submandave: What nonsense. all of this are part of major current discussion on the political right. There is nothing antiquated about it. Read John Bolton and his discussions about reforming the UN. Read Nyquist. Go over to the NRO. Did you miss the “OiL for Food” scandal? Your 1950′s “argument” is totally bogus on the face of it, and you would know that if you poked you head out of your Lefty bubble. What obtuse nonsense.
This “Bircher” slander of you is just another taking point that you have unwittingly received in you “education” and from the MSM. You do not even know its history, i’d bet. It is just the standard Lefty comeback and we have been hearing for decades. This rhetorical lie is on the same level as the one that the Nazis were not Socialists, and it is just as much a lie as that. It is just BS. After all the obstructionism in the UN of the last 8 years, nobody but the Left buys your little rhetorical evasions of responsibility anymore. Moreover, it is illogical and irrational. That fact that a proposition was once held at one time by one group of people does not logically preclude that it is not valid in another time by another group of people. The actual points have to be address. This is a plain logical fallacy of the sort that is dismissed in Freshman writing classes. To cling to such this is to merely cover your ears (and to demonstrate how poorly educated you are).
It is only a matter of time before the UN is either reformed or closed down. We may have to wait until this incompetent current president is out, but that will hap[pen soon enough the way he is going. The country is already sick of him and he has not been in office a month.
You sink to name calling in an intellectually dishonest attempt to dismiss my position without having to honestly address it. You do so becuase you have no valid arguement. Like vivo, you are living in a fantasy world, and all of by critizims of him apply as equally to you.
I would go further and say that you are a flat-out intellectual coward and liar, whereas vivo is just young and misguided.
I also doubt that you have any real world experience in the matter of the UN and FOS whatsoever. You are just repeating talking points that you have not even examined. You may think this makes you look insightful, “current” and clever, but in reality it make you look like a useful idiot and an uninformed dolt. Taking common cause with an anti-semite like cedarford calls into question your very morality. The comic thing is that Cedarford doessound like a Bircher, and I bet that that is where he gets must of his jew hating rhetoric from00 he sure sounds like he is of the right age. You would know that if you understood the slightest thing about the history the 1950′s, the Cold War and American politics in that period. But you do not know a thing about it, you are just choke full of the propaganda that the Democrats have been pumping out for decades. When you finally figure it all out, remember I told you so.
The views that I am voicing on this thread are common currency among most conservative and most right of center voters. The fact that you do not know this shows how mired you are in your lefty bubble and talking point.
Just watch what happens when Obama tries to hand over our sovereignty to the UN. All hell will break loss. Think about your lame “Bircher slander” then.
