Winning the Battle Against Al-Qaeda, Losing the War Against Jihad
It’s in this context that the Obama administration audaciously evokes the word “victory,” simply because yet another jihadist has been killed.
This, of course, is to be expected, considering the administration, which has a tendency to censor words — and thus knowledge — concerning the nature of the threat, just released a much vaunted policy paper on countering terrorism that never once uses the word “Islam(ism)” or “radical Islam,” while myopically fixating on al-Qaeda, one of countless jihadist organizations that seek to subjugate the West.
Despite its narrow approach, the administration itself has inadvertently conceded to the existential nature of the threat, as it has begun to acknowledge that lone wolf terrorists — jihadists who have no connection to al-Qaeda other than that they share the same worldview — are a greater threat.
As Attorney General Eric Holder put it, “the threat has changed … to worrying about people in the United States, American citizens — raised here, born here, and who for whatever reason, have decided that they are going to become radicalized and take up arms against the nation in which they were born.”
Note how Holder ignores the most important factor to understanding and ultimately defeating jihadists — their motivation — by dismissing it as “whatever reason.” Even so, the administration’s acknowledgement of the lone wolf jihad proves one thing: it is doctrinal ideologies floating among Muslims around the world — not just the caves of al-Qaeda — that create terror threats.
So when counterterrorism chief John Brennan says, “Taking him out of commission is huge. There’s not another bin Laden out there. I don’t know if there’s another Atiyah Abd al-Rahman out there” — he can rest assured that while those two are gone, countless are the no-names out to emulate them, in a myriad of ways.
To conclude, by all means, target and kill terrorists, singly and collectively, and rejoice over it; but keep in mind that even if al-Qaeda were expunged from existence, while that would be a battle well won, it would not be the end of the war, which has been prosecuted in various forms and frequencies for fourteen centuries, and will not end with the elimination of this or that individual or organization.
Raymond,
After BL was nuked the MSM proudly announced that ‘intelligence’ gathered from beneath BL’s compound would fill a library; the ‘intelligence’ was definitely there, and was definitely gathered. The ‘intelligence’ will enable anyone with the will; to take out terrorists cells all around the world; have forward information about plans all around the world and so on. Whether this administration will make an effort is still unknown, but I would dare say that the ‘intelligence’ is being managed in line with the campaign for re-election of the current POTUS. How is ‘gunwalker’ any different?
The need to “manage” the intelligence is obvious … this administration has followers of Allah inside the WH and we dare not upset them. We can no longer afford to have Obama as POTUS; our national security is at stake while he and his administration play games with very very dangerous enemies. We are being protected; but not by Obama.
Just for starters, Obama supports the agenda of Islamic expansionism EVERY CHANCE HE GETS. And yes, the rest of the Muslim world outside the White House does consider him a Muslim, whether anybody here likes to admit it or not. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim.
But I can’t put all the blame on Obama. Both parties have been compromised by Muslim Brotherhood moles.
It is not the absurdly named ‘War On Terror’.
It is not the ‘War On Jihad”.
It is not just in the United States but rages in the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bali, Australia, India, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, across north Africa, Uganda, Somalia, the Sudan, Nigeria, Tanzania, Kenya, Morocco, Spain, the U.K., France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Argentina, Venezuela.
It is Islam against the Hindu, the Sikh, the Jew, the Catholic, the Protestant, the Baha’i, the Ahmadiyya, the Buddhist, the Copt, the Chaldean, the Zoroastrian, the atheist, the pagan, the woman, the homosexual.
It is nothing less than:
The ISLAMIC WORLD WAR.
Inspired by Alllah, mandated by Muhammed, commanded in the Koran, enshrined in the Sharia. It is dar al-Islam against dar al-Harb in a civilizational conflict for global dominion.
The ISLAMIC WORLD WAR. That’s what it is.
~ The Infidel Alliance
Not sure why this didn’t post before.
True enough who the war is against. However I would include Muslims as another group that the Islam War is fighting. In the consulates bombings in Africa a vast majority of the victims were Muslim. There was a not small number of Muslims in the Twin Towers. And in Afghanistan, Iraq and throughout the Muslim world it is common practice to kill their own intentionally or as collateral damage.
Infidel I am curious about your comments as to how this plays in the Muslim world. Is it OK with everyone that their own people are being killed by their ow? I’d bet some shekels that there have been more Muslims killed by Muslims than by the West in this war.
The West had the chance to end Mohammedanism once and for all in 1918, when the Ottoman Empire was defeated in WW I. The trouble was that England, although in fact already dead, still retained the leadership of the European world. The Brit Foriegn Office was swarming with ponces and/or gone-native Arabists. They gave Turkey a pass and contented themselves with dividing up the empire among the victors. Intelligent, Christian statesmen would have begun to eradicate Mohammed’s demented enshrinement of 7th Century Arab ‘culture’ for something more suited even to the 17th Century, not stone-age Arab idiocy. Today, the secular West has no chance of defeating Mohammedanism, because you can’t beat something with nothing. Stalin found this out when nobody answered the call of Communism as the Wehrmacht invaded. But the head of the Russian Orthodox Church got on the radio and called for a Great Patriotic War, and that worked. It only worked because large numbers of peasants and workers still had the religion of their fathers in their hearts. Anybody wanna bet that that is true among the majority of young Americans?
