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		<title>By: energy transfer in windmill - ENERGY TYPES &#8211; ENERGY TYPES</title>
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		<dc:creator>energy transfer in windmill - ENERGY TYPES &#8211; ENERGY TYPES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Exoxiaodorp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exoxiaodorp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the uninterruptedly of May and June 2010, Cultivate entrepreneurs settle upon be skilled to submit applications for funding activities related to the start or inflate exports. Polish companies contain the time to acquire a vastly large grants to carry activities mutual to admission into overseas markets. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the uninterruptedly of May and June 2010, Cultivate entrepreneurs settle upon be skilled to submit applications for funding activities related to the start or inflate exports. Polish companies contain the time to acquire a vastly large grants to carry activities mutual to admission into overseas markets.<br />
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<p>Out of sight the Innovative Economy Operational Protocol, Quota 6.1 choice be supported:</p>
<p>- Participation in worldwide trade fairs as an exhibitor</p>
<p>- Participation in organized trade missions wide</p>
<p>- Search and passage of partners in the objective market-place</p>
<p>- Obtaining the inevitable documents representing the introduction of products / services to the selected foreign market</p>
<p>- Advising on the evolution of the concept fetish of the entrepreneur in selected transalpine markets.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.w-sklepie.internetowezakupy.com.pl" rel="nofollow">Subsidies UE</a></p>
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		<title>By: There is NO Santa Claus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/windmill-plan-offers-slim-energy-pickens/#comment-137826</link>
		<dc:creator>There is NO Santa Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carney:

&quot;So whenever you hear a politician talk about energy independence and then rattle off the usual litany of solar, wind, tidal, or even nuclear and coal, realize that that politico doesn’t know what he’s talking about.&quot;
 
Usually, the politician is engaging in deliberate obfuscation.  America doesn&#039;t have an &quot;energy problem&quot;.  America has a PETROLEUM problem.  The politicians know completely what they&#039;re talking about.  They&#039;re talking about confusing the matter so we don&#039;t focus on their OPEC trading partners and political sponsors.  
 
I think Dr. Zubrin pretty much makes that case in his book ENERGY VICTORY which you seem to have read.  
 
In this election season, I don&#039;t feel like letting our elected leaders off the hook by saying that they don&#039;t know what they&#039;re talking about.  They DO know what they&#039;re talking about.  They&#039;re talking about deflecting our concerns for gasoline and petroleum prices and obfuscating it by talking about &quot;energy&quot;.  
 
We should find out to what degree this is the case when the Open Fuels Standard Act comes to a vote in both houses of the Congress.  My congressman is already waffling about &quot;the cost of food&quot;.  As I&#039;m sure you know, that arguement is bunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carney:</p>
<p>&#8220;So whenever you hear a politician talk about energy independence and then rattle off the usual litany of solar, wind, tidal, or even nuclear and coal, realize that that politico doesn’t know what he’s talking about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Usually, the politician is engaging in deliberate obfuscation.  America doesn&#8217;t have an &#8220;energy problem&#8221;.  America has a PETROLEUM problem.  The politicians know completely what they&#8217;re talking about.  They&#8217;re talking about confusing the matter so we don&#8217;t focus on their OPEC trading partners and political sponsors.  </p>
<p>I think Dr. Zubrin pretty much makes that case in his book ENERGY VICTORY which you seem to have read.  </p>
<p>In this election season, I don&#8217;t feel like letting our elected leaders off the hook by saying that they don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re talking about.  They DO know what they&#8217;re talking about.  They&#8217;re talking about deflecting our concerns for gasoline and petroleum prices and obfuscating it by talking about &#8220;energy&#8221;.  </p>
<p>We should find out to what degree this is the case when the Open Fuels Standard Act comes to a vote in both houses of the Congress.  My congressman is already waffling about &#8220;the cost of food&#8221;.  As I&#8217;m sure you know, that arguement is bunk.</p>
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		<title>By: There is NO Santa Claus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/windmill-plan-offers-slim-energy-pickens/#comment-137813</link>
		<dc:creator>There is NO Santa Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were President of the United States, I&#039;d make Dr. Robert Zubrin my Secretary of Energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were President of the United States, I&#8217;d make Dr. Robert Zubrin my Secretary of Energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/windmill-plan-offers-slim-energy-pickens/#comment-119303</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious that you know nothing about Picken&#039;s ulterior motives, which is having the state use eminent domain and allow Picken&#039;s to lay his pipeline for water through property owner&#039;s lands. How stupid of you to think that this corporate raider has anything but the accumulation of more wealth in mind, all the while acting like this is about wind power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious that you know nothing about Picken&#8217;s ulterior motives, which is having the state use eminent domain and allow Picken&#8217;s to lay his pipeline for water through property owner&#8217;s lands. How stupid of you to think that this corporate raider has anything but the accumulation of more wealth in mind, all the while acting like this is about wind power.</p>
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		<title>By: Carney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, alcohol fuels have some trade-offs with gasoline.

