Learning to Love the French: When Sarkozy Spoke Truth to Obama
There’s plenty in French politics that the world could live without — thus, in 2003, when Jacques Chirac was president of France, Americans ended up ordering “Freedom Fries.” But the pendulum swings, and these days – credit France — we find French president Nicolas Sarkozy warning President Barack Obama that a foreign policy of denial and appeasement is the way to becoming French — and American — toast. During the past week’s meetings at the United Nations, featuring Obama’s “mutual respect” and global tyrants on parade, there came a moment at which Sarkozy opened his mouth on the big, big subject of nuclear crisis, and spoke truth to Obamaland. It got far too little coverage — so I reprise it here.
The setting was the special, summit-level Security Council meeting Thursday morning, chaired by Obama, in which the official topics were nuclear nonproliferation and disarmament for the entire world — but with no focus on any specific country. The meeting was advertised by the White House as “historic,” if for no other reason than that no U.S. President has ever before stooped to chair the often feckless and at times just plain sleazy UN Security Council — where the 15 members currently include Vietnam and Libya. For this particular occasion, Libya’s foreign minister attended (thus sparing the Council the risk of a replay of Qaddadi’s 96 minute performance the previous day on the General Assembly stage). The rest of the table was filled with presidents and prime ministers.
They began with Obama’s pre-packaged deal of unanimously adopting a ”historic” resolution, which Obama said ”enshrines our shared commitment to the goal of a world without nuclear weapons,” etc, etc. etc (All very nice, but what does this have to do with the real world?). Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon kicked off the ensuing round of official self-congratulatory huffing and puffing (“…a historic moment…a fresh start towards a new future”). The canned diplo-speak continued, as each member spoke in turn – Costa Rica, Croatia, Russia, Spain, Austria, Vietnam, Uganda, China … and then it was the turn of the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy. Here’s his wakeup call, in the UN’s translation from the French (boldface mine):
“We are here to guarantee peace. We are right to talk about the future. But the present comes before the future, and the present includes two major nuclear crises. The peoples of the entire world are listening to what we are saying, including our promises, commitments and speeches. But we live in the real world, not in a virtual one.
We say that we must reduce. President Obama himself has said that he dreams of a world without nuclear weapons. Before our very eyes, two countries are doing exactly the opposite at this very moment. Since 2005, Iran has violated five Security Council Resolutions. [Ed note: Sarkozy then listed international proposals for dialogue with Iran attempted in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.] I support America’s extended hand. But what have these proposals for dialogue produced for the international community? Nothing but more enriched uranium and more centrifuges. And last but not least, it has resulted in a statement by Iranian leaders calling for wiping off the map a Member of the United Nations. What are we to do? What conclusion are we to draw? At a certain moment hard facts will force us to take decisions.
… Secondly, there is North Korea — and there it is even more striking. It has violated every Security Council decision since 1993. It pays absolutely no attention to what the international community says. Even more, it continues ballistic missile testing. How can we accept that? What conclusions should we draw? …”
You can read President Sarkozy’s entire statement here (in all its Defcon 1 relevance to the disclosures Friday of another Iranian uranium enrichment plant hidden on a military base near Qom) – click on this link to Security Council meetings for 2009, then click on the link for “Meeting Record” of Sept 24th and scroll to page 12.
The words of President Sarkozy are enough for those of us who expect only ideology from the current occupant of the Oval Office. His response to what counters his ideology is to ignore it, or to twist it into something very different than what it was before the spinning started.
Thank you for shining some light on this story. Stories like this do not need to go under the rug.
Cheers.
Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amWP8FpLrtw
that a foreign policy of denial and appeasement is the way to becoming French
you ‘ll never become like French, you must learn to nuance first,
it isn’t for nothing that we were master of painting !
for you
it’s all bad vs all good
all clear vs all tricheries
all strong vs all weak
all surrending vs all fighting
think about Esope’s fable : “the torose and the hare”
Chirac wasn’t this denial appeaser, just that he had a different perception of the Arabs reactions, hhe also warn Iran that if it would use nuclear arms, it would not have time to launch them, an immediate retaliation would come to vitrify Iran !
BTW Sarkozy didn’t mock Obama, he just told the things like he feel them, and these feeling haven’t changed by us since Khomeyni accessed to power
1. Obama and his ilk believe in a fantasy land where everyone loves everyone and everything is happy happy joy joy, share and share alike, and no hitting, please.
2. Ahmajihad (whatever) and his ilk believe in a fantasy world where there exists no Jews, Christians, Israel, America, or anything resembling Western Thought; where Islam is supreme and anyone who disagrees is disposed of, post haste.
3. Maybe there’s some pretty little middle land where these two extremes can co-exist.
4. Maybe not.
5. Thank you Sarkozy for speaking the hard truth. Thank you Netanyahu for speaking reasonable, rational, and long-overdue clear truth.
Viva la France!
Obama is the first American president to articulate a coherent and credible nuclear policy. Finally we have a leader who is willing to announce an ultimate goal of eliminating nuclear weapons from the world’s arsenals, giving him the moral high ground to credibly call for other nations to step away from the nuclear precipice.
It is only within this new paradigm that it is possible to move forward with demands for other nations to also renounce these weapons. Before Obama, we were nothing but hypocrites. Now there is at least some hope that we can be honorable in our attempts to deny other nations these weapons.
Now Obama has set the stage for international cooperation – he has announced an ultimate intention that justifies denying these weapons to Iran, as well as shown conclusively that they have been acting in poor faith up to this point. There is a potential for this to be a turning point in US-Iran relations. Let’s hope for the best.
