Wow, that article is complete bull. It is a complete manipulation of the various legitimate forms of the just war doctrine because any try just war doctrine also considers the likely repercussions of a just in the consideration of whether it is just.
Anyone want to try to diagram that last sentence? I think my eyes started bleeding from even trying to understand the point of it.
Such repercussions as thinking that you can stop an insurgency movement (which Hamas really still is)
No, Matt, they’re a government. Their people voted them into power and they have assumed a leadership role for the Palestinians. As such, they should be treated in the same way as any other government that insisted on launching rockets into a neighboring country: told to stop, and pounded flat if they refuse.
by using force and not by taking away its legitimacy and popular support.
And HOW is Israel supposed to do that? Do they have magical powers? The Palestinians are such a basket-case of a people that they voted a terrorist organization into power. It isn’t some small minority of people showing support for terrorist attacks… IT’S THE MAJORITY. The Palestinian people have repeatedly expressed the wish that Israel disappear and that the Jews die. And how is Israel supposed to take away the “legitimacy” of that?
Frikkin’ liberals. You never have any real answers, do you? Just feelings.
This attacks on Gaza are unjust because they will be worse for Israel in the long run. Its naive to think otherwise.
You don’t get to be the judge of who’s naive and who’s not, Matt, especially given what you’ve written here.
I’m sorry, but that’s just how the world works.
No, that’s how you want the world to work. Learn the difference.
Maybe you people should get out more and talk to some insurgents to figure out what they fight against people like you.
That may be the single stupidest sentence I’ve read so far in 2009.
If you say they they are __(insert dehumanizing label here)__ and don’t deserve that understanding then I’m sorry, you’ll never win.
Who’s “you?” We may support Israel here, for the most part, but most of us aren’t actually Israeli. Are you talking about other “insurgents,” like al Qaeda? Should we talk to them? Perhaps stop referring to them with “__(insert dehumanizing label here)__?”
The blockade (military siege), attacks and invasion are just giving people all over the world over more reason to hate Israel and fight against it.
Like they’ve ever needed a reason. I think the Jews have grown accustomed to people all over the world hating them. What’s odd that no matter what atrocities Hamas commits, people like you NEVER show any hatred of them. Israel is allowed to take no action that may cause harm to the poor Palestinian innocents, but leftist twits will bend over backwards to justify every action performed by the Palestinians, no matter how horrific.
I’m not says there’s no threat from Hamas,
Actually, you pretty much are saying that.
I’m just saying there are other ways and that you are making it worse.
Again, who is “you?” Do you think you’ve stumbled into an Israeli forum?
Read your US Counterinsurgency Field Manual by Petraeus and then read Insurgency and Terrorism by O’Neill so you can stop being so violently ignorant that you end up hurting yourselves.
Petraeus? Isn’t he the one behind the Surge in Iraq? the one that has killed far more terrorists (sorry, didn’t mean to wound your oh-so-politically-correct psyche, Matt… “insurgents.”)? THAT Petraeus. Looks like the Israelis have read his book and are taking his advice. The first rule? SHOOT BACK.
I’m not saying war is never just,
Unless it’s Israel fighting back.
only that you obviously don’t know at all what you are talking about.
That’s a bit like being called “short” by a hobbit. We were just told we don’t know what we’re talking about by someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I know you think you know what you’re talking about but like I said, you’ve probably never made friends with an insurgent to understand their motivation.
I was wrong. THAT is the single stupidest sentence I’ve read in 2009. And perhaps 2008. MAKE FRIENDS WITH AN INSURGENT?!? ARE YOU FRIKKIN’ SERIOUS?
I differ your interpretation of the situation to Stephen Hawkins: “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Umm, first, it’s Stephen Hawking, not “Hawkins.” Second, he may be a brilliant man, but he is a physicist, not a general, not an expert on foreign affairs, not an expert on Israeli/Palestinian issues. Third, he didn’t actually say that. Historian Daniel Boorstein said it. Fourth, you might want to consider what he said… you have the illusion of knowledge, but you are ignorant.
