‘Yellow Peril’ Redux
Most people are familiar with so-called affirmative action policies that favor blacks (purportedly to redress past discrimination) and Hispanics and penalize whites. Racial preferences are discriminatory toward individuals of Asian descent as well.
According to Bloomberg, the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights is investigating complaints that Harvard and Princeton discriminate against Asian students in admissions.
Naturally, the schools deny the claims. Harvard “does not discriminate against Asian-American applicants,” spokesman Jeff Neal told Bloomberg. “Our review of every applicant’s file is highly individualized and holistic, as we give serious consideration to all of the information we receive and all of the ways in which the candidate might contribute to our vibrant educational environment and community.”
Asian students typically have a higher level of academic success and tend to be overrepresented in colleges and universities, particularly in California. Asians are about 5.6 percent of the U.S. population (Asian only and Asian multiracial) and 13 percent of California’s population, but they account for about 30 percent of undergraduates in the University of California (UC) system.
In 2009, UC’s Board of Regents voted to change the admissions policy, which included eliminating the requirement that applicants take two SAT subject tests, effective this year. The obvious intent of the changes is to expand the black and Hispanic applicant pool. The Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus said the new rules would reduce the percentages of Asian Pacific Islanders from 32.6 percent to 25.2 percent of the eligibility pool.
Asian families also have complained about these changes and believe the new policy will negatively impact their children, who tend to do well on standardized exams. It’s obvious why a school that wants to increase diversity would eliminate or reduce the weight of such exams. Blacks generally tend to do worse than other groups.
In 2009, Thomas Espenshade, a Princeton University professor, and Alexandria Walton Radford, who holds a doctorate from Princeton, published a study that revealed students of Asian descent faced discrimination at elite colleges and universities. An Asian student needs to score 140 points higher than whites on the math and reading portions of the SAT, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points higher than blacks to have the same chances of admission. If that’s not racial/ethnic discrimination, what is?
“[A]ll other things equal,” Espenshade told Insider Higher Ed, “Asian-American students are at a disadvantage relative to white students, and at an even bigger disadvantage relative to black and Latino students.”
Ah, all part of the ‘fairness’ package. Where mediocrity, unaccountability, sloth and low expectation is, ‘excelling’ if having darker melanin.
Don’t worry Illiberals, I’m ‘sure’ Uhbama earned his way into Harvard, Yale respectively with NO HONORS prior to enrolling/ attending.
‘Progressivism’, proving once again the construct is anything but..
I have personally experienced discrimination in the UT system. It took two attempts to get into medical school whereas if I were hispanic, I would have had well over enough points to get in the first time.
Admissions should be color blind. We need to encourage talent from all over the world if we are to remain competitive. Who cares what color they are if they can cure disease or get us to Mars.
We have cheapened our Universities with all this bullshit political correctness. The rest of the world laughs.
Similar to the admissions issues another ethnic group used to face (and still does, to a limited extent).
There is a reason that Asians are referred to as “the new Jews.”
This has been going on for decades now in California, with the Asian community essentially keeping quiet for fear of accusations of racism. The insulting thing is that many of these individuals have language barriers that don’t afflict blacks, though of course some Hispanics do have to (sort of) learn English. The absurdity of someone having to learn English, and then studying as hard as they can, only to be told that they’ll be held to a higher standard because someone else is disadvantaged by virtue of who their parents are, is simply ridiculous.
So it gets exposed in California every decade or so, and someone passes a law or announces a new policy for the University of California system, or something. A few years later it turns out the University administrators have concocted a “work-around” that allows the University to use a “not-a-quota” that has the same effective outcome, resulting in the situation being essentially the same as it was before. So someone else passes another law or makes another policy, and we go through the same rigamarole again.
Something needs to be done, and it should be final. It should work. Firing people wouldn’t be a bad idea…
As someone with exposure to lots of american born asian and american born blacks I would say the language difficulty is with the blacks. Don’t believe, me listen to any black congress critter save Allen West.
