Tomw says “What was done in dissent that has caused the Iraq war fail?”
First off, the war in Iraq has not failed. We won the war in weeks. What we are dealing with is the insurgency phase where the Iraqis that do not want the change that follows a war and al Qaeda operatives bent on scoring propaganda points, are causing mayhem. We are wining even against that, despite the fact the MSM, and you it looks like, will not admit that. Even Obama has said so now that it is indisputable. And I can debunk your dumb assertions that these are lost causes with a few words: Germany, Japan, and South Korea. We dealt with much more hostile & capable forces there and yet here we are today. People like you need to convince others there is no possibility we can succeed fast so that we can pull out and it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. Throughout history wars have produced clear winners and losers. It is not until the Vietnam conflict that some pro-communism idiots introduced this ridiculous canard that wars do not solve problems or can not be won.
Second, that dissent I mentioned did not cause our effort during either the war or the insurgency to fail, but it sure as hell gave an enemy with no chance of a military victory HOPE. This prolonged the enemy’s efforts much longer than it would have been if the enemy had known from the start there was no chance for a political victory. It is the same dynamic that kept the defeated North Vietnamese in a conflict they should never have won. And the frightening thing is that the left knew this was the case all along and still did it because they wanted a loss they could pin on Bush. Have no doubt that the angry left’s sole objection to Iraq and the GWoT is that Bush is involved.
Tomw says: “Our chances at winning this “war” are as good as the NYPD’s chances at winning the war on crime. Just as crime will never end, for as long as we stay as an occupying force, there will always be those against us.”
So do you also advocate we pull the NYPD out of New York and just let them be? What about the other cities in the US? Should we abandon the US too? I mean crime will always be there, even if the police stay and try to fight it! Just wondering if you apply this weak logic to its inevitable conclusion. My guess is there is no chance of that.
