With Mass Murderers, a Different Profile
A look at some of the highest-profile cases reveals the trend. The Columbine murderers, Harris and Klebold, were both from intact homes. Likewise the Giffords shooter, Jared Loughner. Same for the Aurora movie theater killer, James Holmes; Michael Carneal, of the 1997 Heath High School massacre; the 2006 Amish school killer (who was not Amish); 2007 Virginia Tech killer Seung-Hui Cho; the 1998 Thurston High School killer Kip Kinkel; and the 2008 Northern Illinois University murderer Steven Kazmierczak (whose mother had died two years before the shooting, but when Steven had already turned 26). Although he fits a somewhat different pattern of crime (political terrorist), 2009 Ft. Hood shooter Nidal Hasan also grew up in an intact family.
Exceptions are the San Ysidro McDonald’s (1984) shooter James Huberty, who grew up in a home in which a parent had abandoned him, although it was his mother who had left. Similarly, notorious Oklahoma mass murderer and terrorist (omitted from the list because he was not a shooter) Timothy McVeigh’s parents divorced when he was 10, but he was raised by his father rather than his mother.
However, for the younger of the two Beltway snipers, Lee Boyd Malvo, (technically not a mass murderer but a spree killer, which is a related phenomenon), fatherlessness does seem to have been a potent factor, motivating him to fall under the influence of the older John Mohammed. He acted as a substitute father — although, unfortunately, a psychopathic one.
2005 Red Lake massacre perpetrator Jeff Weise also stands out from most of the other shooters as having had a very disruptive family life from an early age, with father absence almost certainly a significant part of the problem (his father had committed suicide when Weise was nine). The perpetrator in the 1989 Cleveland School massacre had a similarly chaotic background. Two other mass murderers on the Mother Jones list had divorced parents, and one had lost his father when he was a young boy.
But these are the exceptions rather than the rule; the evidence for absent fathers in this group is hardly overwhelming, and nothing approaching the high percentage of absent fathers (39%) in the early lives of the population of incarcerated criminals as a whole.
To be sure, none of this data on mass murderers constitutes a scientific study. But reading their stories, it is hard not to come the conclusion that there is something far more deeply and profoundly wrong with these people than the absence or presence of a father could ever explain.
No surprise; psychosis isn’t caused by divorce.
What about tha Satan worship?
Will no one address that?
You are on to something there. Also, for how many years were these young men subjected to the continual humiliation of being told in school that their ancestors were all evil racists, that their parents are ignorant tools of greedy, environment-destroying capitalists, that merely by being male they are guilty of “patriarchy”, and that all the natural effects of testosterone are pure evil and must be suppressed at all costs? How many of these young men have had to suppress their shame and rage when siblings or even, in some cases, their own offspring, were aborted by their mothers or girlfriends?
The Leftist social agenda is very satisfying for urban, apartment-dwelling, ambitious, career-minded, upwardly mobile, deracinated, atheists. For everyone else, it is deeply offensive. For every young man who cannot control his natural rage at the Leftist hegemony, there must be 100,000 who suffer silently in fear of being branded “intolerant”, or “racist”, or “homophobic”, or “extremist”.
A few of these folks are not psychotic (not to take away from your important point that most are). Rather, they seem to be psychopaths, and the origin of that is often obscure (i.e. they’re really evil, and we often don’t have a clue why). I suspect this is true of the Columbine killers (or at least the alpha male).
Don’t forget Andrea Yates, the Texas mom (married) who drowned her five children. In a high capacity bathtub.
She was battling mental health issues, postpartum depression amongst them, getting psychiatric help and was on medications.
Andrea Yates was also on psycho tropic drugs, as was every “school shooter” of the last ten years.
Every single one of them. One manufacturer quietly added “homicidal Ideation” as one of the “rare” side effects…rare meaning “less than one in one thousand” but they have MILLIONS of people on them today, so do the math people.
As for the Newtown Massacre, as a Firearms Instructor of 30+ years, I have to blame the mother for the Magnitude of the tragedy.
When you have an obvious mental defective in your household, you never EVER condition them to become “competent” with a firearm.
You never, EVER expose them to how they operate.
You never, EVER “ teach them “which way the bullets point” when loading one, how to change magazines, rack the slide, and all the other little hand coordination/muscle memory skills EVERYONE must be “shown” at some point, to actually operate a firearm. Cognitive and emotionally challenge children on PRESCRIPTION MEDICINE FOR THEIR EMOTIONAL/PERSONALITY DISORDERS, have absolutely no business handling their parents firearms, period.
Yes, they say he was a “smart” kid, a real math wiz, but a “smart” person couldn’t re-load an office stapler if they NEVER SAW OR HANDLED ONE BEFORE, unless someone showed them how.
People are not born with gun handling skills, and TV/movies USUALLY does it wrong. Its been my experience that ‘Hollywood trained” shooters who say “I can do it” while handling their first “real” handgun usually “lock-up” at some point after a few shots….
One example, they usually cant figure out how to open a cylinder on a revolver… Smith and Wesson Vs Colt, the latches move in opposite directions …if you don’t “know” which way its “supposed” to go, its very confusing the first time when its “not the same as you saw on TV”. Youre stuck for at least a few seconds looking down while you “figure it out.”
With Automatic Pistols, the inexperienced are quite often “surprised” by how much force is needed against the recoil spring to work the slide..they think its “jammed” and don’t quite know what to do without assistance.
My point is, its things like THAT that can get a “first time firearms user” to fumble, pause, panic and get tackled before they can kill 26 people.
Put it this way:
If that phyco-freak Adam Lanza was 13, not 20, and ran over 5 people with a car instead of shooting them…. what would you think when it was revealed his parents TAUGHT HIM TO DRIVE THAT CAR SINCE HE WAS 12.
Wholesome family fun? Nothing to do with what happened?
Or a stupidly irresponsible and dangerous thing to do, given his diminished mental capacity?
If it WAS a car, no one would be calling for a “ban” on “hot-rods”, or questioning the tire sizes on “ all-wheel-drive turbo-sedans” with over 300 Horsepower, would they?
But politics are what they are, so its every RESPONSIBLE gun owners job to keep the Adam Lanza’s AWAY from your guns. Teaching one to shoot is a really, REALLY bad idea.
For everyone.
On my planet, firearms are quite simple to learn, load, and fire.
Yes, indeed they are simple to LEARN.
That is precisely why you dont TEACH such things, to the mentally unbalanced.
Better they should fumble trying to teach themselves how this thing works for the first time, when they decide to commit murder…
Rather than have some prior experience to make it THAT MUCH EASIER TO DO.