‘Critter’?
Didn’t you know, LaShawn? Asians aren’t a minority in the liberal mind. In the liberal mind, “minority” can be best translated as,”someone I consider inferior”.
Liberals got Federal legislation to codify their favored minorities into actual rules.
The Department of HHS defines the following as “protected classes”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class
They’ve created a caste system, right here in America.
Asians are a semi-protected group so they’re outranked. Roland Martin got outranked by GLAAD in the hierarchy or food chain or whatever the hell list they’ve got over at Democratic Party headquarters.
Being white and a man, I am at the very bottom which is a position I gleefully occupy, laughing the last laugh all the way to the bank.
The charges contained in this article are decidedly true and absolutely disgraceful.
The two exceptions ,to overwhelming reverse discrimination towards high achieving Asian & Jewish students, are MIT & Caltech. Having two sons who graduated from both powerhouses I can attest to the fact that these schools have the utmost appreciation for color blind admissions. They accept only the most qualified students, and do NOT apologize for it.
Being a Jewish superstar is duly appreciated, as well as being an Asian overachiever. This is exactly why BOTH campuses graduate the most competent students, students who are not only the best in their chosen professions, but are truly capable of thinking-outside-the-box.
The so called Ivies (and the rest of the second tier schools)can’t compare one iota to the likes of the above two powerhouses, schools which actually treasure true talent-regardless of ones hue/nationality/religion!.
Adina:
Having gone to Caltech AND Harvsrd, I can testify to the truth of your note. Caltech – I help out with recruiting there – ONLY looks at SAT scores. If you don’t go over 760 in the Math SAT, you don’t get in…period. Half the classes incoming have 800 scores in both the math and “writing” SATs. Asian American in the student body = 35-40%.
Harvard has another system which favors arbitrary admissions. Its lack of stress on academics ensures that scions (male and female) of alumni go to the top of the list. After that the rainbow sets in…the student body tends to be trendy and uniform in opinions and ideas. I taught undergrad labs when there and found some bright and interesting students, mainly in the sciences. The others tended to be charming money-grubbers.
As to Caltech, not only was my son a major science fair winner throughout high school, (at a foremost science/tech magnet school) he only fell short of 20 ! points for a perfect SAT score. Guess what? At Caltech he was considered the norm, certainly one among many highly accomplished students. A humbling experience indeed. Moreover, he used to joke that he was one of the ‘token’ whites and Jews.
The more time he spent collaborating/competing with Asian students the greater his respect grew for them too. On the whole, he considered them to be wonderful team mates and students.
As to Harvard-my other son cross registered there for some of his humanities classes, but only when he wanted a much needed respite from the rigors of MIT and their impossible ‘problem sets’. When I inquired how things were in any of his Harvard classes his answer would always be the same-easy as pie!
I rest my case.
Enough said.
I remodeled a guys house who went to Harvard. His brother went to Brown and is a former US Senator. Their father was a US Senator. They are very nice guys and talented athletes.
Their Ivy League educations did not save them from the fact that they were very, very slow and never would have been able to function in a competitive market. Never, ever, ever.
They would have been regarded as slow at my HS where most of the students were illegal immigrants. Yet they both graduated from the Ivy League.
Think we attended the same high school.
Most famous alum is Carlos Santana?
I forgot to add the following tidbits-if anyone is really interested in the Ivy League process for admission, I refer the readers to ‘The Price Of Admissions’.
Once the monied/legacy set are accounted for, having bought their progeny an admission ticket, the set asides for minorities-except Asians-kicks in.
This accounts for a student body which boasts a preponderance of students who can charitably be described as dumb as posts, a reflective result of their ‘selection’ process.
It is what it is.
The Price of Admission is fantastic. For those up for a challenge (the book could be used as a doorstop), The Chosen is a superbly researched book on all things related to college admissions.
Meg, one of the stories in ‘Price of Admission’ revolves around the Kushner family and their son Jared.