Peace.
DS
You are such a dreamer, in the real world this does not work, thu I must admit when I was in kindergarten we all got talked out of our luches to help the poor and we all felt hungry but good.
I assume you have given away all your worldly valuables to help the poor and the hungry as an incentive for others to follow.
Listen, these people arming themselves with nuclear weapons are sick, they will use them as they have already stated and there is nothing else they would want more than for the rest of the world to disarm so they could the control us, and by the way they will censor all forms of free speech as a great liberator that wanted to spread the wealth not long ago did in Cuba.
Marie Claude, your shortcomings in idiomatic English have caused you to take offence where none was intended. Ms. Rosett wrote that Sarkozy warned Obama that denial and appeasement is the way to becoming French and American TOAST. Here in America, saying that something is TOAST implies that it’s over, finished, destroyed, kaput. Therefore, Ms Rosett’s play on words is not an insult to the French – it’s using an American idiom YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND to talk about the dangers of appeasement.
Ms. Rosett admires Sarkozy and his stance on this matter. She never implied that he mocked President Obama – that was your inference, which was mistaken. Your imperfect grasp of our language has somehow led you to boast about French painters – which is irrelevant and lame – and insult Americans – which is rude and pointless.
Please try to read more carefully and do your research before you post on things you do not understand.
David S:
Respectfully sir, your ideas are out to lunch! Yes, unfortunately the world is full of hypocrites. We, on the now moral high ground, with our current lack of leadership and excess of puffery, will suffer for it.
Please. We get rid of our nukes, Iran and other countries will not. Period. Then we’re gone. Peace comes through superior firepower. Our government’s first job is to keep us safe. Nukes help with that.
It’s a strange new world when the french know that, and the US does not. I may need to parse up on my francais.
DS=Delusional Sycophant
Obama is a weak, waffling, indecisive nincompoop!
Get a grip David your high on false Hopium, you need a 12 step program.
Bravo Mr Sarkozy! You were coherent, thereby eclipsing the incoherent bumblings of everyone else at that UN Security Council meeting. But Mr Sarkozy, it was still only words. I believe that none of those so called leaders (including Mr S.) know what to do about Iran. I think that they have already assumed an Iran with nuclear weapons and are simply awaiting its arrival.
Only two Iranian enrichment plants?
I’ll bet my snow boots that there are more than two and that Barry O. knows it, courtesy of intelligence reports.
It will be interesting to see what his One-ness does now.
David S: Obama is the first American President to do a lot of things…..none of them in the best interest of the citizens of the US. Disarming and prostrating ourselves at the feet of the world is just about the lowest I’ve ever seen a President sink. Kudos to Obama for even topping Jimmy Carter on this one.
“Now that Obama has set the stage for international coooperation” as you so poetically wrote, Iran will surely hand over all the keys to their nuclear plants (known and unknown of course) toute sweet. Of course shortly thereafter N. Korea will get cable TV and a chicken in every pot too right David? It is Obama’s world now right?
“Let’s hope for the best” you say?? I say you’d better hope for the best. Anything other than peace and tranquility is going to sit squarely on Obama’s thin and wavering shoulders. How will you live with yourself knowing you might be one of the causes behind Israel feeling the need to defend herself? You claim you want “Peace” yet support an administration that is pushing the world to act otherwise. Peace at what expense David? Peace at WHO’S expense?
Just an FYI for your future reference, just because Obama has “announced” anything doesn’t make it so. (See Obama’s promise that unemployment won’t go over 8% post stimulus.)
David S.,
I do not think that the words “coherent” and “credible” mean what you think they do.
If only DS if only.
It’d be nice if saying was doing now wouldn’t it?
**Obama is the first American president to articulate a coherent and credible nuclear policy.**
Some folks need to stop sniffing glue.
Obama’s words on this matter are the equivalent of “asdfa wouoiuao ljlkpneif asldk lkerv cmopm okeibp bioaej wimuqco” — total incomprehensible gibberish.
11. David S:
Did you just cut and paste that blindness from somewhere? Obviously you didn’t read the article!
REFRAIN:
international proposals for dialogue with Iran attempted in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.] I support America’s extended hand. But what have these proposals for dialogue produced for the international community? Nothing but more enriched uranium and more centrifuges. And last but not least, it has resulted in a statement by Iranian leaders calling for wiping off the map a Member of the United Nations.
#11. David S.– Are you 15? Let’s all hold hands and make the bomb go away was never a “credible and coherent” nuclear policy outside of Haight-Ashbury.
Every Administration since Truman has been faced with the need to contain the spread of nuclear weapons. Well now that genie is out of the bottle, you can’t un-invent the bomb. Nukes are a fact of the 21st century and containing their use by rogue nations is the challenge. The one thing for sure is that the likes of Iran and N. Korea are not impressed with nuance.
For the US to be taken to the woodshed by the French President is ironic in the extreme.
Jesus wept.
Obama is worse than Carter. This time around, the Iranians WILL have nuclear weapons, and missiles with the range to hit several of our largest cities.
David S, I’m staggered by your statement above. I can’t quite believe you are sincere in saying it.