On the down-side, simpler alcohols (ethanol and methanol) will give you less MPG (miles per gallon) than gasoline (you said mph instead by mistake).

However, there are OTHER alcohol fuels as well that get you very close to, as good as, or better energy content than gasoline.  (Propanol, butenol, many others).

A flex fuel car that can run on methanol (the simplest alcohol) can run ANY alcohol fuel, including the better MPG ones.

And of course there are other aspects to performance beyond mere MPG.  For one thing, there&#039;s miles per DOLLAR.  If we opened ourselves up to imported ethanol, its price would be below gasoline&#039;s with no need for a subsidy.  Methanol already sells well below gasoline&#039;s price right now.

Horsepower!  That&#039;s what most people think of when they hear &quot;performance&quot;.  And alcohol fuel is higher octane, 100, 120 even.  Gives you a LOT more pep and zoom.  Think SUPER duper premium gasoline. That&#039;s one reason why racing leagues from the Indy 500 to Formula One to midget cars use alcohol fuel, and have since the 60s.  

Another big onese is that alcohol fuels are also safer in crashes, less likely to explode.  

Of course, on-road performance isn&#039;t the only reason to favor alcohol.  

Alcohol fuels are biodegradable and break down readily in case of spills, including from underground gas station tanks, or from big tankers.  The Exxon Valdez is still killing wildlife; if it has been carrying ethanol or methanol, the problem would have been over in days.

They burn much more cleanly, making them a clean way to burn fossil fuels for transportation (remember you can make methanol from coal and natural gas).  They also are much cleaner to &quot;make&quot; - that is, grow.

Finally of course weaning us from oil would drastically help our economy (which has suffered the equivalent of a 40% income tax hike) and national security (hundreds of billions going to Iran, Saudi, Venezuela, Russia even if we don&#039;t directly buy their oil, because it&#039;s traded worldwide and wherever we buy it from helps prop up the price).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, alcohol fuels have some trade-offs with gasoline.</p>
<p>On the down-side, simpler alcohols (ethanol and methanol) will give you less MPG (miles per gallon) than gasoline (you said mph instead by mistake).</p>
<p>However, there are OTHER alcohol fuels as well that get you very close to, as good as, or better energy content than gasoline.  (Propanol, butenol, many others).</p>
<p>A flex fuel car that can run on methanol (the simplest alcohol) can run ANY alcohol fuel, including the better MPG ones.</p>
<p>And of course there are other aspects to performance beyond mere MPG.  For one thing, there&#8217;s miles per DOLLAR.  If we opened ourselves up to imported ethanol, its price would be below gasoline&#8217;s with no need for a subsidy.  Methanol already sells well below gasoline&#8217;s price right now.</p>
<p>Horsepower!  That&#8217;s what most people think of when they hear &#8220;performance&#8221;.  And alcohol fuel is higher octane, 100, 120 even.  Gives you a LOT more pep and zoom.  Think SUPER duper premium gasoline. That&#8217;s one reason why racing leagues from the Indy 500 to Formula One to midget cars use alcohol fuel, and have since the 60s.  </p>
<p>Another big onese is that alcohol fuels are also safer in crashes, less likely to explode.  </p>
<p>Of course, on-road performance isn&#8217;t the only reason to favor alcohol.  </p>
<p>Alcohol fuels are biodegradable and break down readily in case of spills, including from underground gas station tanks, or from big tankers.  The Exxon Valdez is still killing wildlife; if it has been carrying ethanol or methanol, the problem would have been over in days.</p>
<p>They burn much more cleanly, making them a clean way to burn fossil fuels for transportation (remember you can make methanol from coal and natural gas).  They also are much cleaner to &#8220;make&#8221; &#8211; that is, grow.</p>
<p>Finally of course weaning us from oil would drastically help our economy (which has suffered the equivalent of a 40% income tax hike) and national security (hundreds of billions going to Iran, Saudi, Venezuela, Russia even if we don&#8217;t directly buy their oil, because it&#8217;s traded worldwide and wherever we buy it from helps prop up the price).</p>
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		<title>By: Carney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George (in the comments above) claims: &quot;In addition, natural gas has the unique advantage that it’s LESS EXPENSIVE than gasoline while alcohol fuels are currently more expensive. &quot;