Jared Kusher, scion of real estate developer Charles Kushner, husband of Ivanka Trump (yes, THAT Trump) attended Harvard. Why am I mentioning this? My son, (the one I mentioned above who graduated from MIT) went to prep school with Jared, although he was several grades younger than him. Nevertheless, it was an ‘open secret’ what happened when Jared got accepted into Harvard. Elite prep schools are very clubby, few secrets remain secret for long.
To understand the above, here’s some background- The Frisch School has a multi-level academic track. Jared was a middle/average tier student (my son was in the high honors track) and under ‘normal’ circumstances Jared would have probably gained acceptance into a state school. When the head of College Admissions/Guidance at the high school heard that Jared gained admission to Harvard she was dumbstruck. She said as much to Mr. Golden who interviewed her for the book.
The fact that the students were not surprised by his preferential treatment attests to how jaded many of them have become. Wanna go to Harvard? Get papa to donate a new building. Simple (and corrupt) as that.
Adina, the only thing that surprises me in that story is that the school’s college counselors were surprised–the ones at my prep school wouldn’t have been. We all, ALL knew how the admissions game worked. Once you took out legacy admits, the people who were recruited because of one highly needed ability (a hockey goalie, a oboeist for the orchestra, etc.) and the very wealthy who were not legacies, the affirmative action admits, etc. the number of places that are left to be won by star students is actually a very small proportion.
please don’t call it reverse discrimination. it is just discrimination. (calling reverse discrimination outs you as a white and to be ignored)
It’s good that MIT and Caltech are color blind. Counterintuitively, if they gave preference to Blacks/Hispanics over Whites/Asians/Jews, you could have this possibility:
Suppose we have a group of identically-qualified students who really aren’t good enough to get into MIT/Caltech, but they decide to be “nice” and the Black kid gets to go to MIT, and the Hispanic gets to go to Caltech, while the White, Asian, and Jew have to settle for a second-tier engineering school like Kansas State. Four years later, the White, Asian, and Jew have engineering degrees and are employed as engineers. Meanwhile, the affirmative-action students at MIT and Caltech can’t take the higher standards and drop out.
The policy would have hurt the very people it was designed to help.
in general, many asians are a tough nut to crack for the totalitarians in our midst
“minority” status and an inclination to authoritarianism are definitely traits to be exploited by those who would; however, at the same time, incredible self-reliance, work ethic, strong family ties, and an overall temperament of “not wanting to rock the boat” are strong negatives by those fostering the cultural revolution in our country
what to do what to do
“Naturally, the schools deny the claims. Harvard “does not discriminate against Asian-American applicants,” spokesman Jeff Neal told Bloomberg. “Our review of every applicant’s file is highly individualized and holistic, as we give serious consideration to all of the information we receive and all of the ways in which the candidate might contribute to our vibrant educational environment and community.”
And I’m sure that the people at Harvard and Princeton would love to have more Asian students, you know, to do their lawns and keep their gardens in tip-top shape. Hey, a good Asian gardener is hard to find these days. I’m sure they would even want one to come in that needs financial aid. Why, there are so very many things that Asian students needing financial aid could do for them, like take care of their food pantries in the lunch rooms (you know, those Asians are good at running a small deli), play violins in the school band, oh, and maybe even tutor some dumb athletes in math. You know, stuff like that. I say this because this is how the Ivy League thinks about Asians, and just about anybody else who didn’t go to their school.
The people at Harvard and Princeton are a bunch of liars and frauds. They are very, very, liberal, until it comes time to taking on more Asian students. Admissions should be based on merit. How about trying that for a while.
I think you just hit an important nail. There are lots of highly capable Asian applicants, some from first and second generation prosperous families, and many first generation, whose parents run a convenience store. The former can pay full tuition. The latter can’t. The former a re much more likely to be admitted, because there’s only so much aid money to go around, and they’d rather save it for the ‘minority’ minorities, who they’re always having such a hard time recruiting.