I, too, can stand on a podium and spout rhetoric that sounds magniloquent and far-reaching. But it’s only that: rhetoric. The point Sarkozy is making is that Obama has nothing concrete to back up his I’m-so-wonderful bloviating. How is he going to eliminate all nuclear threats and weapons? There are 3 ways:
a) by concessions and agreements
b) by force
c) by reason
Reason a) is what everybody else has been doing up to now anyway, so that’s no different, except that Obama doesn’t seem to be very good at it;
Reason b) is what Obama doesn’t want to do; so he’s reduced to
Reason c) which is hogwash, because as has been said above, North Korea has been ignoring what the West wants for decades, so don’t see why Obama would be anything new to them. Telling international leaders about your dreams isn’t going anywhere and is just plain embarrassing.
Anyone can ‘dream’ of a world without nukes. It’s the same as ‘dreaming’ about a world without poverty, without disease, without hate, without war. It sounds nice and makes the person saying it feel grand and noble, so they can look down their noses at people who aren’t saying it. It’s a kind of ‘look at me, I dream of the impossible, so I must be morally superior to you,” attitude, but it actually accomplishes squat.
The problem David S., is that if Obama has any moral high ground, it is only with those who share the same moral values as Obama.
There are those who believe the moral high ground is the destruction of the US and Israel, and Western values wherever they may be. For them, Obama provides a wondrous opportunity.
Hoping for the best is not a very good foreign policy. A foreign policy based on a naive worldview will only lead to violence.
David S:
Hey man, pass that stuff over here! I wanna toke! F
Yes, Sarkozy spoke truthfully, but why? I think it’s because he – and most of the semi-rational leaders in the west – are terrified that they might have to do something. In the past they could breathe a sigh of relief when the US would step up to the plate (Somalia, the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq) and act. They could huff and puff against our imperialism or cowboy mentality while inwardly delighted that America picked up the ball and ran with it. It was the best possible outcome. They could rail against the US, while we did the heavy lifting and protected them.
But now they see a President who actually seems to belief the utter nonsense that their universities, pundits, think tanks, and other high-minded people have pontificated about for decades. Diplomacy at all costs. War or violence is failure. There are no enemies, just people America has pissed off. Ultimately, America is to blame for [enter issue here.]
We all know the litany. So does Sarkozy, and he is shocked that Obama actually spouts this nonsense. That is not how American presidents are supposed to act! We’re supposed to take their crap in stride and defend them and the west.
No wonder Sarkozy is stunned.
“Obama… Peace”
[snicker]
Hey DS, you want to explain why, when a city bans handguns, the criminals don’t turn theirs in too?
David S, I assume that what you wrote is a parody.
But if it is not, would you answer a question or two?
If country A has nuclear weapons and all others do not, country A does not have to fear invasion from other countries and can even demand protection money from them.
Is it then in the interest of country A to give those weapons up under those circumstances?
Would a nation like Iran, or North Korea, or Russia, or Uzbekistan, or Pakistan ever lie about its possession of weapons or cheat on an agreement about them?
Do you expect rulers of foreign nations to act against the best interest of their countries?
A likely outcome of your dream is the Most nations espouse our President’s cause with enthusiasm and glee, hoping that all other nations actually disarm, except of course themselves, who will merely hide their weapons or even speed up their rush to develop them.
Those few highly ethical regimes who actually honor their commitments do give up their weapons, leaving all such weapons in the hands of dishonest governments that lie and cheat.
Each one of these may become convinced that it is the only cheater, in which case it will feel free to start a nuclear war!
Of course in reality everyone but you and our president will laugh at his speech and ignore it entirely!
I am afraid that reforming the world and creating Eden on earth requires much more than gestures and dreams of glory. It requires reforming the ethics of mankind and in fact it requires reforming human nature in its entirety.
That our president’s gesture will do that is really quite a humorous conception. I am glad he made it for all the fun it is causing! But what happens when everyone treats him like a buffoon or a nitwit?
Did he have to say this before an international audience?
Taking off all his clothes and streaking around the UN would have been less embarrassing!
DS — and Obama with him — is a fool. The problem is not “nuclear weapons”; the problem is the nature of regimes that possess those weapons. No one would fear New Zealand or Switzerland gaining such weapons (except for the theoretical point that a larger “club” would make it more likely that OTHER countries would want to, and feel entitled to, join it) — but Switzerland herself? Would anyone REALLY believe the Swiss would use WMDs in a first strike?
Can you say the same about the Mad Mullahs of Iran?
As long as regimes like the Iranian one exist (and they or ones like them always will), the US and her allies must maintain a deterrent nuclear force. If the current members of “the club” were to give up their nukes — say, next Thursday — then a week later 27 insane expansionist regimes would crank up their nuclear weapons programs to “11″ — because the value of a nuke program, with no effective deterrent or defense in the hands of their victims — increases immeasurably and the free world’s ability to check, block, or stop them decreases to zero.
Grow up, children. This is the real world, and it is and always will be a dangerous place where bad people do bad things. Kumbayas will not protect you.
I came across this quote in the excellent work of historical fiction by Alan Furst.
“The world wants to be deceived and I am ready to deceive them”
A. Hitler, Chancellor of Germany.
Nothing has changed since that terrible time.
David S #11
a turning point in US-Iran relations
Yeah, like June 12 1994, a turning-point in OJ’s and Nicole’s relationship.
Can anyone see the irony. The French President chastising the American President for being dovish.
Also: Does anyone remember Putin giving Bush a compliment a few months ago? The only thing Obama wants to do is put the former administration on trial.
This United States is upside down.
