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		<title>By: Well Educated Cad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Well Educated Cad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, jHarp, you are a lawyer. The vast majority of Cerebral Palsy is NOT caused by medical malpractice- I know. My sister had cerebral palsy and she is why I went into medicine and later learned the truth about CP. You, on the other hand, earn your money on the suffering of brain damaged children while blaming innocent doctors for their misfortune. Which is why, on the whole, I&#039;d rather associate with Doctors than lawyers. And I do not see a lot of lawyers doing missionary work- I guess there&#039;s no money in it.
    If we are so keen to copy the British medical system, why don&#039;t we copy their Legal system of &quot;Loser pays&quot;? Lawyers are like ticks, sucking the lifeblood out of the American system- medical, and all other businesses. Perhaps we need a system like Medicare to handle our legal system and reign in the outrageous salaries of attornies? Call it &quot;LegalCare&quot;. Then the government can dictate to you how much you earn and what you can do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, jHarp, you are a lawyer. The vast majority of Cerebral Palsy is NOT caused by medical malpractice- I know. My sister had cerebral palsy and she is why I went into medicine and later learned the truth about CP. You, on the other hand, earn your money on the suffering of brain damaged children while blaming innocent doctors for their misfortune. Which is why, on the whole, I&#8217;d rather associate with Doctors than lawyers. And I do not see a lot of lawyers doing missionary work- I guess there&#8217;s no money in it.<br />
    If we are so keen to copy the British medical system, why don&#8217;t we copy their Legal system of &#8220;Loser pays&#8221;? Lawyers are like ticks, sucking the lifeblood out of the American system- medical, and all other businesses. Perhaps we need a system like Medicare to handle our legal system and reign in the outrageous salaries of attornies? Call it &#8220;LegalCare&#8221;. Then the government can dictate to you how much you earn and what you can do!</p>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having the corporate profit motive in the exam room is even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having the corporate profit motive in the exam room is even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Jacksonville (Fla.) Public Libraries have avoided a lawsuit by abandoning their short-lived practice of presenting a “Hogwarts’ Certificate of Accomplishment” to young readers who finished the latest—and at 734 pages the largest—of the Harry Potter books.

Liberty Counsel of Orlando, a religious legal-defense group, told the September 12 Florida Times-Union that it was satisfied with the library’s decision to stop handing out the mock diplomas to those who completed Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.
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Liberty Counsel President Mathew Staver objected that “witchcraft is a religion, and the certificate of witchcraft endorsed a particular religion in violation of the First Amendment establishment clause.”

I think we can safely say that any analysis of any legislation by Liberty Counsel should be peer-reviewed by someone less differently-sane.

And WND should really consider that there might be a few doubts about their objectivity. This is as bad as CNN deciding that Green Left Weekly was a reliable source, or that the Socialist Workers&#039; Party was unbiased and objective.

So much of US politics these days doesn&#039;t seem to be about Left vs Right, things that rational people can disagree about. It&#039;s about hysterical nonsense, stuff that&#039;s made up, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories, while the tax-evaders and pork-barrel kleptocrats funnel money to genuinely dubious causes under cover of the hysteria. The character-assassins who attacked Palin, and the Birth-Certificate conspiracists, they&#039;re two sides of the same coin. Conservatives do their cause no good by allowing the loonies to take over the asylum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Jacksonville (Fla.) Public Libraries have avoided a lawsuit by abandoning their short-lived practice of presenting a “Hogwarts’ Certificate of Accomplishment” to young readers who finished the latest—and at 734 pages the largest—of the Harry Potter books.</p>
<p>Liberty Counsel of Orlando, a religious legal-defense group, told the September 12 Florida Times-Union that it was satisfied with the library’s decision to stop handing out the mock diplomas to those who completed Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Liberty Counsel President Mathew Staver objected that “witchcraft is a religion, and the certificate of witchcraft endorsed a particular religion in violation of the First Amendment establishment clause.”</p>
<p>I think we can safely say that any analysis of any legislation by Liberty Counsel should be peer-reviewed by someone less differently-sane.</p>
<p>And WND should really consider that there might be a few doubts about their objectivity. This is as bad as CNN deciding that Green Left Weekly was a reliable source, or that the Socialist Workers&#8217; Party was unbiased and objective.</p>
<p>So much of US politics these days doesn&#8217;t seem to be about Left vs Right, things that rational people can disagree about. It&#8217;s about hysterical nonsense, stuff that&#8217;s made up, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories, while the tax-evaders and pork-barrel kleptocrats funnel money to genuinely dubious causes under cover of the hysteria. The character-assassins who attacked Palin, and the Birth-Certificate conspiracists, they&#8217;re two sides of the same coin. Conservatives do their cause no good by allowing the loonies to take over the asylum.</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50. SDN:  Thanks.