“A LITTLE knowledge is a dangerous thing”
Lanza’s mother also violated one other basic rule of gun ownership. How did the nutbag get his hands on her guns? When I had young kids in the house my guns were locked in a safe that only my wife and I had the combo to. It’s even easier today – you can get a biometric locking safe that opens in seconds for your fingerprint.
She’s dead, but what the hell was that woman thinking?
We have very few facts about the Labzas. We have seen no proof that Adam killed his mother or if he was even at Sandy Hook. There is audio and film on You Tube that contradicts every aspect of the official narrative. Check it out.
Right. The tooth fairy shot her repeatedly. Sigh.
…or if he was even at Sandy Hook…
Lanza shot himself in the school, you babbling moron.
Please. Go away.
Adam Lanza was not mentally defective. She may have thought that he needed a healthier hobby than online gaming. A lot of perfectly sane people develop schizophrenia in their late teens or 20s, and becomes these sort of tragedies.
The man who shot those children was not defective? Hello?
No video of the shooter or shooters entering the school. No explanation for “two shadows” running past the gym. Just for starters. The media never saw the crime scene. First there was two handguns and a rifle. Sat. it was four handguns, but the rifle was left in the car. Then it was the rifle only but the medical examiner refused to identify the caliber of the bullets. That alone makes the police story unreliable. The contradictions are endless. Listen to the police scanner and see the footage of a man chased into the woods and handcuffed. Never identified. Don’t be a sucker.
I’m not sure we know what Lanza’s problem was. The press is not exactly accurate with this stuff. They say he was an Aspie, but so are a whole lot of really productive folks, and I don’t know of any association of Asperger’s with violence.
But he was the right age for a psychotic break – schizophrenia or pyschotic mania or whatever delusional disorder.
While no responsible person should be deprived of his right to gun ownership, it seems responsible to keep guns away from unstable individuals. I think guns should be registered with local (not national) law enforcement and a gun safety course should be passed before gun ownership can be achieved. Embedded in the gun safety test should be questions similar to an MMPI so personality disorders may be detected. If the MMPI portion tests abnormal further testing may be indicated before gun ownership can be granted or denied. All of this should be administered locally.
In Pennsylvania before I could obtain a hunting license (I understand the difference between 2nd amendment rights and hunting privilege but lets extrapolate) I had to pass a gun safety course and pass a test. Everyone in the class passed; most were 16, I was forty and I hunt with a bow. I willingly participated in what I consider a reasonable requirements for managing a firearm. 750,000 people will hunt in Pennsylvania this year and the most likely cause of death while hunting is cardiac arrest.
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/sandy-hook-hoax-blown-to-pieces-the-actors-puppets-and-motives-gun-control-agenda-scam/
Did anybody else see this? This is very troubling.
I wonder if the guns were locked up (and Adam got the key somehow?) or just left available to Adam to get? All the talk about tighter restrictions on gun acquisition seems to have missed the fact that the guns did not even belong to the shooter.
Yes. Too many unanswered questions in this case. Mom was apparently shot with a .22, not one of the guns at the school. Did he kill her to get access to the others? There has been virtually no information about the evidence from the home and school. Why not? There is no pending criminal case; the shooter’s dead, and his mother is beyond criticism or blame. Why is everything being withheld? The debate is at full pitch, and we’re still waiting for basic facts.
Sounds more like a propaganda campaign managing info than an honest investigation
and discussion.
Yes, there have been far too many of these bathtub drownings. People should get background checks and have a 3-week waiting period before buying a bathtub. Owners of bathtubs should be required to register and submit to background checks. We simply must do something, anything, to stop these bathtub maniacs from killing our children! Anyone who disagrees with me is a cold-blooded extremist right-wing bathtub nut.
Somehow I feel uncomfortable laughing, but this is very funny.
Thomas Jefferson has a most relevant and fitting quote!
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson
The most efficient mass murderer in history has been the State – of the totalitarian variety – not any individual.
Individuals kill dozens. The Totalitarian State kills millions.
And the common denominator that identifies these ‘mass murderers’ intent is the disarming of their populations.
Before you go drawing conclusion from the missing dad data, you need to investigate the question of ‘what kind of dad was he?’ and why is he missing.
Indeed. Is the dad a drunk? abusive physically or mentally? hyper-competitive and always driving their kids and nothing is ever good enough? are they the one actually sending the kids out to deal drugs or break in houses? etc., etc. There are plenty of bad types of fathers who could mess up their kids. Quite honestly it is also possible to have an excellent father living at home with the mother and the kids still turn out lousy.
Sure a father could be a strong, positive influence IF they were a real man, but those are few and getting fewer in these last few generations.
And there are plenty of bad or guilty mothers who want to be the kid’s pal, who enable endlessly, who won’t allow correction of bad behavior. I think there might be one or two intact, first marriage families in all of Alaska, so practically every man I know has been a step parent, or at least a step-SO; I don’t know any that would do it twice, myself included. I love my wife and I intend to stay with her, but should we split up, the closest I’m coming to women again is titty bars and massage parlors; these days women are a nice place to visit, but you really don’t want to live there.
Mmmmh…. too many variables for my model.
Very cogent point! The male of the species is especially adept at being physically present but psychologically a world away. In some ways this is a useful trait, Liam Neeson was able to complete a movie despite losing his much loved wife ! Most airplane pilots can attempt to rescue the plane despite being on the verge of losing their own lives in the situation. The trait is called Compartmentalization. Unfortunately like all human traits there are good effects & bad effects.
This comment, and its responses, nail the real question. Wihte, male, serial killers tend to come from affluent households, (as typically do the secularists and commies of all sorts).
The absentee father is eevery bit as harmful to his kid as the absent father. He makes good money, and he gives the kid money, rather than time and love and discipline. The kid becomes spoiled and privileged, above the law. Daddy protects him from almost all the consequences. Such discipline as is administered is viewed by the kid as undeserved, mood-driven, chaotic, as it lacks any consistency or persistency.
The whelp feels unloved and worthless, as a result. He lashes out. He takes it all out on others.
Define “intact.” The biological nuclear family has been under attack for a very long time, openly so since the end of WWII. Parental authority has been under sustained and powerful assault by the schools and the social welfare agencies since the ’60s, longer in more “progressive” places. When my stepkids were still in school the thought crossed my mind more than once that the State should just set up “kid ranches” and let the lesbian social workers raise them all.
Even if the biological parents are together, there is no assurance that they are at all together on how to raise children, especially boys. Too many modern mommies won’t discipline kids in any meaningful way and aren’t about to let a man do it either. This isn’t limited to single mommies or divorcees who’ve remarried!
Art, you beat me up a while back for being in a public union. But on this issue, we agree, I hope. I have watched this for 24 years during my work in the court system, which by the way entailed taking many, many entrance and promotional exams, not just fogging a mirror, which if you will recall was what you said was the requirement for government work.
