Seriously, Where Is Imam Feisal … and What’s with His Web Site?
So where right now is Rauf? Still in Malaysia? Sipping tea with who-knows-whom in the Middle East? Jetting between Southeast Asia and the Gulf at U.S. taxpayer expense?
And while he’s on these travels, what’s going on with the web site of his Cordoba Initiative? Last week, after someone in his Malaysia office referred all questions back to his office in New York, the phone number and address of his office in Malaysia quietly vanished from the Cordoba web site. Roughly around the same time, as Anne Bayefsky noticed and explained in a PJ Media post this week, Rauf’s Cordoba Initiative web site also erased a photo showing Rauf meeting in Malaysia a while back with an Iranian official, Mohammad Javad Larijani — who, as Bayefsky explained, “was the Iranian official who defended Iran’s abysmal human rights record before the UN Human Rights Council in February and June of this year.”
Friday evening, after Obama gave his de facto endorsement to Rauf’s Cordoba/Park 51 Ground Zero mosque and Islamic center project, I took another look at the morphing Cordoba Initiative web site, and discovered it now has a note on the main page saying “Website is currently under construction.” (Grab your screenshots now — parts of this site are already sliding down the Memory Hole).
What’s going on? Why the vanishings of the Malaysian address, the Rauf-Larijani Iranian connection photo, and the elusive Imam Feisal himself? Have either Obama or Bloomberg made even the smallest effort to inquire about what use will be made, or by whom, of these de facto endorsements they are handing out?
[Update: Politico reports that Obama is now saying he did not endorse the Cordoba project near Ground Zero. Hmmm... Obama's comments sounded to me like a pretty specific endorsement ... or are there other folks the rest of us have not yet heard about, who are currently buying private property near the Twin Towers site to build yet more mosques and Islamic centers?]
This is an excellent report. I plan to read your writeups daily, if available. Thank you VERY much for the work you have done.
Ain’t screen shots grand? A lot of material I had gathered about Obama before he became the Democratic candidate got swallowed up into the ether.
Keep up the great work.
Isn’t it kind of strange how the ground zero mega-mosque project seemed to come out of nowhere with it’s high profile political support and multi-million dollar funding?
Maybe someone is worried about the billions invested in the Freedom Tower and is looking for a little “insurance”.
Can’t wait to learn that somewhere in all of the legislation that has been passed giving US grants and loans to whomever, that TARP or some other pool of money had an allocation set aside for the mosque. Wouldn’t surprise me whatsoever!
We’ve been deceived and lied-to so often by the Obama administration that nothing surprises me anymore. Corruption oozes from every pore of the Obama administration.
Grimble, Grimble just had a horrible thought with insurance comment i have considered this before i am adamntly opposed to the ground zero mosque but its festering presence may provide some insurance against a future freedom tower attack by the kids from mosselmania. that and avoidance of a personal fatwah may be bloomberg’s game.
Why, Saska, I’m not sure you have completely thought this through. Are you saying mosques should also be located next to the White House, the Congress, the Vatican, #10 Downing street, etc.?
Insurance? Remember the al-Askari (Golden) Mosque in Samara?
“i am adamntly opposed to the ground zero mosque but its festering presence may provide some insurance against a future freedom tower attack by the kids from mosselmania.”
Doesn’t matter if there’s a mosque on top of the Freedom Tower, if Muslims want to blow it up, they will.
The thing most people fail to realize about Islam is that Muslims can justify anything they do. If a bunch of Muslims in the middle east are caught in the middle of one of their bombings, they weren’t faithful enough so they deserved it. Kill Muslims in America and it falls under “they weren’t really Muslim because they don’t speak Arabic and they converted”. I sincerely wish I was making this stuff up.
My family lived in the middle east for two years. In that time my dad worked with them every single day of the week and was fluent in Arabic. Now, my dad is by no means a racist and doesn’t begrudge anybody their religious beliefs, but he can’t stand Muslims or Arabs. And from what I remember about living there – even as a kid – neither can I. Neither of us trust them – kind of hard to when their holy book specifically tells them it’s OK to lie to infidels and make infidels think you’re their friend until they pull the rug out from under you. A friend of mine tells me his father had a friend – a very good friend – who was Muslim who, one day out of the blue said, “You know, if it came down to you or my religion, my religion would win.” Doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence regarding where the sentiments of most Muslims lie given that this guy was not by any means a fanatic about religion in his every day life.
Like my dad, I’m no racist. I just choose to acknowledge the more unsavory truths that nobody wants to admit are there because then that requires making a judgement about someone and their culture. Then again, when someboy – anybody, to include an entire religion – is holding me at gunpoint and says they want to shoot me, I’m going to take them at their word. And them I’m either going to shoot them first or at least take them down with me.
As an aside, the Cordoba House/Park51/Ground Zero mosque/ whatever the name is supposed to be is a giant “screw you, we will piss on your ashes” to America. Too bad there are too many people with politically correct blinders on to realize it.
“I will not submit.”
hM
Obama’s grandstanding was met with fervent applause when he backed the 9/11 Victory Mosque last Friday. The White House was filled with the stars and lights of Islam in America, joined by Obama, and all seemed perfectly united in support of the Victory Mosque, and unified in their opposition against We The People.
And yet we’re told again and again, by bought-off elites from both Left and Right, that Islam is the Religion of Peace (TM), that Muslims aren’t monolithic in their beliefs, that it’s preposterous to assert that Obama has deep Islamic affinities, and that it’s America, and not the profoundly arrogant and notoriously intolerant Muslims, who must prove their our tolerance.
