Yes, We Cain
It was the day the rapture was supposed to come. The invocation came from the Old Testament prophet Isaiah. Herman Cain chose Olympic Centennial Park in downtown Atlanta to announce his run for president, saying: “I stand in the shadows of my upbringing as the son of a chauffer and domestic worker.” To the 15,000 supporters gathered in the 85-degree sunshine, he said the “skeptics thought no one would show up.” But he wanted to counter speculation that as a dark horse he is in the race only to lobby for a cabinet position in a future Republican administration. Athletes compete for first place and so is he, he told the crowd. Communist China’s economic growth looms, with the country predicted to be on par with the U.S. in five years if we continue at the current pace. With that comes of course military power. “I am not going to allow America to become number 2 economically or militarily,” Cain promised.
It could have been a tea party rally with the Fair Tax signs, the Gadsen flags, the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance, the patriotic country songs — but now there were also Israeli flags to indicate alarm over President Obama’s announcement on Thursday, before discussions with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Obama’s public demand for a return to 1967 borders was taken by many commentators as a diplomatic insult, a bullying tactic.
Cain hit Obama hard on all the issues on which he has disappointed voters, citing the high unemployment rate. “Hope and change is not a job,” he quipped. He referred to Obama’s $2 billion loan to Brazil for offshore oil exploration, saying he would never go to a foreign country, loan them money, and promise to be their best customer. He cited the Justice Department’s lawsuit against Arizona’s law on illegal immigration. “The last thing I will do is sue a state,” he said. Instead, he suggested, we send Arizona “a peace prize.”
News reports have referred to Cain’s weakness in foreign policy experience. He seemed to have that in mind when he said, “I know you don’t throw your friends under the bus. You don’t need years in the statehouse to know that.” The “Cain Doctrine” would be “If you mess with Israel, you’re messing with the United States.”
His last point was that the nation has slipped into being an entitlement society. Another memorable line followed: “We can take this from an entitlement society to an empowerment society.”
The Rapture did not come, I think. But then, how would I know? Do I know anyone fit to go straight to Heaven? Still, put up a prayer tonight, that Cain or someone like him can do what is needed.
Go for it!
One small problem: confusion. Cain and McCain?
And one possibility: Herman Cain and Alan West,
a dream team.
At first blush, the man has no massive, bazillion dollar campaign chest, the support of any major Republicans inside the good ol’ boys club or even even having received an invitation to watch *the tapping of Oprah’s last show. (*I guess being a favored black guy only counts if your a “liberal” black guy.)
All THAT, and he’s still referred to as *a dark horse. (Again, not a descriptive I’d select for a black guy, but apparently it’s OK for use on a conservative black guy.)
See how that stuff works?
In the end, he may not have a chance at ducking in under the wire and bagging the Republican nomination at the end of his kick. Then again, the same was said about that old dude named Reagan pre-’80. And look how that turned out. Fact is,kids … it’s still waaay too early to make the call, but in my mind there’s always a chance to pull off some kind of a last minute photo finish, finally lead to the winner’s circle by the great grandson of Seabiscuit and last season’s even DARKER horse outfit — Tea Party. Last time I checked the paymaster, THAT last ride paid off the Republicans at about 3 to 1. And in that race, the House won.
I realize Herman isn’t actually a race horse with some kind of funny, memorable name. But if he WAS, “Cain Mutiny” might be a nifty handle. THAT along with a 105 pound jockey decked out in red, white and blue silks sounds like a winner to me.
Hey, it could happen. But ‘ya never know till you begin dreamin’.
Clearly, Cain has vaulted to the front of the pack. More, he seems to be the sort of man we want. Now let’s anticipate how the opposition will attempt to delegitimize him:
– No experience in elective office;
– Likely to be “too friendly to business;”
– “Extreme,” of course.
Remember: Republicans never get an even break. If the Left and their media sycophants can come up with worse, they will use it. So: Is it possible to blunt these shafts before they’ve been hurled?
From what little I’ve read about Mr. Cain, I doubt you’ll have to worry all that much. He has a quick wit and he comes up with some mighty fine retorts.
Mr. Cain appears to be an admirable man.
BUT WHEN was the last time (except 1980-88) Americans elected a President they could be proud of. Dependent on selection of candidates for them by the nominating committees of the exclusive gentlemens’s clubs of the Political Parties. Self-interested, often unprincipled /unethical, some even criminal, whose major goal appears to be power to rule, rather than privilege to serve citizens of the US. Exemplified by failure of their selected candidates once elected into office to honour their oaths of office. The OATH they each and all swear when accepting the contract of representation: to Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the USA. Some evidently consider oaths, personal and public, as mere necessary ritual.
Recent publicity suggested that members of the present Congress know virtually nothing of the Constitution, despite their sworn oath.Copying? the get out clause of the present incumbent of the Oval Office,permitted by Congress and Judiciary with purview to control overstepping limits by ANY officer of the tripartite segmentation of the Federal Government, to dismiss with gesture/speech the legal limits on his powers, that the Constitution is “defective”. Of course, if a legal document is “defective” it excuses non- adherence to it.
America was established as a nation of citizens SELF-GOVERNING via representation. Citizenship requires adulthood, reason,responsibility, understanding AND KNOWLEDGE of the world,its possibilities and limits. It does NOT mean that citizens bully and confiscate assets of other citizens to benefit ONLY the chiefs and members of their “gangs”/unions/political party dependents. American government officials are REPRESENTATIVE NOT RULERS. No matter which self elected groups of “best and brightest” or establishment Media stars and their followers name themselves the “elite”. America is the example par excellence of the promise given in freeing the “common man” from dependence on and rule by any type of “royalty”. Mr. Cain seems to have understood this and lived his life adhering to these quintessentially American precepts.
Americans having ceded Self-governance to self-serving, destructive “representatives” of Political Parties, destructive of the meanng of America, have lost, misplaced America. Where is America now ?
Well said JoJo – well said.
Nice to hear a man like Caine, remind us that this is a Republic, a representative government of those elected to serve and do so honorably so that trust is again bound by integrity. We need to monitor our representatives and have them know we are the reason they hold office.
Bear in mind that most of the attacks will come from within the stupid party since mittens has been chosen by the inside the beltway / establishment ‘leadership’
An important observation! That will make party unity, and a leadership willing to enforce party discipline, as important as the selection of the nominee himself.
Something to write to your local county and state GOP chairmen about, I’d say.
“That will make party unity, and a leadership willing to enforce party discipline, as important as the selection of the nominee himself.”
Yeah, I’m looking forward to Republican “leadership” enforcing party discipline the way they did with Lisa Murkowski who lost Alaska’s GOP Senatorial nomination. Not only did they do absolutely nothing to discourage her scam of a write-in campaign, they helped finance it. They ignored the chosen candidate & actually worked against him. Remember, only conservatives have to follow the rules, step aside for “establishment winners” & keep promises they made about respecting the “peoples’ choice” in the primary.
W. Porretto,
The left will come at him for being a Christian loon. That may not hurt him in the Primary….. but it will in the General.
I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the power and reach of evangelical Christians in this country – if they get behind Cain (who will probably collect Huckabee’s supporters), we may just have a real race in 2012. Just because the mainstream media dismisses Christians and evangelicals, doesn’t mean the candidates do the same.
NWBill,
I’m not so sure. How many Evangelical voters do you suppose there are in this country? I suspect GW Bush got just about all of them and eked out victories both times. I doubt O’Bama is counting on getting any of them. The only risk for a more agnostic Republican candidate is that the evangelicals will just stay home. But the perception of a staunch Christian Candidate will drive a significant number of Independents over to O’Bama. How Christian is Cain anyway?
Oh, there are lots of them. And, don’t forget the Catholic and Jewish voters, too … two more groups Obama has antagonized and pissed off in the last two years – the Jewish voters, especially. Think of these groups as religious voters in general; their combined influence and numbers will definitely make a difference. Don’t forget; Kennedy won primarily because of his support from the Catholic voters in the country.
Cain has Baptist roots, similar to Huckabee’s … but that’s not really important in most ways .. because no one’s dumb enough to disparage a candidate’s religion in this country. And … he’s not over-the-top with it; he’ll share it with you if you ask him about it, but he doesn’t hit you over the head with it. Most people appreciate that in their candidates for any office.
NWBill, I agree with you mostly, but I would have to say that, unfortunately, many of the Jewish voters in the USA have a death wish. It appears that they will vote for anti-semites and will support the enemies of Israel. I don’t understand it at all, but there you go.
@ “– No experience in elective office;”
Did Obama have any experience besides that of community organizer?
Of course he did. He was a U.S. Senator for almost 2 years and voted in attendance almost every time (when he bothered to vote at all).
The news just got better for Mr. Cain. Mitch Daniels decided not to run. And let’s face it, the reason he decided not to run was he knew how the Obama hacks & partisans in the MSM will destroy whoever the GOP nominee is.
The leftist media is making damn sure to fix this election before it even begins.