This also happens with poor whites, btw. Only enough aid to go around for the ‘diversity’ candidates.
Actually, the real problem is too many really good students chasing too few schools. That exacerbates things by pitting groups against each other.
it is to the point where those schools are not worth entering .
if their selection process is so bigoted who would expect that their academic teaching would be any different.
bigot in bigot out.
p.s. …where is the taxpayer revolt over education. it is a scam.
One doesn’t need to go to a school to learn something. All the information is available. You will not have as much fun as a college student, but you can learn all the same stuff on your own.
“The only education is self-education” – Isaac Asimov
That’s kind of inane. Did you ever go to college? The profs and administrators are not the same.
Any plans to expand the pool of white players in the NBA? Something’s afoot there. The NHL should be investigated. By the standards of the Left they’re in KKK territory.
A very, very nice analogy.
It’s not just taxes and tuition; when you produce alumni who don’t donate, you decline.
My husband is Asian, and I’m white. We met at the elite private college we both attended. This discrimination has been an open secret in the Asian American community. My father in law actually requested that our children get non-Asian names and that the kids get my last name (we hyphenated) specifically because he was very worried about their ability to get into college down the road. We will leave the issue up to our own children, but expect to strongly encourage them to mark their race as white on their college applications and avoid in-person admissions interviews as well.
My husband applied for school in this country here to escape Malaysia’s own (official and legal) university admissions quotas that seriously limit positions for the Chinese minority at the expense of the ethnic Malay majority. He didn’t expect to find himself having to play these games in America.
I used to think that my half-Filipino, half-white kids would be able to game the system if they emphasized their Asian background in applications. Now I think the opposite–I think we’ll just pretend they’re white kids for purposes of college admissions.
My son went to a prep school that was heavily recruited by the Ivy league schools. They would come to the school and hold events for the parents. Marks were not the whole criteria for admission. If a student didn’t have some extracurricular activity that they excelled in, sports, music, etc, plus some experience in community volunteering, they didn’t get in. Personality was huge, as well as the school’s needs. If Harvard needed a goalie for the hockey team, marks were secondary! Many of the school’s Asian students were accepted. They were exceptional students as well as people. However, the kid with the best marks in the school, an Asian as well, did not get recruited. He was brilliant, but socially backward, and had no other interests outside of grades.
I went to an elite prep school, and was very friendly with a girl who was a lacrosse goalie. She was a superb goalie and an excellent student. While she graduated in the top 20% of the class (and I know she took demanding courses), she was not Harvard material. Seven sisters, Cornell, Duke, some of the better small liberal arts colleges, yes. But she knew, and we all knew, that she was going to Harvard because she was a superb goalie and their current goalie was graduating.
Meg, sports (and mega bucks)always tops the list at Ivy league recruitment offices.
However, in the world of Caltech & MIT (where even being in the top 5 % guarantees nothing)the top 20% doesn’t even get you into the reject file.Why? Because the 20 percentile student wouldn’t dare send in an application, knowing full well where it would land-in the garbage heap!
Students are well aware which schools sell out to the highest bidder. Tragically, the Ivy degree has been for sale for decades. I wouldn’t have paid a plug nickel for their sheepskin for my sons. Hopefully other parents will get a clue.
Sadly, I must note that MIT is not as meritocratic as Caltech these days. There is substantially more minority affirmative action at MIT and the former MIT Dean (the one accused of fraudulently making up her degrees) Marilee Jones instituted a system of more “holistic” admission. I know at least one black student with grades and test scores below lower end of Caltech who recently got into MIT from a local high school despite none of his much higher ranking/scoring classmates getting in. Moreover, it is known that in recent years some Asian students near the top of the Caltech pool were rejected by MIT when in previous decades there would be near perfect overlap (we’re talking international Olympiad winner, phenomenal evidence of superstar ability, etc.) at this level.
