Would a Palestinian State Bring Peace?
The quotation is from the Qur’an (9:30). Ya’qoub explicitly rules out what is conventional wisdom in the U.S.: that the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Muslims is simply over land, and can ultimately be resolved if only the right formula could be found. He goes even farther, saying that if all the Jews left “Palestine,” Muslims should still hate them, because it is their responsibility before Allah to do so. “It is Allah,” continued Ya’qoub, “who said that they are infidels. Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing. Allah said: ‘You shall find the strongest men in enmity to the disbelievers [sic] to be the Jews and the polytheists.’”
That also is a passage from the Qur’an (5:82). Then there was Muhammad Hussein, the mufti of the Palestinian Authority. In January 2012, Hussein quoted the notorious genocidal hadith in which Muhammad says that the end times will be initiated by Muslims killing Jews in large numbers: “The reliable Hadith,” noted Hussein, “in the two reliable collections, Bukhari and Muslim, says: ‘The Hour will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: “Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”’”
The imperative to hate and kill Jews is thus based on core texts of Islam – not dusty texts that no one has consulted for centuries and that everyone has forgotten about, but key passages of the Qur’an and the teachings of Muhammad that Muslim authorities (including many more than just the two quoted above) have cited numerous times in recent years. It is not primarily based on resentment, real or trumped-up over the alleged actions of or even the existence of Israel.
These are obvious facts to anyone who studies the depth and breadth of Islamic anti-Semitism, but they elude our governing authorities and the mainstream media due to their unshakeable determination to ignore anything that connects the Islamic religion to violence and hate, despite the open willingness and even eagerness of Muslim spokesmen like Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub and Muhammad Hussein to do so.
As long as this willful blindness continues, both Democrats and Republicans will continue to offer solutions that won’t solve anything, and will only make matters worse. The “two-state solution” is foremost among them. As the jihadist rockets once again rain down on Israel, it’s time to abandon it forever.
“As long as this willful blindness continues, both Democrats and Republicans will continue to offer solutions that won’t solve anything, and will only make matters worse. The “two-state solution” is foremost among them. As the jihadist rockets once again rain down on Israel, it’s time to abandon it forever.”
Also foremost among this willful blindness is COIN(“Winning Muslim Hearts and Minds”), and as our “Partners in Peace”, as our generals (all of whom George S. Patton, a real general, would have had shot by now) call them, and whom our generals have ordered our troops to train and arm, shoot our troops, it’s time to abandon COIN(“Winning Muslim Hearts and Minds”) forever.
Well, if ‘peace of the grave’ is the intended outcome, then by all means, let the Pals have a state. And we all know who intends to be the gravediggers.
Be that as it may, the ‘good cop’ Fatah/PA terror junta is NO different than their Hamas counterparts. Their struggle is one for internal control, but both want Israel dead and buried.
And it is not as if ALL of the evidence isn’t before us…and Israel’s leaders (mostly)know the dangers…and the Islamist-in-Chief is hip with the outcome. Each have their own reasons to say ‘this or that’, but no matter…the jihadists rock on.
Alas, the PA/Fatah/Hamas Islamists are all shades of Islamic terror. And by definition, they are incapable of making’peace’ with Jews, or other infidels. This is not hyperbole. It is the G-d’s honest, non-PC truth.
For further edification, please review – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/13/islam-blood-a-groundbreaking-policy-paper-contained-herein-the-world-stands-on-a-precipice-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-109/
This blogger has zero compunction about posting it as many times as necessary. It is THAT imperative to digest!Our western lives depend on internalizing said facts!
Nobody can deny that Israel is in a difficult situation. But the reality is that ceasefires are not a solution.
The ground offensive was the answer so long as the intent was to destroy Hamas once and for all.
If American threats to withhold spare parts for weapons is really the problem then shouldn’t a priority be to create independence from America when it comes to weapons production?
I find it hard to believe that with all of the technological successes that Israel has had that it would not be possible to achieve this with some political will on the part of the government.
In the end no matter what happens there will never be a final resolution to this until a victory has been achieved which the terrorist groups must be destroyed.