I think the vernacular phrase for this is WTF!?
Bloomberg and Obama one short of a old perfect comedy act. Bloomberg just had a photo opp extolling the virtues of the electric car, and federal money to fund and install electric charging stations in NYC parking lots. Oh in case you missed it they will be monitored by union valets who will do the charging for you. When asked if he Bloomberg would drive an electric vehicle his reply was that he usually has too many people traveling with him and the fact that they are not clowns (at least not professionally)could never cram into a pile of Volt junk. He in effect said for thee but nor for me. So let us assume that there will be multiple electric outlet incorporated in the ground zero travesty.
I think Barokeydoke is trying to pull a ‘Clinton’ on this mosque thing…to have it both ways and avoid the splash back he knows is inevitable…well,I ain’t having any
Obama zeroes in on the right “to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan.”
1. That is likely the only place we lowly citizens will ever hear el Presidente Obama saying anything whatsoever positive about use of private property.
2. That is also the precise opposite of the remarks that said Presidente might make of a proposed megachurch of the Christian faith, on private property, in lower Manhattan.
The 9/11 Victory Mosque
It is not a “Cordoba House”. It is not “Islamic Community Center”, or a “place for interfaith dialogue”. It is a monument to Islam’s biggest triumph over the West. Let’s stop referring to it by the enemy’s term, a term designed to conceal and confuse. Let’s put them on the defensive every time this hideous 9/11 Victory Mosque is discussed.
Taking a page out of the Left’s radical playbook:
Rule #11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.
– Saul Alynsky Rules for Radicals.
This is as good as it gets:
The 9/11 Victory Mosque that is it’s name, and that is, in fact, exactly what it is.
“9/11 Victory Mosque”! Fabulous! I’m going to use it from now on. If anyone continues to use “Cordoba Mosque”, I’ll respond: “Oh, you mean the a.k.a. “1492 Spanish Christian Victory Mosque”".
“And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances..” – Obama
Now, tell me Obama HADN’T (?) commented on the Ground Zero mosque?
His response today is the, ‘Mississippi 2 Step’. He’d made his own assertion before reading his teleprompter or being spoon fed what to say.
It immediately had me thinking about the Dan Rather interview. Remember?
Rather asks Obama if he’d quit smoking and Obama said he had. Not 5 seconds later Rather pushes a bit further and Obama admits to having 1-2 per day nowadays. Rather, ‘fawning all over Obama’ Rather calls Obama out! Obama says, ‘Fair enough…’.
The guy is so inept!
Not long after Rather makes a disgusting remark about Obama unable to sell produce.
Gotta love liberal media. Patting your head one day and throwing you to the wolves the next.
The silence of Schumer and other NY pols speaks VOLUMES of these gutless t urds.
This, ahem ‘man’, administration and like minded, PC brain-dead pols from both aisles are a d amn travesty and in some instances, enemies of the state with their spineless assertions, silence.
In case anyone is genuinely curious, this is where they are planning to build the community center and mosque.
I guess a Google ground level view is worth more than a thousand right wing pundits, eh?
So.. Meh. Not sure what your picture is worth, mayhap you can enlighten me.
On another note, are you happy with government funds and effort at the highest level being used to promote a religion? In this case islam via the obama State Dept. sending this moslem Imam to promote his/islams cause?
If so , then maybe the next Pres will use government resources to send Christian emissaries on similar missions as the precedent is being set.
Did you click on that link and try to see how the location of the proposed replacement of that closed Burlington Coat Factory building is relative to the real Ground Zero?
As far as sending the Iman abroad to act as an Islamic good will rep in behalf of US interests, the right wing complaint on this seems to be just another MBAN (More Bitching About Nothing). I personally rather something like this in terms of foreign policy instead of, say, this.
It’s close enough that the engine from one of the planes landed there.
Shhhh! Don’t confuse Copperheads with facts!
Now, cave man, are we going to start again with the usual Dem argument? You wouldn’t…you couldn’t…but you did. Let me basicafy it.
A Repub does something a Dem thinks is bad.
The Dem does the same thing.
This proves the thing is now a good thing to do because a Repub once did it.
This is the Smellogism of the Dem-mented.
It’s two short blocks away from the WTC grounds. I don’t understand BC’s point either.
Do we have any cases where the State Department has sent rabbis, priests or ministers on similar “outreach” junkets to their religious compatriots in other countries? And if we did, what was the response of the ACLU?
Oh wise one, why have they chosen to name it “Cordoba”? The same name chosen for the Spanish triumphal Mosque of Cordoba in the 8th century after the “religion of peace” slaughtered the indigenous peoples there. Is this a rare coincidence?
You must not have heard, they’ve changed the name from “Cordoba House” to “Park51″ ostensibly because the mosque will be the country’s first certified “green mosque,” in full compliance with stringent LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) standards. Ibrahim Abdul-Matin explains it all: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-12/exclusive-ground-zero-mosque-goes-green/?cid=hp:mainpromo1
Their lefty PR machine is now firing on all cylinders.
Thanks for the slideshow there, cave man. It is about 600ft or 200yds from a view of ground zero. Plus debre from the ground zero explosions fell into the building. The developers think it is close enough to make their trophy point; why don’t you? Are you even a more of a fanatical Muzzie fundamentalist than they are?
In the time it took you to post that link, you could simply have said the 9/11 Victory mosque ( tipping my hat to the poster here who came up with that name!)is a whooooole 1/10 of a mile from Ground Zero. The semantics game with the left is getting tiresome, if not almost comical; evidently the left’s rationale is that the mosque obscenity MUST be sited directly on the footprint of one the 2 tall towers in order for the rest of us to have credibility in our disgust. If it was close enough to have received a hit from a chunk of fuselage, it is functionally a part of Ground Zero.