Larsky is correct. Muslim fanatics have killed far more fellow Muslims than they have “infidels.” Mainly because for most of them fellow Muslims are within reach while infidels are not.
Which offers an insight into the true inspiration behind their jihadic behavior — these are the kinds of people who would shoot a man in Riyadh, just to watch him die.
Here is what we are at war with.
Wanted by the FBI: American traitor Jude Kenan Muhammad linked to 9-11 anniversary plot. Read it and pass it along!
Thank you for pointing this out, because the significance of the latest Islamic terrorist named MUHAMMED can not be overlooked.
In the 7th century, a supposed ‘holy prophet’ named MUHAMMED founded a terror cult called ISLAM, and introduced a theology of violence called JIHAD that triggered a 1,400 year ISLAMIC WORLD WAR.
Looking back at just the last few years, we note a disturbing but undeniable trend:
1) MOHAMMED Atta, 9/11 airline Jihadist
2) Abdulhakim Mujahid MUHAMMED, Little Rock recruiting center assasin
3) MOHAMMED Reza Taheri-azar, UNC SUV Jihadist
4) MOHAMMED Ajmal Amir Kasab, Mumbai Jihadist
5) Husayn MUHAMMED al-Umari, Pan Am Flight 830 bomber
6) Fahd MOHAMMED Ahmed al-Quso, USS Cole bomber
7) Khalid Sheikh MOHAMMED, beheader of Daniel Pearl
8 )MOHAMMED Sidique Khan, London Tube suicide Jihadist
9) Ramzi MOHAMMED, convicted London Tube Jihadist
10) Whabi MOHAMMED, London Tube ‘5th’ bomber
11) Fazul Abdullah MOHAMMED, Tanzanian embassy bomber
12) MAHMOUD Ahmadinejad, despotic Shia leader of Islamic Republic of Iran
13) MOHAMMED Bouyeri, savage Islamist killer of Theo Van Gogh
14) MOHAMMED Ali Hamadei, airline hijacker
15) MOHAMMED Safady, Munich Olympics terrorist
16) AHMAD Marrouf al-Assadi, Achille Lauro hijacker
17) MEHMET Ali Ağca, Islamist who attempted to assasinate Pope John Paul
18) MOHAMMED Atif Siddique, Scottish terrorist conspiritor
19) Kafeel AHMED, Glasgow Airport bomber
20) Abdulla AHMED, ‘Liquid’ bomber
21) John Allen MUHAMMED, mass murdering D.C. sniper
23) MOHAMMED Haydar Zammar, al-Qaeda recruiter who assembled the Hamburg cell
24) Jaish-e-MOHAMMED, Pakistani jihadist terror organization
25) Mullah MOHAMMED Omar, Taliban terrorist leader
26) Maulana Sufi MOHAMMED, Pakistani jihadist who killed 11 police officers
27) MOHAMMED Meraj Khan, arrested for working under a false name at Koodankulam Nuclear Power Project
28) Arif MOHAMED Saeed MOHAMED Al-Ali, arrested for human trafficking offenses
29) MOHAMED Ali MOHAMED, arrested in Tanzania for the July 2010 bombings that killed 76 people
30) MOHAMMED Wali Zazi, on trial in Brooklyn federal court for obstruction of justice and lying to investigators to cover up his son’s foiled New York Jihad attack.
31) MOHAMMED Mamdouh and AHMED Serhani, arrested in terrorist plot against NYC Synagogue
32) Omer Abdi MOHAMED, admitted one count of conspiracy to murder, kidnap and maim others in a foreign country.
And, of consequence, Osama bin Laden’s full name is Osama bin MOHAMMED bin Awad bin Laden.
Mohammed…Muhammed…Mahmoud…Mehmet…Ahmed…and on and on and on….all namesakes of Islam’s ‘holy prophet’, all committed to violence and intolerance in the tradition of Muhammed and in the name of Islam.
This has to be either:
1) the greatest Las Vegas odds defying ‘Ripley’s Believe It Or Not’ coincidence in the history of oddsmaking, or
2) undeniable proof that the founder and ‘holy prophet’ of Islam, Muhammed, was actually an evil, murdering, barbarian Islamic terrorist role model for other evil, murdering, barbarian Islamic terrorists.
Is there a similar list of terrorists named Jesus or Buddha? Think about that.
~ The Infidel Alliance
And Mustafa! That was another name for their false prophet.