Mitch Daniels decided not to run because his personal life will not withstand scrutiny.
Oh really Tolbert,
Do you know something the rest of us don’t?
you mean the part where daniels’ wife left him and his family to go to california and hook up with some high school sweetheart? then, when that failed, came back to daniels and family to pick up where they left off?
Certainly a man’s wife divorcing him, marrying someone else, then divorcing that second man and returning to her original partner is a scandal that no Republican can overcome. Or maybe he could….
More easily demonized is the ’90s merger of IPALCO & AES Corp., where Daniels was on IPALCO’s board and the IPALCO officers and board members walked away wealthy while IPALCO investors–which included the pensions of many IPALCO employees–got the shaft. Muckety-mucks make out like bandits, the working man loses his shirt–typical Republican chicanery. There is no doubt the Democrats would have glommed onto that if Mitch had opted to run for president in ’12.
I like Mitch Daniels very much and he has certainly been good for Indiana, but it would have been disheartening and depressing to watch the Left’s efforts to crush him.
daxypoo,
I think he could overcome that. I’m not sure his wife could stand the scrutiny. Polly’s point about IPALCO may have been of more significance.
Nope…the part where Indiana just nullified the 4th. Amendment might be a hard pill for any patriot to swallow.
Good point, Abdul, but at least that wasn’t Daniels’ doing–though I believe the opinion was written by a justice he appointed.
This one should go to the Supreme Court. Preferably before The 0 appoints any more justices. (Though now that I think about it, he and his ilk have never liked the police; they might just want to make them a little less powerful.)
The best laid plans…..
~ Jas 4:13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.~
No doubt that you are right about the intent but that is not yet victory. We need to look at our wants through the eyes of our neighbor’s so we may see what is good and what is not good. We say the oil companies make to much profit and praise the government for taking that profit to waste while depriving us of the fuel to power our vehicles. Is it in our interest to impoverish business to the point they cannot provide the services we want? Our wealth is in our production. It is not in our finances. The government cannot take the legitimate rewards of business to finance the wants of entitlements.
Business, by hiring help, is providing the capital to buy the products and without that capital demand must dry up. Government cannot produce that capital so when they take it from those who do produce capital then neither the business or the government have the needed funds for their operation.
I don’t know if Mr. Cain has a chance but I do know if the American people decide to re-elect Obama, they are saying (in their ignorance)that want decline and possible collapse of our Republic.
AGREED!
Hmmmm, let’s see, another “rags-to-riches” story about an African-American rising from poverty and obscurity to become a leader in his community. Where have I heard that one before? Look, although I like Herman Cain as a person and as a role model for young kids, that’s way different than thinking he would make a great president. Um, America elected a guy who could make a good speech, too, during the last election, and how did that turn out for us? America elected a guy with no major government experience during the last election, and how did that turn out for us? And even though people like Cain, Trump, and Ross Perot (remember him and how “well” he did) can run a major business, running a business is way, way, different than running a government, where you have to not only deal with an opposition party, but where you also have to listen to the voters as well. In a business you can do whatever you want. In government, you can’t. And the two businesswomen who ran for Senate and Governor in California didn’t fair too well in the last election, either. Remember that.
So Herman seems like a nice and good fellow, but he’s no president. We need a credible candidate with at least some government experience to show that he or she is NOT the next Obama, the last guy who got elected with no experience at all.
You leave out one significant fact: Obama had NO experience in anything, nothing, zero. Herman Cain has been a top executive of Coca Cola, Pillsbury, Burger King, and Godfather’s Pizza. There is plenty of politics involved in the climb up the corporate ladder. The first nine months he worked for Burger King were spent flipping burgers in a BK restaurant so that he could learn the fast food business. (Can you imagine Obama doing that?) Herman Cain has managed employees and met a payroll. He turned his Burger King region around from being the worst performing region in the country into the best performing region. He brought Godfather’s Pizza back from the brink of bankruptcy. He’s articulate and genuine. He also displays something that adolescent, narcissist Obama cannot: Herman Cain is comfortable in his own skin, which gives him a balanced and dignified confidence in himself. The other candidates in the republican field, except Michelle Bachmann, are so completely lackluster–yawn…. I also believe that no white person can beat Obama. Cain would be able to tell black audiences how the democrats have kept them on the government plantation for over a hundred years. No white person can do that. Give Herman Cain a chance. Or would you rather have a Tim Pawlenty? Or a looney Ron Paul? Ugh.
bravo!!!!
“Liberty”; You can’t get to the level of management Cain has without being forced to deal with government policy and regulation.
And anytime the crash and burn media criticize him, we can blurt out racism just like they do whenever we criticize their boy Obama.
There’s virtually no comparison between Cain and Obama. All Cain has to say is that he’s a self made man. Then watch Obama slither away on his belly in embarrassment.
Cain says the right things. the only problem I have is his Fed Reserve background. If he can answer those questions then I would say yes.
…like Thomas Sowell said during an interview …( the interviewer asked what would you replace the FED with ? …Thomas Sowell said “what would you replace cancer with?”)
Seems to me the best thing Cain can say (and do) about the Fed is to promise it to Ron Paul if elected; let the guy who wants to shut the thing down, run it in order to do just that … shut it down in the best, most economical way possible.
Then, give him another job after that, if he wants it.
That is such an excellent idea. I sure hope Herman Cain is our next president. A man of principles and honesty.
Here is his reply re the Fed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Mqie_h9uU
You left out another significant fact Libertyship46,
None of the business people you mention have ever been successfully elected. Perhaps it’s about time the voters wake up and put an executive in the highest Executive office. Wouldn’t it be refreshing to elect someone who isn’t just telling us what they think we want to hear? Every politician I see out there, including the Republicans, with the exception of the looney Paul, places getting elected above telling the truth.
Liberty, you are simply wrong.
Obama’s main defect is that he had no EXECUTIVE experience. He never was in charge of ANYTHING. He is the prototypical, lifetime politician. Cain, in stark contrast, can hammer away at his many, many years of executive experience, solving problems, providing leadership.
As far as having to answer to voters, Herman Cain has had the best experience of all: he has had to respond to CUSTOMERS. Customers can’t be bought off with stimulus $$ or the business goes under. Cain had to figure out a way to win over customers while turning a profit. That’s the best experience you can have viz President.
Maybe it is time to give a business man/woman a try at handling this country. God knows I’ve had enough of the career politician and their bumbling ways – have you?
The sad fact of who and how campaigns are funded is what is seriously wrong with our country. Until lobbyists are outlawed from DC and its outskirts we will have this corrupt system and there is little chance of changing it with career politicians running things. I doubt Cain could change this but you never know what might happen with a business person running things for a while.
We’ve collectively bemoaned the general condition and trajectory of our country for a very long time – and have blamed it mostly on the ‘old white men’s club’. Now that we’ve put a black man in office who is also a career politician we know it wasn’t just old white men that have put us into this nose-dive. Seems no matter the color we have a problem. The common denominator with all presidents have been that they are career politicians – ones who have hit the pinnacle of their career path no doubt – but I submit that without exception they come with strings attached to the job of president.
Would a President Cain come to the job without strings attached? I highly doubt it – but he just might make decisions based on business logic rather than political logic – which we all know makes no sense at all unless you can follow the money trail.
What have we to lose at this juncture?
You have to be kidding. After Obama, anyone is qualified. Is there is anyone in consideration that is less qualified than Obama?
Good point.
Then again, can we find anyone less qualified than Obama that the communist media will emulate above Obama?
Yes…they loved Jeremiah Wright.
There are very few people who are less qualified than Obama. I’ve never been an executive of any sort, was pretty much a failure the only time I tried being a supervisor and I consider myself better qualified than he is for one particular reason… I am a patriot and can read and understand English. I would follow the constitution and abolish the hundreds of illegal executive orders that have been put in place by former presidents. I would veto any unbalanced budgets. I would fire any judges it was within my constitutional power to fire if they didn’t follow the constitution. I would do my best to abolish foreign aid to countries that hate us if not altogether. And on and on. Sure, I would probably be a lousy president but almost ANYONE would be better than Obama. Any honest person would be better. Herman Cain would be so much better than Obama that it would turn everything around. And Goergians would have expunged the embarrassment of their last president.
Ok, that’s more than one reason. I meant the one reason is that I’m a patriot. The other stuff is just supportive, yeah, that’s what I meant.
John Dickinson, the ‘Pennsylvania Farmer’ and one of this nation’s (reluctant) founders wrote: “Let Experience be our Guide. Reason may mislead us.”
We have been misled by politicians and academics whose knowledge of how the economy works is theoretical. Cain has real executive experience in the real economy that is worth more than any political experience. As he has said, there are plenty of politicians in Washington and “How’s that working out for you?”