Just Google Marilee Jones and look at the debates that her admissions policies have produced among MIT alums.
One Harvard prof I know argued with me about this and defended MIT by saying, “Since they started emulating Stanford in admissions, they have done much better with fund raising.” Nuff said.
MIT started tilting the scale in the late 1970′s, in favor of “minorities” but particularly in favor of women. The sex ratio at MIT went from 12% female to 35% in a decade. Circa 1990, I’m told, the physics department rebelled. “We’ve taught the same material in Freshman Physics for 50 years. The entire course catalog is built on the assumption that the kids learn this material in the freshman year. And now you’re sending us kids who can’t pass the course!” Supposedly the percentage of nerds admitted went back up for a couple of years.
When I was there in the mid-1980′s, it wasn’t hard to spot the classmates who “didn’t belong”. Plenty of women “did belong”, but the ones who didn’t were mostly women.
So far as I know, MIT’s grad school admissions are unaffected by this distortion.
College admissions officers want two things: 1) to fit in with their politically correct crowd, and 2) rich alumni. Item 2 explains the preference for wealthy families and for “leadership potential”.
coriolanus, what you wrote about Caltech & MIT is indeed correct. I was mostly noting that both schools, when compared to the Ivies, still stand out. While Caltech is ABSOLUTELY meritorious, MIT has (slowly) opened their doors to minority blackmail.
Nevertheless, when it comes to real minorities (Jews are the largest minority of all, at least when compared to overall population)Jewish students have to jump through more hoops than any other group. Luckily, my son’s portfolio was impossible to overlook, despite having two strikes against him-white AND Jewish!
Although MIT still has many more Asian students on campus than the ‘hallowed’ Ivies, a smattering of unqualified Blacks/Hispanics- (and other ‘minorities’)at least by MIT standards-are scattered about campus. Despite their admission, MANY of these students do not make it through the first year. Their glaring academic inadequacies cannot be papered over, even by minority obsessed administrators.
I recall several such students who ‘disappeared’ by sophomore year. When I asked my son what happened to them, (several where in his dorm) he said they just couldn’t hack it. Simple as that.
So, at least at MIT the wheat is separated from the chafe. At the Ivies, weak minority students are merely promoted from grade to grade, some even garnering ‘A’s.
Macro: The event you refer to (the physics department “rebellion” (it was more one or two professors making a very public fuss)) was tied to a drastic change in admissions policy. After a long term but not professional admissions director retired MIT hired a pro, who actually paid attention to the official faculty admissions criteria his predecessor had totally ignored. The result was what I call two “lost years” of students, many of whom struggled mightily to keep their heads above water. (In both cases, the prior and new directors, severe self-selection in applicants saved the day.)
After that the faculty got a clue, but there’s no denying that some of the core requirements that everyone has to take have been watered down so that for example the vast increase in acceptances and yield of women could happen. That said, the serious, difficult majors are still just that, you can’t fool Mother Nature nor are the departments (and their controlling Visiting Committees) willing to water down their sub-brands.
No diversity for mothers or veterans.Leftist cliques control elite admissions at most schools.At University of California campuses,illegals from other states get preference over veterans from California. Young mothers and religious kids are toast if considered white.An Hispanic sounding last name is worth hundreds on your SAT score. Political control is being used to control academia admissions.
There is one group that is over represented at the UC schools ant that group is North African Moslems, Arabs mostly. They simply list themselves as African Americans thereby scamming the system. What’s more, the politically correct admissions people don’t care. The current “qouta” system was designed to give Blacks, the real African Americans, a hand up. Although I don’t agree with this system, it isn’t being used for its intended purpose. This creates an over representation of Moslems at the direct cost to American Blacks. Yet, there is no outcry about its misuse.