Acquiring nuclear weapons…(where determination and access to worldwide dealers in nuclear materials, like the guy AQ Khan used in Yemen, coupled with internet access seems to be enough to get underway) where Japan is thinking of re-thinking its post WWII (“never ever”) stance, where Egypt and Saudi Arabia and other ME countries are talking of nuking up in response to Iran getting closer and closer, where NK’s nutjob is selling and proliferating and wacky enough to set one off, along with the facility in the Syrian desert sponsored by North Korea that was destroyed by the Israelis, where Oogoe Chavez is talking just this week of getting uranium from his new best buddies in Iran (hard to imagine this alliance between religious nuts and the atheist Chavez…)…anyway, it seems like nuking up is the current big bad standard in creating the illusion of a macho and powerful country.
Certainly, Iran was thinking along those lines following Saddam Hussein’s invasion of that country.
I appreciated Sarkozy’s candor very much, just as I appreciated his candor when Barack Obama was in Europe sometime during the campaign (perhaps around the time of the Berlin speech) and Sarkozy reportedly said that the would be American President was naive on foreign policy issues.
When Chirac criticized Bush in 2003, the media couldn’t wait to report it. Now that a different French president has sharp words for the MSM’s pinup boy – *crickets.*
Good for Sarko. It’s a sad world though, when the French president has more guts and realism than the American.
“David S:
Hey man, pass that stuff over here! I wanna toke! F”
I normally ignore the intellectual shallow and immature David S. He appears to be a fellow in his mid twenties to early thirties. Perhaps even the majority of his generation are similarly ignorant of history. You might also wish to view Steven Crowder’s latest video. David S. might have been one of those students attending Berkeley.
“What more do we need to know about Iran’s projects and plans? I have visions of our political leaders climbing from the rubble of the nuclear blast, brightly aglow, riffling with radioactive hands through the latest report they are about to discuss, revising yet again their estimate of when Iran will get the bomb, and whether to consider fresh measures — after, of course, another round of talks.” (Ms. Rosett at NRO)
Nothing. This ongoing dance over all these years, El Baradei leading the pas de deux (yes, the IAEA has known about the QOM installation for a long time) has acquired almost laughable proportions.
Or it would be laughable if the subject weren’t deadly.
When the glittery eyed Iranian said at the UN a couple of days ago that Iran didn’t give a rat’s a$$ what western countries (he specifically mentioned Britain & France) had to say about Iran’s nuclear program, I was almost inclined to understand his point of view, given what Iran has gotten away with all these years while the international community wrote reports and wrung its hands.
I Obama naive or destructive? Everything he does (foreign policy, social policy or economic policy) seems to point to USA destruction. I am glad to hear Sarkozy speaks up and pointed out the shameless and spineless of the UN and wrong headed policy Obama is leading.
Read the whole thing. He’s dissing Bush, not Obama.
“Since 2005, Secretary-General, the international community has called on Iran to engage in dialogue. An offer of dialogue was made in 2005, an offer of dialogue was made in 2006, an offer of dialogue was made in 2007, an offer of dialogue was made in 2008, and another one was made in 2009.”
“What are we doing? What conclusions are we drawing? There comes a time when facts are stubborn and decisions must be made. If we want in the end to have a world without nuclear weapons, let us not accept the violation of international rules.”
Plus, you left out the best part:
“So, ladies and gentlemen, my dear colleagues, this is what I believe, in full support of what was decided in the resolution and in full support of President Obama’s initiative. What I believe is that by having the courage to strengthen sanctions, together, against countries that violate Security Council resolutions, we will give credibility to our commitment to a world whose future holds fewer nuclear weapons and perhaps, one day, no nuclear weapons.”
Darn French. So unpredictable.
Instead of fussing with the broken link Ms. Rosett provided, here’s a link to Sarkozy’s statement that works. No scrolling required.
http://www.franceonu.org/spip.php?article4170
I have a hunch that France and Saudi Arabia will lend material support to Israel, while Obama votes “present” like a putz.
Between 1914 and 1945 we had two global wars. Since 1945 we haven’t had one. Why is that? Because Obama, Putin & the Iranian leader, whoever he is, know that they personally, will be toast. Literally. No longer can national leaders send millions off to war and expect to die in bed. Nuclear weapons are the best thing since sliced bread to happen to the common man.
David S, stop wasting our time with your empty rhetoric.
You wrote: “Obama is the first American president to articulate a coherent and credible nuclear policy.”
–Really? What is that plan? ‘A world without nuclear weapons’ isn’t a plan — it’s a goal. A naive goal at that. And when your naive goal endangers millions of people, then it’s also immoral as foreign policy. No sanctions have worked against Iran and N. Korea — as they didn’t against Saddam’s Iraq — so what plan is there to deter these nations from continuing with their nuclear aspirations? Funny how Obama couldn’t answer that very question when a reported asked it.
You said: “Before Obama, we were nothing but hypocrites. Now there is at least some hope that we can be honorable in our attempts to deny other nations these weapons.”
—Before Obama we rightly believed in American Exceptionalism, and there was honor is forcing dangerous regimes to conform to civility — even if the cost was war. Obama has no answers, so he simply take the moral high ground because he’s incapable of using force even for good. He will lose the Afghan War as sure as he would have cost us the Iraq War had we listened to that moron.
You said: “There is a potential for this to be a turning point in US-Iran relations. Let’s hope for the best.”
–No, we won’t just hope for the best. Potential has always existed — way before Obama — but it hasn’t actualized. We can’t afford to see if Obama naive gamble works because TOO MUCH IS AT STAKE! But for Obama, all the risks are worth it when the payoff is re-election.
In Obama we have the first president in our great history that misunderstands what made us great, despises what made us great, and is more interested in his reputation than the safety and prosperity of Americans — of this nation.
