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		<title>By: Judyinjerusalem</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/wrong-mr-president-%e2%80%94-jewish-settlements-expedited-peace-talks/#comment-360914</link>
		<dc:creator>Judyinjerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moho: To learn about the use of the term &quot;occupation&quot; under international law check out http://www.jcpa.org/text/occupation-sharon.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moho: To learn about the use of the term &#8220;occupation&#8221; under international law check out <a href="http://www.jcpa.org/text/occupation-sharon.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.jcpa.org/text/occupation-sharon.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about all the economic benefits to Arabs living in Judea and Samaria -- which might explain why Arabs living outside the &quot;separation wall&quot; are upset because they want to be included on the Israeli side.
A visit to Arab towns and villages throughout the &quot;West Bank&quot; will see magnificant villas built by Arabs who work for and with Jews in settlements. That&#039;s called peace. Give the people a chance -- not terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about all the economic benefits to Arabs living in Judea and Samaria &#8212; which might explain why Arabs living outside the &#8220;separation wall&#8221; are upset because they want to be included on the Israeli side.<br />
A visit to Arab towns and villages throughout the &#8220;West Bank&#8221; will see magnificant villas built by Arabs who work for and with Jews in settlements. That&#8217;s called peace. Give the people a chance &#8212; not terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Brutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it gets even better.  The ONE has decreed in his own &quot;non-meddling&quot; way that Israel shalt not allow Jews to build new homes in parts of Jerusalem.  Y&#039;know that place that he promised to the AIPAC would remain the &quot;undivided capital&quot; of Israel.

But it gets even better!  Having conceded nuclear weapon development to the Iranians (not to mention returning captured QUDS goons and other assorted murderous riff-raff) to the Supreme Enlightened leaders of Iran, we hear that Shillery has promised to protect Iran&#039;s neighbors with a missile shield which will presumably render those Iranian nukes to be of no use to them (Y&#039;know, the missile shield technology that the ONE has been cutting funding for).  After all, it&#039;s not as though some recently freed QUDS goons could arrange to truck a weapon to the Jewless part of Jerusalem or anything.

I gotta hand it to Hopey-Changey.  He has single-handedly managed to unite all of Israel in a way that we haven&#039;t seen in my life time (and I&#039;m no Spring chicken).  If only my fellow tribesmen in THIS country could wake up and be so united in opposition to the holocaust in the making!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it gets even better.  The ONE has decreed in his own &#8220;non-meddling&#8221; way that Israel shalt not allow Jews to build new homes in parts of Jerusalem.  Y&#8217;know that place that he promised to the AIPAC would remain the &#8220;undivided capital&#8221; of Israel.</p>
<p>But it gets even better!  Having conceded nuclear weapon development to the Iranians (not to mention returning captured QUDS goons and other assorted murderous riff-raff) to the Supreme Enlightened leaders of Iran, we hear that Shillery has promised to protect Iran&#8217;s neighbors with a missile shield which will presumably render those Iranian nukes to be of no use to them (Y&#8217;know, the missile shield technology that the ONE has been cutting funding for).  After all, it&#8217;s not as though some recently freed QUDS goons could arrange to truck a weapon to the Jewless part of Jerusalem or anything.</p>
<p>I gotta hand it to Hopey-Changey.  He has single-handedly managed to unite all of Israel in a way that we haven&#8217;t seen in my life time (and I&#8217;m no Spring chicken).  If only my fellow tribesmen in THIS country could wake up and be so united in opposition to the holocaust in the making!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -Indiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul -Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3.  &quot;Arab&quot; is a racist term?  Since when?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3.  &#8220;Arab&#8221; is a racist term?  Since when?</p>
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		<title>By: Moho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa: its quite obvious. The authority worshiping drones attracted to this kind of rhetoric are most attracted to the double standard. While about 70% of people who hear this kind of hypocrisy question such motives, people attracted to these websites are actually enabled and empowered by it. They lack any cohesive moral or ethical compass, living their lives basically with anything they can get away with. People like Bush and Cheney, who spoke of the power of human rights even while they violated every charter and convention meant to protect human rights, are their heroes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa: its quite obvious. The authority worshiping drones attracted to this kind of rhetoric are most attracted to the double standard. While about 70% of people who hear this kind of hypocrisy question such motives, people attracted to these websites are actually enabled and empowered by it. They lack any cohesive moral or ethical compass, living their lives basically with anything they can get away with. People like Bush and Cheney, who spoke of the power of human rights even while they violated every charter and convention meant to protect human rights, are their heroes.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14 Moho
The author Puder cited only Article 49 and you responded by quoting Articles 47,53 55 &amp; 59. I for one appreciate the additional information as I am sick and tired of the cherry picking done to stir up the rank and file. 
That said since when did we Americans give a wit about the Geneva Convention? Waterboarding violates Common Article 3 of said Geneva Convention. I guess all articles are just open to personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 Moho<br />
The author Puder cited only Article 49 and you responded by quoting Articles 47,53 55 &amp; 59. I for one appreciate the additional information as I am sick and tired of the cherry picking done to stir up the rank and file.<br />
That said since when did we Americans give a wit about the Geneva Convention? Waterboarding violates Common Article 3 of said Geneva Convention. I guess all articles are just open to personal.</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3. fnord:
&lt;i&gt;What is surprising, is the casual use of the racist term “Arab” as a generalization.&lt;/I&gt;

All the Arabs I knew referred to themselves as Arab. Were THEY being racist in referring to themselves as Arab?