This is because Muslims outrank blacks in the liberal’s oppressed minority/victim group hierarchy. Remember when a black NPR newsman was fired for expressing discomfort with fully garbed Muslim fundamentalists on his flight? The most radical, jihadist Muslim is considered the uber-victim, and to the uber-victim go the spoils. For a liberal, some are more equal than others. As I see it, this is the hierarchy of equality, from most oppressed to least oppressed:
Muslims
Gays
Blacks
Hispanics
American Indians
Women
Asians (including Indians)
Jews
White Christians
Can you prove that?
Jeremy Lin of the NY Knicks is Chinese American who went to Harvard and plays in the NBA. He is also a Christian.
Impressive guy. Brains and brawn.
He is also persistant after getting cut by the GS Warriors and Houston Rockets. His family wants him to come back to California and get a job in High Tech.
According to Malcolm Gladwell, writing in the October 10, 2005, issue of “The New Yorker,” the president of Harvard University in the 1920s, A. Lawrence Lowell, “stated flatly that too many Jews would destroy the school.” Gladwell says that the whole complicated process of college admissions arose in order to keep out Jews. Today, however, its targets may be Asians, who are accidental victims of anti-Semitism.
If the liberals truly wanted racial equality they would remove the ‘Race’ and ‘Sex’ sections on every application nationwide. They shouldn’t even be able to see someone’s name until after they have accepted an applicant, then you can’t even guess the person’s race/sex by that either.
At some point, a wealthy Asian businessman will step forward and start a new university which doesn’t discriminate against Asians. He’ll hire away all the best and brightest Asian (and other) professors, and take all the best and brightest Asian students.
At some point, a wealthy Asian businessman will step forward and start a new university which doesn’t discriminate against Asians. He’ll hire away all the best and brightest Asian (and other) professors, and take all the best and brightest Asian students.
And how long do you think it would take before Eric Holder’s Justice Department would be charging it with discrimination and violation of civil rights laws for using objective criteria, even if it was completely private and took no Federal funds or student financial aid? Might be possible if the campus was not on US soil [British Columbia comes to mind, Vancouver now being known as "Hongkouver"].
Long ago, when the world was new and I was a young American of Chinese descent college student, the Asian-American community in our state put together a project; a private project with no government funds involved, to build an apartment complex near a Buddhist Temple and have a complex of Asian stores on the lower levels. The idea was to run it at about break-even so that the older generation of retired first-generation-here Asians could have a place close to the temple and to the foods and other items that they were used to that they could afford. It also involved rehab-ing an area that was … blighted.
The Feds stepped in, hard. The intent to take care of our own low income elderly was considered prima facie evidence of racial discrimination. The complex is now full of white yuppies, and incidentally the rents are reflective of as much as can be gotten out of them.
As far as the Ivy League schools are concerned, being an alumnus indicates neither ability nor an education worthy of being hired over a decent graduate of any public university. In fact, frequently the opposite. The sole advantage to a company of an Ivy League graduate is the possibility of personal connections to members of the Political Class. If I had a business where I was hiring college graduates; I would throw applications from the Ivy League in the circular file.
My dad came from China, alone and 12 years old, just before the Great Depression. At the time, under American law Chinese were not classified as human beings in this country [That was the case till 1943 when America finally gave up its extraterritoriality rights in China. My dad got his citizenship after that with Patton's 3rd Army.]. He told me while I was growing up; that to get the same rewards as a white person, I would have to work 3 times as hard as they did and be 3 times as smart. Actually, not a bad motivator. And you bet I told the story to my kids.
Fortunately, blatant public discrimination is not as bad today. And with the degradation of the US school system, and the current cultural opposition to hard work and self-reliance; that “3 times” barrier is a lot lower.
For the record, of my 4 children; one has a 5 year double degree from a non-Ivy League private school, one just graduated Magna cum Laude from a state school. One is running a good sized business she owns, without a degree. And one is going to school part time while running another business.
Subotai Bahadur
You are right. At one point (about 30 years ago maybe) an accreditation group even threatened Caltech because it didn’t have enough NAMs. Fortunately that didn’t go through, but the fact that it’s a threat makes it hard to create competition.