9/11 was not a ‘Terrorist Attack’.
9/11 was an Islamic blitzkrieg targeting the free worlds most important economic, military and political centers.
9/11 was the boldest strike in the ISLAMIC WORLD WAR.
9/11 almost succeeded.
To defeat the enemy in the ISLAMIC WORLD WAR, we must not defeat the Jihadi, but destroy the ideology that motivates them.
That ideology is the militant, supremacist, ruthless, apartheid, sexist genocidal ideology of the most vile man in the pantheon of human history, Muhammed. That ideology is ISLAM.
ISLAMO DELENDE EST!
~ The Infidel Alliance
The powers-that-be are trying to stop us from putting a name to our enemies.
Was THIS the first of the planned 9-11 anniversary attacks?
It sure looks like it to me.
What a surprise….this Islamic killers name is
MOHAMED H. Dawod
What are the odds of that?
~ The Infidel Alliance
And how do you suggest we defeat this ideology? I’d like to read some practical ideas.
Dear ‘Pnina’,
1) Educate – yourself and others about the true teachings Muhammed and Islam.
2) Be courageous
3) Abandon political correctness
4) Tell the truth
5) Challenge Muslims to defend their evil prince, Muhammed
6) Demand from our politicians an end to Islamic immigration
7) Pursue legal warfare against imams and their mosques under the RICO statute
8) Be tenacious
9) Repeat #1 – 8
~ The Infidel Alliance
I would add:
8. Support those voices who do speak the truth about Islam, (Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Brigitte Gabrielle, Pam Geller, Mark Steyn, Robert Spencer, and yes Dr. Zudi Jasser) …. anyone who is brave enough to stand up to these International Islamist thugs.
and
3. (Abandoning Political Correctness – expanded upon) These Islamist Barbarians must be humiliated on a world wide stage. They so richly deserve it and only our elected leaders are in a position to do this effectively…. so we must get the current administration out of the White House. Many lives depend on it. Islam is not deserving of respect and everyone should be discouraged from becoming a Muslim.
Dear ‘wayne’,
Good points.
The most potent weapon we have is the truth, and the thing all Muslims fear the most is the truth about their barbarian prince, Muhammed.
Muslims must be continually asked why they uphold as their moral standard bearer such a depraved, sadistic, perverted, violent criminal as Muhammed. Unlike Jesus or the Guatama Buddha, Muhammed did nothing to raise the bar of human morality and spirituality….unless you use the bar of Adolph Hitler and Charles Manson as your standard.
Why revere a sadistic torturer? A serial rapist? A human slaver? A slave trafficker? A perverted child rapist? A looting, stealing thief? A perfidious liar? A mass decapitator? A sex trafficker? A mutilating hand amputator? A genocidal mass murderer? A violator of EVERY ONE of the 10 commandments? A self proclaimed terrorist? A grand mal narcissist consumed by unquenchable sexual lust, material greed and martial bloodlust?
This is the evil criminal that is Muhammed…and it is all recorded factually I black & white, by Muslims, in the Islamic ‘holy’ books. Is this what informs the Islamic consciousness and the Islamic conscience as ‘holy’?
This is what we must do…expose Muslims to the truth about Muhammed and challenge them to defend the indefensible.
~ The Infidel Alliance
P.S. – we also MUST start drilling domestic oil…pressure your politician!
“But keep in mind that even if al-Qaeda were expunged from existence, while that would be a battle well won, it would not be the end of the war, which has been prosecuted in various forms and frequencies for fourteen centuries, and will not end with the elimination of this or that individual or organization.”
Radical Islamists and jihadists HAVE been around for centuries. The only reason why they really haven’t been a major problem for us is because we had Muslim and arab dictators in the Middle East who were friendly to the United States and who hated these Islamic radicals as much as we did. We had no problems with al Qaeda in Egypt primarily because Mubarak led his own personal war against them. He knew that if the radicals took over, he was finished. So he was our main man in Egypt and we sold him out. Now where are we? The Muslim Brotherhood is about to take over Egypt, the first major terrorist attack against Israel from Egyptian soil has already taken place, and just yesterday the Israeli embassy in Cairo was attacked by a radical Isalmic mob. So are the consequences for throwing our friend Mubarak under the bus, right Mr. President?
But our problems against radical Islam really took off when Jimmy Carter sold out the Shah of Iran. Once he was overthrown, the mullahs took over in Iran and we all saw how well that turned out. And the first major attack against this country from the Iranian supported Hezbollah was in Lebanon where over 200 Marnies were killed in a suicide bomb attack. Shortly after that, we also lost our embassy in Lebanon to a suicide bomber as well.
The Jihadists aren’t dumb, either. They find failed states like Afghanistan and Somalia where they can really do anything they want and plot further attacks against the west. Since there is no arab or Muslim dictator to sit on these people, they do pretty much anything they want to, which is think up new and creative ways to kill westerners.