What many forget is that  after the 1948 War, Jewish people who had been living on the West Bank  were expelled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3. fnord:<br />
<i>What is surprising, is the casual use of the racist term “Arab” as a generalization.</i></p>
<p>All the Arabs I knew referred to themselves as Arab. Were THEY being racist in referring to themselves as Arab?</p>
<p>What many forget is that  after the 1948 War, Jewish people who had been living on the West Bank  were expelled.</p>
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		<title>By: Nickie Goomba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nickie Goomba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s time for us all to get used to the Obama version of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time for us all to get used to the Obama version of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Moho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a deeply selective and frankly absurd understanding of the Geneva Convention, especially Article 49. I&#039;m not surprised its tolerated here, by the functionally illiterate, authority-fellating, micro-encaphalics who read this tripe regularly. 

In the first case, it is not settled history that Palestinians left of their own free will. Palestinian historians such as Benny Morris--who supported the most recent devastation of Gaza and does not believe Palestinians should get their own state--have shown that the nascent Israeli government purposefully undertook a plan to terrorize Palestinians in order to drive them out of their villages. Do your homework. Also, you left this little sentence out of your analysis of Article 49.

&lt;b&gt;The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.&lt;/b&gt;

Its the last line, so its hard to miss, so I figure you&#039;re either a very stupid person, or a liar. Your choice. 

In the second case, there is more to this than just article 49. The slack spinal cords that occasion this site are not likely to go and read the Convention for themselves, but here are some other relevant portions:

SECTION 111

OCCUPIED TERRITORIES
Article 47

Protected persons who are in occupied territory shall not be deprived, in any case or in any manner whatsoever, of the benefits of the present Convention by any change introduced, as the result of the occupation of a territory, into the institutions or government of the said territory, nor by any agreement concluded between the authorities of the occupied territories and the Occupying Power, nor by any annexation by the latter of the whole or part of the occupied territory.

Article 53

Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.

These next few are particularly relevant in the case of Gaza. Israel is still recognized as the occupying power of Gaza, a fact you probably try your darnedest to avoid talking about. 

From CNN: 
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/06/israel.gaza.occupation.question/index.html
The U.N. position

In February 2008, Secretary-General Ban was asked at a media availability whether Gaza is occupied territory. &quot;I am not in a position to say on these legal matters,&quot; he responded.

The next day, at a press briefing, a reporter pointed out to a U.N. spokesman that the secretary-general had told Arab League representatives that Gaza was still considered occupied.

&quot;Yes, the U.N. defines Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem as Occupied Palestinian Territory. No, that definition hasn&#039;t changed,&quot; the spokesman replied.

Farhan Haq, spokesman for the secretary-general, told CNN Monday that the official status of Gaza would change only through a decision of the U.N. Security Council.

Article 55

To the fullest extent of the means available to it the Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring the food and medical supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the resources of the occupied territory are inadequate.

The Occupying Power may not requisition foodstuffs, articles or medical supplies available in the occupied territory, except for use by the occupation forces and administration personnel, and then only if the requirements of the civilian population have been taken into account. Subject to the provisions of other international Conventions, the Occupying Power shall make arrangements to ensure that fair value is paid for any requisitioned goods.

The Protecting Power shall, at any time, be at liberty to verify the state of the food and medical supplies in occupied territories, except where temporary restrictions are made necessary by imperative military requirements. 

Article 59

If the whole or part of the population of an occupied territory is inadequately supplied, the Occupying Power shall agree to relief schemes on behalf of the said population, and shall facilitate them by all the means at its disposal.

Such schemes, which may be undertaken either by States or by impartial humanitarian organizations such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, shall consist, in particular, of the provision of consignments of foodstuffs, medical supplies and clothing.

All Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of these consignments and shall guarantee their protection.