In my 5 years in the family court system of NYC under Giuliani, I watched first hand numerous families dismembered because dad or mom whipped a child. In one instance, dad slapped a girl when he came home and caught her blowing a guy on the family couch. He was jailed and ordered out of the home. In another instance, dad was jailed because he used a belt to whip a child who pulled down another fifth grader’s pants in school. One judge was reassigned because he refused to give a 14 year old girl an order of protection against her own parents when the found out she was pregnant, and chained her to a radiator at night while she slept in a desperate attempt to stop her from running around the Bronx.
Rudy, the drag queen, refused to reappoint judges who allowed any family accused by social services to remain fully intact. He insisted that all humans brought into the system for any reason be punished, and all families suffered under the heal of social service agencies in NYC during his reign. He was not, and is not a conservative. He was a bully.
Yes, Art, the government destroys families first and asks questions later. Agreed?
Art’s beaten me up a few times too, because he’s sharp as a razor and never misses a beat.
He’s a straight shooter, but you have to be prepared to “defend” yourself because its .45 hardball all the time.
Wadcutter target loads wont cut it against him, believe me!
Naw, I’m just a cuddly, lovable fuzzball really!
You should tell the story of the 14-year old girl to Michael Savage and have him finesse it as a modern version of his famous Nymphomaniac’s Father story.
Oh, I’ve had my run-ins with the nice lesbian social workers at the Child “Protective” Services. I know the game, and, better yet, knew their boss, so I could keep them from railroading me because of a whiny stepkid; some poor sucker in a baseball cap doesn’t have a prayer against that system.
I don’t know where Guiliani fit into what you’re saying about the NY system, but I think the pressures are the same Nationwide. Leftists and radical feminists dominate both education and the child “protective” services/social work/juvenile corrections fields and they act in symbiosis to undermine men specifically and the nuclear family generally. I always tell Republican gubernatorial candidates that the only thing they have to do to get the cops and corrections officers’ support is promise them that you want put a social worker (the lesbian part is implicit) in charge of corrections or anybody with an advanced degree in criminal justice or psychology in charge of law enforcement. ‘Course the other thing is tell them is to never put somebody who came up through the ranks in charge either.
Oh, and what I think I said that the ability to fog a mirror was what it took to get most government jobs and there is a practical reason, two actually, for that: it is too damned expensive for a legitimate government to actually validate testing or to defend subjective hiring decisions and Democrat governments have constituencies that couldn’t possibly qualify were there objective criteria. Governments that care about performance use the probationary period to get rid of the worst and the promotion process to screen the rest of the way up. Democrats don’t care about job performance, only voting performance, so they have different standards.
Which is why I took exception to a government bureaucracy considered merit based.
What was the word/concept you taught me… Weberian”?
Some are pretty much merit based above the entry level. Outside law enforcement, pretty much all of them are “fog the mirror” at the entry level. Democrat governments are all “Member of the Tribe” based at any level unless they get in trouble over something. When they get in trouble, they’ll hire somebody competent to fix it and then send them to the outer darkness. In places where they can’t get in trouble, i.e., Blue states and cities, they don’t do that competent stuff.
Naturally, a problem affecting 1% of families is used as an excuse by the state to pass laws that affect 100% of families, thereby ensuring that the same or worse problems ends up damaging 50% of families. No intelligent person believes that the state can solve social problems, or should even try to. Therein lies the problem: only about 30% of the people are intelligent, and only about 10% of the college educated are intelligent (yes, you read that right: modern education is merely a money-making machine that sells pieces of paper to people who should have been learning how to pick grapes).
The Constitution is pretty clear about what we need government for, which is very little. Unfortunately, those few things the state is supposed to do leave little room for grand-standing. Real, proper government is pretty boring. It is our own fault for allowing our own emotions to be exploited by politicians. That’s why we end up with catastrophes like the welfare state and the “dictatorship of the idiot smile”.
There is a strong tendency, especially among the emotional left to do something “for the children”. You watch. None or almost none of Obama’s solutions, when scrutinized wouldn’t have stopped the Sandy Hook shooting or will prevent another shooting. I don’t really like the idea, but the most practical is to have the school security improved. We have all kinds of security all over the place. Why not at schools?
As far as background checks and so forth they may help in some cases, but they really can’t predict what people will snap and when. People focus on Schizophrenics, but studies show they are majority less violent that the average population.
Look at the DoD for an example. Almost none of the most damaging insider spies were caught by the Government background checks.
A mother of two girls, 11 and 15, I married a man with a son, 13. We merged families. My girls had been raised to tell me, when they wanted to go anywhere, the following: Where I am going, Who will be there? What will we be doing? and What time will I get home? This was normal and natural. My step-son just left the house without saying anything whenever he wanted to. This was the way he had been raised. My husband did not back me up when I tried to get the boy to answer the four questions. He started sneaking out at night, got into drugs, was arrested for shoplifting and marijuana and dropped out of high school. My husband is a good man but just didn’t get that loving a child includes keeping tabs on them and having expectations. End of story: we got the boy into a “boot camp” kind of school and straightened him out. He graduated college and now is finishing business school. God is good. Parenting is hard.
This is a remarkable column with some absolutely fascinating information. A major skew in this presentation is the absence of race in the discussion. I do not think there are many Black mass murderers who seem to be largely white or Asian, from intact, mostly middle class families (as identified in this article) and almost all have a lifetime of social and sexual dysfunction. I am not as pessimistic about the possibility of identifying these perps in the near future BEFORE they act. We do need better categories of this crime. We probably won’t be able to identify WHEN people will “snap” but certainly we should be able to identify the ones at high risk of “snapping.” Merely providing this information alone might prevent future mass killings.
In some ways, the profiles of mass killers parallels that of serial killers. They are predominantly white males in the 20 to 35 year age range. The main difference is that mass killers seem less sexually motivated, i.e., their victims are not chosen on the basis of sexual orientation or a desire for sexual intercourse, forced or otherwise.
Ideation and symptomatology are generally different. Unlike serial killers, mass murderers do not often have previous occurrences of “warning behaviors” such as arson, the torture and killing of animals, etc. One common factor that does exist is that both sort of killers are often substance abusers.
Both also often have previous records of mental illness. Previously, this resulted in a track record of treatment, often in institutional settings. Today, that is no longer the case.
Serial killers tend to have criminal records, however; they rarely “start out” with killing, rather they have previous experience as petty criminals before embarking on a campaign of sex murders. Those without such a prior record are usually found to have committed such lesser crimes without ever having been caught.
Mass murderers, by comparison, rarely commit prior offenses. In other words, they don’t generally “act out” until they are ready to kill.
What this means is that potential mass murderers are not as readily detectable as potential serial murderers.