So, by getting rid of arab or Muslim dictators that are friendly to the United States, and by having several failed nation states act as safe havens for jihadists, you have the perfect conditions for Muslim radicals to have their long-dreamed of base of operations for spreading their sick hatred around the world. And what is Obama doing it? Why he’s encouraging it, of course. The “Arab Spring” will turn out to be one of the worst disasters ever to plague the western world, as the civil war in Libya is about to show very plainly. Radical Islamists now sit poised to take over most of North Africa and the west isn’t doing a thing to stop it. In fact, the radical Islamists are taking advantage of our stupidity. The Libyan radicals got us to help them overthrow Gaddafi, and now they’re going to throw the West and NATO out of their country as well. So much for being repaid for our help.
Not only is the War on Terror going to continue, but because of our silly foreign policy, it’s going to get much, much, worse.
There are three other complicating factors.
The first is the collapse of ME economies, from Turkey on down, that is reducing the degree of social order to lower levels. This means fragmented societies, internal conflict, uprisings, rebellion, an increeasing reliance on tribe, clan and family (i.e., corruption), reduced capacity for planning, lack of spare resources, etc. The ME is simply disintegrating.
The second is that “quantative easing”, i.e., “controlled” inflation, is likely to escape its handler’s reins and rapidly expand into an era of hyperinflation. If this happens, and BHO latest “job creation” endeavor only adds to the risk, then the rapid devaluation of the American dollar will have world-wide implications that as yet are not known.
Then add the spread of nuclear weapons to this mix.
Well said, Raymond. It’s time to go after the ideology and stop playing whack-a-mole with the jihadist group du jour.
Ditto. We can’t fight the enemy we refuse to define and pretend doesn’t exist.
The key to solving any problem is asking the right question. Simple, but not easy, and we have leaders who refuse to do that one crucial thing.
Thank you, sir, for enlightening us, for using nearly two pages to tell us that the wheel is round. What a fantastic revelation. Now that we know, what brilliant suggestions would you have for us? Doesn’t Pajamas Media have editors? It might help.
No edit necessary Andy. Given the election of the son of a Muslim as POTUS seven short years after 9/11, the majority of Americans do need to be reminded that the wheel is round.
Andy, the American voters just elected a President who hates them, or at least their white middle class. Do you think they and their leaders are going to have a clue about an anti-Western culture? We are swimming in a sea of oikophobia. As an example, an editorial in the New York Times recently promoted the practice of Sharia law in the USA.
Congratulations to Mr. Ibrahim for an excellent article.
Killing al-Zawahiri will make a big difference, see no one really knows which one of the two banana’s was the brains, clearly Bin Laden yet the MO lives on via the Sinai operation. So it was al-Zawahiri that planned 9/11.
It was only in 2005 that it was clear that it was Iran that was involved, which is why the US got bogged down in Iraq. No WMD’s, the Iranian Qum site.
For years after 9/11 it was not know if it was a one off, or there would be more attacks or if they wanted a global intifada. We rose up militia globally to counter it, such networks take years to establish we did not have time, so we went to motorcycle clubs, they are in all countries, structured like the military, violent, well armed and they will stand down when it is over.
That way we could by-pass the security services of the host countries and the US President would have control. Europe was the biggest concern. I still believe Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri want to set off a global intifada, as a by-product of 9/11.
The way we figure it every soldier and marine is your brother, each member of your club is your brother, each member of another club that was a soldier or marines is also your brother and thus his brothers are also your brothers. So that is a lot of brothers. At least in relation to a global intifada.
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/09/hells-angels-fight-back-against-muslim-immigrant-jihad-gangs/#comment-6566
http://mosquewatch.blogspot.com/2008/09/denmark-hells-angels-will-fight-against.html
We avoided the right wing groups because you end up with nutcases that won’t stand down like that clown in Norway.
Qaddafi gave up his program, Saddam it was false intelligence, but it is clear that to protect oneself we need to remove nuclear weapons. If Saddam had let the IAEA in and come clean the Iranian barium meals would have been worthless.
But we got out of Iraq and delayed the Iranian program until another window was open to strike in 2012.
It was all damn complex.
I’m with General Pershing on how to treat with these people. (Read up on John Pershing in the Phillipine Insurrection)
Our overall strategy is flawed, in this war. One of the reasons this interminable waw with Islam has often become a quiet one is because the West has, on mant occasions, instilled such fear into the then primary muslim actor that is gave them pause and then it gave them the wisdom to stay home and murder their own for a century or two. We are spending a lot of energy, lives, and treasure on the puppets in this passion play, while we should be dealing with the real, covert enemies.
The Wahabi sect is a Saudi Arabian apparatus, sanctioned and funded by the Saudi Government. Much of the incitement, recruitment and material support for the bloody end of the islamic spear comes from this sect (and therefore the Saudis). So far, the Saudis have maintained what they consider plausible deniability for the crimes they support and fund. We should strip that illusion from them.