Listening to uninformed idiots or worse, listening to people like Obama who are more interested in saving the enemy will not help Israel to succeed in the long run.
One cannot win the hearts and minds of people who possess neither.
Well if you kill all the muslims there will be peace
A “two-state solution” that would work is to have a state of release and a state of quarantine, and all Muslims would be restricted to the later state, by whatever means necessary, for the rest of eternity, although I am reasonably confident that they would have all perished by each others hands long before that.
This is tall order I see to unite the Christian ,Jew and Muslim . How did God do this uniting wacko brothers of chosen Joseph? With man this is impossible but with God all things are possible
To start with Christian must first look at their own house cleaning to help them gain God’s approval I believe and not keep kissing the butt of atheist and beast whores
Revelation 2
“20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.”
Yikes!
Yeah Christian terrorists like to recite that just before they detonate their Bible sanctioned suicide vests for Jesus.
Troll, get a clue.
the only problem being most Christians do not take the Bible literally. it’s a book of allegory.
something not good happen to numbers of the Jews ,Christians and Islam people becoming misled and what happens to them in the afterlife ? Have they become like the Mountain men of Dunharrow the oath breakers and the atheist Leo Strauss types have the power to mislead them in the human life in our day
What to do?
The problem, Mr. Spencer — and please be aware that I agree with all of your points — is that once we accept that Islam and its adherents are permanently at war with all that is not Islamic, we must either:
– Embrace the fact of the war and prosecute it from our side, or:
– Surrender to Islam.
But ours is an era in which the great majority of men “think” with their wishes rather than with their reason. If the objective evidence and the logic that leads from it compel a massively unpleasant conclusion, why, then we’ll just deny the evidence and close our ears to the logic. War? Ick! We’d much rather live in a world in which everyone is fundamentally nice, only a few are “misunderstood,” and all “issues” can be settled for a few hectares of land and a few billion dollars of international extortion.
No matter what generous gestures Israel might make to them today or tomorrow, there will be no peace with the Palestinian irredentists until all of them are dead — and the Islamic states of the region will stiffen their jihadist spines against any development that militates to the contrary.
Dead? That’s genocide. I though w were past that as ivilized people.
No one expects peace with Islam. However an armed truce where the penalty for pushing the envelope clearly demarcated and executed is good enough without resorting to genocide. Clearly israel has forgone the chance to clarify the envelope this time,making the next time bloodier.
As for the Pal-state, its already in existence, usurped by the Hashemite dynasty, which is being shaken to its foundations. Once the Syrian Sunni uprising against the alawites succeeds (inevitable as much as it is bloody) the Hashemite despot will not last long. The Pal-state east of the Jordan will then be recognized as such initially by Israel, then by the reluctant West, and be made the destination for disaffected Muslims now occupying the West Bank of the Jordan.
Dead. Dead. I said it and I meant it.
The Palestinian irredentists aren’t important in isolation, but as a bludgeon the Islamic states of the Middle East can use against Israel. Those Islamic regimes are the true engines of HAMAS, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, and the other violence peddlers among the Palestinians — and they will not cease to flog Israel with them until the last of their Palestinian cat’s-paws is dead.
The Islamic states of the Middle East want to see Israel destroyed for religious reasons. The Palestinians are their preferred instrument for doing so. As long as there are any credible descendants of the Palestinians who left Israel prior to the 1947-1948 war — i.e., persons who can wail about having been dispossessed by the Jews, and demand a “right of return” — the Islamic states will use them to wreak violence against Israel. Israel will have no choice but to respond…and to court savage condemnation from the rest of the world for daring to defend itself.
The Palestinians are soldiers in a holy war, backed by millions of other Muslims who support them with money and weapons out of religious obligation. They will not concede Israel’s right to exist as it is while they live. The other states of the region will do nothing to constrain them. However, they cannot win; therefore, they will die. As we mathematical types like to say, quod erat demonstrandum.
The Gaza dum-dums receive the MOST monies and ridiculously unsubstantiated empathy of ANY country the last 12-15 years.