A quote from Elihu Root: “The great difficulty in the application of pure reason to practical affairs is that never … does the reasoner get all the premises which should affect the conclusions; so it frequently happens that the practical man … who feels the effect of conditions which the reasoner overlooks, goes right, while the superior intelligence of the reasoning man goes wrong.” Cain knows this. Witness his refusal to make pronouncements on classified matters. He is a fortunate combination of intelligence and the practical. We are exceedingly lucky to have him.
Love your post. Let experience be the guide. That is conservatism pure and simple.
You’re kidding, right? Herman Cain is the best candidate and the right antidote for Obama precisely BECAUSE he doesn’t have any government experience. As he says when people bring up that point, “How’s that working out for you?”
I can’t believe, after the last two years and the election that prompted it, that there are still people in this country who think that only someone with previous government experience can be President. That’s elitist and snobbish to me; you might as well say that only Harvard graduates can be President.
Cain’s run BUSINESSES – he knows how to make decisions, manage people, and get results … all three of which are things Obama fails at so miserably. And Cain immediately bonds with people; can you say the same for Obama?
After suffering under a Marxist “community organizer,” why wouldn’t this country benefit from a no-nonsense, practical-minded, educated thinker (he has degrees in both Math and Engineering)?
Herman Cain is the MAN Obama wanted to be. For that alone, I’d support him. The contrast between Cain and Obama is stark.
Fortunately, there are plenty of other reasons to believe in him. Listen to the man speak, look at his platform, research his background. He is a mathematician who has worked with the military, a businessman who has turned businesses around from the brink of bankruptcy, and a real American with excellent grasp of how morality and ethics affect our nation. His one weak spot is foreign policy – but lordy, surely he can do better than the Obull in a china shop! He does know enough about it to know he is no expert and will require help. While some parts of his platform scare me (like replacing all personal and business income tax inc. FICA with a 23% sales tax – yike!), I can’t find any reason to disagree with him; we need the tough medicine he’s ready to dish out.
The fact that he’s a businessman and not a lawyer is very appealing to me. We need someone to get our fiscal house in order.
My only conern is that he has represented and eaten junk food all his life – he needs to get healthy and eat lots of veggies, raw food and have a fresh-squeezed carrot juice every morning.
He should do it now because soon the allopathic doctors are going to develop a new disease called “healthy eating syndrome” (as they did with ADHD etc.) which will make it a disease to focus on healthy food, with mandatory drugs eg for minors as is already the case for other fantasy diseases the poisoners have invented.
Anyway, much success to the Cainman.
He must be doing something right because apparently he’s at or near the significant five-year milestone with stage IV ca. It made me wonder if perhaps he *has* changed his diet to eliminate carcinogens and include naturally-occurring known cancer fighters. In any case, whatever he’s doing, I hope he keeps it up. He’s achieved a redoubtable human achievement…and I think he’d make an excellent POTUS. I also hope everyone so inclined will pray for his continued good health and divine guidance as a person who might be able to fill the role of the *leader* (“not a reader,” as he quipped in reference to O) that America desperately needs. To compare him unfavorably with Obama is to do the man a great disservice, *and* overlooks what for me is the key difference, among *many* others in the “basic human dough” category, which no amount of experience on earth can remediate: Cain *loves* America, and thinks we’re the greatest country on earth. He is a builder, not a destroyer.
Mario,
Seriously, isn’t that tinfoil on your head getting a little tight?
Gee, I thought this was still America, where people had the freedom to eat junk food if they wanted… or even the freedom to sell it!
I guess when the “rapture” happened at 6 last nite, I was transported to some totalitarian country where only people with Government-Approved Diets can be considered for high government posts.
you are not allowed to say that.
Oh Yes he is… LOL
I could be wrong but I believe Mario’s comment was tongue-in-cheek, facetious. It’s a dangerous thing to do in any Comments section, since the comments of The Left can be almost indistinguishable from those of a conservative who’s being facetious.
That’s weird … how do you know he’s eaten junk food all his life? Just because he ran Godfather’s doesn’t mean he’s a junk foodie. And don’t you think, after facing the medical issues he has, that he’d immediately change his diet and eliminate whatever things in it his doctor recommended? I would (and have, as a matter of fact).
Let’s not assume things about our candidates – let’s not make the mistake of 2008, when people voted with their hearts and perceptions instead of their heads.
Use your heads, people – do the research, and don’t walk in that voting booth in 2012 without having done your homework!!!
The Media will eat him alive, pun intended
If he DIDNT eat junk food all his life, then he’s “sold unhealthy sickness and diseases” to others while never allowing himself to be exposed to it.
If DID eat Junk food, and he’s eating healthy NOW, well then he’s just evil. KNOWING what made him ill, and not crusading against it? Continuing to PROFIT from it with his Stock Options, Investments, and Connections to the evil “fast food industrial complex”? Unforgivable!
Also, his “business leadership” credentials will become a liability as well. The media will focus on the (Michael Moor style) Pay Differential between his CEO Compensation Packages, and a foreign tomato picker that supplies the sauce for his frozen pizza. How a year working the fields paid them as much as he spends on his weekly Gym Membership.
Grass/mud hut verses Atlanta McMansion…I can SEE the documentaries already.
The media will always give a platform to left wing advocates as “experts” when they need to stack the deck against an oponent.
Remember Cindy Shehan?
How about those “earth first” experts on Oil Well Safety?
Anti Nuke protesters called in as “engineers” to access Japanese radiation?
I love the guy, but he’s toast
“If” he what, WHAT?? Sounds to me like you’re branding him guilty whether he ate fast food, didn’t eat it, felt guilty for eating it, or felt guilty for eating it but not crusading against it.
Maybe you should take your root out of the questionable soil its’ apparently in and try to simplify your way of thinking.
Or just stop listening to the wrong media …. I suggest, in no particular order, Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh … or maybe Rush Limbaugh.
I really hope that what he was doing is giving us examples of what the leftist liberals will say about Herman Cain during his candidacy. We need to work hard and spend our money to get Herman Elected. Regardless of naysayers. The survival of our country depends on Obama not getting re-elected. I see Herman as our best hope.
The more I see and hear from Mr. Cain, the more I like. Nobody is perfect, and I am going to need to see a lot more from him and all the other candidates. But one thing is for sure; we cannot allow the make-believe-media, the leftists and the establishment Republicans to choose our candidate. So for now the field of Cain, Bachmann, Bolton, Palin, West, Perry, RAND Paul would be a great pool to choose from.
Palin is the ONLY choice: experience, with real chance. The others are just last minute posers.
So what happens if the Sainted Sarah isn’t the nominee? What will YOU do then?
Will you vote for the GOP candidate, regardless of who he or she is, or will you sit at home and pout and let Obama skate to a second term?
That’s the big question… and your answer… or lack thereof… will say a lot about you and your attitude.
Wonderful – another ‘pick your poison’ election? You might be right. I failed to pull the lever for McCain (nor Obama – I didn’t cast a vote for POTUS) – I won’t be doing the same in 2012. I can’t speak for Carmelo Junior but here is how I reasoned it in not voting for McCain: I figured he’d be a GW Bush lite at best. And 4 years of McCain would have gotten us slaughtered in the House and Senate in 2010 – exactly like the Democrats got it in 2010. I can’t prognosticate how that would have played out but I think it would have been worse that the route we’ve taken to 2012. Would a Hilary Clinton candidacy in 2012 with a flood of new Democrats in the house and and a super majority of maybe 62-65 dems in the senate scare you? I think that is how it would have turned out – with the Republicans on the ropes and trying to defend the status quo (GW Bush lite).
Now all we need to do is get a decent conservative elected. We don’t need another McCain and the best way to insure that is to telegraph early and often to the idiotic GOP power brokers that very message.
Good.
Now I know who to blame if Obama slides through to victory because people like you couldn’t be bothered to get off your butt to vote for his opponent.
ConservativeWanderer
Maybe a little reading comprehension would help you. No matter who the Republican nominee is I will be voting for them. If it is a RINO I’ll hold my nose and swallow the poison. Something tells me that is what I’ll be doing in Nov 2012 based on the candidates the MSM have scared off – Daniels being the latest. They’ll wait for the field to firm up before going after the RINOs. I know their game plan.
So tell me – how would things have been better if McCain had been elected?
I think I outlined perfectly what would have happened – we’d be starting the downhill slide now in response to the 2010 elections instead of two years ago. The Dems would have held the house and made gains in the senate in response to a tepid McCain – and that slide would have gotten worse in 2012 when Hilary got elected with a landslide for her and for the Dems in the house and senate. McCain would have lurched more left than he is now in a vain attempt to stem the slide. Not likely that he could get re-elected had he won.
Like I said – and I’ll repeat it as often as need be – I’m very happy McCain didn’t get elected POTUS.
Would McCain have signed ObamaCare?
Q.E.D.
You need to quit drinking the tea party Koolaid. Sarah Palin doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell in the General Election, much less most of the primaries. She’s damaged goods. Nothing more than a attention whore, a quitter, and clueless. She is the right’s Obama. And I for one, do not want another clueless idiot in the whitehouse. Neither do most people. She can’t even gather double digits in polls. And she has almost as much a problem with keeping her mouth shut as Gingrich. We need a REAL leader, not a mouthpiece.