54. Chris:

&quot;Regarding Vivo’s question about legislating caps on malpractice liability, it has been done in several states. The problem is that state legislators are generally lawyers who tend to be sympathetic to Trial Lawyers lobby. &quot;

Very illuminating points. It&#039;s a shame lawyers seek to enrich themselves with people&#039;s suffering and place a financial burden upon the rest of us.  They are probably CINOs (Christians In Name Only).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50. SDN:  Thanks.</p>
<p>54. Chris:</p>
<p>&#8220;Regarding Vivo’s question about legislating caps on malpractice liability, it has been done in several states. The problem is that state legislators are generally lawyers who tend to be sympathetic to Trial Lawyers lobby. &#8221;</p>
<p>Very illuminating points. It&#8217;s a shame lawyers seek to enrich themselves with people&#8217;s suffering and place a financial burden upon the rest of us.  They are probably CINOs (Christians In Name Only).</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>51. SarahW:

Addressing someone as &#039;stupid&#039; and then plunging with an explanation is very impolite.  Do you want me to address you as &#039;bitch&#039; and then give you a paragraph?  Are part of the herd thinking of uncultured pajammers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>51. SarahW:</p>
<p>Addressing someone as &#8216;stupid&#8217; and then plunging with an explanation is very impolite.  Do you want me to address you as &#8216;bitch&#8217; and then give you a paragraph?  Are part of the herd thinking of uncultured pajammers?</p>
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		<title>By: jharp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zenpig:

#42
You are absolutely correct in your observation that world health statistics are reported differently between nations and are continually used to malign the U.S. health care system. 
_____________________________________________________

Again, a very popular wingnut talking point.

And without any supporting evidence. None, nada, zilch, zero.

Maybe it&#039;s time for you folks to admit the obvious. Our health care system sucks and is in dire need of major reform. It has become so costly that we&#039;re actually going to try a system that&#039;s works very efficiently in every other country in the world.

Imagine that.

I know it&#039;s gotta be hard to take that a black President is going to get the credit for it. But face the facts, your guys had their chance and blew it. Monumentally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zenpig:</p>
<p>#42<br />
You are absolutely correct in your observation that world health statistics are reported differently between nations and are continually used to malign the U.S. health care system.<br />
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<p>Again, a very popular wingnut talking point.</p>
<p>And without any supporting evidence. None, nada, zilch, zero.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time for you folks to admit the obvious. Our health care system sucks and is in dire need of major reform. It has become so costly that we&#8217;re actually going to try a system that&#8217;s works very efficiently in every other country in the world.</p>
<p>Imagine that.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s gotta be hard to take that a black President is going to get the credit for it. But face the facts, your guys had their chance and blew it. Monumentally.</p>
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		<title>By: jharp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He plans to do this for only the next few years though because he believes the next step by our government will be to take away his license to practice medicine unless he plays ball.&quot;

You are a lunatic. If you truly believe this I feel sorry for you.

And if your doctor friend too believes it, well, that is pretty frightening that we have utterly delusional people practicing medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He plans to do this for only the next few years though because he believes the next step by our government will be to take away his license to practice medicine unless he plays ball.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are a lunatic. If you truly believe this I feel sorry for you.</p>
<p>And if your doctor friend too believes it, well, that is pretty frightening that we have utterly delusional people practicing medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: zenpig</title>
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		<dc:creator>zenpig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42
You are absolutely correct in your observation that world health statistics are reported differently between nations and are continually used to malign the U.S. health care system.  Infant mortality is exactly one where the U.S. reports on every single instance from every member of society whether legal or not and does so starting from admittance of the mom in labor.  France, for example, does not include infant mortality reports if the infant dies within 24 hrs. of birth with many European nations of similar though differing reporting methods..that alone skews WHO stats beyond black and white.  Canada, as another example, does not by it&#039;s definition of it&#039;s own legal definition of their native population fully report statistics for them as &quot;Canadian&quot;.