He is a blight upon us, and 2010 and 2012 can’t come fast enough!
“Because Obama, Putin & the Iranian leader, whoever he is, know that they personally, will be toast.”
Your theory is viable regarding those leaders who value their own life. The problem with the Iranian mullahs is that they may prefer suicide! Dying on behalf of Allah will get them into paradise a little bit quicker. This world is perceived as something of a cesspool.
E.
you’re attempting to drown the fish, I perfectly can understand Ms Rosett words, you know I have been reading the kind of litterature about us from your side for years now. I don’t mean that she was offensive, just this referrence to us as denial appeasers, (I spare you the others qualifications you gave us) is so usual that people don’t perceive it as so anymore, even if the “hot” anger against us is over.
you call that playing on the words, sorry words mean what they mean when they are written ! there isn’t a special ponctuation that would NUANCE them
Ms. Rosett admires Sarkozy and his stance on this matter. She never implied that he mocked President Obama – that was your inference, which was mistaken.
All right, though if you check your other usual blogs, you couldn’t have missed that, as so Ms Rosett (ie Breitbart and Cie)
Your imperfect grasp of our language has somehow led you to boast about French painters – which is irrelevant and lame – and insult Americans – which is rude and pointless.
if I offended anyone , then I am sorry, but I was referring to the NUANCED “wether you’re with us or AGAINST us” and to the numerous bashings and hate (and boycott of the french products) against us displayed from your side during the last decade
So sorry, I didn’t understand that you were simply “playing on the words” then
Nuclear weapons are the best thing since sliced bread to happen to the common man.
are you nuts? i remember the pictures of the aftermath of Hiroshima, these shadows on the wall were once people on their way to work. i don’t think the bombs were anything close to sliced bread. lets just throw some cruise missles at amidinajad, and see if he sings a different tune. lets not kill millions just for one cockaroach.
Let me see now.
1. The French say Obama’s foreign policy is too unrealistic and timid.
2. The Chinese say his economic policy is not capitalistic enough.
3. Putin bent him over the sink and told him “Chris Matthews never gave it to you this way.”
Like most of the other european leaders, Mr. Sarkozy will do almost any thing to get a photo op with our new President. Numbers do not lie. Even in France, the numbers on American popularity have reversed since Bush left and Obama came on the scene. Its remarkable in that even in the most left leaning european countries, this American president is extremely popular and the politicians in those countries, even those on the right have fallen silent. Its amazing what difference a year makes. And Obama is smart as well, because he will expect and will probably get a pay back for those photo ops as well. And as most of you will surely agree, with the problems he faces, he needs all the help he can get.
44, Joe, well it would not have been the first time that Israel and France worked together. 1956, the Suez Crisis. I’d like to know your take on “Suez: The Lion’s last roar” by Chester L. Cooper, where the author points toward the dithering of Anthony Eden as what to do, and how Ike stepped in and the result was what we got, instead of Nasser being retired and a very different Middle East where the Soviets would have been peripherally involved. Instead of us having to deal with the dragon’s teeth that were multiplied thanks to the hammer & sickle, for there were dragon’s teeth before the Suez Crisis.
I think people like David S should find a street corner in a rundown, violent neighborhood, and shout out so all the assorted bullies and gangsters can hear: “I want us all to put down our knives and guns and love each other.”
Then all the David S people of this world can announce it was a new beginning, full of hope, and everything will be fine.
Now, if the David S mindset believes that’s all it takes, he can now safely move their family into that neighborhood.
See, problem solved!
Oh, dear! I wish I hadn’t read young David’s comment. It’s one thing, and expected if you have raised kids, to hear a well-meaning adolescent express ill-conceived views in tones of moral superiority. It’s quite another to realise that the President of the United States, an alleged adult, is not one jot smarter or wiser.
God help us all to survive Obama. Three more years and three months of waiting each day for the next episode of egomaniacal idiocy.
And what, pray tell, is Obama’s (D-UN) method for ridding the world of nukes? Unilateral disarmament is fine and dandy but a bit of a big first step.
As a sign of good faith, the first thing Obama should do is disband the Secret Service and announce he will no longer have a security contingent around him.
Then he should move about in a normal car (say a Ford Focus hybrid) or even better, use the subway.
After all, what could go wrong with disarmament?
The simple fact is that the so-called United Nations is a joke. It means nothing and accomplishes nothing.
Its representatives rape children. It helps no one in emergencies. It stops no wars.
It really is the perfect place for a Keynan to reign as president forever (HT, Hugo Chavez).
Lots of glitter. Palm fronds waving to cool the face of the Glorious High Leader.
But beneath the veneer lies corruption, death and misery; the people living in shacks without plumbing, electricity, roads or even food… all while the children sing of the glorious leader’s wonders.
Happy is the city that in times of peace
prepares for war – n. Machiavelli
11. David S:
“Obama is the first American president to articulate a coherent and credible nuclear policy.”
Coherent and credible?….give me a break. Where’ve you been for the last forty years, or the last eight months. Or did you just spring to life now, floating in on the half-shell right along side the messiah?(sound trumpets).
Get a life man, and pick up a book. You illness is Obama’s. You think a lot of rehtoric and utterly unsupportable statements will carry the day. Sorry, no sale. The wolves will rip out your throat anyway. As far as I am concerned that is no great loss, but I am concerned about my own throat, my children’s, my neighbors, my country’s. You want to feed the wildlife, fine. Move into the underbrush.