Mike,
Harsh words for the former Alaskan Governor. Can you write some specifics supporting your allegations?…….. Besides the low poll numbers and her resignation from the Governorship?
Sounds like someone needs to stop drinking the lamestream media Kool-Aid about Palin; people who think she doesn’t have a chance apparently pay attention to nothing but liberals and the media who lap at their feet.
I suggest that you read her books (if you haven’t).
Then I suggest you consider the possibility that if she can’t win, it’s because certain people buy into the lamestream media’s contrived image of her – because they don’t have the smarts to think for themselves.
Yes, NW, it IS the lamestream media that have branded Palin in all sorts of negative ways, and they had to work their buns off to do it. But the fact remains, they HAVE done it. It would be incredibly difficult for her reputation to climb out of the hole it’s in.
Uh oh. He just said something stupid:
I Wish Herman Cain Hadn’t Said That
Claire Berlinski, Ed. · 49 minutes ago
I understand just what Sarah Palin means when she says, “I like Herman Cain, even hearing his name.” I’m one of the many people who had never given a moment’s thought to Herman Cain before the first GOP debate, but who came away thinking, “Goodness, he’s likable.”
But alas, I don’t think he’s ready to be president. Since we’re talking clueless comments about Israel, here’s one that should really make people think:
“The right of return?” he said. After Wallace explained the Palestinian demand to return to the homes they were “thrown out of” [sic!] in 1948, Cain said that would be negotiated between the Israelis and Palestinians. “I don’t think Israel has any problem with Palestinians’ returning,” he said.
I feel a bit crushed, actually. I like him and want so much to like someone. But that’s too clueless.
J.J. Sefton,
I agree completely. The Palestinians should never be allowed back. They don’t deserve it. They would abuse such a privilege by using it to attack Jews while hiding behind the skirts of their women and children. They can move to Syria, Jordan or Egypt and spew their hatred at each other and others as hateful as themselves.
Actually, Cain is a reasonable man. I think the Middle East was probably not top-of-mind for him, but now that he is in the public eye, I would think he would stand firmly with Israel. Considering the brain-trust of Captain Training Pants and Sheriff Joe, Cain (really anyone) will be fine.
Then again, he was a director of Fed…
To me it says a very great deal that not one Arab nations is or ever has been willing to provide a home for the Palestinian refugees!
C’mon, countries like Saudi Arabia & Egypt are only tiny specks on the map & Israel is vast & expansive. It would be just plain greedy & insensitive NOT to give millions of “Palestinians” a few spare acres where they can construct things that go BOOM.
J. J. I am inclined to agree with Herman Cain on the return of the Palestinians. The issue is contrived and does not address the real problem. The whole Bible teaches that man is a divided creature with part tending to the flesh and part tending to the spirit. That is also true with Palestinians. If they choose to walk in righteousness why would they not be acceptable? This they do not choose to do. It is the same as with Cain when the Lord warned him sin lieth at the door. We do not have a problem with Mexicans,most can be very likable on an individual basis but we do have a problem with illegal immigrations that is mostly Mexican. The problem is not that they are Mexican but that they are illegal. We need to accept our dual nature and rule over the less desirable part. That has never been overly popular.
Whit,
Walking in righteousness is not compatible with Islam.
All that proves is that he’s ignorant of the facts. He will need a good Secretary of State who will see through the Islamist propaganda.
I think the core of his comment and its intention was that it’s Israel’s business, not ours. That’s the problem with our Middle East policy: we keep trying to dictate to both sides what they need to do. Let them come to us if they need help; let’s quit going to them.
Um, Bolton, Perry, Rand, and West would be wasted votes … not because they’re not great on their own merits, but because they aren’t ready (or willing) for 2012. Bolton is a Republican President’s perfect choice for SecState. Perry has all the experience, has publically fought Obama tooth and nail … but polls well only in Texas at this point. He’d be an option if the Rep Party needed to draft someone; but he doesn’t have the support right now to run a national campaign. After 2012? He’d be in a much better position. West is too new; he just got in, for chrissakes! Great guy, excellent leader, well-spoken … but needs SEASONING. Rand is too linked to his kooky father to have much of a chance; he’s had some great policy statements, though, and would be great in a Repub administration in some role (probably budgetary). Not ready (or built for) the big chair, though.
Obama had “just got in” as you say about West and West actually has a record of accomplishment and leadership. He has military experience at a high enough level to be schooled in the intricate nature of foreign policy and would make a far better leader than Obama. Most people have no idea how much schooling you have to undertake to rise to the level of Colonel in the military. It’s an ongoing process and I venture to say that West is better educated than at least 90 percent of the people now in power in the federal government. So how about a Cain/West Ticket?
Herman IS the man. And,FYI, they’re Gadsden flags.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
In the end it will be Christie v Perry for #1, Bachman v Palin for #2. Cain will have a high level post in the admn.
IMHO, I sincerely hope the field doesn’t include Christie. We’ll be lucky if he remains contained in Jersey. The President’s most important job is to guarantee the security of every American from enemies, foreign and domestic. Christie flunks by definition (as does the incumbent, of course)! American cannot afford another occupant of the WH who doesn’t recognize Islam for what it is.
Well put MayberryLady,
Christie’s appointment of Muslim Judges in New Jersey is very troubling. I’m aware that the Muslims are a large voting block (400,000) in New Jersey, but pandering to them is unforgivable. I don’t know much about Rick Perry, other than he comes off as a Cowboy’d Up G.W. Bush. The Lefties will go Ape $#!* over him.
yes ..Christe is not a conservative and the muslim issues he has are too greatr.
Wow, you really are whistling Dixie! Christie has said over and over he’s not running (a smart decision in my opinion), Perry’s not ready for the big show just YET, and Palin – at this point – wouldn’t take #2 unless she REALLY REALLY liked the #1 person. Now, she’s said she likes Cain a lot … but I’d really love it if she ran for President, kicked everybody’s rear on both sides, and then drove the Obamas’ UHaul back to Chicago herself … just for the smiles and laughs she’d get.
Michele Bachmann? The perfect VP, in my opinion. Whoever gets the nod for President should immediately send her about a million flowers and pop the question.
I sincerely hope it’s not Christie. He no more follows the constitution than Obama does. Look at his record. Yes he has helped his state but a lot of the measures he has taken are unconstitutional on a federal level. They may be constitutional by the NJ constitution, I don’t know, not being familiar with it. I do know that he is firmly in the gun control camp and that disqualifies him in my, and every true patriot’s eyes. The first shots of the revolutionary war were fired when the British troops were on their way to confiscate the American’s weapons at Concord.
Wow, I thought Perry would get all the flack, this is a totally new perspective.
Look folks, what have the “professional” politicans done to this country? TARP, Medicare, Medicaid, Prescription Drugs, Unlimited Food Stamps, Housing Projects that look like they came out of the Soviet Union (and full of crime), crashed the econony due to failed home ownership schemes, took over of the banks, two car companies, the student loan programs, and our healthcare system. They have spent us into oblivion and still want to spend more money. They throw money at foreign problems. They stiffle U.S. energy and resource development. They approve judges who look to foreign law as authority. Sharia anybody? And get us into endless wars and “nation building” while ours is crumbling.
Like any candidate, Herman Cain is not perfect. But he is a credible and articulate candiate and should be taken seriously. Who would have a better chance to reform welare programs, than someone like Herman Cain?
Unfortunately, as I read over most of these comments, most don’t care much at all for Herman Cain. Because of this, I fear, Obama will be re-elected and then, well, the rest of America will be taken care of. God forbid a TRUE American, Christian, and one who believes is US would be elected. Sorry, he, Cain, doesn’t have the political experience. He can’t deal with the “other” party. His ideas are a little too “right”. His belief in America being the greatest it can be is just, well, a little too pushy. Obviously, this country has given up on believing in itself. Let the politicians take care of “us”. After all, “they” really do know what they’re doing, right? Elect the same ones, over and over. makes me sick…
If he runs with Allen West, we get two great candidates and take the RACIST REPUBLICANS canard off the table (one would hope). The Presidential debates would be quite interesting. Herman Cain would expose Obama for the malevolent socialist he is.
I would love to see a Cain/Obama debate! The contrast between Obama, who has achieved nothing of significance prior to his Presidency – and even less DURING his Presidency – and Cain, who has had a remarkable career, would clarify the difference between affirmative action and achievement for a whole generation. People would finally see that being given degrees or titles because you belong to a preferred minority group is very different from earning a reputation as someone who actually achieves something through his own merits and efforts. That would be a true “teachable moment”!
The fact that it should forever put an end to the “Republicans are racist” narrative would just be a bonus.