What have these trans-Jordanians, who are not even wanted nor welcome by their native Jordan done with this boatload of money, materials and pity?
The t-J’s overwhelmingly elect and reelect a terrorist ‘government’, their commerce if that’s what you’d call it is completely and utterly MIA.
Their homes, businesses are a hodgepodge of poorly enforced and poured rebar and cement resulting in poor foundations, flaking cement and/ or thin sheet metal walls.
These very same people ALLOW, allow missiles and terrorist cells to operate, organize and grow beside their homes, their mosques and children’s playgrounds with NO backlash! For decades!
If this is t-J’s present day/ response with their abundant amount of cash, UN and outside sources aiding their supposed ‘society’, imagine their direction if given yet another unearned pity parade.. i.e. statehood.
The quagmire that is Burkina Faso is run more efficiently than Gaza.
Give them their state. Then, with their first missile, declare war and attack them. LEVEL the place as an existential threat to the state of Israel and dare anyone to lift a finger.
I agree.
When Palistine is a state and nation it comes under all the rules of Land warfare, Geneva conventions and common sense.
A declared war by either side or a sneak attack by Palis on Israel would follow natures course and the problem is solved.
The Palestinians will never accept a two-state solution. Tactically, it would eliminate their best weapon against Israel, which is the phony image of helpless victimhood that statelessness confers upon them. Legally and morally, statehood would make them responsible for their own outrageous behavior. Psychologically and politically, the Palestinian people have been so radicalized that no Palestinian leader could accept a two-state solution. No, they will never accept anything other than a one-state solution, in which the one state is their own, encompasses the whole of Palestine, and not a single Jew is alive within its boundaries. Should they achieve this, expect them to go to war with Jordan – their real homeland – as fast as they can arm themselves for it.
Spencer wrote: “For his part, Mitt Romney promised to “recommit America to the goal of a democratic, prosperous Palestinian state….”
I reluctantly voted for Romney November 6. Sadly, Romney and the Republicans sought to out-Obama Barack Hussein Obama on Israel, the Middle East, the global jihad, etc. Romney did not even challenge Obama on Benghazi in the third debate. Governor Romney told Dan Gilgoff of U.S. News & World Report, “Jihadism” is an entirely different entity from Islam. Romney rebuked Gingrich in the December 10, 2011 debate when he (Gingrich) said the Palestinians are terrorists; an invented people dedicated to Israel’s destruction. Romney took the side of the terrorists. Romney fought Christian conservatives on our national platform writing committee in behalf of the Palestinian jihadists. Republican Establishment and elite figures assured us Romney was the only candidate who could beat Obama. I never bought it. There is much to commend the assertion that the Republican party is the “stupid party.”
What’s the alternative? We already know the status quo will bring decades of the same, unless you kick everyone out of Gaza and the West Bank. That’s not going to happen.
Give it a shot. There’s no alternative. If there is, let’s hear it. Or is the status quo okay? Certainly a state won’t make the most radical Arabs happy. They want one state – an Islamic one. That’s not going to happen either. Let them have a state. At worst it’ll be more of the same. At best Israel can say to the international community, “What’s the problem now?” That’ll have a certain amount of traction for Israel as the lack of a Palestinian state is the number one gripe.
Are you ill-informed or are you a naif?
It would be a terrorist state much like Gaza, but with a border running a few miles from the densely-populated area around Tel Aviv to launch rockets from, control of the high ground overlooking Jerusalem, and an uncheckable inflow of weapons and terrorists from hostile Muslim countries. And whatever the Israelis shall say to the “international community,” they will not be listened to any more than they are right now.
That’s missing the point. The Israelis could abdicate every square foot of their country to Palestine and every Jew in the world could decamp to Antarctica or some other unoccupied piece of the planet, and the anti-Semitism that’s fueling the killing wouldn’t go away. A two-state solution doesn’t address the underlying problem, which is that a certain percentage of the Muslim world believes that killing the Jews is a holy endeavor. You don’t fix fanaticism with politics.