Make the muslim governments responsible for the actions of their partisans. Suadi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, PLO, shadow goverenment like Hamas and Hezbolla.
Convince them that it is in the interests of their own survival to arrest, imprison, or kill the terrorist elements of their religion. For our part, make suitable demonstrations toward the responsible governments to aid in convincing islam that it should one again crawl back under its rock for a century or two. What Islam does while under that rock is of no interest to me.
Really, we have bigger fish to fry. The Chinese are up next and the Russians would really like to be back in the big league batter’s box.
The ISLAMIC WORLD WAR must be fought against, as history shows this is the only way to temporarily halt the advance of the worlds most dangerously successful totalitarian creed. if we don’t fight, they will win.
But, again, the most important key to real victory is understanding the ideology that drives Islam, and destroying the ideology.
We must first start by repeatedly exposing the truth about Muhammed, as not some kind of ‘holy man, but rather a vile, sadistic sociopath, consumed by unquenchable sexual lust, asymptotic material greed, and unending martial bloodlust. muhammedis a man who by every right should be reviled, not revered, and by any rational standard should have been incarcerated, not venerated.
We must understand that despite the airliner attacks in New York, the decapitations in Thailand, the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan, the missile attacks in Israel, and the train bombings in Spain, it is not the ‘infidel’ who suffers the most from Muhammeds repulsive creed.
No, the biggest victims of Islam are Muslims themselves, denied the freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom of association, but most importantly, the freedom to love. Muslims must hate because their moral beacon and role model, Muhammed, was consumed with hate.
We must understand that the ideological destruction of Islam is the greatest human rights imperative in the history of humanity. Never before has a single ideology had such a global impact, terrorizing 5 billion non-Muslims and enslaving 1.2 billion Muslims.
The ideological destruction of Islam must be seen for what it really is, a truth movement, a liberation movement to free the ‘infidel’ world from islamic terror, and a liberation movement for a slave society of one fifth of humanity.
THE IDEOLOGICAL DESTRUCTION OF ISLAM = LIBERATION.
it’s the only way we can truly win.
~ The Infidel Alliance
100%
If you liked Raymond Ibrahim’s brilliant analysis in this article, I encourage everyone to own and read Mr. Ibrahim’s ‘THE AL-QAEDA READER’.
This work, the second of Islam’s ‘Mein Kampfs’ (the Koran being the first), should be read by every freedom loving person. It is a shocking eye opener.
Than you Mr. Ibrahim for this most important contribution in the fight against the ISLAMIC WORLD WAR.
~The Infidel Alliance
While I agree that Mr. Ibrahim’s work is excellent and does a great deal to illuminate the struggle with Islam in which we find ourselves, comparing The Al-Qaeda Reader to Mein Kampf is particularly inappropriate.
If Mr. Ibrahim were a Muslim leader and his book was positive about how wonderful Islam was and how it would improve the world, it would make a lot of sense to compare it to Mein Kampf. After all, Hitler was the leader of the Nazis and his book was meant to share and encourage Nazi ideology with his followers and those who might become his followers.
Mr. Ibrahim, on the other hand, is a Coptic Christian, not a Muslim and is doing the exact opposite of saying positive things about Islam: he is warning of the danger of Islam.
My reference to the ‘Al-Qaeda Reader’ as the second of Islam’s ‘Mein Kamp’s’ is accurate in the sense that both the Koran and the ‘Al-Qaeda Reader’ lay out the plan, the vision, the ‘moral’ arguement to justify the ISLAMIC WORLD WAR.
Hitler telegraphed his NAZI totalitarian ambitions in his vile book.
Muhammed telegraphed his Islamic totalitarian vision in his vile book, the Koran.
Osama bin-Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri telegraphed their Islamic totalitarian vision in their writings, which are basically a rehash of Muhammeds Koran.
~ The Infidel Alliance
Bravo! For your sentence I’m pasting here for all to read again….
…”Make the muslim governments responsible for the actions of their partisans. Suadi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, PLO, shadow goverenment like Hamas and Hezbolla.”
Also, instead of Obama’s “outreach” efforts towards these Muslim/Islamist murderers, we are owed a most humble and takiyya-free “outreach” from these so-called “moderate” Muslims/Islamists. Additionally, they must be required to show what exactly they are doing to fight their co-religionists……otherwise they will always remain hypocrites with no credibility….ever.
These Muslims/Islamists resident here in our America have only themselves to blame for the lingering hostility from the rest of us.
Muslims/Islamists resident here in America have a huge burden of lack of credibility.
What are they/we going to do. Why gosh we are going to build a Muslim shrine at ground zero complete with call to prayer towers overlooking the still large hole in the ground where the twin towers stood a long time ago.