I beg to differ regarding Obama’s having achieved less than nothing during his presidency. To reach that conclusion one must discount “destruction” as an achievement. Not only that but, with much help from the MSM, he has managed to fool many into believing that “destruction” is actually “construction.” Sure, much of the American electorate pays little attention to facts, so it wasn’t all that difficult an achievement, but it WAS an achievement.
Through his appointments (relatively unopposed by go-along-to-get-along Republicans), he has managed to position government so that the election of ’12 will be well-tilted in favor of the Democrats.
He and his have elevated legions of union thugs, each of whom appears to be willing to bludgeon non-believers into submission–a force to be reckoned with. Then throw in a smidgeon of Democrat-voting illegal aliens and dead people, each protected by the insistence that photo I.D.s at the voting place is not only racist but also an attack on The Poor, and protected further by election officials’ hesitation (whether due to laziness, fear of error, or malevolent purposes) to purge their voting rolls of the dead, the convicted felons and those who have moved from their addresses. Note, too, that the Justice Department has given license for thuggery to The New Black Panthers or any pro-Democrat “poll watchers.”
All of that is far from “less than nothing.”
“Less than nothing” … you’re right.
I’d call them grounds for impeachment. Failing that, I’d find him guilty and put him in the same cell as OJ. Those two fools can debate football and narcissism together.
Oh, really? The donks will just call them Token Toms. Yes, they can! And will.
And the moment they do, we better scream “RACIST” right back at them.
I like Herman Cain. I am not religious at all and wish he would keep it out of politics but I would rather have Christ in my life than the Islam Obama. Cain says all the right things and what is funny to me tongue-in-cheek is that he is a black man. What on earth can the liberals do now??? Oh they’ll try: remember Clarence Thomas; remember Larry Elder.
Cain will get my first Republican vote since I “converted” to libertarianism 15 years ago.
I was there. Cain was simple, authentic, and has nothing to hide. Politicians only know politics; they cannot and will not run anything, meet payroll, face consequences (other than losing elections). They play a circular game,and that is all they know. Cain , as a businessman, knows about reality and the bottom line. And not incidentally, Mrs. Cain has more class in her little finger than that entouraged Michelle Obama does in her entire corpus.
“And not incidentally, Mrs. Cain has more class in her little finger than that entouraged Michelle Obama does in her entire corpus.”
Love it! Of course, it wouldn’t take all that much…but the contrast *here* is indeed stark. (And ditto for Allen West’s wife!)
I like them both, from what I’ve seen and heard.
And I also like the idea of putting the name “Godfather” on our drones, so the terrorists would know who “delivered” them!
On every single point you name, I am with Cain 100%.
I am disappointed that Mitch Daniels is not running (just announced).
With the current Republican field, that leaves just Herman Cain to light my fire.
A very apt description of our current plight…
“None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth; they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.”
The problem I have with candidates who hasn’t held political office. It’s that it’s impossible to know how resistant they are to the Washington culture. Look at what happened to Arnold i California.
Actually, we DO know how people who’ve held public office will act:
• Fancy speeches written by marketing professionals.
• Stroiking us until we get all warm, fuzzy, and sleepy.
• Justifying more laws for high-sounding reasons.
• Selling us out to the highest bidder.
The more I write about politics, the more concerned I get that most people want to remain asleep, vote on reflex and emotion, and then shoot the messenger who wants to awaken them.
Great work by Mary Grabar and some great comments as well. But some folks do not recognize the real thing when they see it.
Then make it real. Not delusion.
The Black Donald Trump
Herman cain is The REPUBLICAN Donald Trump
He just happens to be black 
I can’t find anything not to like about Herman Cain. Even though I am totally non religious, I will let him thump the bible all he wants because Judeo/Christian principles are positive, and good for society.
One of the most important reasons I will vote for him is because he is NOT a politician. Cain does not need foreign policy experience to get America back to where she was during the Reagan years.
Cain is a winner, and a fighter. I wish him well.
Not being a politician gets my vote. I could care less what his skin color is. Yours truly redneck Ron.
Some people are religious, and some (politicians) use religion as a prop. Remember how Bill Clinton usually carried a bible with him? Fat lot of good that did us, or him.
When our Founders created our Constitutional Republic, they acknowledged that it would take citizens with a moral and religious conscience to keep it. They were sure correct there, and our Constitution has become less and less influential as the move to reduce individual responsibility and remove religion from our lives has progressed.
Yes indeed! As an “atheist”, I deplore the “ATHEISTS” who rail against Christianity and other religions. I find REAL Christians to be so much better company than most professing Christians. I am sick and tired of all the falsehoods told about how this nation is turning away from Christianity by the media. This great nation was founded on Christian principles and if the people running it would just stick to them we would all be much better off. Show me where in the constitution is forbids a city council from voting to have a nativity scene on the city hall lawn. It’s not there. The first amendment is so wrongly enforced. It forbids CONGRESS!!! No one else. I am going to support Herman Cain and I urge everyone to do so.
I was impressed with Mr. Cain when I first heard him speak. I decided to look a little deeper into his past. Mr. Cain was chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. The Federal Reserve is a culprit to our current debt situation as well as responsible for much of our inflation problems, via QE1, and QE2. Mr. Cain does not want the Fed audited, although he admits congress/we the people have no direct oversight of this private bank. Mr. Cain was also a strong supporter of TARP, he even scolded those who opposed this unconstitutional program as “free market purists”. Recently Mr. Cain was asked about his support of this program while in Nashville. He disagrees with the way it was implemented, not the concept of central planning. This is the same as saying socialism will work if only the right people are in charge. Central planning and free markets can not co-exist. Which Mr. Cain is running for office, the central planner, or the lover of free markets we heard in S.C.? How do we know which is the real guy? Please look into all the candidates before supporting anyone. Please don’t get swept away by another smooth talking progressive.
Would you like to provide some credible citations?
Sure… His comments made recently in Nashville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol45PnAIFRU&feature=player_embedded
His views on the Fed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caeNXivEGEg
A recent article on the gentleman
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7575-fed-insider-herman-cain-announces-2012-bid
Since Mr. Cain has no history in politics we must take him at his word. There is no more credible evidence that his own words.
Apparently I cannot post the links directly. On Youtube you can hear Mr. Cains comments made in Nashville recently. Look up (Herman Cain Supported the TARP Bailouts)
To hear his view of the Fed… (Herman Cain Discusses the Federal Reserve)
There is also a new article out by New American Magazine.
Nothing is more credible that the man’s own words.
I found a vimeo where he said he originally supported TARP, but didn’t like the implementation. I found some youtube on the Fed, but the sound quality was so poor I can’t conclude anything. The rest of the internet chatter seems to be bloggers repeating each other’s allegations.
We do need to grade candidates on a matrix of issues. Perhaps this will drop him to A-, but the jury’s still out.
The question will end up being, in the matrix of issues, how does candidate X rate compared to Y?
Cain is going to get ride of the IRS. Libertarians you can elect someone to get ride of the Fed later. The day the IRS bits the dust will epic.
Two points; no candidate is going to be perfect, and meet the requirements of every voter in the country (we leave things like that to Vlad Putin). Being Fed chair in KC is a LOT different that bing national Fed chair, so I wonder if that really makes much difference in the long run. I just don’t think that’s a deal breaker, when you look at his attributes as a whole.
The other thing is: Herman Cain is not a progressive. Calling him a progressive is like calling Chris Christie Joy Behar’s husband – two completely opposite sides of an argument.
Bottom line: we need a man in the White House, a REAL man. Herman Cain is a REAL man; Obama isn’t.
Time to have an adult discussion….maybe.
Sarah Palin can’t win the White House. Period. It is delusional to think otherwise. Her negative polling numbers are off the charts. That is rough as a cob for her champions, but it is time to face reality. Making her the nominee is a suicide mission for the Republican Party and, I believe…for the country. She will be eaten alive by the lapdog media. That 15% “rigged” game advantage would swell to 25%, 30% maybe even 40%.
Sarah is great on the stump, phenomenally courageous in telling the truth and slamming the leftists. She has bought a house in Arizona and she should run for the Senate there. That is her highest and best use.
Bachman can’t win. She fills the same role as Sarah, courageous and willing to hit the issues head on, but she can’t win the country back from the leftists.
Christie should not run. He will only destroy his mojo and we need to be hitting the leftists with the truth from all sides.
Newt is toast.
Daniels is out.
Herman Cain has a hole in his candidacy in foreign policy, let’s not deny it. Let’s embrace it. Did Obama have a foreign policy resume of that overwhelmed? When one is a CEO, you learn that you don’t try to do the CFO’s job, the head of governmental affairs job, the CTO’s job, no one person has the resume to run an enormous corporation with all those skills.
What are OUR largest issues to confront? We are teetering on the brink of economic collapse. I would rather have someone who understands how to turnaround a failing franchise, than someone who wants to achieve “global redistribution” through taxing our brains out.
I would rather have someone who understands what it means to lead at the head of the charge, than someone who believes leading can be done…from behind.