I noticed none of you offered a solution. Killing throughout all eternity is it then? Waiting for the PAs to “calm down” before Israel allows them a state is like waiting for Americans to convert to Islam to calm radicals. What’s the plan, what’s the real world end game?
Besides moronic comments about dropping a-bombs and other expressions of mass murder.
Gaza’s like a miniature Afghanistan – the more Hamas men you kill the more pop up to replace them. These people are nuts. They can’t be worn down or scared off. They have a population to hide in. The more overt violence against Hamas the more Hamas uses it to say “See?”
What is the solution then? As is, nothing is changing. If it is, point to it.
I noticed none of you offered a solution. Killing throughout all eternity is it then?
Hugh Fitzgerald has written on this many times on Jihad Watch. I quote a suitable excerpt found with google:
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One can call for a “Two-State Solution” (and that it is a “solution” is obvious – otherwise it wouldn’t be called a solution, now would it?). One can utter this phrase a hundred times, a thousand times, a hundred thousand times. But it will not create a reality any realer than what the belief-system of Islam creates, and insists upon.
Let everyone get this straight: there is No Solution to the Jihad against Israel that is based on further Israeli retreat from the absolutely infinesimal territory it now controls, given geography (the heights of Jordan), the traditional invasion routes (from Egypt through Gaza, an invasion route with 2000 years of history behind it), the demographic imbalance, the ratio of length of border to size of territory (Israel even at present has the highest such ratio in the world). Look at a map. Look at a map with Israel pressed back in to the armistice lines of 1949 (the very lines that the Arab states refused to make permanent). And as you look at that map, look not with your own eyes, but with the eyes of a Believer.
How can it be, you (that pretend Believer) ask yourself, that this offense contra naturam, this outrage to Islam, can continue to exist, so small, so vulnerable, so frail, smack in the midst of the dar al-Islam? It simply cannot be.
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Let us, ladies and gentlemen, cut the crap. There is no solution, much less this idiotic “two-state solution,” to the relentless Jihad against Israel. It is permanent, it is endless. Israel’s size is irrelevant. Its existence is the affront. There can not be an Infidel sovereign state in the middle of dar al-Islam. Not every single Arab and Muslim heart palpitates at the thought of Israel’s destruction – but almost all of them do. If you are some ex-diplomat (say, Edward Djerijian of the “Baker Center” down in Houston), confidently assuring listeners that “of course, everyone knows pretty much what the final agreement will have to look like” – well, no, not everyone. Because all Muslims know that the notion of “pacta sunt servanda” (treaties are to be obeyed), is not a given in the law of war and peace in Islam. The only relevant model for treaties between Muslims and Infidels is that of Muhammad’s treaty with the Meccans in 628 A.D., the Treaty of al-Hudaibiyya.
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Not a “treaty” but Darura – necessity – is the only sure guarantor of peace for Israel. The Arab and Muslim leaders will be able to refuse to go to war if they can explain to their own people that the consequences of doing so would be terrible. And that is the only thing that will keep the peace – not a treaty. Right now, Egypt has not made open war on Israel (it has become, however, a world center of anti-Semitic propaganda) not because of its “treaty” with Israel, but for the same reason Syria does not attack – the consequences would be too severe. In Egypt’s case, of course, there is also the little matter of keeping the Americans shoveling in the foreign aid, a preposterous situation and one that, far from winning goodwill, only feeds anti-American resentment and pro-Islamic agitation because that aid is seen as supporting the luxurious Mena Island life of the rich and infamous, Egyptian-style, to wit — Mubark and his Friends-and-Family Plan.
The rest here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/01/deciphering-mahmoud-abbas.html
I don’t know who Fitzgerald is but if he wrote that he’s a moron. Again, no proposals for a solution, just endless fighting, waiting for the bad guys to all get killed or stop being bad guys. That kid stuff.
Look … You are all trying to find rationality by examining the Palestinian and the Israeli situation. The radical muslim’s hatred for the Jews is a proxy war being carried out by Islamic leaders to divert attention away from the fact that Islam and its 5th century teachings has failed it constituents. Believers of Islam are falling further and further behind the rest of the 21st developed world. Hence they, the clerics, must find a boogiemam to pin this blame on and channel all that rage somewhere else.
