Thanks, John for that reasoned response. See Susan, that is what we rational humans call debate. Not ranting and personal abuse. Also, rational humans actually read and address what the other person says, not what appears in their imagination. Why you keep going on about muslims, burkas and caliph I can only assume comes from your feverish nightmares, it certainly bears no resemblance towards anything I am trying to say. So either marshal a few rational arguements or shut up. John,while I would acknowledge plenty of faults, moral and otherwise, here (no society is perfect) I would argue that ‘moral collapse’ is a tad over-the-top. Out of interest, which European countries have you been in? I travel the world quite widely and compared to many places, most of Europe seems to be doing well. I was in the States and Canada a few weeks back and can’t see much material difference. Of course one big difference is that in Western Europe, very few people still go to church (or synagogue or mosque etc). But I see that as a good thing. Contary to what the religious have predicted, it hasn’t resulted in the collapse of civilisation. I think humanity will have finally grown up when it no longer needs supernatural beings to blame for natural catastrophes or credit with good fortune. As for Jew hatred, you should look at some the anti-Jewish filth coming from American neo-nazis. BTW, not sure how you come to think a majority of us believe 9/11 was anything to do with Bush! He’d only just been elected! Even us Europeans aren’t that stupid. However,I do find it astonishing that a majority of Americans still believe that Iraq had a hand! Good propaganda George W, Goebbels would have been proud of that!
