misanthropicus – In defense of cedarford, he is clearly NOT a troll. He posts his own opinions, often long, with an occasional good point. He’s been posting here quite awhile. His is simply loyal opposition, and he’s due some courtesy.
cedarford – The issue of citizenship is not settled. Just the salient points:
1) At the time of his birth, allegedly in Kenya, his mother was only 18. His father was Kenyan. Per Kenyan law, he is Kenyan. Per our law, he is NOT American, because at the time, the American parent had to be at least 19. Ergo, if he were indeed born in Kenya, he is disqualified from the Presidency… and even from being a U.S. Senator.
2) The short-form copy of his birth certificate posted online has been discredited by three (!) different experts. It matters not, because he is simply required by the Constitution to provide proof positive of his qualifications to be Prez. The online, short-form doesn’t cut it. He has failed to offer the necesssary proof.
3) He was sued. The court required that he answer the suit and offer his proof. He failed to do so in the requisite 30 days, thus by law, conceding the point. The case was later dismissed by reason of jursdiction, and has been refiled. The point of law concession is not invalidated.
4) Even if he does prove it, he was adopted in Indonesia as a child, becoming Barry Soetoro, and a legal citizen of Indonesia and no longer American. He need not renounce his citizenship in that case, as Indonesian law aplies, and is recognized by the U.S. He could reacquire his citizenship, setting things right, if he later took an oath after his 18th birthday. There is no record of him having done so.
So, he denies release of his vault copy of his Birth Certificate, which he legally cannot do, because he is required to produce it. Further, records of his Indonesian status has also been denied to us. He refuses to provide passport records of his trip to Pakistan, as it will show he used his Indonesian citizenship status to gain access. The same goes for his refusal to release his college transcripts, as he seems to have used his Indonesian status to gain preferential access to the schools. These each would be damning evidence of his disqualified status, so they are concealed.
The Constitutional and legal requirements are clear, but people just shrug their shoulders, because they want him to be Prez, but we can’t just overlook the Constitution and laws in this. Even if you support him, these facts and allegations should leave you very concerned as an American.
For my part, do not ask me to support him as my next President until he has settled these simple requirements of proof of citizenship.