MBAN? Seriously? In spite of Feisal’s spider web of unsavory connections? I gotta get me some of that fine KoolAid that’ll let me believe thats copacetic, right along with the Reverend Wright’s similar well-documented web of ugly, racist subversives.
Obama’s Bin Lyin’ and the USA’s cryin’
Perhaps the big flyover that scared the pants out of New Yorkers, and was swept under the rug after the pilot resigned or was thrown under the bus, the dear ole Iman was on board taking pictures in order to decide just exactly…..where…..to…..put….that…thing.
I wonder what the response would be if a Catholic church or a synagogue and adjoining community center were suggested. My guess is we would be told that this location was no place for those type of buildings. This country founded on Christian judeo principles is being dismantled in favor of others
I don’t care so much about this Rauf imam guy.
What really burns my grits is our president sucking up to anybody but Americans, and putting his foot in his mouth as he does so, including his imbecilic endorsement of the GZM.
Some prof in Cambridge screws up, and the president says the cops acted stupidly. Then he has to back up and apologize.
And he does it every time.
Why do so many people say he is smart. Big diplomas, maybe, but I consider him a joke.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill: “The truth can be misspoken, hidden or swept under the rug, but in the end…there it is.”
Obama is and always has been…wait for it!….a Muslim. From his childhood in Indonesia where one cannot attend school without being a citizen. He was enrolled as Muslim. His fathers were both Muslim (and leftist of course). He traveled to Pakistan as a Senator during a time when they weren’t accepting U.S. passports. His bowing, renaming of War on Terror, the dismissal of the Fort Hood attack and others. And as we all know from history, Islam and Nazi Germany had a great affinity for each other which helps explain the other myriad thugs, communists and statists. He needs to be impeached before it’s too late…if it already isn’t.
Sir Winston Churchill also said:
“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step…”
And, Ayatollah Khomeini said:
“Those who know nothing about Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those people are witless. Islam says: ‘Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!’ Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the infidel? Islam says: ‘Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter them.’ Islam says: ‘Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword.’ The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
Well noted Mike,
Indeed, all four authorities of Islam (The Quran, Sunnah, Reliance of The Traveler and the Hadiths Bukarhi ALL call for a conform, convert or Kill doctrine. Since only the most recent proclamations of Mohamed are valid (as they supersede any and all prior), it’s hard really to miss! Just reduce it to the obvious. See: Law of Parsimony
Taqiyya… that the name of the game, baby!
Barry Soetero is just doing what Muslims always do when involved in an inconvenient argument to which they have no logical reasonable answer and that is raise RED HERRINGS and hope that will divert you from your legitimate complaint. Muslims ,of which Obama is a prime example, know very little about logical thought processes but a whole lot about HYPOCRISY. So having a complete ban on Bibles, Churches, Crosses and Christian books in Saudi Arabia along with a ban on NON Muslims even entering Mecca is completely ignored and treated as NORMAL by the SAME people who preach and cry for religious TOLERANCE in America and then equate that with them being able to build their TRIUMPHALIST Mosques anywhere they want.
They use Americas benevolence and tolerance and with the active connivance of Politically Correct, Multi Culti left wing moonbats use it AGAINST you and act as if they are perfectly JUSTIFIED in doing so and indeed why not so many moonbats agree with them . The American Lame Stream Media meanwhile continues to do what it has been doing for decades and that is protect the left wing Democrats backsides.
Obama’s Bin Lyin’ and America’s cryin’.
Isn’t it interesting the narrative that is beginning take hold. Obama is standing on the side of religious freedom a core Constitutional principal. He never said that it was a good idea that the mosque be built where it is being considered (even though one has been a couple of blocks away for decades) but he said they have the freedom to do so if they wish. Protect and defend the Constitution. That is the main job of the president. By contrast, on issue after issue, whether it be the 14th amendment, the mosque, or the recent gay marriage decision, the tea party klan conservatives stand on the side of attacking the Constitution. These people are only patriots and love the Constitution when the Constitution can be used as a whore to suit their own perverted agenda. Our great nation has withstood terrorists it will certainly withstand tea baggers.
These people support a version of the Constitution that was defeated a long time ago and relegated to the sewer where it belongs. We won that war. They lost. They are the enemy within, no doubt about it. Sheesh, even Fox news had to jump on the Obama bandwagon today. See the video. It’s precious!
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/14/peter-king-gz-mosques/
Praetorian foolishly wrote
“Isn’t it interesting the narrative that is beginning take hold. Obama is standing on the side of religious freedom a core Constitutional principal. He never said that it was a good idea that the mosque be built where it is being considered (even though one has been a couple of blocks away for decades)
So Mr moonbat you say there is ALREADY a Mosque a couple of blocks away I will take YOOUR word for it after you would not LIE would you. So now in your naive, gullible illogical hypocritical way does that not make you THINK ( a difficult task I know for a moonbat ) but if there is ALREADY a Mosque that close why do they need ANOTHER one. Please also point out where RELIGIOUS FREEDOM is being curtailed if there is ALREADY a Mosque there? Is that Mosque already full to overflowing with Muslims every Friday. Do you know the size of the Muslim POPULATION of Lower Manhatten that shows that it NEEDS more Mosques. No thought not LOL. Why is it that Moonbats very very seldom engage their brains when pontificating illogical hypocrisy and spouting nonsense.