Fanatic Arabs, like Obama supporters who blame the rich, don’t want to confront the reality that their continued failure is of their own making, rather has been unfairly put upon them by others. This disenfranchisement excuse is being fueled by corrupt leadership to retain power. Sound familiar? Simple story. Age old story. Every ‘ism’ needs a boogieman.
Re ” Believers of Islam are falling further and further behind the rest of the 21st developed world.”
And this is your solution.
Giving the Palestinians territory in the past has never but encouraged more attacks and new land to launch them from. Giving them a state will simply be rewarding terrorism, as the previous land grants have, and lead to more terrorism and war.
Forget all this talk about a two state solution. In reality what we have today is a 57/1 state solution. The OIC [Organization of the Islamic Cooperation] will never be satisfied until there is a 57/0 state solution.
The underlying conceit of the declaration of Islam as the” religion of peace” is the same as the basic lie of multiculturalism. It is the fraudulent lie that deep down THEY are just like US and regardless of what THEY say or do, THEY hold the same values that WE do. One would think that respecting other people would include taking them at their words. When they say they hate and want to kill Jews, gays, feminists,liberty we should take them at their word. The twentieth century’s bloodshed was due to the attempt to impose ideology on reality. The blood shed in the twenty-first will be due to ideology trying to ignore and hide from reality
Our brethren in Palestine dealt the criminal Zionist regime a mighty blow.
The Zionist occupiers are on the run. The Palestinian Holy Warriors stood up to the arrogant Zionist oppressors who are guilty of war crimes against humanity and violating the Palestinian peoples human rights. The criminal Zionist aggressors will be held accountable for massacring hundreds of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. In their typical Zionist arrogance, they thought they would bomb Gaza, and the Gazans would surrender – but that’s not what happened. The Palestinian Holy Warriors nobly resisted the imperialist Zionists — and Allah granted the noble Palestinian people victory over their oppressors.
The fake illegitimate Zionist regime will soon cease to exist, Insha’Allah. Its demise is imminent. The Zionist occupiers are unable to defend themselves from the Muslim Ummah that surrounds them.
We are 300+ million in the Middle East surrounding the tiny Zionist state of less than 6 million treacherous Jews. In the Middle East you are outnumbered by more than 50 to 1. Demography is destiny. We will swallow you Zionists up and spit you out into the sea. There is nothing for you Zionists in Palestine but death. Our brethren will turn Palestine into a graveyard for the Zionists, and their followers. Go back to Germany, Russia, Poland. The noble Palestinian people will expel the invaders & establish Sharia in Palestine, Allah willing.
The end of the fake illegitimate Zionist regime is near. We will liberate Al-Quds from the Zionist occupier. The pathetic Zionist entity is drowning in the sea of the Islamic Great Awakening. Allahu Akbar!
We are peaceful, as the Koran teaches. Murder is forbidden. But killing in self-defense is not murder. If an oppressor lays violent hands upon us, are we not obligated to defend ourselves?
Why don’t you simply acknowledge that our religion is the problem and not the Jews. If this tiny state with 6 million people is capable of functioning in the 21st century, why are we and our Islamic Brothers not? We have oil, a rich history of intellectualism and yet we squander it on petty differences and hatreds tracing back to the 5th century. We are easily manipulated to sacrifice ourselves by Zealots. Do you not see how foolish this is? How can you possibly think that if Islam would take over the world that we would be any better off than we are now?
Our brethren in Palestine have been again incapacitated by the usurper obama to deal the criminal muslim regime in occupied Palestine a mighty blow.
Unfortunately the muslim occupiers are not still on the run. The brave Palestinian Criminal Holy Warriors, hiding behind women’s aprons and baby’s strollers are however still guilty of war crimes against their own Palestinian human rights. The criminal muslim terrorists will be held accountable for massacring hundreds of innocent men, women and children in Gaza, since they can’t fight a straight war and instead need to use human shields. In their typical cowardly muslim arrogance, they thought they would bomb Israel, and the Israelis would surrender – but that’s not what has happened. The brave Palestinian Holy Warriors thugs keep targeting schoolyards and parks and buses but allah (pig’s piss be upon him) hasn’t granted yet the noble Palestinian people victory over their oppressors.