This discrimination particularly galling in California, which has a long history of anti-Asian laws dating back to the 1800′s. One law from the early 1900′s made it illegal for immigrant Asians to purchase land. That law was never repealed, but was voided by a Supreme Court case, but not until 1952. Discrimination by universities is just the same Anti-Asian discrimination California has practiced since its inception.
If the rationale for affirmative action is to make amends for past wrongs, then Asians in California have a claim to being at the front of the line, not the back.
As an Asian-American Ivy League alum, this has been known to us for at least 30-40 years.
But I’d like to point something out for all of you decrying the “legacy admits”. Since the Ivies have had roughly 10% of each class be Asian-American for the past 30 years, if you think the Legacy system will survive for long, you’ve got another thing coming. We will see that preference disappear just in time for our kids to be applying to our alma maters.
When my two sons are near college applications time, I plan on fully gaming the system. Of course, i will have donated thousands to my alma mater for years by then. We will also relocate temporarily to say South Dakota, or Mississippi, since “geographic diversity” is a factor that the admissions office checks off. Both my sons will claim to be gay or bisexual at the very least, since the admissions office can’t actually check that claim. Depending on how American Muslims treat those who convert out of Islam (in Islamic nations, that’s a death penalty crime), they might claim to be Muslims; if they couldn’t claim to be Muslim and then “change” their minds once admitted, then they’ll claim to be faithful Wiccans, or perhaps adherents of a Cherokee religion. Since so many Asian-American applicants excel in music, but tend to focus on the popular instruments (violin, piano), my sons will specialize in timpani and the English horn.
Or… they might just skip college altogether and I’ll give them the $250K that an Ivy education will cost by then to start their own businesses.
You guys are kidding yourselves if you think that Caltech or MIT do not suffer from the PC and diversity diseases. It is manifest in faculty and staff hiring, post doc appointments and choice of grants, research team appointments and funding. Have a look at some of the MIT course offerings and student groups. It also affects graduate admission. It is often focused more on gender, than on race, but race too is creeping in. Moreiver, I do not really believe than now undergrad admissions are not effected either: Two applicants being equal the female or the non-white will win.
It may not be as blatant as the Ivies, but it it there. I was shocked at it the last time I went up to the MIT campus (which was about a year ago).
CalTech and MIT aside, this has a devastating effect on the nation: For every mediocre minority applicant elevated, a more competent white applicant is turned away. Since it is not just Ivies we are talking about but rather the entire country, what we have done is s elevated a group of arrogant and mediocre soft socialist (or worse) to the leadership positions of our nation’s institutions. Those people have decidedly racist attitudes to the race who actually built those institutions. They in fact will have a contemptuous and destructive understanding of those institution. This all is a grave threat to this nation.
The white majority, particularly those whose families have been here for 6 or more generation, the people whose in mostly built this nation, are being turned into a low cast social class right before their eyes, and in a couple of generations.
This group the Left particularly hates and lusts to destroy. Of course, if they get their way what would be left would be a hell on earth for they have nothing to replace it with but rags and ruin. We would end up like Brazil.
The solutions are not many. Either we kick the Liberals and Marxist out of power across all institutions and exclude them from them, and repeal the race laws, or have a major race war. The Left is hoping that they quickly can so impoverish hapless whites that the later becomes impossible.
Really, one combs though history to find a nation that has committed suicide the way America has these last 50 years or so.
It may be too late already to turn this around. The Left mean the destruction of the USA, and the destruction and degradation of the white race, particularly the middle and lower classes. If you do not think so, look at how they portray white Americans in their media.
The vicious propaganda used to frame the portrayal of whites, particularly in the places like the south or the mid-west, is beyond belief. If one where to portray blacks in Brooklyn or Oakland this way you would have the Feds at your door.
We are losing this nation. We may never get it back, or if we do it might not be worth having. This is the legacy of the white baby boomers and their indulgent parents. Thet allowed this Communistic, nihilistic revolution to happen.