Nonsense.
This is not about religious freedom. This is about radical islam planting an in your face insult to all those that died on 9/11. Read some history on islam and you will see this is a tactic. When a religion morphs into an cult incapable of tolerance for anything other than it’s core dimentia there’s a problem that is defined by rational thinking people as evil. Not saying all muslims are evil – but assuming 10% is a conservative estimate and that’s 100 million brainwashed since birth evil people that think it’s glorious to kill innocent men, women and children. No respect for life, treat women worse than pets, and zero tolerance for anything other than their backward by 1000 years beliefs. That is a problem that needs to be recognized and dealt with accordingly. See the cover of Time this week? What percentage of mainstream muslim men treat women with such disdain that they refuse to be photographed with women? How’ about the Fort Hood murderer in the name of Islam that your line of thinking helped enable to destroy all those families lives? It’s backward and f’d up so call it what it is – no excuses in the name of diversity or political correctness.
“the tea party klan conservatives stand on the side of attacking the Constitution”. Wow what a bunch of horse shit – nice throw the word Klan in there. Read this slowly a couple times – Congress and this president are acting against the will of the people. Approval levels are at 10% for Nancy and Harry and they don’t care. Tea Party supporters are great Americans who support limited government and the principles of our founding fathers. Both political parties support bailouts for big business, big banks, unions and special interests. Not the American People who want to work hard, take risks, and support their families. That’s what the tea party movement is about and your reference to tea-baggers is adolescent and offensive. So radical islam is not a threat but the Tea Party movement is. Fascinating.
“These people support a version of the Constitution that was defeated a long time ago and relegated to the sewer where it belongs.” So you’re saying the United States constitution belongs in the sewer. That’s pretty telling. You can’t have it both ways – you’re saying in the same paragraph the president is supporting the constitution and that “version” of constitution is crap. It’s 7 pages so why don’t you read it not 2000 pages of crap legislation written by far left think (stink) tanks that this president and congress have passed are not.
The liberal mind is fascinating in it’s inability to grasp realty or rational thought.
Praetorian said, ” These people are only patriots and love the Constitution when the Constitution can be used as a whore to suit their own perverted agenda”.
Constitution used as a whore? Eloquent you are not. In any case, selectively counting on the Constitution to meet an agenda is far less harmful than tossing it our the window whenever it interferes with one’s agenda – this being the way of Barry, Nancy, Harry and Barney.
It’s my opinion that Obama and his inner staff are behind the shifting sands, or shape-shifting, of the Rauf website. There is a very smart poster at Atlas Shrugs called Armaros who made the point yesterday that sooner or later someone will leak a document that shows ties between Obama, Rauf, and the ME money for the mosque and ‘memorial.’ I think that’s right. This is right on the edge of impeachment if it can be shown that the Administration itself was the mastermind of the mosque. I believe that the Victory Mosque is Obie’s payback to Saudis and others for helping him get to Harvard, for helping him in Chicago (the Syrian money man connection and Khalidi, etc.), for helping raise large funds for his campaign. I believe that there were very large donations to Obama using credit card donations, and not only from a Gaza phone bank. I read posts by 2 or 3 individuals who claimed that fraudsters had made huge contributions to the campaign using their cards.
This is a double whammy then: the precipitous descent in American public opinion as a result of Obama’s statement yesterday – the sort of clarifier for any doubters about the intentions of his ME and Islamic policies – and the fears of revelations. Keeping in mind that Khalidi has his ‘Audacity of Hope’ flotilla, and that Pam Geller traced a connection between Rauf and Perdana (sp) with the first terror flotilla featuring the IHH. The Turkish gov’t can be said to have directed this flotilla, but Obama’s outreach to the Turks has been especially warm. How warm? Toasty?
Larry in the Silicon.
Glen Beck did a show linking the various players. It should be available somewhere online, perhaps a clip is still available at his site.
Good Article, salient and reasonable points. Instead of rhetoric and red meat for extremes, each point is laid out and questioned. I may not agree with Claudia Rosett’s viewpoints or perspective, but respect her as a person and writer.
We have two choices;
1) abide by the Constitution and guarantee the right to own / operate a business, place of worship, private residence or other such domicile as long as laws and regulations are observed.
2) Suspend the Constitution when we do not agree with the individual, company, religion, or entity attempting to build, purchase or lease the property.
This is a slippery slope because laws are based on precedents, once we remove guarantee’s of the Constitution for one class of citizens, we remove them for all. Is there so much hatred we are willing to destroy rights and protections millions of Americans died to secure?
Think Hard and without hatred clouding judgement, once these decisions are forced upon the Mosque, they will also be forced upon the church, the synagogue, the Temple and atheist center.
That is how Government works.
Are we obligated to allow political groups bent on destroying the fabric of our laws and constitution to build wherever they wish in America? Are we obligated to allow them to use those very laws to subvert the entire system on which they’re based?
Remember – Islam comes complete with a rigid legal system called Sharia, it is not just a “religion” as we in the West understand it. Ther is no roo. For our secular laws under an Islamic regime. In fact, under the legal tenets of Sharia Law, man-made laws are forbidden – and Muslims are explicitly exhorted to wage war against those who support secualr law or resist the spread of Islam. Only the immutable laws of Allah are to be observed. So once Muslims dominate an area, only the laws of Allah are to be observed, all non-Muslims must submit to the primacy of Islam, concert to Islam, or die.
Why on God’s green earth must we allow this alien and inimical belief/legal system of Islam to insinuate itself on our soil? What suicidal pact requires us to permit Muslims to use our secular laws and rights to spread Islamic sedition, a.k.a. Jihad???