A Power granting free passage to consignments on their way to territory occupied by an adverse Party to the conflict shall, however, have the right to search the consignments, to regulate their passage according to prescribed times and routes, and to be reasonably satisfied through the Protecting Power that these consignments are to be used for the relief of the needy population and are not to be used for the benefit of the Occupying Power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a deeply selective and frankly absurd understanding of the Geneva Convention, especially Article 49. I&#8217;m not surprised its tolerated here, by the functionally illiterate, authority-fellating, micro-encaphalics who read this tripe regularly. </p>
<p>In the first case, it is not settled history that Palestinians left of their own free will. Palestinian historians such as Benny Morris&#8211;who supported the most recent devastation of Gaza and does not believe Palestinians should get their own state&#8211;have shown that the nascent Israeli government purposefully undertook a plan to terrorize Palestinians in order to drive them out of their villages. Do your homework. Also, you left this little sentence out of your analysis of Article 49.</p>
<p><b>The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.</b></p>
<p>Its the last line, so its hard to miss, so I figure you&#8217;re either a very stupid person, or a liar. Your choice. </p>
<p>In the second case, there is more to this than just article 49. The slack spinal cords that occasion this site are not likely to go and read the Convention for themselves, but here are some other relevant portions:</p>
<p>SECTION 111</p>
<p>OCCUPIED TERRITORIES<br />
Article 47</p>
<p>Protected persons who are in occupied territory shall not be deprived, in any case or in any manner whatsoever, of the benefits of the present Convention by any change introduced, as the result of the occupation of a territory, into the institutions or government of the said territory, nor by any agreement concluded between the authorities of the occupied territories and the Occupying Power, nor by any annexation by the latter of the whole or part of the occupied territory.</p>
<p>Article 53</p>
<p>Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.</p>
<p>These next few are particularly relevant in the case of Gaza. Israel is still recognized as the occupying power of Gaza, a fact you probably try your darnedest to avoid talking about. </p>
<p>From CNN:<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/06/israel.gaza.occupation.question/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/06/israel.gaza.occupation.question/index.html</a><br />
The U.N. position</p>
<p>In February 2008, Secretary-General Ban was asked at a media availability whether Gaza is occupied territory. &#8220;I am not in a position to say on these legal matters,&#8221; he responded.</p>
<p>The next day, at a press briefing, a reporter pointed out to a U.N. spokesman that the secretary-general had told Arab League representatives that Gaza was still considered occupied.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, the U.N. defines Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem as Occupied Palestinian Territory. No, that definition hasn&#8217;t changed,&#8221; the spokesman replied.</p>
<p>Farhan Haq, spokesman for the secretary-general, told CNN Monday that the official status of Gaza would change only through a decision of the U.N. Security Council.</p>
<p>Article 55</p>
<p>To the fullest extent of the means available to it the Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring the food and medical supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the resources of the occupied territory are inadequate.</p>
<p>The Occupying Power may not requisition foodstuffs, articles or medical supplies available in the occupied territory, except for use by the occupation forces and administration personnel, and then only if the requirements of the civilian population have been taken into account. Subject to the provisions of other international Conventions, the Occupying Power shall make arrangements to ensure that fair value is paid for any requisitioned goods.</p>
<p>The Protecting Power shall, at any time, be at liberty to verify the state of the food and medical supplies in occupied territories, except where temporary restrictions are made necessary by imperative military requirements. </p>
<p>Article 59</p>
<p>If the whole or part of the population of an occupied territory is inadequately supplied, the Occupying Power shall agree to relief schemes on behalf of the said population, and shall facilitate them by all the means at its disposal.</p>
<p>Such schemes, which may be undertaken either by States or by impartial humanitarian organizations such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, shall consist, in particular, of the provision of consignments of foodstuffs, medical supplies and clothing.</p>
<p>All Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of these consignments and shall guarantee their protection.</p>
<p>A Power granting free passage to consignments on their way to territory occupied by an adverse Party to the conflict shall, however, have the right to search the consignments, to regulate their passage according to prescribed times and routes, and to be reasonably satisfied through the Protecting Power that these consignments are to be used for the relief of the needy population and are not to be used for the benefit of the Occupying Power.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was a well-argued article, and I learned  a lot about the Geneva convention the &quot;Palestinians&quot; are always citing in an attempt to incriminate Israeli settlements.  It seems to me that Israel&#039;s unilateral, forced withdrawal of Israeli citizens from Gaza in 2005 and their subsequent forced transfer, violates the spirit and letter of this Geneva convention far, far  more than the settlements do! Also, Palestinans &quot;forget&quot; at their peril that when Gaza belonged to Egypt, Egypt categorically refused to supply Gazan residents with electricity. Although a majority of Palestinians probably hate Israel and Israelis, many privately admit that they are far better off under Israeli than Egyptian &quot;occupation&quot; (which, I agree  with the author, is not one). Finally, Israel&#039;s population is 20% Arab; any future Palestinian state must also formally agree to let Israelis settle there (Arabs and Jews).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was a well-argued article, and I learned  a lot about the Geneva convention the &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; are always citing in an attempt to incriminate Israeli settlements.  It seems to me that Israel&#8217;s unilateral, forced withdrawal of Israeli citizens from Gaza in 2005 and their subsequent forced transfer, violates the spirit and letter of this Geneva convention far, far  more than the settlements do! Also, Palestinans &#8220;forget&#8221; at their peril that when Gaza belonged to Egypt, Egypt categorically refused to supply Gazan residents with electricity. Although a majority of Palestinians probably hate Israel and Israelis, many privately admit that they are far better off under Israeli than Egyptian &#8220;occupation&#8221; (which, I agree  with the author, is not one). Finally, Israel&#8217;s population is 20% Arab; any future Palestinian state must also formally agree to let Israelis settle there (Arabs and Jews).</p>
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