Presidents surround themselves with an array of advisors, Department heads, legal scholars, military geniuses, …there are plenty of people and there is plenty of time for a CEO type to absorb the opinions of the top people in their specific areas of concern…and to coalesce that advise, make decisive judgments and articulate them so that the lay people that are his shareholders…can comprehend the reasoning behind them.
What are our pressing issues today? We have been divided…intentionally…by class, race, religion, gender…a Communist inspired bunch of Woodstock leftists, sold out to the world, slandered and called greedy, colonialist, imperialist, mean, racist, warmongering, sexist, homophobic and dumb.
Our free market enterprise system has been under vicious attack and is being torn to shreds. NOTHING….and I mean…NOTHING…matters about any other issue…if we are fundamentally changed into a weak, serial debtor, bankrupt country.
Frankly, I don’t give a Tinker’s Dam whether Herman Cain PERSONALLY has foreign policy experience of Washington beltway experience. For THIS election, those are skills that can be placed in the hands of those who can advise him. As happens with virtually EVERY state governor who runs for high office. They have not nearly enough foreign policy experience to do the job alone.
He DOES have Federal Reserve experience, CEO experience, he can articulate ideas and sell them, he can deliver a message, he can stir men’s souls.
Let’s stop being tantrum throwing little babies about this. Herman Cain can actually deliver on the broken promise to unite this country…by race…he can be a healer….that Obama pretended to be. Herman Cain will not lecture Israel on where to draw their border lines, but he may lecture leftists on where America should draw theirs.
Herman Cain can heal us and end the class warfare assault, he can tell when paying benefits for the retired has overwhelmed a balance sheet.
Herman Cain can heal the attack on our Judeo-Christian heritage.
Herman Cain will not be called an Uncle Tom by Communists, leftists, and black nationalists for the first time in his life.
Herman Cain will not put phony “green job czars” and Communists in roles to “redistribute” our money.
His DOJ will not allow one race to be attacked.
If all this is true, then which other candidate is most likely to be able withstand the “rigged” 15% disadvantage? Herman Cain has not promoted a health care system that has carve out for friends and party hacks…but, puts the government’s foot on the Non-Leftist connected.
Show me another candidate that understands how to turn around an economy, understands the Federal Reserve…better. And…who will not pussyfoot around about facing down the “tear down the system” types. AND who can heal us from the tearing apart done by the leftists…according to race and class issues.
If Herman Cain is only in this race for entertainment purposes…count me as someone who is ready to be entertained.
It would seem Mr. Cain is talking from both sides of his mouth. He donated to the campaigns of Democrat U.S. Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Nevada Tea Party candidate Sharron Angle’s primary opponent, Danny Tarkanian. Again, please look into this guy before supporting him. An election is not for entertainment, my brothers and sisters in arms are dying so that elections might happen. Please take you civil duty seriously.
Ben Nelson is rated A+ by the NRA, defined as “A legislator with not only an excellent voting record on all critical NRA issues, but who has also made a vigorous effort to promote and defend the Second Amendment.”
Not all Democrats are equal.
According to Open Secrets, Cain lived in Omaha, working to save Godfather’s Pizza, when he gave to Nelson’s campaign.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/05/herman-cain-touts-outside-status.html
It’s not unreasonable for a smart business executive to seek out people he has things in common with. It’s not unreasonable to seek those qualities ahead of party affiliation. A smart executive looks for qualified people. That’s what makes them successful.
Well said, sir. It remains to be seen whether Herman Cain can match action to rhetoric, but at this time he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Although there is indeed a strong Christian-Judeo component supporting the ethics of a free nation, voters who are not evangelical wince at lavish public displays of biblical piety. Mr. Cain may find himself at a disadvantage when trying to win over independents who, although suspicious of big government and rightly alarmed by its stifling of the economy, really do not incline to Constitutional originalism and are somewhat repelled by the more emotional enthusiasms of traditional religion.
Perhaps someone with your talent of exposition can suggest a way for Mr. Cain to appeal to these kinds of independents, for they will be the voters who decide the election in 2012.
Cain’s a quick study. Give him about a two week crash course, and he’ll know more about foreign policy than anyone in Washington. And btw, this is one area where West would bring a lot to the table. West understands foreign affairs in general and the middle east in particular better than Obama or H. Clinton.
I agree with everything you’ve said, except for one thing: Sarah Palin has a VERY good chance of winning! Why? Because those “polls” are manufactured by leftist organizations and repeated ad nauseum by the mainstream media, who hate and fear her with a passion. There are only two politicians who inspire people and can be almost guaranteed to turn out big crowds wherever they go: Herman Cain, and Sarah Palin. Polls don’t mean diddly when people are voting on the issues and on a candidate’s (presumed) personality traits. Just remember: Obama himself didn’t have high polling marks going into the 2008 elections. He won because of two reasons; John McCain (NOT his running mate) ran a weak strategy, and the mainstream media wanted THEIR black man in the White House AT ALL COSTS.
My good buddy CenterFieldBleachers, not so centerfield these days, I see. Still, you retain some vestige of Centrism, it seems, so let me challenge your position by asking you personally some questions, okay?
Would Sarah Palin win the Republican nomination is she decides to run? What do you think? 79% of Republicans approve of her. She has the name and the organization behind her, which no one else has. She draws the crowds like no one else. She raises funds like no one else. She’d win, because next to her, everyone is else is simply Lilliputian.
If she is the nominee, would the Republican Party rally behind her? Would all the folks who say “Anyone But Obama” vote for her? I should think so. That includes an awful lot of Independents, too, right?
Could the Media offer up anything they have not offered before, any attacks she has not weathered before? Do you think they are still as powerful as they once were?
It has been clearly determined that she has a solid base of 39% in polling. Obama has a base of 43%. That sounds like she is competitive, right?
As the nominee, people would have to give her another look, right? Might they not change their views of her? Of course they would, right?
Since the economy will clearly be no better next year, according to the best experts, won’t the Republican have the advantage?
Won’t Obama have a record this time he’d have to defend?
Won’t some women vote for her just to see a woman President finally?
I could go on, but the point is, this ‘unelectable’ stuff is a Democratic meme that people have bought into. It is simply NOT TRUE. Lots of the Republican political establishment promulgate this meme, too, as it suits them well, but that still does not make it true.
Of course Palin is electable. She is more electable than anyone… especially more electable than Obama! She is only unelectable as long as people BELIEVE she is unelectable. How long are folks going to allow the MSM to call the shots this way? Stop buying their BS!
This is wishful thinking, I believe.
She cannot capture the independents and they are absolutely necessary for a win. She has been severely damaged in “brand” outside of her very strong base.
It’s not enough. And frankly, no…I am not willing to risk another four years of Obama on a candidate that carries as high of negatives as she does. This has nothing to do with my feelings for her or her value to the party. It’s simply that I believe this is a must win election…and winning the primary and losing the general isn’t my idea of a good outcome.
This has nothing to do with my centrism on some issues either. This is merely a matter of who will dismantle the Woodstock Nation, Weathermen, hippie-hopey parade that is destroying this country.
I’m looking at who can best withstand the lapdog media’s rigged game. It is not Sarah, in my opinion. I have NEVER believed their BS, in fact, for years I have been railing against it. But, I will admit when it is effective…and it has torn her candidacy to shreds. Of course, that’s disgusting and unfair. But, we as a nation cannot risk losing in 2012 to try to make up for that unfairness. Win in 2012 and then we can start setting all of these wrongs on the table and make them right.
…. Mr Cain is said to be a long shot ….
Long shot?
On the very off-chance President-Elect Sarah Louise Ronald Wilson Reagan Heath Palin doesn’t hear our call, the race is Mr Cain’s to lose.
PALIN/BOLTON/2012!
PALIN/WEST/2012?
Cain is looking better and better.
Key fact…Krauthammer has dissed him. Doesn’t think he is a serious candidate.
When the Republican ruling class elites are against somebody, it’s an absolutely crystal indication that the person can make a difference.
Cain has a ton of experience. Did you know he is a former Board of Directors for the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City? As well as being a former analyst for the Dept of Navy, owner of several university degrees, executive for two multi-nationals, and a sucessful entrepreneur. But he isn’t “serious”.
Krauthammer was grilled by Bill O’Reilly recently (Friday night IIRC) about the amount of sway Krauthammer has on the Republican party. Krauthammer hemmed and hawed and never gave a straight answer to Bill’s badgering – but Bill didn’t shrink back from trying to get something out of Krauthammer.
So it would seem that even the so-called conservative media has a larger-than-life say on who runs and who does not run for political office.
It is not so different than the MSM – is it?
God withheld the rapture because he didn’t want to give the tea party racists a legit reason miss their opportunity to vote for Obama ’12 and transform themselves into a browner America by surrendering of their weakness for White Privilege. They should start by surrendering their White daughters to the Diversity Treatment.
Now with Cain, the tea party can vote for a black just to prove they aren’t racist.