There’s a way around this besides that, K2K, and if there was a patriot in the Presidency (or in the mayor of NYC, or the panel which originally made this decision) then it would have been quickly and easily done already.
Reason: This isn’t about right to worship. It’s about appropriate zoning. And, of course, a lot more than that, but that is speaking to the “constitutionality” of it. No one has a constitutional right to place a building anywhere they like that is disruptive to the community.
Anybody with authority who has any sense should be figuring a way around it right now. Because this is bad, bad, bad for all concerned. No peace or understanding will come from it. (And I believe none was ever intended in the first place.)
Alana, thank you for stating it best. I was thinking of zoning laws myself. We have them here in our small town. We are not allowed to build just anything/anywhere we wish, and we certainly cannot build without a permit from the city. I am quite sure NYC has zoning and building laws. There is nothing unconstitutional about that.
All that sound very noble and worth considering until you consider how Islam has been treated so far and that is “with kid gloves”. I would be the first to think That giving Muslims a chance to live in freedom, and that is freedom from being forced to be a Muslim and threatened with death, or in fact killed because they left Islam or fought against it’s tyranny.
I have not seen that in this country. It is a phobia that works very well for Islam. That is not the phobia that Muslims claim the people of the United States have, it is the phobia that works in their favor, fear of insulting them, fear of questioning them, fear of their revenge, fear of their death threats. They have silenced our elected officials and private citizens until the only thing left is the Presidents “forceful” defense of a mosque two blocks from the World Trade Center where “good” soldiers of Allah following the instructions of Mohammad committed suicide, murdered and maimed.
And now we AR lectured as if we are against freedom when it is Islam that is against freedom. They have managed to restrict our freedom quite well so far and the necessity of the President to champion their cause seem quite out of line as a President and as a citizen.
Does he think as the developer and as the Iman of this mosque that the United States didn’t deserve what happened but they are an accessory to why it happened? Does he also think that Osama Bin Laden is the creation of the United States rather than a creation of Islam? He opened the door now we get to ask. Right?
I think we are still allowed to question without a lecture as to why we shouldn’t question.
republicans and democrats. both parties stink out loud, and have nothing to contribute to the well being of america or the american people.
a case in point. what are we getting out of this continual focus on this violent backwards islamic cult disguised as a religion.
i mean, other than having to pay to secure ourselves from their heinous murderous acts that flow from the moslem hatred of infidels, where is their contribution to our culture.
there are none. given that is the case, islam has enough mosques here. the planned one at ground zero notwithstanding, we don’t need any more moslems or their encroachment on our society.
obama is committed to supporting their treachery because he is moslem. he’s been telling us this fact about one thousand times so far. even his dopey book written by someone else, contains his claim that if was between the west and moslems he would stand with them.
what other reason could there possibly be that this character rauf is being sent on our dime as a representative of america to fund raise for this atrocity they want to construct.
we are constantly, daily, being shocked by some twisted bizarre bit of news regarding these fascist thugs.
one thing is certain, all of this will end badly for us and for them. and for these guys like barry and bloomberg who are dumb enough to imagine they are outsmarting the american people.
Seriously, where is Dr. Laura? Nowhere to be found on PJM. Hmm.
Red Herring, anyone?
More hash smoking hippie sufi muslims and less islamist tyrants.
100+ year old St. Nicholas church has been refused building permits to rebuild for 9 years by NYC, but the mosque was pushed through by Bloomberg in less than a year.
http://wirednewyork.com/churches/st_nicholas/images/st_nicholas_side.jpg
Some dude named Bloomberg has some ‘splainin to do.
Having now read the lawsuit petition filed against the NYC Landmarks Preservation Commission, it would seem the 9-0 vote on August 3 was “arbitrary and capricious” in several ways. Landmarking started in 1989 based on the history and architectural merits. download the lawsuit petition from http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/in-battle-over-mosque-a-defender-of-architecture/
Perhaps someone from the Federal Heritage Emergency National Task Force gave Obama a call this morning. HEMTF represents thirty Federal Agencies and national service organizations still actively engaged in 9/11 preservation of artifacts and human remains.
The original protest was about a building that is one of the damaged survivors of 9/11. THIS 1853 building, survived, and shows how far the damage extended beyond the WTC site even before the Twin Towers collapsed.
I still want to know how a building from 1853 was built so that a torpedo-sized chunk of airplane ONLY crashed through the roof and two floors, and not through to the basement. It must have amazing old growth chestnut crossbeams.
Are the historic preservation advocates now muzzled by the charge of bigotry?
If not for the still undefined prayer space as mosque, the developers would have faced the real fight: over the map of NYC history.
Satellite image from Sept. 23, 2001 showing the blue tarp on the roof of 45 Park Place, circled in red:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Trade_Center_Site_9-23-01_with_Cordoba_House_location.jpg
Deborah Burlingame claims to have seen the plans and the mosque will be on the top floor. Given what I know about Islam, this makes sense. However, Cordoba House claims their building plans are not final.
Whoever is doing the tweeting for Park51 also claims that Imam Rauf has no relationship with Perdana Global Peace but I just checked the website and his name and picture are still there. (Perdana Global Peace, among others, funded the flotilla to break the Gaza blockade.)
I agree with many who think that this initiative stinks to high heaven. It is not plausible that the White House, in particular the State Department, did not know anything about it prior to the announcement. Perhaps the property developer got the money to buy the property through one of the numerous Muslim outreach programs. Would their accounting be available through a Freedom of Information request?