See Whoever Fights Monsters by Robert K. Ressler.
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Violent crimes in 2011 numbering 1,134,527 added to aggravated assaults numbering 703,975 plus 13,913 murders and manslaughters gives one a different perspective when considering possible gun control measures. Looking at these nubers one could reasonably ask themselves a lot of questions. Questions like how many of these individuals ‘were’ eligible to be gun owners, or were gun owners. How many, if gun owners, were carrying a gun or what would have been the outcome had they been carrying? How many were adjudged criminals before their charge and how many weren’t?
When we start talking about the full range of violent crimes being over 1M each year plus or minus about 3% there is a problem. How does this problem associate potentially associate with guns and gun ownership. I think it rather obvious that these more than one million violent crimes are NOT committed exclusiely each year by repeat offenders.
These kinds of people concerns me as potential gun owners prior to acting out these kinds of crimes. A large percentage of these people can be screened with a personality test similiar to what law enforcement uses.
Mass murder is a bad thing, but to call it a “problem” in the sense that nationwide state action is justified requires that mass murderers are a numerous and growing demographic.
Murderers, by definition, are people who, for whatever reason, decided to commit murder. Killing a human being, even a large group of human beings, is exceptionally easy to do. Guns may be among the least efficient means. Knives, explosives, incendiaries, poisons, are all far more lethal and effective, and cheaper.
If we can’t achieve murderer-control, gun-control will have no effect at all. Everyone knows this except the low-information “bluenecks” who live in New York City cowering in fear that the rest of America has too much freedom. Gun control is a purely political means to immunize a delegitimized oligarchy against popular resentment.
Emerging crazy people can only be identified by the people around them. It is our own suffocating, legalistic, credential-obsessed welfare state bureaucracy that has disempowered people to such an extent that they sit around helplessly as they watch an acquaintance lose his mind.
“Mass murder is a bad thing, but to call it a “problem” in the sense that nationwide state action is justified requires…”
You completely misread what I said and the point of what I said. I was addressing ALL assaults and violent crime classes, misdemeanor and felony, representing well over a million a year. What percentage of them involved a gun I don’t know. What percentage of them are committed by persons eligibile to own a gun, I don’t know. What percentage of those crimes would have resulted in more homicides if more people were carrying guns in public or had access to them in their homes during such commission of those crimes? These classess of crimes systemically increase over time though, in the shorter term they rise and decrease. These things should concern rational thinking people.
Minority males are statistically over-represented as serial killers, too. The criminologists and the media like to cling to any meme blaming white men, so this fact has been suppressed.
Whites, particularly white males, don’t belong to any “tribes”. Especially in America, they have no particular identity by default. That’s what sets them apart from all other groups, including white women. Related?
There are actually more of these black mass murderers than most people realize: Pough (killed a bunch of people at a GMAC office in Florida), a guy who used his PSA employee ID to sneak a handgun on board a PSA jet to kill his boss, then the flight crew, taking the whole jet down with 54 dead in the 1980s; the Long Island Railroad shooter as well.
I suspect that some black mass murderers get little attention because their victims are other blacks, the body count isn’t very high, and thus disappear into the “it’s just a ghetto crime, no humans involved” mentality of the liberal media.
Exactly. There are no black mass murderers only because we (more precisely, the political class and the press) refuse to call black killers “mass murderers”. Black and Latino gang-bangers have higher body counts to their credit than Jeffrey Dalhmer. White mass murderers attract more attention precisely because they are so rare, and so obviously deranged. The black mass murderers have more “conventional” motives such as terrotorial disputes or honor-killing, so they do not have the shock value of the more rare and more obviously deranged white mass murderers.
The difference in motive is why we in law enforcement make a distinction between “serial killers”, “mass murders”, and “gang-related” murders.
Serial killers are motivated mainly by their sexual urges.
Mass murderers are motivated by a desire to kill that is often driven by delusional thinking and aberrant beliefs.
Gang murders are mainly done in pursuit of profit, intimidating law-abiding citizens into not interfering with or reporting gang activities, or settling personal disputes. There is little difference between the Bloods, the Crips, MS-13, and the Capone (Southside Italian) and Schultz (Northside Irish) mobs that shot it out in Chicago in 1928, culminating in the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre on 14 February 1929. They weren’t shooting it out over women, or because one or more believed he had to kill on orders of the Secret Masters of the planet Neptune; they were in business (bootlegging), and were out to eliminate the competition.
Today, the bootlegged material is cocaine, meth, and etc., rather than booze, but the motivations are the same. A combination of money, protection from police interference, and personal feuds. (As much as anything else, the Massacre happened because Al Capone saw it as a chance to kill Dutch Schultz; the two men hated each other like poison.)
Different motives, different patterns of behavior. You can argue which is the worst until the cows come home, but unless you understand the “why” you’ll never figure out “who done it”, as Ellery Queen would say.
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Major skew? Major skew? How about that these perps are almost all MALE?
I could be more informed, but I think that some the background of mass kllers/”pleasure” killers (serial killers and the like), is that those who exhibit such behavior often are of above average intellegence. Since intellegence corrollates somewhat with income, and upper middle income families more often maintain intact homes, it would make sense that mass killers more often come from intact homes. There are a lot of problems connected to divorce and family breakdown (including crime). I am not sure that the cold blooded murder of strangers is one of them.
I think also in “intact” families (read: white), the general standard of living is higher so the “defective” ones are shielded from “consequences” that would get others put-out on the street, homeless, juvie, or into jail sooner.
Better schools, shrinks, and involved parents “doing what they can” to “help” with whatever “plan or program” is laid out for their kid, and an environment that has less negative responses to poor impusle control of “special” kids.
If the “special needs” kid in a good neighborhood acts up, other parents are sympathetic. In the ghetto, he’ll get punched out, the “offended” parents will fight “his” parents, or just call the cops to complain, and they’ll taze/shoot him as soon as they get out of the patrol car.
So, the “Intact Family” kids survive longer, get more prescription drugs and “fester” longer without an outlet for their violent tendencies (breaking bottles, screaming and barking at the moon is the norm for alot of Ghetto folk)
Until BANG, the go all at once, big time.
A ghetto kid with issues stabs someone at 10, tried to rape at 13, shoots someone at 15, and goes roundie-round with the justice system each incident.
“Intact family” kid gets to be 20-25, protected but festering, then shoots A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE ALL AT ONCE.
Funny how most mass shootings and serial killer are white
I like this explanation. Most white sickos go undetected by a community and a system that coddles and spoils them, thereby ultimately making them far worse. In an earlier era they would have been weeded out at a tender age and civilization would have been beaten into their sick little heads, or else they would end up on chain gangs, or hanging from the end of a rope.
