100 posts and really nobody has touched on how I would view the entirety of the subject.
This is a matter of curiosity for me, not much more. However, equating it with the 8 years of Bush derangement, Haliburton, blood for oil, Jews/Bush plotted the 9/11 attack…vs. asking for the original birth certificate, is not a compelling parallel or equivalency argument, Rick, my friend.
Oliver Stone has made a living (as has Michael Moore on a different level of depravity) of taking certain “facts” and then attempting to piece together or cobble together some “conclusions”.
It’s apparently a fun game in some quarters. Hell, Al Gore has done it with global warming to an extent. (after he invented the internet, which you hurt his feelings by not embracing right away…not sure about your embrace of his other conclusions, and inconvenient truths, though)
You see, Rick…in the absence of facts, evidence or in the void created by withholding of documentation, people tend to substitute their own brand of deductive logic and implant THEIR facts and cobble together an argument.
Even you. Heck, we all do it. You have substituted in the facts that assist you in arriving at the conclusion that makes you comfortable. It would be INSANE to think otherwise, right? I may agree with your conclusion, but not how you arrive at it. I may think your “substitute” facts or the ones that you use to cobble together your “conclusions”, are not strong enough or persuasive enough.
We are STILL bouncing around ideas about the JFK assassination and that happened decades ago. President-elect Obama’s win, is merely days old.
So, if Michael Moore and Oliver Stone and the whole blood for oil, Haliburton, Mossad/Bush plotted 9-11 crowd can have their fun, why be a killjoy? Let’s ask some Oliver Stone/Michael Moore type questions:
1)Did the paternal grandmother and/or others state that they witnessed the live birth in Kenya or did they not? If they did not and there is no such quote, we can move on to other things. If they did, why would they do such a thing? Are they conspiring to keep him from being President?
Perhaps it is a faulty memory, perhaps it is self-aggrandizement on a much larger scale. But it IS an oddity that they would announce such a thing and it carries SOME weight from an evidentiary standpoint, does it not?
2)Had a REPUBLICAN been running for office, which OTHER documents would have been researched, hunted down, uncovered, “exposed” long ago? Hell, Joe the Plumber wasn’t running for even a union steward position and HIS entire life was exposed in 15 minutes after he ASKED A QUESTION. The man running for President chose to blockade virtually every record of his schooling, wherein he may have applied for scholarships, grants in aid, internships, and the like…which may…or may not…have provided evidentiary clues into what HE believed was his right as a citizen or a foreigner.
There may be dozens of other reasons for not releasing those records, but would Oliver Stone or Michael Moore accept them?
3)The original birth “circumstances” are a bit murky as I understand it. Where are the hospital records. Which hospital are we talking about? Clearly, if the hospital records exist, we should be able to obtain them. Was it a difficult pregnancy? Who was the attending physician? I have not paid close attention to this entire mess, but I believe someplace there was a reference to two separate hospitals. I don’t know about this element, but is it worth further investigation at a minimum? Would Oliver Stone or Michael Moore leave it untouched?
4)How old was his mother? I read someplace that she was not yet 18, therefore…something or other. What is the PRECISE law related to a mother having given birth outside of the country and age? If she wished little Barry to be a US citizen and his father wished for little Jr. to be a citizen of Kenya…why not have the child in Kenya and bring him back to the US and file papers related to the birth?
There doesn’t have to be a nefarious reason, only one of pride in nationality that could explain WHY they wanted to try to “create” dual citizenship. Only, the vagaries of the law made them take a couple of missteps or shortcuts and not do it precisely according to their intent. This removes their mens rea for “conspiracy” before the fact. They innocently wished to create for him a tie to his roots on both ends.
The extended family found a way to send him to private school, this is a family that would have coughed up plane fare.
5)Rick…your argument that some government flunky said “I’ve looked at it, let’s move on”, is really rather ridiculous in terms of persuasion. This all may be JFK/Oliver Stone/Michael Moore/Al Gore inconvenient truthers fun and giggles…but THAT argument is patently absurd, even though I am one of your defenders and have often come to your side when you submit a controversial piece.
A government official from Chicago says that there is no graft or corruption, let’s move on…do you take that at face value?
Bill Clinton says “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”, do you take that at face value and move on?
Look, this may all be mental gymnastics and a JFK conspiracy “magic bullet”, wild goose chase…but THAT argument is about as weak as you can get.
6)As for the argument that the SCOTUS will NOT turn around the “will of the people”, I actually hope this turns out to be the nonsense that many believe it is. Let’s move on and get on with more important things once we find out the truth, once and for all.
But, the “will” of the people is a funny thing. How may folks “in the middle” who were on the fence…would have voted for Senator Obama had they believed this issue had legs? Enough to tip the scales?
I don’t know. Nobody knows. I don’t buy the argument that the “will” of the people would be the same necessarily. I hope I never find out.
To summarize, I think this is nothing more than a JFK conspiracy parlor game. It is not “derangement” any more than those other parlor games are “derangement”. Certainly not on the level of the last 8 years. But this issue does raise the spectre of how someone can run for an office of this magnitude with so many pieces of their resume’ blockaded behind vault doors. Now THAT’S an issue worth exploring. Oliver? Michael? Al? Any takers?
Didn’t think so.