By August 4, the home page of Perdana4Peace had been totally redesigned, to focus on Matathir’s “lifting the siege on Gaza”, but there was no longer a direct link to Rauf’s page, which still exists in internet isolation: http://www.perdana4peace.org/agenda.aspx?x=3
Sharif El-Gamal is the Tweeter, and developer. In an interview at altmuslim.com that is posted at Park51.org, he claims that Rauf will NOT be the Imam, but only have office space for his Cordoba Initiative. El-Gamal’s story keeps changing. Rauf is an occasional prayer leader at a Sufi mosque twelve blocks north on West Broadway. A conservative mosque is two blocks north of Park Place on Warren Street. At one point, El-Gamal tried to say the Warren Street congregation needed a home.
While Claudia Rossett is tracking down Rauf, the whole Park51 project seems to be migrating into the hands of El-Gamal, his partners at SoHo Properties, and Oz Sultan. The real estate junkies of NYC are trying to figure out how El-Gamal went from waiting tables to cash deals in a few years.
The Park51.org site claims they are still in stage 1, and no design plans are final. They do not even own the entire site. They have to buy-out Con Ed, a sale that requires state approval.
It’s not about Rauf any more.
The Landmark lawsuit, the Con-Ed buyout – if they ever get to final plans, the NYC Fire Department has to approve them among many other steps in the byzantine process of building anything in NYC.
Don’t you think Obama’s endorsement of a Muslim worship center is a quid pro quo for however many millions of Arab dollars found their way into the coffers of his campaign from overseas in 2008?
And who knows? Maybe he really *is* a Muslim, with the Daddy connection and all.
I’ve always wondered who was pulling the strings on the Manchurian President once his Presidency was successfully bought for him and he was installed in the Oval Office. This endorsement of a Muslim Victory Center would appear to lead back to at least one major string pulling our jug-eared puppet.
I’ll support this mosque/center when Muslim countries allow Christian churches and Jewish Synagogues to be built in the shadow of places where Christians and Jews flew planes into buildings slaughtering almost 3000 non-combatants in one day.
Oh, wait …
Am I the only one who finds it more than a little ridiculous to hear “Islam” and the mantra “Freedom of Religion” uttered in the same breath? Even Obama, when defending his stance on THE Mosque, quoted Jesus when he said something to the effect that all religions espouse “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Apparently he didn’t feel that any of Mohamed’s exhortations to slay, torture, behead, rape or otherwise disrespect or annihilate infidels would bring forth the goodwill for Muslims he so desperately seeks. Just a random thought: how could anyone possibly think that those who gave mankind Mohamed could in any way compare favorably with the country that gave the world Moe Howard?
Well, we are really chasing the wind now aren’t we? Do you think our government is having fun as we go to and fro, searching for information that has “really” become transparent as the President promised, invisible as a matter of fact.
In the meantime we are to look forward to elected and appointed officials lecturing us in what to think, how to think, and when to think it. Even they are not sure what their words mean so spend endless amounts of time explaining what they mean by their words, until what they mean, means nothing.
We’re not sure which way the wind will blow but we are coming to the realization it is an ill wind that blows.
Is it the luck of the non-Irish? Every time Obama opens his mouth anymore, bad things happen. Such as his making the GZ mosque a national issue and another reason for Americans to detest him and the Democrats. Of course he endorsed the GZ mosque at the Ramadan dinner. There was no other reason for him to mention mosques and “religious freedom” or even “private property.” What was also laughable was his comment that “The writ of the Founders must endure,” because he and Congress have been working overtime to erase that “writ.”
Carter may have been the worst American president ever; Obama the Duplitious will be deemed the foulest, because he is so obvious a venal, double-speaking, snarky, lying, dishonest creature from the depths of perdition. Even his appointees are being to smell the odor of evil and are beginning to jump ship. Claudia here has every right to suspect there’s a pile of dead fish in Denmark. Just how linked in is Obama to the GZ mosque, and how far back does it go, and who are the principal players?
The right to build the mosque and it being right to build the mosque are two separate things. It’s probably best not to embark on a campaign that you can’t win–to actually stop the mosque, using legal or political means. It may be better to just keep the pressure on–have daily protests outside the mosque, keep exposing unsavory links. Gutfield’s idea of an Islamic friendly gay bar may be a joke, but that’s the idea–force them to confront things. Take them up on their stated desire for “dialogue”–there’s actually a lot to speak about, isn’t there?
“I’ve always wondered who was pulling the strings on the Manchurian President once his Presidency was successfully bought for him and he was installed in the Oval Office.”
This applies to each and every US president since Truman. Its s simple case of following the money, who supplied it in the campaign, where did it go when the candidate was in office.
Just to try and bring the conversation back to the issue at hand, whether the mosque and community center is a good idea or an affront, let me point out that the constitution does not purport to protect anybody from persuasion, nor from criticism for that matter, of actions which are undoubtably constitutionally protected. I really can’t recall anybody asserting that a mosque cannot be built in NYC, only that this particular location is poorly chosen for its stated purpose of outreach.
If you’ve ever traveled in the middle east or India, you may recall that the Muslims like to build monuments to their military victories, many of which survive today as great works of art. Nothing unusual about that.
This particular community center and mosque is a little too close to GZ for me to dismiss the possibility that in the minds of some, the militants in particular, it will be regarded as a victory monument and a testament to the weakness of the Americans and their inability to defend their own culture.
In light of the Pakistan floods and the thousands suffering there – why doesn’t the “religion of peace” use these mosque funds to help them?