Cain is unqualified to be POTUS, but his afrovoodoo features probably will help him win a couple of yankee primaries. Yankees, not surrounded by blacks, have an idealized version in their irrational dreams of Equality. No such thing.
Right On! Thank God somebody said it. Thanks to the moderators for not removing you post.
Next, look for Glen Beck to host Cain and Bernice King at another rally. As soon as Bernice starts lecturing all the Tea Partiers about their unearned White privilege, watch “conservative” Herman Cain to start jumping and shouting “Amen, sista, Amen!” He’s a jive huckster preacher, and he hates Whitey just like they all do. It will come out, eventually. The iron laws of nature will force reality into the open. It always does.
When you see Cain, just know that ghetto could break out at any moment-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUS6nKpddec
Wow! Racist much? You spew more hatred than any other 10 posts I’ve ever seen on these lists. You need to seriously look into your own head and clean out the filth and irrational hatred there and take a good clear look at reality.
Important update: On Thursday, Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell collaborated with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in a backroom pact to extend the so-called “Patriot” Act – with as little debate as possible – for 4 years before some of the most liberty-savaging components expire on Friday, May 27.
The surveillance state’s ability to snoop through your business records, pry into your library book checkouts, monitor so-called “lone wolfs,” and spy on your personal communications through roving wiretaps will be extended until 2015, which “coincidentally” is not an election year.
So much for all that lofty rhetoric last fall about adhering to the Constitution.
By taking a chainsaw to the Fourth Amendment, they have pledged their allegiance to the Surveillance State.
Even more galling, a cloture vote is scheduled for 5PM Monday, because they believed Senator Rand Paul would be out of town, and they would have a free hand to slip extending the government’s domestic spying capabilities through without anyone noticing.
And that has always been the plan from the get-go.
Going back to the original passage of the Patriot Act in the wake of the 9/11 tragedy, leaders in both parties have always schemed to squash debate and muffle dissent.
You and I cannot permit that to happen this time.
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” George Washington
Hallelujah!
I love the fact that Cain says the right things, and not because he is reading someone else’s words of the teleprompter. If you watch and listen to him, you can tell he really believes what he is saying.
I also love the irony of how he would diffuse the phoney “racist Republican” charge the Democrats always come up with.
Herman Cain is fine so far as I am concerned, and it will be iterating to watch his candidacy shape up. The part about the financing of Petrobras is bogus though.
Wish I had more faith re: another black in the oval office, but Cain seems to me more just a nice guy currently in the limelight by the aid of a (pro anybody non white) media choosing our GOP candidate by shutting out the others.
I notice they pretty much ignore Sarah Palin now; so maybe America gets a second chance to prove to the world yet again that we really really aren’t racist, by putting another ethnic-chic figure into highest authority and hope for the best.
Sorry, but this is not a job for race reparations, we need more qualifications other than ‘not white.’
Well then, stop thinking of Herman Cain as a “black” man running for office and start thinking of him as a man running for office and quit worrying about what the “race” of the candidate is. Vote for him because he’s the best person we have for the job.
I like what should be his campaign slogan – “Elect a LEADER, not a READER.”
The true question that remains now is Cain really Abel?
Cain delivers
Have it your way with Herman Cain
One other asset that Cain has, a great speaking voice.
Compared to Obama, who has that whiny professor sound, Cain has that deep mellow voice that doesn’t require enhancement to sound good.
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I have a real problem with Cain’s 23% sales tax. First I do not believe it. I have read a number of national sales tax plans and in addition to the tax you, the consumer, pays, the business pays also. So if I buy a shirt and pay a 23% sales tax, the store owner pays a 23% sales tax also I am sure I am not wrong. I do not imagine things. That Cain did not differentiate his plan from the others indicates to me he is not being totally honest.
Second problem – add local sales taxes at almost 10% and we have increased the price of things by almost 50%. I can’t say what effect that will have on buying patters – I seldom speculate – but I wouldn’t want to find out either.
Third problem – Cain says this will generate the same revenues we now collect. Well, what happened to tax cuts? I mean why are all tax proposals revenue neutral? And, of course, we have no way of knowing if it will generate sufficient revenues at all.
Finally, Cain says to pay social security, medicare and the military and cut from the rest. Fine. I agree. Then why does he need a 23% sales tax?
You need to find out more about the Fair Tax before you denigrate it. Period.
By 1925 the US had 50% of the industrial capacity in the world. We became an economic giant on consumption taxes. The 16th amendment and the IRS taxes our exports at the point of manufacture and our industrial capacity has fallen to 20%.
You make $50K but take home 35K. You now get the 50K and your employer can give you his share of FICA or 4K. Plus if your employer matched your 401k 5k a year he can just give that to you. So your $35k is now $59K or the full cost of what your employer pays to hire you. But now a $10 bag of socks is $12.30.
Lawrence, these are very good questions that I have looked at for at least ten years. The “Fair” tax is anything but fair. It is a very deceitful concept well camouflaged and has attracted some very intelligent people. That is because we focus on the excesses of the current system, not the operation of its replacement. Mr. Cain has not thought this through. The problems will pile up as soon as we try to implement the change but not before except by analysis.
Right now all overhead is in the price of the product except our state sales tax — which need to be thoroughly researched as to when and why a state sales tax was launched. It was in the mid thirties and linked to Socialism.
My main question is what are you going to do with old inventory that has the tax as overhead and the new inventory that would not have that tax. Immediately we have a 23% price discrepancy. To handle that bump will be expensive. I hope to dissuade Herman Cain from pursuing the “fair” tax in favor of a one price system with no sales tax.
There is lots of room for good debate on this but there is no easy and comfortable answer.
It is our spending rather than our taxing that is the problem and no tax should be too comfortable. We must support our government and taxes are bout the only good way. If we pare government back to its necessary governing responsibility we will reduce that tax burden to a sustainable level.
Our living does not, nay, cannot come form government sources so why is our government involved in welfare? Is it not due to a misconception of economics?
Probably not many of you can remember President Herbert Hoover. I can. Roosevelt came up with his unconstitutional New
Deal and it was highly popular among the Democrats. It still is.
Don’t worry, the Fair Tax will never pass. It takes away from lawmakers waaaaaaaay too much power to bestow favors to those willing to return the favor.
And that very fact could cut spending quite a bit, with lawmakers not trading favors with each other so that the favored entity of each might reap rewards.
Just for a fun fantasy, imagine a government where taxes existed solely to fund the duties that government should perform. We might learn less about the sex habits of the African fire ant, but it would be worth it.
Lawrence, it’s obvious you either haven’t read the “Fair Tax” book or you didn’t understand its points. What you are describing is a Value Added Tax, not the Fair Tax. Please understand i don’t much care for the fair tax myself but at least describe it accurately. I prefer no income tax at all, that we go back to what we had before the government decided to exceed its constitutional bounds. But barring that, I propose a flat rate income tax where there is only one deduction per person, in the amount of the legally recognized poverty income level. If that is $10,000 and you make $10,000 you pay no tax. If you earn $15,000 you pay tax on $5,000. If you have a family of 4 and you earn $40,000 you pay no tax. If you earn $45,000 you pay tax on $5,000. This would apply equally to families or to individuals. You get a deduction for your kids as long as you support them. You file jointly if you are married and the income is what you and your wife earn.
Too simple. Not enough room for manipulation.
What happened to tax cuts is that the rate of taxation is a debate that is different in kind from the manner in which taxes should be collected. We can modify the rate later, after the transition has been made. Second, the way the Fair Tax works is that it assesses the business a 23% revenue tax, which in turn will be passed on to the consumer and posted on the receipt.
I can only say that I don’t care what color a person is, if they are dedicated and are willing to learn and are gifted with wisdom and can genuinely help our country out of this mess we are in and has the courage it will take to accomplish that I am for them. Too many oldie but baddies need to be booted out of the senate and congress. Two in particular who totally contributed to the housing market bomb. They saw it coming but chose to ignore. Their pockets were more important to them. We are hurting and in dire straights we need fresh ideas and someone with the umption to lead and not be a follower. Obama is a big time follower. He was groomed by the progressives and he has lived up to the teaching he got. We must embrace the candidate that God is sending and if it be Herman Cain, God Speed my brother.
Chris Wallace: Where do you stand on the right of return?
Herman Cain: The right of return? The right of return?
CW: The Palestinian right of return.
HC: That’s something that should be negotiated. That’s something that should be negotiated.
CW: Do you think the Palestinian refugees…should be able or should have any right to return to Israeli land?
HC: Yes, but under, but not under Palestinian conditions. Yes, they should have a right to come back if that is a decision that Israel wants to make. I’m back to it’s up to Israel to determine the things that they will accept. MP Netanyahu make it real clear in his statement following the statement that President Obama made. They are willing to make some concessions. They are willing to give on a lot of things. They’re willing to be compassionate. I don’t think they have a big problem with people returning. The issue is there’s some things they just don’t want to give in on.
Cain also doesn’t want to talk about what he would do in Afghanistan and regarding terrorism because he won’t have the necessary intelligence to make those decisions until he’s president.