A lot of these mass murderers are schizophrenic, and this is a disease disproportionately affecting the creative and intelligent. Smart kids often come from smart homes. James Holmes, for example, and the shooter at New Life Church in Colorado Springs in 2007 had a neurologist for a father.
I remember reading this book on the escalation to violence some time ago and being impressed:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Gift-of-Fear-ebook/dp/B0036Z9U2A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1358281628&sr=8-2&keywords=the+gift+of+fear
The one take-away was that there is almost always some sort of signaling behavior, even if it’s unrecognizable to the people around the killer.
After Fast and Furious I have a hard time with changing storylines, lack of available corroborating evidence (video from surveillance cams) eyewitness accounts falling into the memory hole etc. F & F was sold as an ill conceived program….give me a break. What professional with any level of experience devises a program (in this case to let guns walk) just to ‘see’ where they eventually turned up…we weren’t tagging fish for migration studies (how did they expect to ‘find’ them). So the focus on mentally ill, while maybe correct, could all too easily be a smokescreen for something not so pleasant to consider. The firefighter shooting was not too far from me. The shooter’s sudden breakdown and the rambling note left behind seemed a little over the top – maybe not – . And once again, no witnesses (that could confirm who shot) and a dead shooter. Pretty convenient and consistent theme for John Waco Holder and the gungrabbers.
My issue with the “fireman shooter” is he already killed someone…
With a freaking hammer.
We need to “off” these people, not let them out of jail.
Duh, but what do I know.
The geniuses in New York are the smartest leaders in the whole world, right?
Root,That’s right, but they let him out. He had a mental illness but they let him out without following up on him. And the first murder was with a hammer not a gun (his grandmother). Evidently he was relatively placid up to the point of the murders. But his ‘note’ indicates he was a homicidal lunatic. So now Cuomo added into the proposal for his gun law a first responder clause because of this ‘ambush’. The implications of that are yet to be seen. Remember, a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.
“And the first murder was with a hammer not a gun”
Yeah, like thats some kind of MITIGATING Factor?
All the MORE reason to off the dude then!
With a gun I could POSSIBLE imagine:
Momentary act of passion,
three inadvertent pounds of pressure on the trigger in a rage…
BANG!
OMG! What have I done!.
But A HAMMER?
Are you kidding me?
They should find every a**hole that signed off on his release and bludgeon THEM to death with a hammer.
Next supreme court justice
I agree, we need to flush the toilet with prompt regularity. You murder… you die, end of story. And not decades later, not even years. You get one appeal. Your appeal goes to the front of the line.
Loose that appeal and you dance the Tyburn Jig. Should not take longer than six months from initial trial.
Fantom, first, if somebody kills someone close to me, they’d best pray to God that the cops find them before I do because I will kill them. That said, I do not believe in the death penalty! I spent many years wrecking people’s lives and taking their jobs using the same tools and rules a prosecutor uses and I had the advantages of both being better at it than most prosecutors I’ve seen and trying cases before skilled labor arbitrators and ALJs rather than lay juries. I’ve won too many cases I should have lost and lost too many I should have won to have any faith in the system being able to do something irrevocable. I’ve seen employees railroad over personal or political vendettas. I’ve thrown cases that I was forced to take up because some appointee wanted it done and take the heat for it. I’ve seen unions sh*tcan grievants with meritorios cases because the union backed the administration. All those things happen with criminal prosecutions, too. And most people charged with murder don’t have OJ’s “Dream Team” they have either a public defender a year or two out of law school, or some court appointed lawyer doing his pro bono duty who’d rather be anywhere in the world other than defending a murderer.
When it comes to obvious criminal homicides where the identity of killer is not in dispute (Jared Loghtner, Sirhan Sirhan, Holmes, Kip Kingle, Mark David Chapman, child molesters that lead you to the shallow grave) there is no plausible “defense” for these.
The crime is Capital, the identity of the suspect incontrovertible….the “trial” need only be a hearing to review in public the FACTS, and to be sure we dont “accidentally” have the wrong guy from the Holding Cell…the DUI from last night who’s about the same height and weight as the killer? And be done with it…
If we would reserve Capital Punishment for those outrageous certain circumstances (and their are soooo many of them it makes me sick), and NOT seek it on these after-the-fact pieced together theoretical “whodunit’s”, it would solve 99.9% of our criminal justice problems.
The Government has a VESTED INTEREST in keeping Capital Punishment cases the unmanageable cluster-f*ck it currently is. Its a FEATURE, not a bug.
They need to cut the crap and get the Job Done before WE do it for them.
Having had more power in a government than most, I simply do NOT trust a government to do anything that can’t be undone. With today’s technology you can fake anything. As corrupt as many governments are and as ignorant as are most of the jury pool, the system simply doesn’t work well enough to kill people with it.
This all sounds good, until it’s your head on the chopping block.
It all sounds good till the released murderer kills YOUR family member
Its a pretty simple equation people…
Someone is GOING TO DIE from your decision (or lack thereof)
Your choices are:
A) The 9-13 year old daughter of your neighbors,
who gets to be terrorized, raped and set on fire before she’s killed.
B) The unrepentent convicted murderer, who injurs Prison gaurds tasked to watch him, and costs several million dollars to house while we pray he never escapes (because many of them DO)
As a bonus feature, failure to decide at all automatically defaults to “Victim A”, or a reasonable facimile thereof, every single DAY
You have 30 seconds.
Tick, tick, tick.
OK, I’ve lost track of the threading but this is in response to Root ’83:
If you are attached to the victim, father, mother brother, even close friend, and you are morally certain enough of the perp’s guilt to have a conversation about that guilt and your act with your conception of God, you are in my mind morally obligated to go find that perp and kill him/her; I might even help you, but I simply am not willing to entrust that power to the state in today’s world, maybe not in any day’s world.
One possibility: these murderers are nearly all cases of severe mental illness, but were not institutionalized.
Could it be that only intact families are (marginally) capable of supporting such a person? There have been some cases I know of where the family managed to keep the person barely on the rails, until the final breakdown.
With a fractured family, the person might fall out much more quickly, and would be institutionalized or imprisoned.
This is just speculation about a mechanism.
“End the Madness Now!” — professional a-level demagogue Andrew Cuomo.
It is unwise, I suggest, to take tabulations from Mother Jones without check and double-check. There is a clear bias in this particular one as was heard this morning on Glenn Beck’s radio show. MJ had constraints on the incidents that they tabulated. One constraint was that they only looked at killings where there were more than four killed.
Perhaps being in a regular family trains one to be success as a mass killer, more than being in a broken family. Being in a regular family trains a level of socialization and lessens over-reactive scene-awareness in social settings that a killer from a broken family would not have. It may be that if one includes the includes incidents where there were failed attempts to perform mass murders — zero to three dead, then the distribution would be normal or, perhaps even skewed towards those from broken families.