Take your drivel with you.
When the French are complaining about your lack of backbone, you know you have a problem.
These guys blattering over nukes in Iran are just shuffling air (the iranian president is not an antisemitic individual he is an anti sionist, and that’s different), this guy has courage and guts to resist to neo colonialists ….They are preparing a big scoop for us…just like their “bushy” peers and those beforehand did with WWII, Vietnam etc…wake up all, Sarkozy is just a zionist, Obama is a marionette and all of them are just doing what they are told to do by those who have the real power (i.e. money = rockefeller, rothchild, etc)….
The world governance is total nonsense and suppresses democracy and people sovereignty.
Find the truth, look for it for it is not in the government controlled mass media.
It has become increasingly clear to the rational people that have managed to remain uninfected by the nanny-state, rantings of the Leftist Wishkimpoops, that the UN has become a useless drain on US resources. Rendered toothless, it has become little more than a propaganda tool employed to diminish US standing in the world community, and deploy rapists to the far reaches of the world.
Kudos to Sarkozy, and boo to Obama. Stange times indeed, when the French become more coherent than the US.
E.
Apparently il y a des verités qui dérangent, mon post a été modéré !
I understand quite well what was written, I don’t contest that they weren’t intended as offensive but only the fact that one can still write them without doubting their foundment : these referrences have become your collective memory, and quoting them is like in a kids fairy tale were we are carricatured, and taken as not serious, but for it matters that history facts aren’t well enounced ! we weren’t these denial appeasers, that your people qualified as surrender-monkeys once upon a time, and call for a boycott of our goods
Sarkozy isn’t the alone soul of France, so, that says then that one has to talk in your lines to be respected !
Now, if I offended anyone with my “paintings nuance, I apologize, though this was a correct image to define how you see your alliees, and or your enemies, we had that impression that we were as much your enemis as your true enemis, this is why I insisted on nuances !
Hope I’m getting through the check point !
I’m piling on here, but–David S. writes,
“Let’s hope for the best.”
To which I can only respond, in the words of someone wiser than I am:
“Hope is not a plan.”
As David,Milford and the Obama gang sit in a tokin’ circle singing:
Qom boo ya, my homey. Qom boo ya…
Oh, how I pray that an adult comes in and takes the crack pipe away.
Adolescent tinfoolery that is going to get a lot of humans world wide killed in a big hurry.
At first I thought David S was writing the best parody evah. It’s bad.
You people are giving David S(chor) the most attention he’s gotten on on-line since his fingers first hit the keyboard.
Peace
Poor citizen (51):
There is not a US-allied leader in the world who would not trade in Obama to get Bush back in a NY second, while no US enemy can believe his own luck at having this dim-witted pollyanna to exploit for the next 3 years. As far as the people of western Europe are concerned, when they can tear their attention away from how to give away more of their souls for a little more vacation time, they will adore anyone who encourages them to go back to sleep and leave everything in the hands of their elite keepers. Try asking the Eastern Europeans or the Israelis what they think of Obama.
So David #11
How’s them bombs working out for ya?
No. 69 aramkr:
ahem (cough…)…
ummm…. I live in Europe dude.
However, you too can get information in just a few short easy clicks…..and reading some of the newspapers from “way over here.” then maybe you will realize that what they know and understand over in podunkville .. jus aint really right…it jus aint..
but hey, he only just started, there is hope for your argument in the future !!
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hang in there.
Obama needs to man up. Tell the nations of the world that we will not tolerate naked aggression. Israel is our only ally in the middle east and Iran wants to destroy it. Obama is not up to the task of being a US President. He never was and never will be. He has accomplished nothing but make us look foolish and drive us deeper into debt than we have ever been. Hope for change and quick.
“Try asking the Eastern Europeans or the Israelis what they think of Obama.”
Or the Colombians or the Honduran Supreme Court.
When the French are complaining about your lack of backbone, you know you have a problem.
Ummm, Byron dear, who do you think Monsiuer Sarkozy was speaking of when he said in the same speech (oddly enough not quoted here…) that:
“Since 2005, Secretary-General, the international community has called on Iran to engage in dialogue. An offer of dialogue was made in 2005, an offer of dialogue was made in 2006, an offer of dialogue was made in 2007, an offer of dialogue was made in 2008, and another one was made in 2009. But what did the international community gain from these offers of dialogue? Nothing. More enriched uranium, more centrifuges, and on top of that, a statement by Iranian leaders proposing to wipe a UN member State off the map.”
I ask you the same: What progress did the Bush administration make in the past 5 years to limit Iran’s development of nuclear weapons? Hmm????
How many more nuclear grade weapons has N. Korea developed since 2002?
Wasn’t it Saint George who struck a deal with N. Korea in 2007 promising to remove it from the terrorist nations, lifting its banking restrictions, and sending it a boatload of money in exchange for N. Korea providing a list of its nuclear program in 60 days? Yeah, that was a real good deal. For the N. Koreans.
John Bolton’s 2008 comment on Bush’s foreign policy summed it best: “The only good news is that there is little opportunity for the Bush administration to make any further concessions in its waning days in office.” Praise the Lord.
Pppfffttt. You people have the memory of gnat.
Man, am I ever glad I live in Texas. We’re out of range! (for now) I’ll always think of David S. as a little pink Unicorn, dancing merrily in a field of flowers…..while some guy with a 30-06 is slowly placing the crosshairs in line with his pink head. Gee whiz, where do these people come from? Listen Dave, nation states do whatever is in their best interest, including the US. They are not friends or pals or buddies. Think of it as a marriage of convenience. When their views coincide, they act together. When they don’t, they act against each other. Its a tough world out there full of hard-nosed leaders who won’t think twice about fixing our wagon the first chance they get. Get used to it.