WRONG.  If we drop our tarriffs on Brazilian ethanol, the price will drop sharply.  Also, methanol is currently selling, without subsidy, for a small fraction of gasoline&#039;s price (about $1.37 a gallon, and $2.04 will get you enough methanol to take you the same distance as a gallon of gas).  Methanol is inherently going to be cheap because it can be made from sewage, garbage, unused stalks/leaves/stems/roots of plants (including the corn for ethanol), etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George (in the comments above) claims: &#8220;In addition, natural gas has the unique advantage that it’s LESS EXPENSIVE than gasoline while alcohol fuels are currently more expensive. &#8221;</p>
<p>WRONG.  If we drop our tarriffs on Brazilian ethanol, the price will drop sharply.  Also, methanol is currently selling, without subsidy, for a small fraction of gasoline&#8217;s price (about $1.37 a gallon, and $2.04 will get you enough methanol to take you the same distance as a gallon of gas).  Methanol is inherently going to be cheap because it can be made from sewage, garbage, unused stalks/leaves/stems/roots of plants (including the corn for ethanol), etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Carney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zubrin has more than just a lot on the ball, he is quite frankly brilliant.  He has made the vital point elsewhere that only 3% of our electricity comes from oil.  

So whenever you hear a politician talk about energy independence and then rattle off the usual litany of solar, wind, tidal, or even nuclear and coal, realize that that politico doesn&#039;t know what he&#039;s talking about.

Power generation is not the place to free us from foreign oil, we&#039;re pretty much there already.

The real target is transportation, where more than 90% of cars on the road are gasoline-only.

Hybrids aren&#039;t the answer, because they only reduce the rate of our growth of gasoline use, are at the highly improbably best, reduce it somewhat.  But OPEC can just cut production further to match, and keep prices up (and fueling world mischief).

Flex fuel vehicles are the ONLY serious solution.  And they have to a MANDATE.  Get over it, conservatives and libertarians.  The market would probably get us there in a few decades, but we don&#039;t have the time or the money to wait.  OPEC is a consortium of government-forced monopolies, socialist state-run firms, that are looting the productive sectors of the world.  

Refusing to break out of this straitjacket with a minimally intrusive mandate (like seatbelts) is suicidally stupid, like objecting to the feds telling Ford to make tanks instead of cars during WW2.

We can have a net wash or reduction of big government if you want by also eliminating the boondoggle of gov&#039;t hydrogen fuel cell research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zubrin has more than just a lot on the ball, he is quite frankly brilliant.  He has made the vital point elsewhere that only 3% of our electricity comes from oil.  </p>
<p>So whenever you hear a politician talk about energy independence and then rattle off the usual litany of solar, wind, tidal, or even nuclear and coal, realize that that politico doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s talking about.</p>
<p>Power generation is not the place to free us from foreign oil, we&#8217;re pretty much there already.</p>
<p>The real target is transportation, where more than 90% of cars on the road are gasoline-only.</p>
<p>Hybrids aren&#8217;t the answer, because they only reduce the rate of our growth of gasoline use, are at the highly improbably best, reduce it somewhat.  But OPEC can just cut production further to match, and keep prices up (and fueling world mischief).</p>
<p>Flex fuel vehicles are the ONLY serious solution.  And they have to a MANDATE.  Get over it, conservatives and libertarians.  The market would probably get us there in a few decades, but we don&#8217;t have the time or the money to wait.  OPEC is a consortium of government-forced monopolies, socialist state-run firms, that are looting the productive sectors of the world.  </p>
<p>Refusing to break out of this straitjacket with a minimally intrusive mandate (like seatbelts) is suicidally stupid, like objecting to the feds telling Ford to make tanks instead of cars during WW2.</p>
<p>We can have a net wash or reduction of big government if you want by also eliminating the boondoggle of gov&#8217;t hydrogen fuel cell research.</p>
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		<title>By: kabud</title>
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		<dc:creator>kabud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wind mill solution is a solution at a big loss
unless we take into account military presence of our forces around ME

The best and fastest CHANGE FOR THE BETTER  we can do is 

1.METHANOL industry for transportation fuel agent

2.coal electric stations for the time needed to build  nuclear stations for electricity in the number of hundreds

3.we should do everything possible to stop consuming oil and n-gas because more we burn it-
&lt;b&gt;we create more ADDED value to oil and natural gas reserves at our enemy disposal(OPEC, RUSSIA)&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind mill solution is a solution at a big loss<br />
unless we take into account military presence of our forces around ME</p>
<p>The best and fastest CHANGE FOR THE BETTER  we can do is </p>
<p>1.METHANOL industry for transportation fuel agent</p>
<p>2.coal electric stations for the time needed to build  nuclear stations for electricity in the number of hundreds</p>
<p>3.we should do everything possible to stop consuming oil and n-gas because more we burn it-<br />
<b>we create more ADDED value to oil and natural gas reserves at our enemy disposal(OPEC, RUSSIA)</b></p>
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		<title>By: morningstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>morningstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i need a diagram of a windmill</description>
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