Calm down. The ancestors of most American blacks have been here far more than 6 generations. Many date back to the 18th and 19th century. The British and American governments and people discriminated against them from 1620 through the earlier 1970s and many times violently. Any protests or complaints from them were greeted by everything from deaf ears to brute force. So forgive me if I say that we whites are whiners. Ms Barber says she was hurt by AA but never says how. She went to a HSBC so that wasn’t it. She supposedly went to Temple Law School but also says she was in a drunken fog some of the time. So, what gives? No matter, the answer is more quality colleges and universities to accommodate ALL of our kids. Ms Barber is a race-baiter, no better than Sharpton or Jackson.
What I learn from this article is that Black are stupid, Hispanics are not as stupid as blacks, Asians are smart and white folks are not even considered.
Nice country you got there America!
Your statement says more about your cognitive abilities than it does about the U.S. and its citizens.
Good luck on getting your GED…
When asked what his race was, my brother checked the box for “Other” on the college admissions forms. Dared the college to prove him wrong.
I view over representation of Asians in any school as an indicator of a good school. It’s about culture, not race. Asian parents tend place a very value on academic achievement and work very hard to make sure their children go to the best schools. Therefore, the school with lots of Asians is probably a very good school and a school that Asians avoid is suspect.
For most of American history – the most productive and successful part – Americans as a whole were described as hard-working, self-reliant, rugged individualists.
Over the past five decades cultural and societal changes brought about by identity-group politics, and other corruptions have changed that.
Today all too many in this nation have become “Dependent-Americans”.
Dependent-Americans come in all races, genders, and sexual-orientations but are most accurately identified as mere faceless members of one or more Politically-Correct groups with a life-style dependent on government quotas and “free” (redistributed) money and benefits, and for reliably voting for increasing their dependency – even to the point of “celebrating” their dependent status as a “right”…
You’re wrong. The reason Americans enslaved blacks is that whites WEREN’T hard-working and industrious or competent. And unless you specify exactly how many folks are getting ‘handouts’ and under what programs, you’re just spouting nonsense and perpetuating unproven myths.
I hated racial approach to admission when tried to enter Moscow University in 1986, and do not see any reason to like it now.
A month ago I was choosing students for our summer program in Israel (2 months of math). I was really surprised to see how different the students are prepared: those from the top Russian Math.Dept. already get some very good new results, i.e. are (very young) working mathematicians, and US students mostly just started to learn something, in between some courses like “Moral foundations of modern politics” (exact name). All students are after 2-3 years of studies. In short, US students are paying a lot, but the education they get does not allow them to compete successfully (it was clear that at least some of the applicants were smart etc., but their knowledge level just was too low comparing to competitors).
I will not recommend to my son to go to Harvard for undergrad math studies, he will get better (and cheaper) education in Israel. Or in HSE in Moscow.
P.S. But graduate studies is (still?) a completely different thing.
The Asians need to suck it up and deal with it and stop taking spots that are rightly reserved for minorities. Justice Sandra Day O’Connor said in 2003 that we would only need affirmative action for 25 more years, and we are already 9 years in now. In 14 years, they’ll be able to go wherever they want to college without worry. Until then, they need to stop being selfish.
My medical school up to 1960 had a Jewish quota (20 percent of the class) a women quota (no women admitted before 1960), and no blacks at all.
But back then, they usually justified the “Jewish” quota, because those dang Jews would have filled up the medical school classes if they didn’t.
Now it’s my grandkids who face discrimination for being Asian. Sigh.
How many asians vote repub vs dem? If you have one party that spits on you and holds you back, dems, and another who allows you a fair shot on your merits, repubs, why should any asian in this country vote dem? Of course most jews vote dem as well, even though they get spit upon the same way that asians do, so go figure.
– ah, they’ll be all right.
Welcome LaShawn! I hope we hear more.