How we stopped worrying and now we have accepted that an atomic war is almost unavoidable (or the advantage of posting much later (9/27/2:30 pm PST) than the Claudia’s very good insight in this situation 9/26/10 am – pobably EST)
Iran already shot a rocket, and will probably keep doing so – while Russia is certainly worried about this nasty neighbor (Iran) their chief geopolitical objective is the weakening of the US.
Therefore they will make no attempt to limit Iran’s agressivity – and China is pretty much on the same position.
Let’s praise the Nobel Prize committee for giving El Baradei the Peace prize – and since Obama’s likely to get the same reward for causing the incoming conflagration, all we can do is to get some booze and watch the next episodes on TV (hopefully we’ll be spared of direct strikes).
RE #45/Joe: [...] I have a hunch that France and Saudi Arabia will lend material support to Israel, while Obama votes “present” like a putz. [...]
Joe, don’t ignore Obama’s descriptive talents – his “present” button is now “We shall bear witness” -
Sarkozy for President! Hopefully Zero was listening… but I doubt it.
Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was an act of mercy- it broke the Japanese fighting spirit and brought a swift end to the war, averting the need for an invasion, whose casualties would have been at least an order of magnitude more severe and continued for at least a year. They also had the immeasurable benefit of demonstrating to the world what these bombs can do to actual people and cities, as opposed to testing mock-ups. That put the fear of God into every belligerent nation.
The poor ol’ empty-jalabiyah ideologue TelePrompTer pretender to the presidency, having never had an original thought nor been nor being capable of ever having one, is jam-packed-full programmed with and but projects the perfidious psychopathology that possessed his co-sperm-donor, Frank Marshall Davis and that evil bast**d’s every successor on the “scholarship” front — and that possesses his every minder/facilitator now.
Expecting that 0zero would see the world through the eyes of a person capable of even comprehending it, let alone of in any way positively influencing it, is like expecting Al-Fredo Gore-leone to have graduated diploma-mill-divinity school or to have ever gotten his Saigon-stockade soldier suit crumpled.
Or Michael Jackson to have contributed to the advancement of normalcy (AKA: “heterosexuality”) and/or of moral integrity.
Obama Kills Missile Shield In Poland And Czech Republic, Then Our Nukes!!!
TREASON AND SURRENDER!!!
Mr. Obama´s national security policies and other policies, as well, for US is foremost driven by a deep rooted hatred for America, intertwined with an egallitarian worldview as a socialist, in conjunction with the political correctness doctrine, therefore he let Iran to become a nuclear state – this is the Obama doctrine, but it can be halted if the Israeli Air Force (IAF) acts now towards the Iranian nuclear weapons complex.
Obama Kills Missile Shield In Poland And Czech Republic, Then Our Nukes!!!
TREASON AND SUURRENDER!!!
Mr. Obama´s national security policies and other policies, as well, for US is foremost driven by a deep rooted hatred for America, intertwined with an egalitarian worldview as a socialist, in conjunction with the political correctness doctrine, therefore he let Iran to become a nuclear state – this is the Obama doctrine, but it can be halted if the Israeli Air Force (IAF) acts NOW towards the Iranian nuclear weapons complex.
Not to mention that directly (atrocities) or indirectly (starvation after the Japanese stole their crops) the Japanese killed 300,000 Chinese a month that is more than Hirosima and Nagasaki combined. Add the victims in occupied Asia. Given that the landings were planeed in November and even if Japan had surrendered the very first day that makes about one million additional dead Chinese… and now, lefties, cryptocommies and euroweenies would be blaming America for through not using that miracle weapon causing those Chinese deaths.
Seville – Sarkozy was referring to the ACT of attempting to negotiate and reminding Obama that is doesn’t work.
Yes, here we have Obama, arrogantly announcing that he Delivers a New Mode of dealing with ‘Others’i.e., negotiation. And Sarkozy reminds him,
‘You twit…it’s been tried many times before and hasn’t worked’.
Oh, he didn’t say ‘twit’; instead Sarkozy told Obama to stop living in the ‘virtual world’, of words and rhetoric..and face the real world.
This, of course, is something that Obama is unable and unwilling to do. He lives only in rhetoric. Facts and reality have no place in Obama’s World.
While we should push to end all nuclear weapons in the world, it should be kept in mind that Iran will never launch missiles or bombs at Israel for fear of losing all support in the Middle East due to the inevitable deaths of Palestinians that would result from said attacks.
So when are we cutting refined oil to Iran ?
Money is missing there, right now, the administration clerics will get no wages in a few weeks, so we are expecting that the mobs (the true manifestants) will go in Tehran streets again, and will shout “death to the mullahcraty”, instead of “death to America, to Israel, to Russia, To Sarkozt or Mubarak…” ! (that depended on their theocrat comittees directives, where also Mussavi is a founding part)
That reminds me- one more thing: the invasion plan called for dropping seven nukes as tactical weapons on beachheads in advance of the invasion- a plan that was formed in ignorance of the concept of radioactive fallout. Had we gone with General McArthur’s idea, it would’ve been the biggest incident of death by friendly fire in American history; our own troops would have been poisoned to death by the fallout from our own nuclear weapons.