I won’t give Cain serious consideration until he becomes better informed about international affairs and national security. He can’t dodge these issues like he tried to do this morning.
18% real unemployment rate in the US and you complain about Palestinian issues on the right of return.
Who cares about Palestine? Who cares about housing projects in the west bank? I don’t care if the Palestinians wonder the globe for 2000 years. They lost there wars and will lose the next one.
Sukie see my response to J. J. in thread 7 about the return of the Palestinians. You are taking on authority that is not ours to take. There is an open way that these Palestinians can follow but their leaders stand in the gap.
Oh and do you approve of BO’s handling of foreign affairs? I pretty much agree with what he said, it’s Israel’s business as to how they deal with the Palestinian people. Why would they accept anyone who doesn’t recognize Israel’s right to exist. And for the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone expects them to give back territory gained in wars where they were the ones who were attacked. As far as I’m concerned the return of the Sinai peninsula was a mistake and so was every other give back they’ve done. Not to mention all the give backs America has done. Yet the left screams “IMPERIALISTS” at us. What a load of bull excrement.
Folks, there are two sinister pieces of proposed legislation circulating in Washington: 1) S.679 has the President APPOINTING his cadre or appointees DIRECTLY w/o Congressional oversight. 2) Mr. Tom Golicano and “Chucky” Shumer (D-NY) are constructing an “end run” around upcoming re-districting for 2012 Elections by REPLACING current state-by-state electoral System w/ the “direct election of the President by guaranteeing an Electoral College Majority to the Popular Vote winner.” Talk about Democrats creating imaginative legislative material designed in “gaming” our US Constitution. Geez! Talk about circling the wagons around Mr. Obama. I see FEAR!!! Pure, unadulterated, RAW FEAR by the MSM, left, far left and radicals (UNIONS). They know Mr. “O” is a one termer and they want to “game” the system so he wins. All States must enact “voter ID legislation” immediately. Fraud is already on the way! An end run on the “Dream Act” must be stopped. ACORN, ALL Electoral “engagement” type organizations must be unmasked for their frauds, and attempts at fraudulent voter registrations.
Stand firm!!!! We’ve got them on the ropes…now, pound the s–t out of them!!!
God Bless America!!!VOTE,dammit.
After reading though these posts and replying to some I am going to try to leave a short analysis of Herman Cain and Judge Moore. We have two strong men who are going to be themselves rather than the image of their party. Both have great strength and certain weaknesses. Judge Moore is going to push what he understands as justice and I find his definition quite agreeable.
Herman Cain has certain strengths gained from business that Judge Moore may not have. Both men have shown great strength against outside influence with an agenda. It is up to us to decide if they are walking the path we want to walk, then give our feedback as to what we believe that path to be. If we want to give them the power of attorney over our affairs, we will. If we value our independence then we will support their independence.
Libertyship in thread 5 made this comment. “In a business you can do whatever you want. In government, you can’t.”
I can’t agree with this because there are various constraints in business that will not let you do everything you would like to do. In fact this rule covers everything. We must make choices and some are far more difficult than others. I doubt if Libertyship has ever designed and run a business. That is not quite the same as managing an established business.
R. G. LeTourneau once fired a an earthmover driver because he cut his margin of safety too close and turned his machine over into the pit he was filling. He said he was doing his best but drove as close to the edge of the pit as he could. LeTourneau said his best was not good enough for he ignored judgment. Herman Cain turned a business around so he had to make demands that were hard nose executive decisions to bring the business into profitable discipline and, if elected will do the same for our country. Not every one is going to like this. He will also upset our foreign policies because they favor the wrong approach. You can’t patch a faulty and wore out machine and this political machine is definitely showing problems. Do we want to elect more status quo? It may turn into a wild ride but our government needs to be broke to harness.
At the moment, Herman Cain has the best potential and I would like to see Herman Cain and Roy Moore pull together. While we talk of the rule of law we are not talking about law but principles which empower the law. Since love is the fulfilling of the law there is no way to control love by law. Keep that in mind.
Of course Herman Cain can speak well, off the cuff, without teleprompter. It’s been his job for years, as a radio talk show host!
He has also given his detractors plenty of ammunition to use against him, in both primaries, and the main election.
The biggest of which, I have yet to see covered on any relatively large news organization.. Herman’s support of the TARP bailouts. “Wake up people! Owning a part of the major banks in America is not a bad thing. We could make a profit while solving a problem. But the mainstream media and the free market purists want you to believe that this is the end of capitalism as we know it.”
Seriously Herman.. you need to answer this problem, BEFORE you win the nomination, otherwise, the MSM will trot it out during the Presidential, and you will likely lose, as people who didn’t know about it, will now either stay home, or vote third party..
Get a grip, people. My point and concern is he didn’t even know what “right of return” meant or what it referred to. Wallace had to explain it to him. And he sloughed off other foreign policy questions with the unacceptable “since I don’t have access to intelligence, you’ll have to get back to me when I’m actually president.” Lame, people, lame. And weak.
Yes, this election essentially will be about domestic matters, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t plenty going on off-shore that directly affects and has serious consequences for the US. I’m not interested in any candidate who appears to be as uninformed and uninterested as Cain. Intelligence aside, he must have some core values and views about America’s role in the world and our relationships with other nations (beyond “I know you don’t throw your friends under the bus”) that would guide and shape his foreign policies. Perhaps he could share them with us and not brush off legitimate questions. I need some evidence that he knows something about what goes on in the wider world and that he’s prepared to take the role of leader of the free world and commander-in-chief seriously.
So sorry if you don’t think my concerns worthy. On the other hand, don’t care either.
I am certainly ready to hear some down home debate between this group of conservatives forming in spite of the RINO element and the Real Republicans rising upto do combat with not only each other but with a morally corrupt and leaderless left sided administration. It will be refreshing to hear the likes of Caine, Pawlenty, Bachman and West all wanting to share the future and move this country from this bog and redistribution funk that we have managed to let the socialist mislead and sucker punch this nation into. Their points will be poignant and entirely more provocative than what the left will be able to field because the evidence of failed policy is glaring, distressful and just fraught with ineptness and Americans are not what the left thought. It’s time to hoist the Yankee flag and remake the future.
I certainly hope that people will do some research on Mr. Cain and not just fall for a lot of fine WORDS that they like to hear, like they did with Obozero! ~ ENOUGH of being gullible and ending up entrapped with people that only want to get into politics for the monetary “possibilities” high office offers them! THINK! Mr. Cain is a businessman and a businessman’s primary goal is making money! A successful businessman or woman also understands the power of being able to favorably communicate with people, thus they realize there is power in WORDS! ~ Jesus Christ warned His people: “Ye shall not know them by their words alone but by their works”! ~ Having brought that to your attention; how many people know that Mr. Herman Cain was once the Chairman of the Board of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank and who now publicly stated that he has NO PROBLEM with the “Federal Reserve” which has been proven to be the biggest fraud ever pulled on the American people…prior to Obama! ~ FACT; the Federal Reserve is NOT FEDERAL and there is NO PROVEN RESERVES to back up their fiat currency! ~ The “Federal Reserve” was fraudulently brought into our country with the “majority votes” of three corrupt Congressmen on the late night of Dec 24, 1913 after all other Congressmen left for the holiday but did not officially adjourn Congress! ~ The “Federal Reserve” was initially installed by the Rothschild’s and is totally owned and operated by foreign powers who manipulate our currency, thus our economy, creating inflation and deflation at their whim and for their profits! The “Federal Reserve” at its inception wrote into law that it would NEVER BE SUBJECT TO AUDIT! ~ The “Federal Reserve” also brought in the Federal Income Tax to pay for the INTEREST on the money it LOANS to Congress, when in fact it is Congress’ Constitutional DUTY to issue interest-free currency to our country as needed! ~ And Mr. Cain….”has no problem with the “federal Reserve”?! ~ WATCH OUT FOLKS!!! ~ Hosea 4:6 “My people perish for their lack of knowledge”!
For this country to nominate and elect a man who is (1) a Christian (2) successful business-wise (3) loyal to the USA and who is not (1) a career politician (2) beholden to the government schools, Hollywood and the unions (3)pro-abortion … would be, indeed, a miracle. Here’s hoping.
There is a difference between being pro-abortion and pro-choice. Conservatives need to stop engaging in “either or” logical fallicies of thought.
A Cain vs Obama election sounds like a Japanese sci-fi movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla_vs._Mechagodzilla
“reveals it to be an impostor. It is Mecha-Godzilla (Obama), a titanic robot created by ape-like aliens of the Third Planet from the Black Hole (Soros, Ayers, Piven, et al) to destroy the genuine Godzilla (Cain) and conquer Earth.
After a bloody battle…Godzilla generates a magnetic field against Mecha-Godzilla, dragging the metallic monstrosity within reach. Godzilla twists Mecha-Godzilla’s head off and the robot’s body explodes.”