When will a Christian Church be built in Mecca? The “Victory Mosque” at ground Zero should not be a one way street for religion and its beliefs but the Islamic religion doesn’t see it this way.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/a-mosque-in-new-york-for-a-christian-church-in-mecca/#comment-610324
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/26575
Morton Doodslag: “Islam comes complete with a rigid legal system called Sharia”
As long as we keep calling Islam a religion, nobody notices that it comes packaged with a complete alternative legal system. Does our constitution allow complete freedom of legal systems?
That’s the part I don’t get. Why are these people even talking about mosques and religion and rights when Islam is a political system that commands itself to rule the world? How is that compatible with constitutional privileges?
Understanding and tolerance? Show me ONE instance of that coming from islam. I want to see a Christian church built at Mecca. I want to see bibles allowed on Saudi soil. I want to see guide dogs and booze allowed in cabs driven by muslims. I want to see cartoons lampooning Mohammed allowed without violence and threats of violence against the artists. I want to see Mohammed in a jar of urine without reprisals. As for Obama, why does he always refer to the Holy Bible as the bible, and always refer to the koran as the Holy Koran?
I wonder how we can square with the Constitution, giving Rauf money to raise funds to build a mosque?
Frankly, a Congressional inquiry is called for. If the Dems block it, a lawsuit is warranted.
Claudia, thanks for keeping us up to date on this guy. I don’t know who paid off whom or what but this guy is D-I-R-T-Y! Please keep tracking him and updating this story. It is atrocious that this man is traveling on tax payer money.
You’ve got to understand how “loving” Islam really is – to do so, err the post from another blog posted by “Zmanster” recently and in the meantime check out these two short videos to learn what Obama is truly like – in fact in the second video a famous senator is quoted speaking about someone that sounds for all the world like “Our Boy” and really strikes a chord.
Only thing is the senator was the Roman named Cicero speaking in 42 BC – but the message is still very directed and pertinent for all of us:
Three Little Words
Merry Christmas OmeriKa!!
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religion, nor is it a cult.
In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other
components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other
components tend to creep in as well.
Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving
minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the > case in:
United States — Muslim 0..6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and
among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the
introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on
supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic
Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we
are already seeing car-burnings. In Russia, grade-schools were attacked. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and
threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim
sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic
cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, beheadings, stoning, and even some genocide, as these
nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
Is this the future of the United States?
Vote OUT all liberal Democrats in public office”
What’s up with it all Claudia? Don’t make it complicated. Frequently in history for a siege to be successful a gate has to be opened by traitors within the walls.
A Traitor Mayor who saves himself grief out of cowardice, and a President of dubious provenance work great for that task.
@ L E Whipsnade,
Well the Progressive version does. It’s under the 14th Amendment, or perhaps the commerce clause, right under all the other shit they stuff in the loopholes.
OMAMA,
Did you suddenly start becoming concerned about the RIGHTS of people, or did the Imam help put you in focus? You were unconcerned
about the rights of legal citizens in the state of Arizona…the need for them to be protected from illegals. Instead, you sued Arizona for protecting its citizens. You’ve ignored sancturary cities throughout the United States who harbor illegals. They have not been identified. (terrorists, sleeper cells, criminals??)
You were not at all concerned about the people of the Gulf States. You issued a six-month moratorium against off-shore oil drilling. When two different courts ruled that you could not do this, you ignored The Rule of Law…by writing a new illegal moratorium. You took away the income of the Americans in the Gulf States by sending $2,000,000,000 to Brazil for off-shore drilling, after George Soros had sent $1,000,000 to Brazil. The Oil Companies are moving away from the Gulf during your illegal moratorium. (to Brazil, etc.) Obama, you are corrupt. Two days prior to your sending money to Brazil, a spokesman for your administration said, “It is time to redistribute wealth from the Northern Globe to the Southern Globe. I would say that what you’ve done to the Gulf States fits the redistribution of wealth nicely. It is not your wealth to redistribute, Obama.
Americans, speak out about all of this. Give the families at Ground Zero peace when they visit Ground Zero where their loved ones were incinerated by terrorists. Do not allow a mosque to tower over Ground Zero as as a Symbol of Conquest.
Delores Smith
Delores109@cox.net
I find it very funny that Obama and the rest of his Lunatic Left are yelling from the rooftops that Muslims have religious rights guaranteed to them by the Constitution,but in the same breathe they would tell me I have no right under the 2nd Amendment to carry a weapon.
The Left have a way of picking and choosing what parts of the Constitution they support,depending on the situation they are talking about. Kind of like relative morality,morals depending on what you are talking about.
LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER
9/11 MOSQUE REVERSAL: WHY DEVELOPERS ARE MEETING WITH GOV. PATERSON
After rejecting an offer by Governor Paterson to discuss an alternate location for their victory mosque near Ground Zero Imam Rauf’s supremacist group did a 180 turn and agreed to a meeting less than 24 hours later. Why the sudden reversal? Is this a PR stunt concocted by these fanatics to seem reasonable and flexible? Or were they dragged kicking and screaming to the meeting because Governor Paterson has the power to ruin their plans?
Google ApolloSpeaks at Townhall.com to continue article
Why location, specifically 45 Park Place, is the issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/12/08/nyregion/MOSQUE_SS_6.html
“Parts of a landing gear from one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center on 9/11 broke through the roof and two floors. The Burlington Coat Factory had not yet opened, and employees were having breakfast in the basement. No one there was injured.”