French gal: Just so we’re clear, I STILL avoid French products, which isn’t much of a reach when one gives it a try. Sarkozy or not, I’ll never forgive the French for the beating Chirac and your media gave “W” and Americans in general during his first term. France, the country totally reliant on American military airplanes to get their politicians and diplomats from point A to B. Last time I was in France, we flew into Nice because of the cheap rate. I bought a cup of coffee, a bus ticket to Monaco and didn’t look back. You are unnecessary in today’s world. Good-bye.
Mazzuchelli
yeah, you bought french coffee in Monaco served by French, poor guy !
should I call you a racist too ?
cuz that’s how some persons call people who hold boycott on Israel products !
Poor Citizen:
Europe is a good place for you. Over here in “podunkville” (I’m in New York, NY, perhaps you’ve heard of it.) we eagerly await the response of our goodly European allies to three of the requests your hero Obama has made of you: accepting the wretched victims of Bush’s injustice currently still languishing in Gitmo; pressuring Iran with serious sanctions to abandon their pursuit of nukes; notching up your contribution to the “good war” in Afghanistan. Once these meager tests of your esteem for our dear leader are met, I will acknowledge the genuineness of your love.
Marie, the difference is that people boycott the French because they are sick of the arrogant and ungrateful attitude the French project, whereas people boycott Israel because Israel refuses to implement suicidal policies.
myth, you are the creators of that “myth”, but your “hate” comes from earlier times, and finds its roots in England.
“arrogant and ungratful” is your remnent godwin argument !
besides, why should we make allegence to people who dispise us so much, and are jaelous of our independant spirit
only nations that have no personnality find convenient to have you as a big brother, but I heard that recently some of them are really disappointed !
Seville—I think you mistakenly believe that all conservatives and/or Republicans supported every decision of the Bush Administration. Wrong. GWB made lots of rather wobbly foreign policy decisions, especially in his second term. However, his instincts were pretty good and he NEVER palled around with the tyrants of the world. Well, OK, there was that lapse after gazing into Putin’s eyes a bit too long… :^D
It has been a looong time since the last time the children of the fatherland have marched against tirany and its bloody standard. However there will be more joy for one repentant sinner than for one hundred justs.
Vive la France!
ach, du lieber Gott, du bist französich !
wie so ?
Obama should be getting used to being faced with reality by now. Sarkozy laid it on the line last week. The Russians suckered him twice over. On warhead reduction Obama agreed to give up a third of Americas live missiles, Medvedev in return agreed to scap a third of his missile although The Pentagon and MI6 know half Russias missiles were obsolete. Again, the WH hailed Obama’s triumph in halting Russias plan to put missiles in Kaleningrad. but Russia never had a plan to put missiles in te Baltic enclave, they merely said they might think about it if Obama did not scrap the missile defence shield.
Netenyahu agreed not to build any new settlements in places Israel never intended to build settlements anyway.
India and China told him to get lost when he tried to tell them how to manage their country’s emmissions controls. And the EU leaders told him to but out when he announced that he wanted Turkey admitted to the European Union.
And yet still he manages to delude himself he is President of the World
Nein, Ich bin Eskimo. (cf movie “Have and Have not” ie Haben und Vaen nicht”)
alright, you dream of Bogart part. BTW he is Eskimo, aka l’Americano
“Haben und nicht haben”, what is “Vaen” ?
If Obama wants peace on earth, why does HE stop with the Bomb? Why not recommend every country get rid of planes, tanks, guns, knives, books on martial arts, and the use of mean words. Maybe he can eliminate the killer scourge of obesity by introducing a worldwide diet plan. Is he dumb or just painfully stupid?
It was “Haben und nicht haben” gone through the filter of my typing.
. One of my favorite films ever. The first leading role for Lauren Bacall, the alchemy between Bogart and her, many French fighting the good fight. Pity that the scene of the Marseillaise is not in it but in Casablanca that scene who despite having wteched it at least ten times ever moves me to tears despite my diamond hard, eeeeevil and French-hating heart.
JFM, tu nous adores, mais comme souvent tu es bourru, alors tu nous insultes, I’m getting to know how you’re fonctionning, it’s like in reverse psychology, one has to undersand the signs
Bad beviour by someone you love hurts more than by someone you don’t care about.
uh, if you really love that “someone”, then you don’t condamn this “person”, but try to understand why there’s such a bad behaviour, may-be it’s because you haven’t explained rightfully your true goals, which were difficultly understandable from our different perspective.
In any case, if you don’t caress the “beast” in the sense of its hair, and if you shout at it too, this entity beast is most likely enclined to tell you go f… yourself !
Bush jr hasn’t understood french psychology, he thought we ought to follow the herd, like the Brits, the Dutchs, the Poles… which were/are US satellits, logic’s ones for the Brits and the Dutchs… they didn’t need explanations, or were given some because of the language facilities, and their leaders personnalities.
None in the Bush administration made the decision to travel to Paris, to talk to our responsables, they found sufficient to whistle us, come here good dog, you owe me a service !
This was a deplorable no-attempt to convince a country that didn’t find the war justified in the first place.
Remember how many travels Churchill made to the US to decide Roosevelt to get involved in the european conflict, and UK was still that powerful empire at this time though.
Bush father had a better approach of the international relations and diplomaty, he convinced Mitterrand, a socialist, of the rightfulness of the “desert storm”, though we had not more motives to get there at this time than in 2003, Koweit wasn’t under our influence sphere.
So this insane quarrel between our countries came mostly because your people were too in hurry to show their Popeye arms, and that that we need more human relations from your administration to decide that we should assist you too.