This I learned as part of a stats class required for a degree in Sociology from a liberal(not a big &quot;L&quot; one)professor who advised to always take a deeper look at what was behind those numbers..particularly in WHO reporting.  One thing that is very hard to argue against is that by far the U.S. has the best cancer recovery rate of any Western nation.  We can attribute that to many things including the value/cost we place on health in this nation as well as the inordinate amount of R&amp;D that occurs here...our current system is far from ideal but I really don&#039;t feel that emulating other nations with the scope of the current proposed bill is any answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42<br />
You are absolutely correct in your observation that world health statistics are reported differently between nations and are continually used to malign the U.S. health care system.  Infant mortality is exactly one where the U.S. reports on every single instance from every member of society whether legal or not and does so starting from admittance of the mom in labor.  France, for example, does not include infant mortality reports if the infant dies within 24 hrs. of birth with many European nations of similar though differing reporting methods..that alone skews WHO stats beyond black and white.  Canada, as another example, does not by it&#8217;s definition of it&#8217;s own legal definition of their native population fully report statistics for them as &#8220;Canadian&#8221;.</p>
<p>This I learned as part of a stats class required for a degree in Sociology from a liberal(not a big &#8220;L&#8221; one)professor who advised to always take a deeper look at what was behind those numbers..particularly in WHO reporting.  One thing that is very hard to argue against is that by far the U.S. has the best cancer recovery rate of any Western nation.  We can attribute that to many things including the value/cost we place on health in this nation as well as the inordinate amount of R&amp;D that occurs here&#8230;our current system is far from ideal but I really don&#8217;t feel that emulating other nations with the scope of the current proposed bill is any answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#66

This will probably interest you.  I have a doctor friend (he is a surgeon for urological matters - not sure what you call that) who sent out 600 letters to other doctors and patients that effective Dec. 31 he would no longer take any insurances public or private.  He feels that it is a certainty he will soon no longer be able to make ends meet even if HR3200 is not passed.  He says he spends OVER half his time on paperwork now.  His plan is simply to go pay to play.  You want a surgery - write him a check.  I pointed out to him that it seemed unlikely that most people could pay what that would amount to and he responded that, on the contrary, everyone will be shocked at how little he will have to charge once he is out from under the insane system we have created.  He plans to do this for only the next few years though because he believes the next step by our government will be to take away his license to practice medicine unless he plays ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#66</p>
<p>This will probably interest you.  I have a doctor friend (he is a surgeon for urological matters &#8211; not sure what you call that) who sent out 600 letters to other doctors and patients that effective Dec. 31 he would no longer take any insurances public or private.  He feels that it is a certainty he will soon no longer be able to make ends meet even if HR3200 is not passed.  He says he spends OVER half his time on paperwork now.  His plan is simply to go pay to play.  You want a surgery &#8211; write him a check.  I pointed out to him that it seemed unlikely that most people could pay what that would amount to and he responded that, on the contrary, everyone will be shocked at how little he will have to charge once he is out from under the insane system we have created.  He plans to do this for only the next few years though because he believes the next step by our government will be to take away his license to practice medicine unless he plays ball.</p>
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		<title>By: Don't Tread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don't Tread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DocDavid -- I agree.  :) In fact, the sign I was holding at a recent rally while I asked pro-Obamacare supporters those questions read: &quot;If Obama and Congress won&#039;t sign up for the health care plan, why should I have to?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DocDavid &#8212; I agree.  <img src='http://pjmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  In fact, the sign I was holding at a recent rally while I asked pro-Obamacare supporters those questions read: &#8220;If Obama and Congress won&#8217;t sign up for the health care plan, why should I have to?&#8221;</p>
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