That and there is word from the elties and on the streeet that we will probably follow the Brits and allow Sharia courts to handle our Muslim citizens legal issues (there are 86 Sharia courts in the UK as this is written).
And lastly we are going to scold our citizens about being Islamaphobs and hatemongers and warmongers and teach our children in our schools about diversity and caring and sharing with other cultures and do our utmost to downplay what happened on September 11th, 2001 as a a darned bad incident that wouldn’t have happened if the West had been nicer to the Muslims.
This outreach ought to tell them who their dealing with, by golly.
To put your words in plain English, we are committing cultural and civilizational suicide with our eyes wide open.
”Make the muslim governments responsible for the actions of their partisans. Suadi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, PLO, shadow goverenment like Hamas and Hezbolla.”
There’s a rather large problem with that approach: it is not at all certain which of these governments actually support each terrorist group and what control these governments actually have over the terrorists. For example, by most accounts, Bin Laden loathed the Saudi government more than almost any other, perhaps even the American one, for being sell-outs to the West. Apparently, he would have been in grave danger from the Saudi regime had he dared to stick his head into Saudi Arabia, his country of birth. Would you really want to bomb Saudi Arabia, whether with conventional or nuclear weapons, under those circumstances? I’m assuming that’s what we mean when we talk about holding them responsible.
I know that there have been a number of reports and allegations about various Muslim regimes, including the Saudis, funding Hizbollah, Hamas, and various other terrorist groups but do we really have enough incontrovertible evidence to justify a military attack on an erstwhile ally over actions that may not have been approved at the highest levels? In other words, let’s say that a specific group DID get “saudi money”, for example, to fund the activities of a terrorist group. That doesn’t mean that the King himself knew of the activity actually understaken by the terrorists or approve it. Perhaps an eager member of the Saudi intelligence service threw a little money at a terrorist group without getting permission first? Would that justify a major attack that might kill hundreds or thousands of innocents?
A related aspect of such a policy is that it generally goes by the name of “collective punishment”. The Nazis, for one example, used to practice it extensively. If a German soldier in France were killed or a train knocked out by partisans, the Nazis would order the execution of 50 or 100 people, all or most of whom were almost certainly NOT the perpetrators of the murder or sabotage. This was seen as massively unjust by the French and, if I am not mistaken, the whole idea of collective punishment was discarded as reprehensible after WW II.
I have no problem with specific individuals being held accountable when clear and compelling evidence shows their guilt but I have a problem with an approach that proposes to commit violence against people who may well have had nothing to do with the bad act that is arousing our anger.
My comment referred to Dubya’s #7.
The rational reality is-
Muslim extremists have been responsible for 1/50th of 1 percent of the homicides committed in the United States since 9/11.
We are wasting vast amounts of money on insignificant probability events.
In the US in the last 10 years about 5 million Americans have died painful and premature horrible deaths from smoking related illnesses—–5 million
Your comment #12 is a red herring.
When the Islamic infiltration of the U.S. is complete, and you have a bunch of “compassionate imams” in control of the U.S. government, perhaps you could write a letter or make a phone call to someone in control and demand that they do something about the millions of smoking-related deaths.
Your eyes and mind are veiled as to the nature of the threat we face.
There is a big difference, those that died as a result of their own personal choices (smoking or any use of tobacco)are very much unlike those that were MURDERED by those that hate you just because you are not one of THEM!
ibrahim is worried he is loosing audience as Obama is putting al qaida out off its misery.. not good for islamophoby business i reckon..
Yes, darling, I’m sure that’s all there is to it. Nothing to worry about. Super Obama is getting all the Al-Qaida bad guys for us, and people like Raymond Ibrahim are just evil dudes you must vever listen to. And now just go back to watching your morning loonytoons show, you don’t want to miss your favorite one.
Well, just hold your horses….It appears Obama and NATO may be putting Al Qaeda or other terrorists back in action, as news reports indicate they have stolen shoulder launched anti-aircraft missiles from the Libyan rebels (Or, the rebels gave them to them…or, the rebels are AlQaeda…who the hell knows? Certainly not Obama.)
From the AP: “Already, the prices of the shoulder-launched missiles called MANPADs have fallen on the regional black market, the officials say, suggesting some of Gadhafi’s stores are already being sold”
That might not work out so well… terrorists who obsess about bringing down planeloads of infidels… shoulder launched missiles… getting a bad mental image about this.
Maybe somebody should have asked who the Libyan rebels were before backing them with NATO airstrikes and special forces on the ground. (Oh, and that Muslim Brotherhood thing in Egypt…not looking so good.)
Muslims that condemn attacks on the West are very lonely people and there has not been any large group of Muslims that has condemned the behavior of these two legged animals. There are good Muslims, Sufis come to mind, and then there are savage animals with the Wahhabis at the top of the list. If I were to guess I would say that most Muslims are afraid to stand up to the savages among them. Personally I think every Muslim terrorist that is killed should be sprinkled with pig fat, but that is just me.