Rumor has it that the fathers of both Adam Lonza and James Holmes are scheduled to be called as witnesses in the LIBOR scandal. So having a greedy, unsympathetic father might be a factor.
Note that CBS TV had an interview with a neighbor indicating that Adam Lanza’s mother had been an unpaid volunteer (hence she was not EMPLOYED) in the kindergarten classroom last year, of the same first grade kids shot this year. That would explain why he went after that group of kids.
And as mentioned above, there is also indication that all these boys had been given psychotopic drugs, probably to “chickify” normal boyish behavior.
Boyish revenge against domineering feminist cultures???
Seeing as how the dad and the other brother of Lanza were both gone, it may be that both were tired of living with a woman who spent all her time and energy on a nut-job son. I’ve seen this countless times before. I had a scout who at 12 years old was making punji stakes to kill his little brother and his mom thought nothing of it, “He’s just playing.” Dad finally had enough of her and his son. It sounds bad I guess, but the dad was the only sane one in the house. We’ve always had mentally ill people, but our society has been way too permissive over the years. I had an uncle who was mentally ill, but he was very careful of what he said or did around my dad for fear my dad would beat the crap out of him. He may have been crazy, but he wasn’t stupid. Contrary to modern thinking, not all behavior is acceptable and there are norms in society. It’s one thing to be eccentric, it’s another to be dangerous.
There is increasing evidence that psychosis is a malfunction of the brain which has various physical causes–genes, substance abuse by the pregnant mother which harms the fetus, and even infections.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/05/health/la-he-ocd-strep-20111205
If that is so, then all these attempts to deal with the spree shooting problem sociologically are going to flop. You can’t prevent spree shootings by passing laws or with social workers or the Church, any more than you could prevent diabetes that way.
But you can “cure” it with an unfortunate “hunting accident”.
I do not think it is possible to preemptively protect society from mass murderers. However, it is possible to limit the scope of these incidents by ending the futile concept that there is such a thing as a “gun free zone”.
Absolutely. “Gun-free zone” means a free-fire zone for the perpetrator. The police not only do not have enough resources to get there on time, they are not obligated to protect anyone from harm anyway. You must be willing to defend yourself because no one else can be counted on to do it for you. Children must be defended by adults. We have made schools and malls into barrels of fish, free for the shooting. Every school should have armed personnel on premises, though not necessarily teachers and not uniformed (a uniform is just a wearable target.) Anything less is the height of irresponsibility.
We can use words like “sick” or “evil” to describe these people
We could if we recognize that there is evil in the world, but the utopians have told us for years there is no such thing. There is the “misguided”, there is “acting out”, and all the other code words which cover antisocial, belligerent behavior. Somewhere along the way these males recognized they could get away with being evil and the killings are the result. I think The Root 83 is correct.
As for Andrea Yates and Susan Smith, no man can understand reasonably normal women. Any bubble off level woman is simply impossible.
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Andrea Yates was so mentally ill that she was divorced from reality. She should have not even be left alone (she was hearing voices & would have been capable of anything including suicide) & yet her inept husband charged her with the care of 5 (yes count them 5!!!) young dependent children. This had disaster written all over it. Anything could have set that schizophrenic woman off, anything! The children paid the price & the husband was totally responsible.
Susan Smith was a depressed person (wasn t there an accusation of past child abuse ?) & an immature & selfish individual. I am sure the dad would have happily taken over rearing his precious sons But in her immaturity & selfishness susan clung to them for what ever reason & sadly the children paid the price similar to the Diane Downs case. (The farah fawcett movie)
So Andrea Yates murders five children but it’s the husband’s (father’s) fault?
Frankly, yes. If your spouse is demonstrably mentally ill, you get them help – you don’t put them in any position where they could cause harm to others. It would be the same as if, for instance, you were a demonstrably reckless driver and your boss told you to drive a truck or a forklift at work.
andrea yates could, possibly, have called someone to take her children. However, she had married a guy who belonged to a cult, basically. She was isolated from everyone. He was explaining that all outsiders were going to hell, stuff like that. She thought if they reached the age of reason, which is about seven, they, too, were going to die and writhe in eternal torment. She believed this more than she believed what she saw in front of her own face. You can sniff, but you don’t really see people escaping, en masse, from South Korea, now do you?
The church wasn’t church-there weren’t people around to see that she was okay.
That’s one of the functions of a church- formal, or informal, visits to check that the mom isn’t cracking up. It looks like a casserole drop-off, but it’s a community check. I’m not even sure she was giving birth at a hospital, or using an ob-gyn. I know the ob nurse called my house once a week for months, to check on me, after each kid. Not state intrusion- a nurse following up on the baby, and then asking about me.
She was living more along the lines of the Jonestown massacre. Nobody gets hopped up about the mothers feeding their children cyanide-laced koolaid, there.
And, she was in Texas, which has a fairly high concentration of conservative Church of Christ, and Jehovah’s Witness, and who knows what else. Saying she was worried about her kids being in the 144,000 entering heaven, or age of accountability, wouldn’t have really raised any red flags. They believe it, too.
My poor husband had the Christmas from hell this year, in that his mother came to visit, and when he asked her point blank about her religion, she made it quite clear that because he had left her church, she really did believe he was going to
hell, not in an emotional way, but in a ” so you’ve already booked your ride” sort of detached way. She was perfectly up-front about thinking that her own mother, her husband,her son, her sisters, her sisters’ children, and two of her own grandchildren, were going to Hell- the fiery one, with demons with pitchforks, and tails and hooves. Me, too. She’s being as nice as she can, now, because she’s pretty sure she won’t be seeing any of us in the here-after.
My husband, being raised by her, isn’t quite sure that she’s wrong. She seems to certain. He buys books on Hell, to research if he’s going, and how bad it will be. Mind you, he’s baptized in a different faith, attends church regularly, and is a remarkably good and decent man.
So, Andrea Yates could have met a stranger, shared her concerns, and had them confirmed, rather than mitigate.
YES!!!! Did you not read the post ???? Who would leave a mentally ill person who was hearing voices & having delusions IN CHARGE OF 5, 5 children under 6 years of age. Schizophrenic individuals are capable of ANYTHING from suicide to murder, would you leave a 2 yr old alone??? would you leave an alzheimers person alone?
Then YOU DO NOT leave a delusional schizophrenic the RESPONSIBILITY for 5 very needy children. Andrea Yates may have had her TV on & some remark may have been made about the Devil a schizophrenic is then capable of looking around and saying to herself “look there are 5 devils right here in front of me !!!! I better do something about that, I have to drown them !” That is an example of how removed from reality schizophrenic thinking is. Her husband is totally culpable in what happened. Frankly I was shocked that DSS did not press charges against the dad. An incompetent person is by definition UNABLE to complete the task. One does not run off to do errands and leave a 2 yr old in charge of a 5 week old baby.
