminals, (FBI’s Most Wanted Murderers, Surprise Many Come from…ding ding Mexico!) to freeloaders, ( I don’t want to open it up to a bunch of folks who think the government owes them a life) is not a politically winning stragegy.
Neither is it one that most people agree with. “Juan McAmnesty” as the “T.C.”s call Senator McCain is the nominee, and Trancedo and his supporter (apparently singular) have gone back to Colorado.
Neither are T.C. views reflective of reality. Life is hardly as dramatic as the radio makes it seem. Despite what the folks on the Radio say, there are choices between “open borders”, tearing down the fences and putting up an “Al Queda WELCOME” sign on one hand, and rounding up everyone who who can make a Tamale and shipping them off to camps in Nebraska where “Work will make them free.”
Oh sure on Talk Radio it may be all Gotterdamerung all the time, but out here in the real world, (where “false dilemma” is considered a logical fallacy) most people do not see a threat in letting poor people come here from other countries to clean our offices, buss our tables, wash our bathrooms, and (horrors) use our public facilities.(!!)
I may be an unelightend Liberal grifter stooge, but I fail to see the horrible national security consequences of these people getting a lock on the entry level jobs in house keeping, landscaping, and food service industires. (Perhaps that nice lady that cleans my office every night is actually a deep cover agent for the DGI?)
Neither do I see how this makes me a supporter of slavery. If illegal aliens are being underpaid and abused (and they are) then the LOGICAL solution is NOT to ship them “back home” in a deportation operation that would make Hans Frank and Jurgen Stroop proud. Rather it would be to let them become legal, so they can demand from Tyson Foods and Mohawk Textiles the same wages and protections other workers get. Frankly I don’t have a problem with that. If someone wants to come here, work hard, pay taxes, live in peace and just be left alone, I don’t see how that constitutes a threat to national security or the national economy.
I do see how it is awfuly hard for someone who’s family has been here since Diego de Vargas took back Santa Fe from the Indians in 1692 to “go back home”. I can see how telling someone who’s family has been in Los Angeles since 1781 that they “just want(ed) to come here for the welfare state we have become” would be seen as both inaccurate and insulting. I see how implying that Hispanics are less than loyal Americans, that they “believe that they are not part of the United States”, that they want to form “an Americanadamex nation” makes for dramitic radio; but I also see how it is not just silly but also horribly insulting to a huge portion of our population, especially in the light of the heroic sacrifices Hispanic members of our armed forces have made, and continue to make today.
I fail to see how insulting America’s fastest growing and (I think) largest demographic group is a winning political strategy for the GOP. That was tried in California, and it didn’t seem to work out very well.
I do not think I am either an idiot or having hallucinations, though sometimes I wish I was. Perhaps I am not drinking enough.
A Wall Street Journal op-ed says, “What’s needed is immigration
reform that reflects the demands of our labor markets, not more
attempts to punish companies for practicing capitalism.” (For the
full editorial, see here.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120312184061172981.html) Apparently this now makes the WALL STREET JOURNAL a RINO rag, and this attempt to support capitalisim and free markets shows that they are REALLY “Liberals” who support a “welfare state”, “slavery” and the ever present threat of the dreaded “corpratist” “North American Union”.(Apparently the only candidate the “True Conservatives” can rally around is General Jack D. Ripper.)
I am told by Mr. Olaughlin (who really should google that old song “No Irish Need Apply”) that he respects the Hispanic culture and work ethic; but he then implies that these same people (who’s “work ethic” he “admires”) apparently somehow all expect me to pay for their “medical, dental, housing, education,and monthly expenses and throw in some spending money”, and at a ratio of 15:1! That’s not behavior that would be in keeping with the work ethic Mr. Olaughlin claims to admire. (Apparently they didn’t teach Aristotle’s ideas about “non-contradiction” where Mr. Olaughlin went to school.) Frankly I have no desire to ever meet him, either at a poker table or anywhere else… though I would tell him that he is right about one thing, I am a cynic (Antisthenes said a lot of good things) though not a synic, or a Liberal or a global warming grifter… when oil hit $100.01 today I made money.
Pierre asks me “Which people? The people that have been there since we won the war?” To which I say YES! Exactly right! These people, or more properly their decendants, DO own land, houses, businesses, serve in the military, and go to school, church, college. They work hard, are patriotic, (you say so yourself) and do not expect me, Mr. “No Irish Need Apply” or anyone else to pay all their bills. Untill the “True Conservatives” decided they should all be shipped off in box cars they (or at least the ones I know) tended to vote Republican, simply because of the Pro-Life issue.
The stereotype that the “T.C.” have have about Hispanics in America is inaccurate, bigoted, and yes, racisit.
Oh there I go! My side can never have a debate without insulting the poor, put upon “True Conservatives”, who; being the polite and logical folks they are, never, ever, ever insult anybody… much less highly decorated American War Hero’s who have lead men in combat, suffered and sacrificed for their country, and risen to not only the leadership in the United States Senate, but recieved the nomination of the Republican Party, or a truly spiritual and thinking person like The Anchoress.