We must think about what else Obama can do to advance Islam in this country in the 14 months that he will be in office. He knows he’s going to get booted out. We must be vigilant. I believe his prime raison d’etre is the advancing of Islam in the world and of course the US in particular. Pay attention, folks.
War on terror, GWOT, OEF, OIF, acronyms ad infinatum.. We have many of our own politicians refusing to call islamic terrorists islamic terrorists. What a joke for leadership.
The jihadist movement is a combination of social and religeous forces at work in the islamic world. As “Dubya” aptly pointed out above, the wahabi sect in Saudi is a center of gravity for the jihadist movement. So too is Iran. This is evidenced in Hamas, Hezbollah etc..
What America needs to do is shift from fighting a war centered on asymetric threats from small cells and begin the serious task of symetrically confronting the root causes. This however, takes something our current administration lacks.
The Saudi monarchy has a very fragile co-existence with the wahabi sect. The monarchy has in effect paid off the whahabi’s with tolerance and lip service while in return, the wahabi’s won’t incite open rebellion against the monarchy. The reality is that the monarchy would love to see the wahabi’s cut down to size but to do so would invite their own destruction. What to do…
The Iranians would love to throw out their current fundamentalist government but are kept firmly in line by their oppressors. In the meantime, their government is destabilizing Iraq (understatement), providing financial, material and logistical support to Hamas, Hezbollah, and many other groups.
Both of these countries need to be invaded, liberated and given over to their people. Anything short of this will only allow them to continue building their asymetric guerilla style of warfare against the west. It’s expensive to fight this type of war. It’s inefficient. Better to decisively strike at the core bases than to continue piecemeal as we have. That we’ve let this jihadist movement progress to the point it has is more of an indictment on our own leadership than it is a success of islamic fundamentalist ideology.
“It’s the ISLAM, stupid”
*bangs head against keyboard*
The futility of offering our necks to those who would readily behead us is steadily, ploddingly, terrifyingly approaching the razor’s edge of the well-honed ax blade.
Dhimmitude? No effing way. Shove your ‘Dhimmitude’ up your collective, hairy bummed, unibrow, curry breathing, inbred, mentally challenged, eternally fugly faced arses. There is no room in America for ISLAM. GTFO!
Excellent column.
I would add another point: every liberal and leftist effort to ignore the true size of the problem (i.e. the 1,400 years long war of islam against the whole world)will only cause more sufferings and horrors, not only because the West is not fighting in the right way, but because the islamic barbarians will cause, with their atrocities, a sudden and brutal response from the Western populace. It can take a long time to brew, but it will come.
The islamic imperialists can go on for decades infiltrating and murdering, but the West has a long story of being able to defend itself, and it will. And it could get really ugly.
The appeasers of today are brewing the massacres of tomorrow.
The appeasers of today are brewing the massacres of tomorrow.
You are so right!
In the 10 years since morons flew airplanes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and were heroically prevented from inflicting additional carnage with Flight 93, I’ve become increasingly frustrated and agitated with my country’s response.
Personally knowing little to nothing about Islam, in the weeks following that fateful day, I listened to the President of the United States go on and on about “the religion of peace.”
I now know that that statement was just about the dumbest utterance known to humankind.
About one week after September 11, 2001, the eventual future president, Barack Obama, gave a long speech/interview in which he indicated it was incumbent upon western cultures to “fix” what is wrong in the Middle East. I guess that would be things like rampant poverty, a lack of opportunity and the fact that many in the Saudi monarchy and others act like complete a$$holes.
The second dumbest statement known to humankind.
Since then, in government and out, in the press and out, I have listened to successive dumb statement piled on successive dumb statement.
Those who have written and repeatedly, emphatically and unequivocally stated that their objective is to destroy western civilization and culture and establish worldwide domination under Islam and Shari’ah could not be happier that their targets are so pathetic.
Allah (SWT) must be one swell guy for paving the way.
We are losing the war because our leaders have no intention of winning.
Obama, NYC officials and New York Mayor Bloomberg are excessively eager to honor Islam with a victory mosque at Ground Zero. They DON’T care that they are sending a very dangerous message to every Muslim terrorist organization on earth that if they carry out a huge attack on America, America will honor Islam with a victory mosque at the place where they mass slaughtered Americans.
My heart breaks over the suffering of our 3,000. What makes it much worse is the building of a 9/11 victory mosque at sacred Ground Zero to honor Islam at the place where our cherished 3,000 were slaughtered without mercy by the followers of Islam.
We can never forget that in America and countries around the world, some Muslims celebrated 9/11. And that THOUSANDS of inhuman Palestinian Authority Muslims celebrated with great joy the murders of our 3,000. PA Muslims danced in the streets, passed out candies and fired into the air. The same people who demand a Muslim state inside tiny Israel. A Muslim terror state implant and a victory mosque at Ground Zero is the greatest betrayal of all.