Photo: Kukiko Mitani
[I do not understand why reporters and bloggers never mention this fact about 45 Park Place. THIS is why Rauf wanted the building, and why 9/11 firefighter and survivor Timothy Brown had taken up the stalled landmarking case from 1989. ]
Seeing this photo, and the satellite photo taken on 9/23/2001 posted at wiki (URL below) is what made me start seeing 45 Park Place as a 9/11 survivor and part of Ground Zero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Trade_Center_Site_9-23-01_with_Cordoba_House_location.jpg
A Masque Next To Ground Zero by Hal Lindsey
The plan is to build a 13-story Muslim mosque and cultural center literally only a few hundred feet from Ground Zero in lower Manhattan. The leader of the project, Imam Abdul Rauf, says that the mosque is intended as a gesture to build “bridges between faiths.” Another proponent claims that the mosque, which will occupy the site of a 152-year old building that suffered damage in the 9/11 attack, is really a “celebration of America’s religious tolerance.” Why would a religion founded on fealty to one law, one leader, and one god — a religion whose modern defining characteristic is its intolerance of all other faiths and traditions — actually “celebrate” America’s religious diversity. That’s the very thing Islam HATES about us. How could a religion that reduces women and girls to mere chattel and considers all non-Muslims to be second-class citizens conceivably “celebrate” a non-Muslim society that believes all humans are created equal in God’s sight? It’s laughable. Yet our leaders and the media-types have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. Are they that stupid or have they been intimidated into acquiescence? New York City already has more than 100 mosques. We’ve already proven that we really are an open, tolerant society. To say with a straight face that this is Islam’s celebration of America’s religious tolerance would be like the Southern Baptists building a church in Amsterdam’s infamous Red Light District to “celebrate” Holland’s sexual promiscuity. It doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t make sense.
I’ll tell you why the Muslims insist on putting a 13-story mega-mosque (which, by the way, will eerily resemble a World Trade Center tower) within earshot of Ground Zero. It will be nothing less than a traditional act of Islamic triumphalism. It’s a symbol of conquest. Although the Muslims have changed the name of the proposed structure to “Park 51 Mosque,” the campaign to build it is still called “The Cordoba Initiative.” For all of you Progressives, and Liberals who are supposed to be intellectual but who can’t change the oil in your own car (like Barry Barack Hussein), I’m going to share with you a short history lesson about the symbolism of “Cordoba” in the Islamic mind. And trust me, the Muslims are big on symbolism.
The world should know that the ‘Cordoba Initiative,’ the New York City based organization desiring to construct a massive Islamic house of prayer at ‘Ground Zero,’ has posted on its website, a peculiar and disingenuous statement indicating the desire to bring back the atmosphere of, “interfaith tolerance and respect that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony and prosperity eight hundred years ago.”
I point this out because contemporary scholarship has clearly demonstrated that there was no ‘harmony’ or ‘prosperity’ for non-Muslims in Islamic Spain. The Cordoba Initiative is attempting to revisit some sort of mythical “tolerance and respect” which never existed.
What is irrefutable is that living under Islam, the non-Muslim population was always mandated to submit to Islam, accept discriminatory laws, and make payment of a mandatory Quranic tax imposed upon every non-Muslim. For a period of about 800 years, most of Spain was ruled by Muslims and this area was known as ‘Al-Andalus.’ Islamic rule ended in 1492, when the city of Granada, the last Muslim kingdom in Western Europe, capitulated to the Spanish Catholics.
The Cordoba Initiative is an organization whose very name makes reference to what was, 1,000 years ago, one of the world’s most advanced cities, Cordoba, Al-Andalus (Spain). This was a city that was politically and religiously dominated by Islam, and a city that was conquered by jihad (holy war). Today, there are Islamic groups such as Al-Qaeda that have a dream of seeing a pan-Islamic world that would extend from old Al-Andalus (Spain). This is based upon Islam’s principle of dar-al-Islam, which means a world where Islamic sovereignty prevails over the citizenry. Dar-al-Islam is attained through jihad and the media is replete with Al- Qaeda’s calls for jihad and their claims to Al-Andalus and its major cities such as Cordoba.
Clearly, Islamic Cordoba was once a city where a number of intellectual Muslims such as Averroes (Ibn-Rushd), influenced European thought with Arab philosophy related to the scientific teachings of Aristotle. In mathematics, the Arabs built upon the foundations of Greek mathematicians. At one point there were dozens of free schools in Cordoba for the education of poor Arabs and at some point there existed some 600 mosques. However, even with all of this scholastic and societal grandeur, the route to get to such a point of magnificence was through violent warfare.
Not only were successive battles for Spanish cities bloody, but desiring more than Spain–the Arabs declared a jihad against France, then crossed the Pyrenees, and in successive swarms spread over the southern regions of the French countryside, slaughtering the Christians by thousands, and burning their churches to the ground before being halted.
We must remember that a practice associated with conquering Islamic armies was the construction of a mosque at the location where their triumphant battle was won. Thus, this modern Islamic organization is seeking to build a mosque at the site of 9/11 attack—an attack which was carried out by 19 Muslim hijackers who considered their mission holy war.
Insomuch, it is this man’s opinion that a Muslim house of prayer that would be cemented in the ashes of catastrophe at the foot of New York’s lost Twin Towers would be a symbolic victory flag for Muslims who seek the destruction of America. Further, it is my honest opinion that no matter how the construction of a mosque at ‘Ground Zero’ may be perceived by well-meaning Americans, the construction of a mosque on the spot where Al-Qaeda brought jihad to the United States will unquestionably represent victory to the worldwide forces of Radical Islam.