Remember we had three days of contradictory reports from Newtown. We still have not seen a drop of blood, an empty mag or a shell casing. Go to You Tube and listen to the police scanner from that morning, the film footage, and some bizzare photos of kids sitting on Obama’s lap at his photo op who were said to have been killed. It was a nassive hoax and very poorly executed, made possible by a docile media who checked very few “facts.” Check the more recent reports, and there are plenty.
Just keep in mind, folks, that the left has ‘scientific’ proof that you’re all nuts.
So, when it comes to politics and gov policies about the ‘mentally ill,’ you may want to keep that thought in the back of your own mind.
Give them an inch on this issue, and next thng ya know…
We can just add Newtown to Bengahzi.
Manufactured crisis to obtain an end.
More accurately the law of unintended consequences in action.
Benghazi; Attempt to arm Syrian anti-government forces covertly + comfortable illusion that al-Qaeda was over and done + inaccurate perception of exactly who was on the other end of their pipeline = dead ambassador.
Newtown; Refusal to deal properly with people who are dangerously deranged + “gun-free zone” = dead children.
The guns were not a critical factor at Newtown. With a five-gallon can of gasoline, he could have burned the building down.
The main causative factor in all such cases is that progressives absolutely refuse to admit that their policies, born of their worldview, can ever possibly be in error. And when the inevitable catastrophe results, they immediately start looking for scapegoats (guns, anyone who doesn’t agree with their policies, etc.) rather than admit what everybody else knows. Namely, that once more they have screwed the pooch spectacularly.
And that they will keep right on doing it. Because they simply will never admit that they don’t know what they are doing.
As for the innocent people that die as a result, the progressives have been shouting “sacrifices must be made in the name of the Cause!” since there have been progressives to do the shouting. As long as the “sacrifice” is somebody else, don’t expect them to care very much.
They don’t like the rest of us all that much, anyway.
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A more common thread seems to be psychotropic drugs like Prozac. Search for SSRIs. There seems to be a lot of stories that these play a factor in mass killings. It’s not being discussed at all.
Nieli complains that, regarding Lanza, “any discussion of divorce’s harm would step on too many toes.”
That is hilarious.
No one seems to be very concerned about stepping on gun owners’ toes.
Never, ever, be afraid to step on the toes of the Leftist dirtbags who live in New York City , San Francisco, and a few similar places. They need to be humiliated and delegitimized at every opportunity. They are the real rednecks of the world, narrow-minded, xenophobic, and bigoted. I call them “bluenecks”.
When is the preference cascade going to fall. Any little league baseball coach with more than a year of experience can tell the kids without fathers during the first practice. Almost always they are the most narcissistic and the least capable. It’s just a recipe for getting the world completely backwards.
What makes a mass murderer tick???? Not being in a rubber room like in the 50′s
tick tick BOOM!
You’re missing the point. While divorce, a fatherless family, may have been a contributing factor, the vast majority of mass murderers were on psychotroptic drugs.
Mark David Chapman took four Valium before he shot John Lennon. The Columbine shooters were both on Rittalin. The list goes on.
Look at the side effects of these drugs. They include restlesness, unusual dreams, suicidal thoughts, and homicidal ideation. Think that has something to dow with it?
Of course, there are exceptions. When Charles Whitman killed his mother and climbed up the UT tower and started shooting people on the streets, it was revealed after the autopsy that he had a brain tumor. That was in 67.
That doesn’t explain Brenda Anne Spencer. She had expressed some interest in hunting to her father, so he gave her a .22 rifle for Chistmas. First day of shool, January 1979, she pretended to be sick, and she set up a sniper post from her bedroom and opened fire on the elementary school across the street. She killed the principal and a janitor, and wounded eight chidren.
When the police arrested her, they asked why? She said, “I don’t like Mondays. This livens up the day.”
The Boomtown Rats made a hit single a month later.
There’s no explaining that. It just happens. But the simple fact remains that almost all of these mass killers were on some kind of psychotropic drug.
And now everyone is arguing about gun control. What about pill control?
Identify the problem. Only then will you find the solution.
Correlation does not imply causation. We have always had a small fraction of a percentage of mass murderers in the population. People thus inclined generally behave in ways that others find alarming, leading to the vast majority of them being given psychotropic drugs. The drugs don’t work on everyone, so the inevitable happens.
I believe there’s a bigger story behind the Adam Lanza incident.
According to the descriptions of his home, his mother seemed to be deliberately programming her son to become a killer.
He appears to have been the prototypical “sleeper” agent who was being groomed to commit a heinous act. Like Frankenstein’s monster, he eventually turned on his creator and then fulfilled his “destiny.”
I sincerely hope investigators are digging DEEP and WIDE.
We don’t know much about the Lanzas. We do know Adam did not drive her BMW to Sandy Hook. The police have provided a tangled web of lies from the beginning. Check “getting…”‘s link below #2. above.
You know CJ that is really just conjecture. Why would his mom volunteer to work with the kindergarten kids for a year as a volunteer just to be grooming her son to commit a heinous act ? Very, very unlikely.
Its more plausable that Adam resented time his mom spent with those kids, saw them as rivals & wanted them out, but that is conjecture too. Mom is dead we can never know, father & bro hadn’t spoken to their blood relative in 2 years.
GReat family support *put it all on the mom*.
New wife & new life for dad, says alot.
Sometimes the only option left to the man is leaving. There are those women who simply won’t raise a child and won’t let a man do it either. Don’t ask me how I know!
Art I have no problem that they divorced & the man left but not seeing your blood son in 2 years is pretty pathetic. He didn t have to be raising him but no contact ? Is pretty callous. Adam had problems relating to people & with verbalization, being normal the onus was on the parent.
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There’s a short book by Jonathan Kellerman about child killers. He’s a best-selling fiction author, but he is also a child psychologist, with a specialty in criminally troubled children, rather like our own Mrs Instapundit.
He says there are some families where the kid is acting out the darker impulses of the parents. That obviously mentally unstable children are being given guns, and training, by rather passive, reserved parents. If you ask them about the wisdom of this maneuver, they deny responsibility, but there is always this half-hidden, fast smile. You can see it on slow-playback video. It’s a ‘micro-tell’ I think, is the word? It’s been a long time since I’ve read it.
I would think we would all aver that the mother was the sweetest, nicest thing, ever, and have no idea why the kid was going wild, or why she taught him to use the gun effectively.
M Scott Peck covers this in his book “People of the Lie”- parents projecting their own evil impulses onto the most vulnerable kid in their household.