Dear brothers and sisters, we will never forget you. We will continue protesting against the mosque and holding up protest signs in the street. It is the least we can do for you. We love you. Rest in eternal peace.
That victory mosque will never be built. It is not going to happen.
I even question whether there is really an intent to build it– I believe another game is being played. In any event, there will be no construction of a victory mosque overlooking Ground Zero. (Even if they have funding and are able to get all of the permits and get past all of the lawsuits with any money left, is there really a construction company in NYC that would build it?)
I agree with you Mr. Ibrahim, the war is not over by a long shot. But I do believe that cutting the head off the snake (obl) helps a lot. Osama had lots of money to keep his dream alive. It will take the people in these countries to stand up one day and say enough. I truly believe there are good, upstanding arabs in these countries that just want to live in peace. It’s time they stand up for their future.
OF course. al queda is 1 group. we can nail all of them tomorrow and nothing would happen. the problem is ISLAM..PERIOD! why are we so afraid to put blame squarely where it lies. muslims do not want our freedom overthere. their arab spring for democracy is not to have a system like us..its to install a system that is openly hostile and activly trying to destroy us and the west. the fact that ‘its not all of them’ has ZERO bearing. it wasnt all germans, or japanese, but we bombed the hell out of them didnt we? Japanese had suicide bombers too…we still won, because we did what was needed. This was is not new tactics, but old simple tactics well executed. nothing more. how can we have fought multiple countries that were as advanced as us if not more, with suicide bombers etc and win in 4-5 yrs. while fighting stone throwers and pipe bombs and box cutters for 10 yrs? HUH? lets hear the answer…i already know the answer. does anyone here? if not ill tell you. its because they are fighting a WAR, while we fight a PR campaign. let go over there nuke em to next week and get out. we need to quit confusing indecision and spinelessness with nobility!
the problem is not terrorism, or violent jihad. the terrorists are our friends. they seek to demonstrate to us just what islam is, and what a threat it represents to any civilized society. our treasonous “leaders”, on the other hand, keep assuring us that islam is the religion of peace, and we need more peaceful muslims in our country, and all we have to do is submit to ridiculous searches and everything will be ok. our “leaders” are lying. the violent jihadis are telling the truth. the problem is islam. thats muslims. mohammedans. all of them. the only reasonable response to 9-11 was the expulsion of all muslims from our nation. until we do that, we are losing. our descendants, if they allow us to have any, will spit when they say our names. they will curse the foolish generation that could have expelled their murderous muslims, but were too afraid that CAIR would call them islamophobic. shame on us for our stupidity and cowardice.
Lets remember that terror is one part of jihad, and jihad is just one part in the spread of Islam. We believe religion should spread by talking and reading. Mohammed believed his new religion should be spread by both military and political means. Islam is sometimes a religion of war and sometimes a religion pf peace.
Basically Islam is spread in a four stage process:
Stage One is the time of terror and bullying. The enemy is intimidated.
Stage Two is when the bullying starts to succeed. This is the stage we are in. People like Obama and Bloomberg start to appease. They cannot resist.
Stage Three is when the apeasers finish handing over political power to Islamic leaders. Islamic law becomes national law. We have not reached that stage.
Stage Four is when Sharial law grinds down all civilian resistance. This can take many centuries – eight centuries in Turkey’s case. See
“The Annihilation of Civilisations” at the blog called ‘political Islam’.
http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/the-annihilation-of-civilizations/
So when Mohammed said “I have been made victorious with terror.” he was talking about Stages One, Two and Three. Terror is not needed by the time we reach Stage Four. Stage Four is the time of conversions to Islam and reaching it is the ultimate goal of jihad.
We need to see that we are not only waging a war on terror or a war against jihadis. We are in a life or death struggle to save our civilisation. For our enemy jihad is not the war. Their war is against Saitan and can take eternity. If some people get in the it does not matter. Eventually all the world must submit to Islam so Allah is victorious.
Absurd? Like it or not it was Mohammed’s goal ever since he fled Mecca for Medina. He asked his new followers to swear loyalty to him and then asked them “Do you know what you have done?” They replied “Yes, we have sworn to fight against all the world.”
Why so ambitious? Google ‘sociopath’ and after a few minutes you will see why.
I am reminded of the Hydra. Hydra has multiple heads, and when you cut one off, two return in its place. Its foul breath is enough to make most keep their distance, its tracks are even deadly, and the strongest cannot face it alone.
Alqaeda is but one of many heads, but its life is not in its head. To kill Hydra it will take many battles and much cauterizing to weaken her, but still we must remember that one head is not of this world, but an enemy of it, immortal. It must be dealt with severely to be ensure the Hydra does not regenerate.
I am reminded of Churchill’s infamous warning;
“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
We have a chance of survival now, lets not waste it…