The fake illegitimate muslim theocratic ideology will soon cease to exist, Insha’Allah. Its demise is imminent. The muslims criminals are unable to attack from the Muslim Ummah that surrounds the Jews, because they know that in a fair battle, they’d be shattered to pieces and sent to their awaiting virgins.
There are only 300+ million in the Middle East surrounding tiny Israel with 6 million Jews. In the Middle East muslims outnumber Jews by more than 50 to 1 and yet, to our everlasting disgrace, muslims cannot even come close to us. We are better in science, medicine, human rights, education, country-building, moral, ethics. We have a better army, a better air-force, a better navy. If theirs was better, they would have already used to exterminate us by they can’t. Demography is destiny. Muslim will kill muslim as shown in Gaza, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt. Hopefully they will swallow each other up and spit them out into the sea. There is nothing for you muslims in Palestine, unless you are willing to abide by human decency and common sense. Otherwise our brethren will turn Palestine into a graveyard for the muslims and their leftist sympathizers. Go back to Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia. The noble Jewish people will expel the invaders & establish Talmudic and universal humane law, whether allah wills it or not.
The end of the fake illegitimate muslim regime is near. We will liberate the Temple Mount from the muslim occupier. The pathetic Waqf is drowning in the sea of the Jewish enlightenment, they know it and they are trembling.
We are peaceful, as the Torah teaches. Murder is forbidden. Even killing in self-defense is frowned upon in Judaism and used as a last resort. However, if an oppressor comes to kill you, we are obligated to defend ourselves and kill you first. That’s the part that criminal muslims like you don’t like so much, A Jew defending himself against a subject of allah and even gaining the upper hand. Is that maybe the reason of your hateful rage?
Well played and true.
There are only two ways for there to ever be peace in the Middle East, and honestly there is really only one. But being ever the optimist the two ways are (1) Arabs kill all Jews or (2) Jews kill all Arabs. As long as there is one living Jew in the Middle East, Arabs will not allow peace. And honestly, even if the Arabs killed off all of the Jews, they still wouldn’t be satisfied and there would still be no peace. They’d simply refocus their internally fueled anger toward the Christians. Or the Buddhists. Or the…. Or the….. Until all that was left on the entire planet were Shiites and Sunnis…… and then they’d be fighting themselves. It’s really rather sad.
We’ve gone from the hope of a peace of the brave to the hope of a peace of the depraved (meaning small enough civilian casualties so that the government can blithely go on with its business). The only solution now is expulsion of the territory Arabs to the thriving countries of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, etc. With the rising Islamic sense of one nation under the Caliphate they have never been more likely to be welcomed as equal citizens. It is a win for the Jewish people and a win for the Islamicists. This is a window of opportunity that will not last long.
The two-sate solution will not work in Israel, but it has an excellent chance of success here in America.
TWANLOC: Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen
Just for reference….
How many muslim peace songs have there been in the past thousand years?
None?
Oh.
Guess this Christmas season I’ll still break out my collection of Christmas carols (hundreds, if not thousands) about “peace on Earth” and “Still, Still, Still” and the like.
I’ll wait for Akkkkkcchhmed Macchhhhhmed to write something equally inspiring and I’m betting it’ll be a long wait.
Religion of peace, my ass.
There simply cannot be any chance of peaceful co-existence, when one side (so-called Palestinians) officially calls for the destruction of the other (Israel). Oh they’ll talk peace, as long as it gets them a platform (& territory) with which to stage further attacks upon Israel. To them, the mere existence of the sovereign government of Israel is all the “provocation” they need to stage all sorts of criminal & inhuman atrocities. They refuse to acknowledge the reality that GOD Himself guaranteed not only the right of Israel to exist, but that existence would in fact continue FOR ETERNITY, as recorded in Genesis 17:8. It is NOT “fiction”. It is FACT. There have only been interruptions or pauses in God’s plan & convenant with Israel, mostly due to Israeli leadership straying from acknowledgement of dependence upon God from time to time (Diaspora etc), leaving the Israeli population open to attack or conquest. Those that refer to themselves as “Palestinians” are descendants of those who have repeatedly refused to recognize Israeli sovereignty for 1000′s of years. They are NO different than their predecessors.
Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
For the SoCons, just so they understand what I’m saying, here:
Remind the Christians to speak evil of no man, to be not brawlers, but gentle, showing meekness to all men.
No!
Would anyone like to know who/what Allah is from a historical point of view?
Yeah, go ahead please.
I really thought everyone knew, but here is my understanding of Allah’s history.
Allah Akbar is Arabic for the god is greatest. Allah means the god in Arabic, and the god was one of 360 gods at the Kaabba Muhammad made everyone worship, or get their head cut off.
The god was a god Muhammad’s family worshiped. His Uncle was named after him, and at the time of Muhammad those living in the area knew who, or what the god was. It was the moon god Sin. The son of the Sun god.
As Muhammad lived in the 7th century, the god had already been around for several thousand years. Sin, or Tammuz was the offspring of Nimrod, and Nimrod’s wife and mother Simiramis the Queen of Heaven, and earth mother goddess. This is the pagan Babylonian religion that is embraced throughout the world.
The New Age calls for the return of the son of the Sun god to lead them. You can read it for yourself at Lucis Trust. Islam, and Allah are of the world system. The world system loves it’s own.
As Islam worships a false god, and follows a man prone to murder, I do not believe there will be peace between Islam, and the Jewish state.
Would a Palestinian State Bring Peace?
Well, Lebanon was created as a Christian state, until the Muslims decided that was unacceptable. Israel could go back to their pre-1967 borders, it wouldn’t matter. Jordan could have made a permanent home for the Palestinians for 20 years before Israel inherited them, but instead stuck then in refuge camps as a political tool. Israel was blamed for that too.
The only thing that Israel could do to placate the Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslimes would be to cease to exist. Israel knows this quite well. It’s just the rest of the anti-Zionist world that pretends that this isn’t a fact.
Even if Israel ceased to exist, our arrogant Muslim brothers would be at war with someone they found offensive. Barbarians never want peace.
Look at the history of Israel-Palestinians relations.All the fighting terrorists like Arafat was in the center of the admiration of the World of Israel-haters.After any peaceful agreements they all lose the interest.When inhuman Hamas,the promised Israel liquidator appeared all the eyes are fixed at it. BBC have just wrote in delight that the Hamas` credit is growing (with the terror agains Israel ). They all need some current invocation against Israel- let it be “the two state solution “
Can I ask the question, what would have happened had not Europe and the United States found it to be a good idea to reconstitute a new country in the middle east?
Civilizations advance by conquest. I get that. The weaker civilizations fall,soldiers die but the human race is the better if the best prevails.
What is the point of this half way conquest we are carrying out now? Perpetual war because we haven’t the sand to take what we want, and we haven’t got the honesty to say its not ours and leave either. The conquered remain in permanent war but are never brought into the empire , as it were, to at least takes the fruits of civilization.
The biggest complaint I can see is how would a father in an utterly failed mess like Palestine want anything else but to find a means to immigrate with his kids to Israel.
John! Your generous inclusion of the Palestinian Jews(just after Russian Pogroms and nazi Death camps) into the successive wave of your Western civilization admires me! Your racial ideas of the British empire times ajusted to Israel looks ridiculous.
“The imperative to hate and kill Jews is thus based on core texts of Islam . . . . . key passages of the Qur’an and the teachings of Muhammad that Muslim authorities have cited numerous times in recent years. It is not primarily based on resentment, real or trumped-up over the alleged actions of or even the existence of Israel.”
Unless anyone can unambiguously refute this their views are worthless – and this applies to most politicians.
Behind the Scenes: Palestinian Demonstrations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDohNq9BORo&feature=player_embedded