I know I’ve seen it in my family- the most posh, well-educated, arrogant member beating his kids brutally enough that his co-workers intervened to save the kids. When he was asked about it- he said “look at them, wouldn’t you?” And, the social worker fell for it. The kids were, after all, droopy, angry and depressed. His wife was mentally deranged from PTSD, so anything she said, no one took seriously. It’s hard to take someone seriously when they sound like, say, waxwing, here. She was trying to get across, not Revelations, but that God would have to protect her, since man had not. He plays on “Honor your father…” Personally, I’m curious how this flies in heaven. He had earth. I don’t know that God is amused by blasphemy. He sounded like a put- upon, long-suffering, near-saintly man set about by depression, madness, bad kids…..
The kids got away, and they aren’t anything to write tribute letters about, but they are decent, respected human beings. The guy is still a bloviating, arrogant, self-centered ass.
A realtive of mine works in prison. He tells the MOST dangerous people are the ones with slight mental porblems and LOW IQ. Because they will hurt or kill you for NO real reason and they care about what happen to them to start with!!
On the subject of “being struck”, I was struck by the prevalence of low self-esteem coupled with apparently very high levels of bullying (from reading the links in your article) in the younger mass murderers. Now I am 68 years old and have for years been on the side of “it’s a right of passage”, “they need to toughen up”, “they need to learn to fight back” school of bullying solutions. I am rapidly changing my views. One wonders if in some fragile kids, incessant and truly vicious levels of bullying can lead to an actual mental imbalance that can shut down all alternatives to making the hurt stop save an equally monstrous response. They might seem a little strange, a little weird, but with no actual outward signs of violence until the unseen presence of the disease gradually and imperceptibly finally crosses that line between sanity and insanity. I don’t know how you would pretest for that, nor do I think that there is anything the State can do to totally eliminate these types of occurrences. I do think a focus on bullying might offer one avenue of help. I don’t know how you could read this kid’s story (http://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/carneal-michael.htm) and be unmoved by the life he was living. I suspect his is only an exemplar of the rest.
I’ve really seen too much to agree with much here.
First, I have discovered that the family knows that they have a problem child and will often act as enablers, and color their irresponsibility with Christian words: clearly in violation of the 3rd Commandment.
Second, if they do seek help, little is forthcoming what with JFKs closing mental hospitals in the name of liberty and what not. We grouse about our prison population, well that is where they end up now. Other places understand the nuance, we don’t.
Third, the neighbors know the freaks, and they are shamed to silence from actions by society and the family, so often live in silent fear, hoping the system will catch the person before he gets them.
Here is the start: if you see it say it. Put some paper out there make your beliefs clear. Parents’ protection is just signing death warrants for others.
These shooters are the exact opposite of your average criminal in many ways, not just this one. In fact, if I had to profile a mass-murderer, he would not only be from an intact home, he’d also be of above-average intelligence & socioeconomic status, and white. Those attributes all tend to cluster together.
Quite frankly, I think these kids are bullied from an early age (for either their intelligence, weirdness or both) and immersed in violent video games, which act as their retreat from the real world. When they have a schizophrenic break, they act out the revenge fantasy they’ve imagined for years. In the past, I think this kind of person would have just killed themselves, but now it seems at least a few want to take someone else with them.
I don’t have the URL but someone recently showed that a number of the mass murderers were on psychiatric drugs, and wondered why that wasn’t better looked into. Perhaps that area would be a productive one for the author to investigate.
As a former school nurse, I can say that you can begin to see the path some of these kids will take early on. There are a lot of issues, of course, but I think that we are living in a society that has abandoned God and His principles for living. Everyone then begins to see normal as their own beliefs and the more they isolate themselves from the rest of society, that would otherwise be a check to that, you see deterioration. Enter the games and other non-relationsl activities that many of these young men play at and it is not difficult to see that society becomes more foreign to these individuals.
Virtue was once instilled in children at home and the places they worshipped. It has become popular to raise kids according to the latest pop culture trends now, instead of disciplining with love and firmness of commitment to the child’s real well being. Many well-meaning parents give their kids way too much license at an early age, then cannot rein in the child later on.
I’m not encouraged by what I see in our society, either. We are further eroding from virtuous principles. We love the wrong things, promote and support the very things that are tearing us down as a culture. No one wants to censure the popular but detestable things in society, only religious expression and any mention of God. We must change the culture to become more virtuous before we will begin to have any control over the consequences that we are seeing now.
There’s a lot to consider in this piece, but I want to set it aside and add this little story about my own experience. I was trained as a Psyciatric Aide when I was seventeen years old, I managed wards of 65 men and less and gave oral and injectable medications, and I settled the frequent, sometimes constant, physical attacks on me and my co-workers as best I and we could to maintain order with the flesh and blood emplements we had at hand. Then I went to college and then became a psychotherapist. Even when I was seventeen years old, I and my (also equally unacademically-trained) fellow Aides could spot these screwballs who wanted to kill. County Judges could spot them too and sent them to hospitals for observation. No one was released until he or she was safe to release. The signs of mental illness and danger were and still are easy to see and diagnose.
In 1963 and 1964 Democrats began to insist that these nuts be released from hospitals, and soon they were and were endowed with special rights. Up to that time an occasional crazy would attack and kill one or two people. He or she went to a hospital for a very long time, and did not leave it. Then under John Kennedy the leftists nuts prevailed and hospitals were closed. Not long after that murderous attacks on numbers of people began. (You can look it up!)
The problem is not psychiatry or psychologists or psycholtherapists or counselors or school advisors. The problem is laws sponsored by Democrats. America’s biggest problem. Until America dissolves, it’s biggest problem will always be Democrats.
How true ! The democrats (& we used to be ones, I voted for Bubba (only once though, then I woke up) have socially diminished this country. They have indemnified everybody from every wrong decision they make in their lives & we (tax payers) pick up the tab. Babies out of wedlock, go for it !!! Paroled though a murderer, everyone deserves a second chance! (so what if its a second chance for murder) Contraceptives, gotta get the population under control, hey
make it free !!!! Missed your pill? hey not to worry show up & well suction that little inconvenience right out of there.
Should you eat healthy ? Oh gosh I ll have to buy all those salad ingredients & mix em, & man roast a whole chicken ? Let me use mt EBT card at taco bell, Popeyes. Cooking is such a drag, takes away from my social media time ! Yeah I gotta smart phone gotta keep up doncha know!
Church ? Oh those museums where everybody is soooo judgemental!
You’re forgetting our most famous mass-murderers—Barack Obama and Eric Holder (felony murder x 300+ “we’re working on it under the radar”). I don’t know much about MyPeeps’ background but Bathhouse Barry clearly was not the product of a normal family.